Thread: PVMP - hunters vs. high ranked creeps

Originally Posted by gunnerz

That's what I meant by see my op (I feel worthless). The best I've done against a r14 is to get him down to 500 morale. He actually got the jump on me, but, in fairness, he'd already blew his evade and uruk heal. If a ranked ba has his cool-downs he can actually charge in EC, pull a few npcs and still kill me even with all my cool-downs. I don't want to rule out the fact that I might just be terrible, but I started to thread to see if everyone else is getting owned.

oh for sure its not much you can do, i made my sarcastic vid to make sure that those claiming they take out any creep wasnt using my scenario as some example of killing any class..

I find most claiming hunters own is when its the hunter is in its best possible scenario to win. which is rarely being caught melee.. so I discount that as having much to do with assessing the class as far as 1 on 1 or talking about skill.

personally i can beat a fair amount of reavers higher rank i have trouble by i do at least give a run for the money. I only have one 1v1 caught on vid ill post it later. i fnd that the best match up

wargs rank 5 and under i win most of em...or they run, as you get higher rank with either shadow or flayer I have a tough time.

I rarely encouter Wl's or Defilers solo but power becomes an issue or id have to kite em across the map.. med lower rank are np

spiders i have the hardest time with.

anyway heres the vids i started making at least to show how i play these havent been the best ones to catch on vid but its something to show for at least..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf05o-DFwK4

1st fight was a kins wargie jumped me in front of npcs had to move away at start..

2nd reaver with wl buffss 17k morale and i had blown intent and no focus pot.

3rd ###### start blew needful...

I ve since gone back and added the nimble runes at the expense of dps to make use of some kiting again..

I also feel I have plenty of room to improve... I currently find the fights fast and not much time to think about pickn the right skill always find i missed doing someting i coulda done better , but still there isnt really any room for error.

It's great to see how many people believe wholeheartedly that the hunter class is OP, can 1 shot, blah blah blah and then ignore the OP. High ranked creep v high ranked hunter. Full audacity both ways. Not ganking. That's a win situation for the creep all day every day.

Originally Posted by Bond007

It's great to see how many people believe wholeheartedly that the hunter class is OP, can 1 shot, blah blah blah and then ignore the OP. High ranked creep v high ranked hunter. Full audacity both ways. Not ganking. That's a win situation for the creep all day every day.

Where in the thread has anyone mentioned one shotting creeps? Lol

Originally Posted by Elehir

Where in the thread has anyone mentioned one shotting creeps? Lol

Right here.

Originally Posted by Gorgilh

So sure, switching faron/Aud and suffering about your mistake? Good point.

and this is MOORS material, we have the best burst dps, if they buff us due some noobs think we're so bad in 1vs1 fights, we'll be ridicolous oneshotting people from 40m, but hey! here people just wants to be OP, fair enough

Hahaha heres something funny for you guys.... Maxed my commis and went creepside to spend some on my wargie and this is the conversation going on....

[OOC]warg: 'I feel bad killing them even thoguh they are doing EVBERYTHING right, class is POS atm :/'

[OOC]reaver:i can slughter ever hunter on the server' "actually not true Ive beat him and a couple others have also...
[OOC]reaver: 'and its not that hard'
[OOC] reaver: 'and its not their fault

there was some more but thats the gist of it...

I think ill give more credability to the creeps farming the hunters that are starting to feel guilty....

Hah, actually current thread has been free of this kind of worthless oneshot stories so far - although worshipping RNG Purple God makes it pretty much the same.


@Whizzy

Originally Posted by Ferthcott

Hah, actually current thread has been free of this kind of worthless oneshot stories so far - although worshipping RNG Purple God makes it pretty much the same.


@Whizzy

hah the one shot line always makes me laugh...

Originally Posted by therealwhizzy

Hahaha heres something funny for you guys.... Maxed my commis and went creepside to spend some on my wargie and this is the conversation going on....

[OOC]warg: 'I feel bad killing them even thoguh they are doing EVBERYTHING right, class is POS atm :/'

[OOC]reaver:i can slughter ever hunter on the server' "actually not true Ive beat him and a couple others have also...
[OOC]reaver: 'and its not that hard'
[OOC] reaver: 'and its not their fault

there was some more but thats the gist of it...

