Thread: Why the hunter class will never be fixed...

1. The hunter class is in a relatively fine spot, for the comatose PvE-r who doesn't move.
2. This game doesn't have PvP.
3. See #2.
4. Developer(s) doesn't actually read these forums, except for every few months. See #5 for an exception.
5. Developer agrees to some changes as a definite possibility, but never implements them.. in over 5 months.
6. You haven't given enough money to Turbine yet. Sub for another year and buy their maximum points package.
7. Really, there's some great deals in #6. You should totally go check them out. You can totally exchange your money for points at a better rate.
8. Its lore appropriate for all classes to be immobile and ditzy. Hobbits have big bellies, as do dwarves, so giving them any sort of mobility for hunters is out of the question. I mean, who else has elevensies besides a hobbit? The mighty hobbit hunter, who has been tracking its prey for a long time now, must stop just as elevensies starts. MMmmm. Mashed taters.
9. See #4. Betcha the dev won't! Hah! Good one.
10. Because we really need another reason, besides all of the obvious bugs.
11. Its hard to fix something without breaking it further apparently.
12. What, you're not VIP? You're not important! Go and sub for Turbine already.
13. Hunters aren't archers, they're just champions with a prettier bow and worthless 'armor.'
14. ...
15. Turbine believes that giving cosmetics is a far better alternative to updating game content.
16. Turbine believes (as do several players) that some jewellery will fix all of our issues.
17. Draigoch glitches when there's a hunter involved. (hah!)
18. While every other class gets some sort of survivability, the hunter gets screwed over because people think its a ranged class. (Warden? Assailment? Heeeellllloooo?)
19. You're still here? Wow. You should totally l2p as the non-hunters roll, and roll another class!11!!!
20. Because everything above, sadly, is true.

Fixes?

Ya kidding me?

With reasons above, who needs fixes?

I mean, look how lore appropriate #8 is.

I, am a comatose PVEer. I only move when I have to due to area effects or if I got aggro away from the tank due to my not paying attention to what I'm doing. I have never had an issues in any of the 6 mans or 3 mans once I figured out the mechanics of the instance and how to best play my class in that situation. Raids are the same way. I don't require help with solo quests and can do some group quests alone (Limlight dailies) although it takes more time than if I was in a group. Is the class "Broken" just from a PvMP play style? Do we "need" updated just because everyone else is? I read these forums a bit and am trying to understand what make hunters "unplayable" in their current state? If its PVMP, I will have to take your word on it. After DAoC, nothing will come close for RvR so I'm not even going to try. If its other things, fill me in. I really want to understand. I did not play prior to Moria so I don't know what hunters were like, it sounds they were prett OPed which is fun, but not exactly right but again, I don't know. Just my thoughts and questions to better understand the problem that is our class. No offence intended to anyone or their opinions.

I am an uber Hunter. Why do we need changes? Hunter class is fine, we one shot everything. I one shotted draigoch the other day. I even one shot creeps on a regular basis (with a million and one buffs, but.... IT WAS STILL A ONE SHOT, hey!). Hunters are totally fine, L2P.

cant fix whats broken? If your talking about moors then hunters could use a little more mobility and some survivability. If your having trouble solo....do what creeps do and group up not a hard fix. Think of it this way, to get high damage you sacrifice some mobility

Long winded way of sayin they don't care. (see how easy that was?)

I don't think the hunter is broken, just a good aggro management skill would be welcome. I don't PvMP anymore.

Originally Posted by Nerglor

cant fix whats broken? If your talking about moors then hunters could use a little more mobility and some survivability. If your having trouble solo....do what creeps do and group up not a hard fix. Think of it this way, to get high damage you sacrifice some mobility

would you be ok with having healing an no warspeech? or warspeech and no healing?

Aud 7 doesnt do squat really it buys you a little more time but you do sacrifice plenty dps to use it and lose mobility assuming you used farron which levelled the playing field for hunters prior to AUD imo.. I did think that the ranged dps was a bit much against creeps before aud though you really could just sit back and blow em up but it was that dps that made solo even out...

so lost dps from armor creeps get -30% incoming with Aud 7 no added survive equals tougher solo, but with heals in a raid (dont need to use useless pvp armor and use farron) = still dangerous.

Minis have warspeech and healing?


In fairness to ZC, he's got two classes to take care of, and a lot of the hunter talk has just been qq. He'll get around to us eventually I think, keep your heads up.

Originally Posted by Jessy82

Minis have warspeech and healing?


