Why on earth would I want this? I don't want PvP so I don't go to the Moors. So why on earth would I want PvP coming to me and being annoying? Besides, the 3 people who PVP on my server constantly complain about not being able to find anyone in the Moors to fight, so it seems to me no one on my server gives a whoopie about PvP.
Wait, are you sure you're playing on the right Silverlode? Whenever I log into the Moors, there's a BUNCH of freeps... A little too many I might say.
Provided run around is all they can do and they can't actually attack anybody, then sure, let them go sightseeing once in a while. Perhaps sparring requests could be allowed between them and freeps, allowing some 1v1 with somebody who's interested in taking part. But any PvP beyond that is not going to work with this game. Even that much isn't likely to get enough people interested to be worth the development effort.
As to adding more areas for open PvP, we don't have enough people interested in PvP to keep even one region well populated on a regular basis. Spreading the few players interested in it out over multiple regions would just make the population too sparse for PvP to be feasible. I have a blackarrow I've tried playing occasionally, but there's rarely any freeps around (nor many other creeps, for that matter), so instead of PvP, I just end up doing PvE with a creep character. Frankly, the freep PvE in the main game world is a lot better than the few PvE quests creeps get to fill time when there's no freeps around. (The only two times I've ever seen any freeps in the 'moors, I came across a whole party of them when I was alone, and immediately got one-shotted before I could get off even a single attack, so that's my only experience of actual PvP in this game.)
That's a common reason. But ask yourself this about it...Fun for WHO?
--W. H. Heydt
Old Used Programmer
Um, the PvP'rs? Not sure why you would even need to ask this question. >.>
As we are already discussing, it can be done in a way that it does not have to interfere with the carebears.
I'm liking these idea's, keep up the discussion folks!
Um, the PvP'rs? Not sure why you would even need to ask this question. >.>
As we are already discussing, it can be done in a way that it does not have to interfere with the carebears.
I'm liking these idea's, keep up the discussion folks!
Who enjoys secluded PvE?
Um, the PvE'rs? Not sure why you would even need to ask this question. >.>
As we are already discussing, it is done in a way that it does not interfere with the lunch room bully's.
We just keep them locked into a zone where they don't have to play well with others.
Figured if we must resort to carebear, then lunch room bully is fitting for the opposing side.
But quite frankly, it's terms like carebear that tend to make PvP the affront that it is to many PvE players.
But then, Middle Earth is pretty much the only place that doesn't have world wide free for all PvP, so I'm not surprised that people are constantly agitating to have it here too, since only having PvP everywhere is acceptable...
I could only dream of Turbine actually doing something big like this for PvPrs. In a way that won't affect PvE for those participating, but I just don't see it ever happening.
It really only has as much to do with the F2P model as any other part of the game. That's all this game has become. A money bank.
Anyway, what was I up to?
To do list:
1. Posted in a PvMP Open world suggestion thread. ✓
2. Legally trolled somewhat efficiently, and in doing so, ticked someone's buttons by using one eight letter word once. ✓
4. Mentally forced someone to fill out a Butthurt Report Form via political correctness and/or grammar Nazi's. x
Meh, I can leave out the last one.
Think I'm done now. Back to have what little fun left there is in lotro!
And they wonder why we don't want them around. I love people who are condescending and insulting! Wheee!
I think you might get a little more approval from the PvE crowd if you didn't insult them.
Riddle me this, then. How many suggestions have you seen in this thread for implementing something like open-world PvP? How many PvE'ers have given every idea due thought, rather than simply reject it out of hand? How many have simply reverted to the "PvP'ers are immature/a minority and deserve no consideration" stereotype?
Um, the PvP'rs? Not sure why you would even need to ask this question. >.>
As we are already discussing, it can be done in a way that it does not have to interfere with the carebears.
I'm liking these idea's, keep up the discussion folks!
Referring to pve'ers as "carebears" in the context of a pvp game that is one of the safest, where the devs have made positive steps to provide a level playing field and where death has no lasting consequences is quite frankly laughable.
Bango (85 Burg) - Extraordinary Adventurer's League
Hamsalbella (85 Mini) - Radix Lecti
And a few others.
Oh I get the general idea alright. You want Pv(M)P expanded beyond the Ettenmoors and will only back off full open world as far as you are forced to.
--W. H. Heydt
Old Used Programmer
If that was to be true, not at all. What would be stopping me from saying that's what I want if, I did?