I think ill give more credability to the creeps farming the hunters that are starting to feel guilty....

Sure, Elehir is a hunter from my server and he saw me playing often, and I can say he is very skilled a hunter.

YOU CAN with high ranked creeps, come on guys, don't get me wrong, Shall I do a freaking video? REAVERS are a problem? since WHEN? if we can blow them soon, use FOCUS pots, use MORALE, use improved fletness, COME ON! hunters are not at a bad point, other freeps are just ridicolous like epic conclusion from RK, heals while dpsing from Minicer, heals from Warden...zZzZ.
I said Im off from this topic, but today is other day, other history.

Originally Posted by Bond007

Oh give me a break. Since when has any hunter called for a dps buff in the moors? It's always the question of survivability. So, by his reasoning, we can already 1 shot creeps, and would be able to do so with impunity if we got a buff

"Oneshot" means to blow your enemy in less than 5-7 seconds, with your rotation, HE HAS no time or chances to survive, not the oneshot hit at all"

And once again, you can do that, I play warg too and spider, and on WEAVER i will agree with you, hunter is pure food for my r12 weaver, they just can try, but never done.

Originally Posted by Gorgilh

Sure, Elehir is a hunter from my server and he saw me playing often, and I can say he is very skilled a hunter.

YOU CAN with high ranked creeps, come on guys, don't get me wrong, Shall I do a freaking video? REAVERS are a problem? since WHEN? if we can blow them soon, use FOCUS pots, use MORALE, use improved fletness, COME ON! hunters are not at a bad point, other freeps are just ridicolous like epic conclusion from RK, heals while dpsing from Minicer, heals from Warden...zZzZ.
I said Im off from this topic, but today is other day, other history.

for sure do a vid... i posted a couple fights i had in the past and will try and get some more to at least show something real... reavers are prolly the easiest class to 1v1 imo...

Originally Posted by therealwhizzy

for sure do a vid... i posted a couple fights i had in the past and will try and get some more to at least show something real... reavers are prolly the easiest class to 1v1 imo...

I might vid some depending on if it makes me a lag a lot

Ok, I'll bend a little bit. Reavers are able to be taken on solo. But really....?

Originally Posted by Gorgilh

if we can blow them soon, use FOCUS pots, use MORALE, use improved fletness, COME ON!

You forgot "pop elder's grace or man-heal, or flop, or pop store pots, or start out with a insignia, or..." Why is it that we are always the ones having to pop everything in our bags to win, while the other player can just use simple skills, no big CDs or the like.


We can win, yes. But, it's not a true, fair fight if we're popping stuff like a madman in order to scrap through. I know all too many people nowadays running through moors with half a dozen lines of buffs underneath their portraits, all DP or store bought. ....Why. My warg eats most freeps for lunch, and can keep going for a while if I use flayer while I'm unstealthed. I barely, if ever, buy buffs. Imagine if they introduced consumables to creepside. Then it would truly be equal in the way you're talking about it, and then we would truly be f---ed.

Originally Posted by Elehir

I might vid some depending on if it makes me a lag a lot

ya i lag a bit doing but can still manage its just all my actually good fights dont happen during a setup 1v1 because they dont happen all that much.. Its kinbda hard to run around recording for long periods of time hah.

Originally Posted by Bond007

Ok, I'll bend a little bit. Reavers are able to be taken on solo. But really....?
You forgot "pop elder's grace or man-heal, or flop, or pop store pots, or start out with a insignia, or..." Why is it that we are always the ones having to pop everything in our bags to win, while the other player can just use simple skills, no big CDs or the like.


We can win, yes. But, it's not a true, fair fight if we're popping stuff like a madman in order to scrap through. I know all too many people nowadays running through moors with half a dozen lines of buffs underneath their portraits, all DP or store bought. ....Why. My warg eats most freeps for lunch, and can keep going for a while if I use flayer while I'm unstealthed. I barely, if ever, buy buffs. Imagine if they introduced consumables to creepside. Then it would truly be equal in the way you're talking about it, and then we would truly be f---ed.

A ranked Creep with full Audacity should never not have all 3 Delving Pot buffs up.

I'll step in here only to confirm that Cazikee (Gorgilh) can pretty much blow up any creep in a 1vs1. He's an extremely skilled hunter. When he's determined to get a kill he usually gets it, even though he's attacking a WP or a raid.