In fairness to ZC, he's got two classes to take care of, and a lot of the hunter talk has just been qq. He'll get around to us eventually I think, keep your heads up.

well i hope i got the terms right i never played one but i have seen em heal themselves and wreak havoc hah

well ya in thinkin about things in regards to priority wardens were broken in pve no?
not sure about Rk's and the changes that happend over last while cant comment...

too bad some communitcation was there to say hey we got out hands full and will do our best to look at things or fix just the little bugs so it doesnt look like some agenda to ignore the class and fuel the fire..

but seeing hunter really isnt broken in pve its understandable other things getting fixed 1st, if your a pvpr well it sucks but ya im tryng to make the best of it still and hopefully some small non op tweaks can be made...

The hunter isn't powerless in the Moors. The object is to stay as mobile as possible, and don't run solo. I used to be able to run solo before U6...but not anymore.

I stay mobile and use my skills to get kills. Its not hard to hit with an immobile skill and then move while spamming blood arrow, and then PS x2 before running out of focus. Then it is back to finding a mobile spot of relative safety to use intent concentration, swift bow, barbed arrow, swift shot, and back to moving and spamming while trying to evade the wargs and reavers that invariably target the LMs, RKs, Minis, and hunters before going after tougher prey. I don't use Improved Fleetness because it is a waste of time. I can still move and use up my focus without slotting that trait.

Melee is a whole different animal. With only three melee skills to choose from, it is essential to equip the trait; Resolute Aim. This allows for the use of Needful Haste to negate setbacks on bow inductions; very handy when being pew pewed by a BA.

If running in small group to raid strength group, the hunter is a great asset to target focus due to burst DPS. When in a raid, I follow target assist, or tab through the creeps to find a target of opportunity. As a hunter, I also use my Bard's arrow to interrupt the WLs and Defilers in their efforts to heal, and rezz.

Another asset of being a hunter in the Moors is the ability to trait heightened senses and track prey over distance. It is always good to know where the wargs are hiding; Wargs on RM have a habit of running away from the track, and helps the hunter to avoid warg packs; and is essential for finding out who is in a keep before flipping it (gotta have a rez) However, there are bugs with the tracking right now. I, and other hunters on Riddermark, have experienced times when wargs that are "close" are not showing up on Passage of Nature. Just today I tracked nature at OR, got the message "nothing to track", and was then pounced by a warg! I submitted a bug but don't expect anything to come of it. Even though it is bugged, it is still a helpful skill.

I have heard that the hunter is OP because we can one shot wargs, etc. I can honestly say that I have never one shotted any creep, even a low ranking one. With any audacity mitigation, the heartseeker rarely does the damage it used too...but still great for those BAs that pop their evade when low on health.

I could probably come up with more but that would take too long, and make too long of a post. Even though their are some bugs in the hunter arsenal, and we haven't experienced any attention from the Developer/s in a long time (I don't count split shot or hunters art as they are just a placebo to appease those that are easily. appeased). The hunter still is fun to play in the Moors if you learn the tricks needed to survive a little while. I still die a lot, but that is part of the game. I will continue to play my hunter in hopes of a fix to the hunter in the future...but not holding my breath.

20. Because everything above, sadly, is true.

Not much else to say about your post other than the quote I've referenced here is 100% inaccurate.

Originally Posted by therealwhizzy

would you be ok with having healing an no warspeech? or warspeech and no healing?

I would be perfectly fine with healing and no WS, ive done that in the moors and have done more damage then in WS dpsing. Keeping a whole raid plus some is worse then some aoe damage and taking care of myself. In WS I would not mind if you took away or lowered the healing if you give me back my defensive buffs we had pre ROI. I do have a 75 hunter (not geared) and i dont pvmp with him because i gave up pvmp as a whole when my server started going downhill. From what i can tell they are not broken by the least besides besides small moblity and survival issues

Personally, I don't think that the hunter class is weak. It is under-classed, but not weak. I feel strong solo when I have the edge but not when another gets the jump on me.

In raid v. raid. I only feel good when NH is up. When its on cd its usually impossible to get off any induction, making it hard to generate focus, which makes it hard to use our focus skills.

Usually I am targeted first and I understand why. I can drop a creep in 10s but this is usually only with Improved focus buff, full focus, from camo.





Fixes: We don't need them
Revisions or trait-line changes: Yes. Especially converting that yellow-line into some sort of hybrid melee-range set up.
Dps boost: not needed
Mobility/Survival boost: a little more than agile rejoiner heal and ooc df would be cool.



Other than all this, I am ok where I am at in pvp and pve.

Disclaimer: Im not saying that we direly need a buff or we are OP as is. These are just my thoughts about the class.