I love the PvE side of this game, but only to a point. True and unchastely open world PvP does not belong in this game, if there was to be open world PvP of sorts, it would still need to be limited away from current PvE area's in some way. I have always held this opinion on the topic.
My coming in here and acting like a total ######## is due to the carebears(Used that touchy word again!) that see the words "World PvP" click on the link and make a post rejecting any idea's on the topic, in any shape or form on a complete ignorant whim.
Referring to pve'ers as "carebears" in the context of a pvp game that is one of the safest, where the devs have made positive steps to provide a level playing field and where death has no lasting consequences is quite frankly laughable.
Do mine eyes deceive me, or did you just claim the PvP in this game is built on top of a level playing field and that positive steps are being taken to improve the moors, when every long-time player I've ever talked to claims the current imbalance is probably the greatest since the game's inception?
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Riddle me this, then. How many suggestions have you seen in this thread for implementing something like open-world PvP? How many PvE'ers have given every idea due thought, rather than simply reject it out of hand? How many have simply reverted to the "PvP'ers are immature/a minority and deserve no consideration" stereotype?
What on earth does this have to do with someone calling people names? I couldn't care less about all the ideas for open-world PvP if people have to lower themselves to condescendingly using degrading terms for people who are simply discussing an idea.
As long as the PvP has nothing to do with me, doesn't cause me any lag, server issues, bugs, or basically require that I even acknowledge monster play exists in this game, you guys go do whatever you want. If at any point PvP effects me in any way, even to the point of taking WB/Turbine resources away from the PvE game, then I oppose the motion. Hopefully that clearly states my opinion of LOTRO PvP. In short, I'd be happy if they deleted it.
Referring to pve'ers as "carebears" in the context of a pvp game that is one of the safest, where the devs have made positive steps to provide a level playing field and where death has no lasting consequences is quite frankly laughable.
Actually, 'carebear' is a pretty good term to use for people who don't like PvP because a) the people who PvP are 'mean' to them, boohoo b) they don't like dying c) they don't like virtual confrontation.
I just want to kill that Dunlending Warrior in Dunland, it is already challenging enough! I don't want an Orc to come along, kill me, loot all my items and then send me a hate message calling me a noob! That's what happens right, by the way, I've never done PvMP. I thought I might try kill NPCs before I moved onto that sort of stuff!
Kind regards,
Anti-PvMP'ist
PS: I'm still level 67, how long until RoR comes out? I need time to max out my character!
Morvathir 65 Guardian (Rank 7), Morcallor 65 Craptain (Rank 0.5), other toons unworthy of mention. Slavetothebum R4 Reaver, Bummagic R2, other toons unworthy of mention cause they have not done the rite of initiation.
What on earth does this have to do with someone calling people names? I couldn't care less about all the ideas for open-world PvP if people have to lower themselves to condescendingly using degrading terms for people who are simply discussing an idea.
As long as the PvP has nothing to do with me, doesn't cause me any lag, server issues, bugs, or basically require that I even acknowledge monster play exists in this game, you guys go do whatever you want.
If at any point PvP effects me in any way, even to the point of taking WB/Turbine resources away from the PvE game, then I oppose the motion. Hopefully that clearly states my opinion of LOTRO PvP. In short, I'd be happy if they deleted it.
Saying 'No', arguing your guts out about any and every idea on the topic and then leaving the thread is not discussing anything.
By definition you yourself would be a carebear based on what you just said in that post.
Is that offensive? I don't know, you tell me. The term is not inappropriate based on definition of playstyle or attitude/opinion.
Based on what I have bolded there, you have not two, but three opinions that don't actually work together.
1. Do what you want with PvP as long as I'm not affected.
2. Actually, Do what you want with PvP as long as you use no allocated resources that could be used for what I do with my time.
3. Actually, they should just delete the whole concept of PvP.
Hate me for being factual, but these are not all exactly virtuous opinions, especially when you highlight that number 3 is your actual opinion.
So which is it?
Are you supportive of the PvP playstyle (IE, are you sensitive to the needs of the people who PvP)?
Don't want any care to go towards it at all?
Or want it removed for, what I can guess is very silly and perhaps even selfish reasoning?
By the way, removing PvP would lose turbine A LOT of revenue. And it would be a complete waste of resources, as it is not adding anything to attract anyone.
This is an MMORPG.
An MMORPG is a Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game
That means it's not just about you, or even a specific group of people in the game.
It's a multiple players game. It's about everyone.
Unfortunately for the carebears (oh no, twice in one post!), because turbine implemented this afterthought PvP system, that 'multiple players' thing includes the PvP crowd.