Originally Posted by Lethric

I'll step in here only to confirm that Cazikee (Gorgilh) can pretty much blow up any creep in a 1vs1. He's an extremely skilled hunter. When he's determined to get a kill he usually gets it, even though he's attacking a WP or a raid.

You're just reinforcing the point then. If only the top 1 or 2 % are competitive, then the class needs work. There's nothing more entertaining than when players consider themselves and no one else. Just because one player can compete does not mean the class is competitive as a whole. The average hunter right now gets their backside handed to them in 1v1s. Anyone who plays a creep and actually 1v1s knows this.

Originally Posted by Lethric

I'll step in here only to confirm that Cazikee (Gorgilh) can pretty much blow up any creep in a 1vs1. He's an extremely skilled hunter. When he's determined to get a kill he usually gets it, even though he's attacking a WP or a raid.

cool, that adds some credablity to claims.. plz grab or vid of a few fights Cazi i'd would honestly prefer to have posts about improving..

Originally Posted by therealwhizzy

cool, that adds some credablity to claims.. plz grab or vid of a few fights Cazi i'd would honestly prefer to have posts about improving..

I agree with this.

Originally Posted by Odin_of_Freyr

You're just reinforcing the point then. If only the top 1 or 2 % are competitive, then the class needs work. There's nothing more entertaining than when players consider themselves and no one else. Just because one player can compete does not mean the class is competitive as a whole. The average hunter right now gets their backside handed to them in 1v1s. Anyone who plays a creep and actually 1v1s knows this.

I don't know where you got that number from. I wouldn't say that 1 or 2% are competitive, more like 10-20%. But I agree that most hunters I meet with my warg go down really really fast in a 1vs1.

I also play a hunter with some moors experience (rank 7). All I'm saying is that a hunter can be really lethal if played well, like Cazikee does. Don't ask me how to do it, cause I suck with my hunter. From my own point of view as a warg and hunter I'd say that hunters should have some more survivability, but definetly not more dps.

Hehe, thanks Grof, Elehir ( Elehar Hunter ) mates.

I just have to say one thing, All my posts are on Burning the tree laurelin threat, I don't post on Forum often since there is only Drama, post in hunters forum for...what? If I say I think we're fine and I got blammed? No thanks, I'll keep being hidden, seems better, I will not b e bothered about reputation, I post on my kinship forum, I have rep there!!! No, I am not new in lotro mate, already 2 chars at r12, I prefer to think I know at least a bit about what I talk, about my own experience playing creep a lot and freep a lot as well.

I agree with you, hunter is not the best class for solo, but come on since WHEN? we can't with high ranked creeps? So sorry to hear it, I play solo, my rating is weird cuz Im eaten all the time by more creeps against an alone freep, sorry but I have enough rating with my warg, If I want to leech rating I'll choose warg, hunters are a dps machin, to kill and to die, to slow and do it easier than our fellos, root, fear... but never to hug rating imo, at least that's what I think EVERYONE should have an own opinion.

This is not a good hour to write I'll leave and maybe post in some couple of hours, in my own I always use Bow chant, light oils, and Focus pots, Im so sorry but If we have it why not to use that?

Sure other freeps doesn't need it... you want to be as OP as a minier is? for what...to zerg creeps more? Sorry I don't want, Do you know what happen when a freep ballanced raid fights a creep one? Zerg Zerg Zerg, try vanyar and face eldagur groups, you will love to be FARMED, even my weaver r12 is farmed by their raids, when Im able to solo every freep 1vs1, but in group that's another history, this is a GROUP-RAID game, I play solo and the threat is about soloing...YES, you can kill every creep 1vs1.

pd: I don't think I deserve some mention, but I you care there was a threat about how underpowered hunters are some mounths ago, And there is some guy who said you can't say it before seeing CaziKee in action, and then 2 creeps from laurelin agreed with him, outh, it was before I had even the full set, long long time ago 1 week after ToO raid was released!!!!
,Re: Over and Underpowered



Quote Originally Posted by TiNdA-LoS View Post
Don't know if you are talking about Cazikee, but before seeing him in action noone can think Hunters are underpowered. And wait until he gets the new set, so he'll be able to spam even more penetratings....

