Thread: Gauntlets of Perseverance - Design Oversight

I'm asking for anybody who reads this to submit a bug report for the Moors barter Gauntlets of Perseverance. It's missing a stat dose (and always has been), and I'll explain below:



It helps when judging this to have an understanding of how stats are allocated to items, but it's not necessary. Just know that Turbine puts stats on items in a balanced way, with different weights for each stat. Leggings of one set may have different stats than the Pauldrons of the same set, but the net stats will be balanced. Knowing that, take a look at the Gauntlets of Perseverance below and compare to the Breastplate of Perseverance:


Image from the BR forums (Complete Ettensets Overview)

Notice the differences between the Perseverance Gauntlets and Breastplate. The armor rating is different of course, as it should be; it's really not part of this discussion. Audacity's the same; crit's the same; vitality's the same; tact mastery's the same. The Breastplate pulls ahead in might, which is in itself ok. However I've exhausted the stats on the Gauntlets in this comparison, and there's nothing on the Gauntlets to counter the extra +33.5 (its rounded in game) more might on the Breastplate to make things balanced. The Gauntlets should have another dose of something to be balanced, be it +33.5 more might/vit, +352 more crit/tact mastery, etc. You can use the analysis I linked above to check that it's the Gauntlets and not the Breastplate that's balanced wrong.

You might think, "The Gauntlets cost only 4k comms, while the Breastplate costs 7.5k comms. There should be a difference." Well Turbine hasn't yet made pieces within the same set unequal in net stats, so that's wrong. I have an even better answer to that, though. Look at the Gauntlets of Loyalty and compare to the Breastplate of Loyalty. They have equal net stat value. Hell, they're exactly the same, besides armor value.

So I conclude that there's a design flaw in these Gauntlets of Perseverance. They've got 5 stat slices + audacity instead of the 6 stats + audacity that they ought to have (like everything else). Other captains have looked at the gloves and pronounced them bad; mathematically, they were correct. However, I don't think anyone's gone so far as to prove that the Gauntlets are really borked.

The only way this will get fixed before RoR is made aware of the problem. So I implore you to send in bug reports on the missing stat on the Gauntlets of Perseverance. Make it quick and simple, nothing as long as this. I would appreciate that, captains.

Maybe they could put some Finesse on the Gauntlets, so at least some piece of the Perserverance set has some Finesse. It wouldn't make up for the lack of Finesse completely, given the fact the two other sets have three pieces (gloves/chest/helm) that each have 1068 Finense/1 Slice. But it would be a start to correct the oversight of not putting any Finesse on the Perserverance.

Regardless of what actually is done, you are correct in your Slices breakdown, and something needs to be added to the Gauntlets of Perseverance.

do ALL classes armor have the stats missing from the gloves, or just capns?

is it just capns or are they tweaking stat allocations for gloves?


ive always felt gloves were overly powerful (based on the amount of armor compared to feet or shoulders) and maybe this was an (albeit failed) attempt at adjustment? im just flying by my seat on this one; havent read up too much.

Originally Posted by SapienChavez

do ALL classes armor have the stats missing from the gloves, or just capns?

is it just capns or are they tweaking stat allocations for gloves?


ive always felt gloves were overly powerful (based on the amount of armor compared to feet or shoulders) and maybe this was an (albeit failed) attempt at adjustment? im just flying by my seat on this one; havent read up too much.

Well see Orthanc armor and Draigoch armor all had two easy to get pieces, two medium difficulty pieces, and two harder to get pieces, in terms of currency. But Draigoch armor is all equal in stats, and at a glance I'd say Orthanc stuff is too (as an aside, Orthanc stats are allocated with half slices, 2 and 1/5 slices, and other stuff.

Also, both the Gauntlets of Loyalty and Gauntlets of Command have 6 stat doses +1 audacity like everything else.

Hey,guess what, fixed.

Bullroarer preliminary 7.1 release notes

I use 4 Perseverance plus the helm and gloves from the loyalty set so this isn't an issue for me.

I swap the gloves on to make haste, but then I swap them off.

Originally Posted by Nakiami

Hey,guess what, fixed.

Bullroarer preliminary 7.1 release notes

Wahoo! Thanks everyone who submitted bug reports. Thanks turbine for listening!


BTW, Sidhrin from T1 Shadow is also short on stats, like its a purple item.

2 doses of vitality
1 dose of ICPR
1 dose of parry
1 dose of finesse
1 dose of evade
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6 total, like a purple item ought to have. But Sidhrin is teal, so it needs like 55.8 more ICPR or 32 more Vitality, and it'll have the 7 stat doses that a teal oughta have. So send in bug reports, ladies and gents.

can anyone post the corrected stars from bullroarer please? thanks!

Originally Posted by Snoman73

can anyone post the corrected stars from bullroarer please? thanks!

I didnt take a screenie, but they added vitality to it so we get 67 vit instead of 34. Man, I'll take that

indeed! so does this change what you use in a 3 per. + 3 dagor setup?

Well when I learned the Gauntlets of Perseverance were messed up, I started planning on switching from gloves-boots-leggings of perseverance to chest-boots-leggings of perseverance, but now I won't. I like the Dagor chest too, so that makes me happy.

That also saves me a ton of comms since I have the chest and helm of loyalty and I only need the shoulders of loyalty to get a working moors raid set (distant future, will have 4 pers and shoulders/helm of loyalty, swap for rez as needed). Right now all my comms--which are coming slowly as I'm preoccupied with my warden--are going to the Command set, though.