So rage at turbine for ruining your perfect PvE game by including the system.
Not at the players who want them to support the feature they started hosting in the first place.
Based on what I have bolded there, you have not two, but three opinions that don't actually work together.
Your interpretation of what I wrote is incorrect.
Are you supportive of the PvP playstyle
No
I do not believe that PvP improves the quality of the LOTRO community nor do I believe it is a valuable addition to the game. Based on my experience in playing various MMOs for the past decade or so, I choose not to participate in PvP and do not enjoy it. Therefore, I would never support the development of PvP content at the expense of PvE content.
So, as I said before, if there is a way for Turbine/WB to pursue PvP without it having any minus effect on PvE, I would not object as long as I never have to deal with it any form. If it ever removes anything from the PvE development and production, I would be in opposition to that allocation of resources.
I still don't think you're going to win anyone to your side from the PvE camp by continuing to refer to them with derogatory terms.
I do not believe that PvP improves the quality of the LOTRO community nor do I believe it is a valuable addition to the game. Based on my experience in playing various MMOs for the past decade or so, I choose not to participate in PvP and do not enjoy it.
Real lack of empathy shown above. Sounds to me like "screw folks who like things other than me".
Here are some examples of I could come up with if I thought what is coming across as your way:
I don't like/use cosmetics. I think no resources should be wasted on them.
One horse is enough for me. I think no resources should be spent on more "pretty horses".
I don't have a house. Delete housing, I think no resources should be spent on them (not that they are spent)
Fishing, meh. Blow it up.
Music play, nah.
Most emotes, don't need 'em.
Festivals, not my cup of tea. Stop making them.
But I actually don't think any of the above. I recognize that folks like different aspects of the game than I do, and am happy to see things that keep the game enjoyable for the masses. I PREFER to see more of the things I like ( more grouped content ) developed, but that doesn't mean I oppose things that give other folks pleasure...
I used to distain PvP/Moors. I wanted the Captain armor, went out there 5-6 weeks ago. Now have the armor I want, and am still going out. Been having fun. Haven't seen all the "bad behaviors" you refer to, and playing against people rather than predictable scripted NPCs has been fun. But as to open world PvP that was original idea, no, unless you made a new world that was just that way, which won't be happening. PvP should be optional...
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I do not believe that PvP improves the quality of the LOTRO community nor do I believe it is a valuable addition to the game. Based on my experience in playing various MMOs for the past decade or so, I choose not to participate in PvP and do not enjoy it. Therefore, I would never support the development of PvP content at the expense of PvE content.
So, as I said before, if there is a way for Turbine/WB to pursue PvP without it having any minus effect on PvE, I would not object as long as I never have to deal with it any form. If it ever removes anything from the PvE development and production, I would be in opposition to that allocation of resources.
I still don't think you're going to win anyone to your side from the PvE camp by continuing to refer to them with derogatory terms.
That's just my personal opinion.
PvP has made A LOT of what the lotro community is, as well as majorly influencing lotro's development as a whole quite positively too.
Not everyone enjoys competitive play, and I find that absolutely fine. I mostly PvE in lotro myself, but what I do not understand is the hate people like you have for PvP, simply because you do not participate in it yourself.
What about those people that do?
Should they just have to give up their entire playstyle and/or already obtained achievement,s and allow turbine to not allocate any funds towards developing a major system of their own pleasure, because people like you want it spent all towards what you specifically enjoy?
As I said before, this is not a single player game. It's not all about you or your group of like-minded people.
That is the root question. It's not about your game, or my game. It's about the game we both take part in. The root question comes down to the people. And for that, your answer in your head may not be what you are giving it in text, but communicated to me, all I am seeing to that latter question is the answer as a big Yes.
Naturally, to make PvP development they HAVE to take away from what they would otherwise contribute somewhere else in-game or to their company elsewhere.
Where else are they getting the funding?
The truth is, PvP and its development can be accomplished without any altering done to PvE.
It's up to the developers to find and fund that balance.
I won't win anyone from the PvE camp that doesn't already 'not care' or support PvP development even if I don't use the (in this case) perfectly reasonable derogatory term. Not unless they are driven in which they have another experience which negates their previous prejudicial experience.
Why?
Because the people I'm talking to, are the people who are getting offended by 'carebear' because they are the people who want to get rid of or rot something they have nothing to do with, understand, have any love for or sympathy for the people that do.
The behaviours in the last sentence completely and specifically describes prejudism, and I'm sure I don't need to fill in how pointless arguing with 'Experience Prejudists' is.