Imo most OP freeps are Champs, Mins and Burgs.
OP in the creep side... maybe BA if you buy all the skills, but saying any creep is OP now is a joke.
First try :P Cazi can blow up anything up to 15k in ~5 seconds. I only stay alive by healing as soon as he pops out of stealth
http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...ered&p=5892303

WE have the tools to fight creeps and to PROVE that we're extremly dangerous. no guys and this is not about me, this is about our great class, Hunter.

Ehm....page 2, and some post in page 3 or something like this replying that yes, Maybe I am with 10 accounts to give to myself some of love, no, I am not, sorry.

That's all, I don't think we need a buff at all, we're dead if a warg starts with knockdown on us, and has dissapire and sprint ... but who not? even champs are dead if warg starts with knockdown sometimes, come on, do not comlpain that much, I will do a vid someday http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrMMQhxWPSk

The hunter there is me, was with my kinnies killing shadow t2 some mounths ago, time to go, bye!


Let me say something again, weaver skilled against HUNTER skilled, weaver will win 99% of the times, I've one weaver and I think Im skilled with it, ( btw my weaver is gorgilh, same as my name here) and I never have problems with hunters, but I have not problems with burglars, champs, captains, guardians, just minicers and good RK's.

Good nights, and sorry for this "kind" of english but I can't do better, being spanish where our language is totally diferent I do think I speak fine , less drama guys, you want to be good at 1vs1 but remember we're the class which more renown can DO, and we've 40m range, you want 1vs1, you want range, you want group fights, youw ant raid fights...you want everything, we're ok, please do not change hunters, I don't want a nerf..

Without mentioning pve, we're at great dps there, And as grof said maybe a bit more of survivatly... but then they will touch our dps, Im sure about that, and don't like it

Originally Posted by Tinluen

The best hunters out on the moors on Elendilmir have almost top of the line gear. From soup to nuts... apologies to the female hunters.... they are raided out and at the top of the pile for gear. Anything less is disaster. So now that we have limited the field to the top 15% of hunters in PVE we will step to the skills needed for PVP. On E the block, evade, and parry buffs are constant, they eat the store bought brands like candy and the average player is probably R7-8. Add to the store bought skills and you have a nightmare to deal with as a hunter.

I would love to see you try some of our wargs/bas/defilers and war leaders... you may get some of our reavers at r7-8 but not our top players. Spiders are in a good place for matching up with hunters, stack the poison and bury, when they come back up they will be close to 100% and you will be at 50% if you are lucky. Sorry but until I see some video on this count me as a non believer.

Tydalmir

You call BS on me saying hunters can beat ranked creeps? Because that's all I've said. Yes hunters can beat ranked creeps, yes hunters DO need a survivability buff, and yes things ARE tough out there. But there is no reason why someone cannot be successful on a hunter, low ranked creeps are free reknown obviously, and high rank creeps are killable.

Hunters are by no means OP, and could definately use some love (as i have posted in some other suggestion threads) but we aren't useless.

I consider myself to be one of the better reavers on Laurelin, Gorgilh in my opinion is the best hunter on our server and Elehir is nearly as good. They do insane amounts of damage, sometimes hard to believe how they can do so much more than other hunters. As to comparing people based on rating, it’s just stupid aggressive players and soloers will have a lot lower rating than those who group up all the time that has nothing to do with player skill.

As with hunters being weak, yeah they may not be the best solo and could use a few tweaks to survivability but they can solo very effectively. As with most cases across all classes:

A skilled creep will have a close fight with a skilled freep.

An average creep will have a close fight with an average freep.

That’s the way it’s meant to be. Why should you expect to be able to beat someone who is more experienced and more skilled than you?

There are lots of hunters who are fairly inexperienced with soloing because they usually play in a group or raid. They don’t do well when put in a solo situation and will usually die quite easily. The main way to be a better at any class is to actually step away from the group/raid and go solo; this puts your skills to the test. Sure you will die quite a bit to start with but you will get better with practice and experience.

I will admit that I have quite low experience at playing a hunter most of my post comes from a creep perspective. However I do know the class very well and have tons of experience fighting against them.