You need to understand that it's not whether YOU see something being benefitial or not. It's not about what you yourself/likeminded group see's. There is a whole bigger picture to include. And because turbine included that afterthought, the bigger picture includes the PvP crowd as well. The same can be said for PvP players who despise PvE. It's all part of the same boat.
What on earth does this have to do with someone calling people names? I couldn't care less about all the ideas for open-world PvP if people have to lower themselves to condescendingly using degrading terms for people who are simply discussing an idea.
To answer your question, the "derogatory terms" you refer to ("Carebear" is your go-to example of a derogatory term? Really???) annoy you because they're exactly that, insulting, right? Well, the unwillingness of many people in this thread to even give a second's thought to some of the ideas put forward, and their in-greater-numbers-than-thou-and-therefore-greater-than-thou attitude towards a substantial section of the game's community (i.e., us PvP'ers), is also derogatory in that it adds up to a lack of respect for us as people and as fellow customers of a service Turbine provides.
And as for your point about people "discussing an idea", there's actually a good number of people that have come on here and simply read the title of the thread, then gone "No! Absolutely not!". Frustration with such eloquent rebuttals and counter-arguments is bound to overflow, until you have even mild-mannered, fair-minded folks use terms as vulgar as "carebear".
Originally Posted by Widoch
I do not believe that PvP improves the quality of the LOTRO community nor do I believe it is a valuable addition to the game. Based on my experience in playing various MMOs for the past decade or so, I choose not to participate in PvP and do not enjoy it. Therefore, I would never support the development of PvP content at the expense of PvE content.
Fair enough. Do you know how many full-time PvP'ers on either side probably think, "I do not believe PvE improves the quality of the LoTRO community, nor is it a valuable addition to the game."? A good number, especially on creepside (so I assume, seeing as no-one that dislikes PvE and the levelling/gearing grind would willingly submit to those very things so they can play freepside).
Originally Posted by Widoch
So, as I said before, if there is a way for Turbine/WB to pursue PvP without it having any minus effect on PvE, I would not object as long as I never have to deal with it any form. If it ever removes anything from the PvE development and production, I would be in opposition to that allocation of resources.
For one, pretty much everyone that supported open-world PvP here also added a clause saying, "as long as those who don't want to, don't have to." That, I believe, would meet your criterion of pursuing PvP but not at the expense of PvE. And yet, you have a multitude of posts from PvE'ers vehemently opposing any such move. From the well-worded posts they've made on the matter, I'm going to infer that their opposition has nothing to do with a failure to understand the language, and everything to do with pigheadedness, a superiority complex or plain ol' apathy. Thoughts?
Also, the day Turbine decided to offer PvP as an option (the very day this game was born, I believe) was the day they shifted some resources - however small - from PvE to PvP. And seeing as a hefty portion of the post-F2P subscriptions must come from people that like freeping in the moors (plus a good number of creep vets too), I think they deserve something for it. Creep-biased guys and gals are probably gonna jump in here and say that is exactly what Turbine is doing by skewing the moors in favor of the freeps; well, this is not the place to debate that. But resources have been given over to developing PvP for five years now, mate, so it's a bit too late to gripe about it.
Personally, I like PvE a lot. However, I leveled one toon to 75 and got disillusioned by the grind. So I went and checked out PvP, loved the free-for-all aspect, and now I'm addicted. Now, given a choice, I'd much rather PvP than PvE. And yet, I don't think I've gone so far as to claim they should simply delete the PvE aspect. Why? Because there's obviously people that enjoy it, and I respect that. You, on the other hand, don't seem to.
Don't get me wrong, it's basic human nature to fight tooth-and-nail for what you like, and disregard anything you don't. If you search my forums history, you'll find tons of what you'd probably call "inane PvP banter and posturing". However, I always try to ensure my suggestions are reasonable and will do no harm where possible, only good. I suggest you reconsider your tone and/or choice of words, you'll probably realie what you said could be upsetting and pass for undeniably selfish to quite a few of your fellow players.
P.S.: If you're offended by a particular epithet, chances are you are that epithet. Most of the time, the only people who actually feel insulted by criticism are the ones who deserve it. By that very token, I'll be the first to admit that some PvP'ers are indeed snobbish towards both PvE'ers and fellow PvP'ers; that said, I don't think any PvP'er who posted in this thread was here simply to troll those who prefer PvE.
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P.S.: If you're offended by a particular epithet, chances are you are that epithet. Most of the time, the only people who actually feel insulted by criticism are the ones who deserve it. By that very token, I'll be the first to admit that some PvP'ers are indeed snobbish towards both PvE'ers and fellow PvP'ers; that said, I don't think any PvP'er who posted in this thread was here simply to troll those who prefer PvE.
You were doing so well up to the P.S.
Presumably PVPers would be offended if described as "psychos". Doesn't mean that they are.
Labels of this type are a projection onto one group of the derogatory opinions of another. Neither terminology has any place in these discussions. We are all "players", with different priorities.
Presumably PVPerswould be offended if described as "psychos". Doesn't mean that they are.
Labels of this type are a projection onto one group of the derogatory opinions of another. Neither terminology has any place in these discussions. We are all "players", with different priorities.
A very fair point, but then that's why I chose the phrase "insulted by criticism". I wasn't referring to those people that take offense to obvious, pointless, abuse, just those that rise up in arms at any criticism - be it gentle or strongly worded, and no matter how valid - thrown their way.
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A very fair point, but then that's why I chose the phrase "insulted by criticism". I wasn't referring to those people that take offense to obvious, pointless, abuse, just those that rise up in arms at any criticism - be it gentle or strongly worded, and no matter how valid - thrown their way.
Which gets to the question of who decides if the criticism is valid. Obviously the criticisor does. The criticisee may, or may not, agree. Throwing in epithets pretty much means that the argument isn't going to be judged on its merits.
Actually, 'carebear' is a pretty good term to use for people who don't like PvP because a) the people who PvP are 'mean' to them, boohoo b) they don't like dying c) they don't like virtual confrontation.
This. And every other post Dorothir made in this thread. (Now I sometimes don't like his posts, but it's posts like this, that make me think he's awesome. KEEP IT UP BRO xD)
For one, pretty much everyone that supported open-world PvP here also added a clause saying, "as long as those who don't want to, don't have to."
Is that qualifier because those using it really feel that way, or is it because without it--or something like it--the general sentiment against a Pv(M)P suggestion would be completely overwhelming?
This. And every other post Dorothir made in this thread. (Now I sometimes don't like his posts, but it's posts like this, that make me think he's awesome. KEEP IT UP BRO xD)
I always assume someone is male for some reason, but it seemed to me that he was male. I dunno, I guess because Boromir and Dorothir kinda sorta sound the same...
What if Turbine decided to get rid of PvE all together, and just make this a PvP game, with no mobs. (I know this is ridiculous and will never happen, just saying.) How mad would you be? You would be pissed off because Turbine took away what you enjoy in this game. PvE is to you, as PvP is to me, except I don't want PvE destroyed.
I have a friend who doesn't like Chinese food. My other friends and I love Chinese food. We don't often go to Chinese restaurants to accommodate the tastes of the first friend I mentioned, but every once in a while we will go, and our non-Chinese-food-eating friend will come along for the companionship.
Not surprisingly, the Chinese restaurant menu consists of Chinese food. However, on the lower right corner of the last page of the menu, under “OTHER,” there is a club sandwich on the menu. And that’s what the first friend always orders.
How would I feel if, one day, that Chinese restaurant told me that, sorry, we no longer serve Chinese food? I’d be mighty shocked. And I’d get up and go eat somewhere else. How would my non-Chinese-food-eating friend feel if they told him, sorry, we’ve decided to discontinue the club sandwich, this being a Chinese restaurant after all? He wouldn’t like it, for sure. But he wouldn’t (and shouldn’t) be totally surprised.
In this game, PvP is the club sandwich on the Chinese restaurant menu.
However, with that being said:
Customers in the restaurant who order the club sandwich are still customers and deserve to be treated as such. They're not second-class citizens, and their money is just as good as the customers who order from the main menu.
And, if I were running the restaurant and my records showed that 10 percent of my customers were ordering the club sandwich, I'd seriously consider putting more items on the menu geared directly for their consumption. But I'd find ways to do that without upsetting the customers who make up the bulk of my business.
I have a question, and maybe this is a good place to ask it. How is it that people think open world PvMP, full or limited in some way, will be more exciting than it is now? Even a second PvMP zone, as has been hinted at by Turbine, would seem only to dilute the PvPers across a larger area, making PvMP less exciting not more, wouldn't it? It seems to me, and please correct me if I am wrong, that making the Moors better/more/fun/somewhere people want to be would be the best way to encourage more fun and meaning to PvMP. What am I missing here?