Originally Posted by Rakanor

I consider myself to be one of the better reavers on Laurelin, Gorgilh in my opinion is the best hunter on our server and Elehir is nearly as good. They do insane amounts of damage, sometimes hard to believe how they can do so much more than other hunters. As to comparing people based on rating, it’s just stupid aggressive players and soloers will have a lot lower rating than those who group up all the time that has nothing to do with player skill.

As with hunters being weak, yeah they may not be the best solo and could use a few tweaks to survivability but they can solo very effectively. As with most cases across all classes:

A skilled creep will have a close fight with a skilled freep.

An average creep will have a close fight with an average freep.

That’s the way it’s meant to be. Why should you expect to be able to beat someone who is more experienced and more skilled than you?

There are lots of hunters who are fairly inexperienced with soloing because they usually play in a group or raid. They don’t do well when put in a solo situation and will usually die quite easily. The main way to be a better at any class is to actually step away from the group/raid and go solo; this puts your skills to the test. Sure you will die quite a bit to start with but you will get better with practice and experience.

I will admit that I have quite low experience at playing a hunter most of my post comes from a creep perspective. However I do know the class very well and have tons of experience fighting against them.

To be doing insane dps farron would more than likey be used and 1st age and of course jewels, that leaves most hunters around the 7-7.5k morale mark... So im curious with a reaver at 7 aud and having 15k to 17k morale (depending if buffed) the hunter in farron can have 2 Aud. He is winning many fights in a straight up 1v1...?


heres specific answers i'd like to know...

1.If a BA catches you unaware within 20m range and actually uses all his skills like MT how do you fare...
2.If a warg either shadow or flayer that is no less than rank 6 lets say pounces or topples or knockdowns how do u fare...
3.spider with skills store bought even catches you from ooc burrow and burrows in combat if he needs to how do u fare..
4.defiler with flies 1v1 straight up how do you fare..
5.reaver prolly best match up rank 8 at least though and caught melee or 1v1
6.wl rank 8 min caught melee or 1v1

Originally Posted by therealwhizzy

To be doing insane dps farron would have to be used and 1st age and of course jewels, that leaves most hunters around the 7-7.5k morale mark... So im curious with a reaver at 7 aud and having 15k to 17k morale (depending if buffed) the hunter in farron can have 2 Aud. He is winning many fights in a straight up 1v1...?

Do you not use faron for fleetness buff and then switch to audacity?

Also a hunters dps is still significantly higher than a reaver

I run with 15.4k morale unbuffed on reaver usually with dof pots, it’s rare that I’ll have any other buffs on me and don’t use store pots. I’ve had lots of 1v1s against Gorgilh and we always have very close fights, assuming neither of us make any big mistakes, it’s usually like a toss of a coin as to who will win between us quite often we will both kill each other. I generally don’t use against the odds, if I did I’d win a couple more fights but I would still loose even with it sometimes.

He uses a mix of faron and audacity most of the time but always getting the fleetness buff from faron but does use full audacity sometimes.

I’ve seen him in lots of other 1v1s just tear people apart especially those with lower morale pools who can’t withstand the initial burst. It’s rare that he will ever kite in a spar, fighting him is more like fighting a melee class in terms of movements, very different to most other hunters.

I watched your vid Whizzy your fights against those reavers last longer than our fights last.

Originally Posted by Elehir

Do you not use faron for fleetness buff and then switch to audacity?

Also a hunters dps is still significantly higher than a reaver

if your refering to switching gear in combat, no i dont, i wont macro if thats what yur doing... i wouldnt be fast enough doing it manually

Originally Posted by Rakanor

I run with 15.4k morale unbuffed on reaver usually with dof pots, it’s rare that I’ll have any other buffs on me and don’t use store pots. I’ve had lots of 1v1s against Gorgilh and we always have very close fights, assuming neither of us make any big mistakes, it’s usually like a toss of a coin as to who will win between us quite often we will both kill each other. I generally don’t use against the odds, if I did I’d win a couple more fights but I would still loose even with it sometimes.

He uses a mix of faron and audacity most of the time but always getting the fleetness buff from faron but does use full audacity sometimes.

I’ve seen him in lots of other 1v1s just tear people apart especially those with lower morale pools who can’t withstand the initial burst. It’s rare that he will ever kite in a spar, fighting him is more like fighting a melee class in terms of movements, very different to most other hunters.