I have a question, and maybe this is a good place to ask it. How is it that people think open world PvMP, full or limited in some way, will be more exciting than it is now? Even a second PvMP zone, as has been hinted at by Turbine, would seem only to dilute the PvPers across a larger area, making PvMP less exciting not more, wouldn't it? It seems to me, and please correct me if I am wrong, that making the Moors better/more/fun/somewhere people want to be would be the best way to encourage more fun and meaning to PvMP. What am I missing here?
From your initial assumption that PvMP is a good thing, to your conclusion that improving the existing PvMP zone would be better than a worldwide expansion, your reasoning is flawless. +rep for logic, although I disagree with your initial assumption.
From your initial assumption that PvMP is a good thing, to your conclusion that improving the existing PvMP zone would be better than a worldwide expansion, your reasoning is flawless. +rep for logic, although I disagree with your initial assumption.
Good thing, bad thing, it's something in the game. I have played (very limited) PvMP. I have a creep that I rolled up to try it, and my computer at the time was not up to the strain of multiple raids in one place. That said, I had a good time. It seems to me, and please correct me if I am wrong, that the group vs group aspect of PvMP is the hook that LoTRO provides. Please tell me if I am missing something here.
P.S. I just got a new video card for the computer, and maybe I'll have to see how the Moors are going...
This too. The one person I really didn't like in this thread was the selfish one who said that she doesn't want PvMP unless it doesn't take any resources from PvE, and that she wants Turbine to get rid of it. What if Turbine decided to get rid of PvE all together, and just make this a PvP game, with no mobs. (I know this is ridiculous and will never happen, just saying.) How mad would you be? You would be pissed off because Turbine took away what you enjoy in this game. PvE is to you, as PvP is to me, except I don't want PvE destroyed. Do PvPers care that PvE gets alot of attention? No. Do we want some attention to? Yes. Do we want attention to the point that there are no new updates for PvE and Turbine only focuses on us? NO. As other posters said, THERE ARE OTHER PLAYERS IN THIS GAME. Get off your high horse, and think about someone except you every once in a while. If I offended anyone, I don't mean to. Except for the selfish one, I meant to offend her slightly... CAREBEAR!!!!!
/rantoff
P.S. How in the world is carebear derogatory? If anyone called me that, that would probably be the least offensive thing I've heard anyone say to anyone in my entire life. If the person who called you a carebear meant to offend you, they would've cursed you out... Not called you a freaking carebear, like seriously?
Now not that I now loathe Widoch or anything, that is certainly not the case.
However I have found it actually very surprising how many people share similar opinions. It is never going to be many, but I find it surprising nonetheless.
Expand the PvP. I can go with that, but there must be some underlying reason they have not focused as much as some would like on the PvP. Seems to reason if it were a cash cow to them they would do so given the other areas/items they have added to the game to reap more revenue.
The budget should not effect PvE. Once again, why have they chosen to expand on PvE and neglect PvP as some claim. Could it be that they are investing where they feel the greatest return is? Could is be that like many companies, budgets are strained and they are focusing on what they can reasonably do to continue improving the game with the budget they have? Who knows?
Integrate PvP into a PvE world without effecting the PvE crowd. The suggestions are in fact good, but would the cost of the additional servers for layers be justifiable? Again, we can't answer that.
The PvE world is filled with "care bears". Indeed we are, just like the PvP world is filled with unwanted posturing and confrontations between players that many PvE players don't wish to be a part of. It's hard to sell a game as PvE friendly and with no evil player characters permitted and then change those rules 5 years down the line.
I hate the term care bear quite frankly. It's insulting and demeaning. There are many play styles in the game attracting many different types of players.
Is a PvP player that does not end game raid doing so because they are incapable of comprehending the concept of raids and high level instances? No, I don't think so.
Is a player that prefers to solo and not raid or PvP any less capable? I doubt it. The game is not rocket science. Besting another player, a boss mob or being the highest level of craft person is simply a process of doing the same thing over and over to achieve the desired results. It's more of the ability to persevere a long grind than a challenge.
No matter how we play or what we choose to do, Turbine has written the script by which we play by. Some will learn the script faster than others, but with enough repetition, the results will always be similar.
So no, many of us care bear types don't wish to see the bullies roam the PvE land. We also don't wish to enter your realm. Yes, some of us are protective/selfish in that we wish to see the budget geared towards our play style. That's the famous human element that you so proudly say makes the game a challenge.
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This. And every other post Dorothir made in this thread. (Now I sometimes don't like his posts, but it's posts like this, that make me think he's awesome. KEEP IT UP BRO xD)
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