I watched your vid Whizzy your fights against those reavers last longer than our fights last.

K i see the dif now I have refused to swap gear for buffs at least things are clearer..

I have swapped a wep in combat but i just dunno bout swapping armor for buffs fleetstack was nerfed on account of that not being wai whats the consensus on doing this?

From what i've seen Gorgilh doesn't switch gear in combat just before hand, i'm not sure whether he has the armour swap macro'd

Originally Posted by therealwhizzy

if your refering to switching gear in combat, no i dont, i wont macro if thats what yur doing... i wouldnt be fast enough doing it manually

I don't macro, I set up numbers on my keypad to use things on skill bar, and have my armours on the skill bar. Pretty simple and easy.

Originally Posted by Rakanor

From what i've seen Gorgilh doesn't switch gear in combat just before hand, i'm not sure whether he has the armour swap macro'd

yeah he switched gear the same way I do.


neither of us macro

hmmm well doing that would make a pretty big dif in fights i have just seems kinda like it might be considered cheating? I dunno maybe not...

Originally Posted by therealwhizzy

hmmm well doing that would make a pretty big dif in fights i have just seems kinda like it might be considered cheating? I dunno maybe not...

Well it's definately not cheating, and plenty of classes do it. If you've got the gear and the option is there, may aswell use it.

Originally Posted by Elehir

Well it's definately not cheating, and plenty of classes do it. If you've got the gear and the option is there, may aswell use it.

guess so, that essentially would be what takes my close fights and turns em into wins that buff is a big deal... maybe ill try it..

Originally Posted by therealwhizzy

guess so, that essentially would be what takes my close fights and turns em into wins that buff is a big deal... maybe ill try it..

Try it and post again here and let us know how it goes mate.

Originally Posted by Elehir

Try it and post again here and let us know how it goes mate.

just in the middle of shadow t2 chall gonna have to be tomorrow haha nearly got 1st clear... thx

Originally Posted by therealwhizzy

just in the middle of shadow t2 chall gonna have to be tomorrow haha nearly got 1st clear... thx

Good luck

more words

Since few days ago Im thinking about farm the red set.... already 4 pieces, with it hey we just start using BH with the set, switch to fletness one, use fletness, leave camuflage and... pew pew pew pew, Your mightly blow... This is not a 1vs1 for sure.

But I do think as I said hunter have chances against every creep, of course a high ranked BA at 20m range if he catchs you first has de adventage, Uruk heal, vital, hindering, MT... skills that you will hate, but.. Do we have fear for something? just use it, you've enough time to use press onward there if he doesn't pot it, or just BH... BA's are not always with MT up, same as we are not always with Press onward or Burn Hot, And I don't see the fair point there, we cant' expect to be a ble to kill every creep 1vs1, I still think we are not here to kill every class 1vs1 but we have 40m and other tihngs that other freeps would love, I don't know your case but laurelin is not one of the best pvp servers about ranking, there are few high rankeds, only mornaro r15, bertromir nearly r 14 cappy, and all the others at r12 like me, but the days I go for renown I can do 10k easy, hunters have 40m, high burst...enough to earn lot of renown, OK, I agree with you we're not best class for solo, we can win every creep but we have problems with every creep if the fight turns bad with crtics, that's right... but where is the pro blem? creeps still need some of love in groups, only creep this is imposible for us is a good spider, I think so.
Wargs in flayer...? They're extremly hard but we can, at least I beaten some of them 1vs1, other times I lost, this is hunter life, sometimes you win, sometimes you loose, never a sure win ( of course against greens this is.) but never a sure loose, I love it , that's fun.


Whizzy tell me something, what's your equip at moors? About what we're talking your fights seems to last longer, maybe this is your rotation, your gear, or just bad luck.
I go with 7.535 morale, sometimes 7.845 If Im using the morale buff, and I do this often, and 30.790 Physycal mastery with this build, can go with less morale and more dps but I don't find that effective, in 1vs1 you need a bit of morale, 7.500 is a good number imo. this is unbuffed, I can up the screen if you want, bit less than 9k critic not sure right now but about 8.890 ( with the trait which gives us critic, of course) , auda 2 with leggings of audacity, and first age with 3 crystals, THIS for pvp, pve is another history, I go with more critic & PM to pve but a lot of lesser morale

Did you try moving the mouse quickly to the way where your enemy is going in a close 1vs1? or just moving the house around but always trying to get the middle of the screen, I don't know If Im explaining well cuz this sounds diferent in my language, we usually hit always if we use that, I didn't see your videos, maybe later but most of the hunters have this problem, they are so bad turning the mouse in a close fight, I can say that I had as well, but with pracice everything goes better, I used to do lots of 1vs1 till I get the key, nedfulhaste traited and a good use or control of your mose do things easier

Originally Posted by Gorgilh

Since few days ago Im thinking about farm the red set.... already 4 pieces, with it hey we just start using BH with the set, switch to fletness one, use fletness, leave camuflage and... pew pew pew pew, Your mightly blow... This is not a 1vs1 for sure.

But I do think as I said hunter have chances against every creep, of course a high ranked BA at 20m range if he catchs you first has de adventage, Uruk heal, vital, hindering, MT... skills that you will hate, but.. Do we have fear for something? just use it, you've enough time to use press onward there if he doesn't pot it, or just BH... BA's are not always with MT up, same as we are not always with Press onward or Burn Hot, And I don't see the fair point there, we cant' expect to be a ble to kill every creep 1vs1, I still think we are not here to kill every class 1vs1 but we have 40m and other tihngs that other freeps would love, I don't know your case but laurelin is not one of the best pvp servers about ranking, there are few high rankeds, only mornaro r15, bertromir nearly r 14 cappy, and all the others at r12 like me, but the days I go for renown I can do 10k easy, hunters have 40m, high burst...enough to earn lot of renown, OK, I agree with you we're not best class for solo, we can win every creep but we have problems with every creep if the fight turns bad with crtics, that's right... but where is the pro blem? creeps still need some of love in groups, only creep this is imposible for us is a good spider, I think so.
Wargs in flayer...? They're extremly hard but we can, at least I beaten some of them 1vs1, other times I lost, this is hunter life, sometimes you win, sometimes you loose, never a sure win ( of course against greens this is.) but never a sure loose, I love it , that's fun.


Whizzy tell me something, what's your equip at moors? About what we're talking your fights seems to last longer, maybe this is your rotation, your gear, or just bad luck.
I go with 7.535 morale, sometimes 7.845 If Im using the morale buff, and I do this often, and 30.790 Physycal mastery with this build, can go with less morale and more dps but I don't find that effective, in 1vs1 you need a bit of morale, 7.500 is a good number imo. this is unbuffed, I can up the screen if you want, bit less than 9k critic not sure right now but about 8.890 ( with the trait which gives us critic, of course) , auda 2 with leggings of audacity, and first age with 3 crystals, THIS for pvp, pve is another history, I go with more critic & PM to pve but a lot of lesser morale

My fights last longer cause I go more morale based build and try to out manuevre and use some kiting i also have the immunity runes again so dps is lower (keep trying different things). In the vid I would have only 20k phys mastery. I used to go all out dps race with farron before U6 and did very well I think.. I could be at the 30-32k phys and crits up around 10k... buffed I think I peaked at 34k I essentially have top tier gear missing a couple jewels but nothing thats a make or break for me.. (too busy in moors to get em..) thx

I got a chance for 2 more 1v1's yesterday I didnt play well my mouse turning was bad but fights were very close i lost em in the 2nd fight you will see i lost target on reaver and couldnt get it back cause i ran into the tree LOL. gonna add those to my progression vid..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf05o-DFwK4

Originally Posted by Gorgilh

Did you try moving the mouse quickly to the way where your enemy is going in a close 1vs1? or just moving the house around but always trying to get the middle of the screen, I don't know If Im explaining well cuz this sounds diferent in my language, we usually hit always if we use that, I didn't see your videos, maybe later but most of the hunters have this problem, they are so bad turning the mouse in a close fight, I can say that I had as well, but with pracice everything goes better, I used to do lots of 1vs1 till I get the key, nedfulhaste traited and a good use or control of your mose do things easier

ya i do trying to get better at anticipating where the target will be but its still not easy in close combat not to mention right now i wore the bottom off my mouse so i got bad drag right now hah

When i watch what i do i think i do move too much. During charge I think moving through target is ok but after that i might be better of being a bit more stationary unless i can get a slow with immune..