Thread: Sixth inventory bag will be made available as part of Riders of Rohan pre-purchase?!

Originally Posted by whheydt

Show me ANY software company that DOESN'T do this. (Most goods companies do it as well, as do entertainment companies, etc. etc.) "Coming soon" is standard commercial practice. Sometimes, the item never gets released at all, hence the term "vaporware" that has been in use for at least 40 years.

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

You're quite correct, all the companies you mention advertise.

The difference in this case being the 6th bag is mentioned in the RELEASE NOTES of an Update that doesn't contain the 6th bag. Big difference between doing what we're seeing here and advertising a future pre-order perk...

Originally Posted by Sapience

Details will be coming soon. No not that soon, the real soon. But not real soon, just soon.

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Ok, I laughed.

Originally Posted by zalladi

It is typical of Turbine to advertise something that has not been released yet. Similarly, since the only way to get the bag will probably be pre-ordering RoR until the expansion is released it shows that Turbine are already trying to force customers to buy the expansion as soon as it is pre-order'able.

Watch out peeps! Make sure you know what you are buying before you buy it! I certainly won't make the same mistake with RoR as I did with Isengard.

I have no problem pre ordering it. For all it's problems(and it's got some!) this is my favorite MMO that I have ever played and I'll gladly pay for a pre order.

Originally Posted by Mark_J

You're quite correct, all the companies you mention advertise.

The difference in this case being the 6th bag is mentioned in the RELEASE NOTES of an Update that doesn't contain the 6th bag. Big difference between doing what we're seeing here and advertising a future pre-order perk...

They weren't advertising it, it was mentioned in the release notes because during this update the mechanics for the bag was included. I don't think of it as advertising but as a brief note to stave off the rampant speculation that would have ensued if they didn't say anything and someone had noticed it in game.

This way they gave us a little bit of the whole story (it would be part of the pre-release of RoR). I applaud them for giving us what information they could so far from the release of the x-pack and I wait patiently for more. There's no reason to get our panties in a bunch until we get the whole story, then we can decide how we truly feel about it.

I look at it just like the store exclusive storage (vault, shared storage), you're going to have to pay money or TP for it, there is no difference.

Originally Posted by Sapience

Details will be coming soon. No not that soon, the real soon. But not real soon, just soon.

Making fun of your customers gets you no where. Unbelievable. Being trolled by Mods.

Originally Posted by Unique

They weren't advertising it, it was mentioned in the release notes because during this update the mechanics for the bag was included. I don't think of it as advertising but as a brief note to stave off the rampant speculation that would have ensued if they didn't say anything and someone had noticed it in game.

This way they gave us a little bit of the whole story (it would be part of the pre-release of RoR). I applaud them for giving us what information they could so far from the release of the x-pack and I wait patiently for more. There's no reason to get our panties in a bunch until we get the whole story, then we can decide how we truly feel about it.

I look at it just like the store exclusive storage (vault, shared storage), you're going to have to pay money or TP for it, there is no difference.

It was ADVERTISED, if they were in the habit of 'mentioning' various stages of implementation of a new game feature/instance/etc they would have 'mentioned' the level 90 doors in Bree turning into a new Deed in the Release Notes of Update 6 but they never did.

Update 7 was anemically thin on anything new (one very short skirmish with low level rewards) so they purposely put in the 6th bag advertisement to generate some sort of positive buzz. It even had it's very own category in the Release Notes...

Originally Posted by bastardoGrande

Making fun of your customers gets you no where. Unbelievable. Being trolled by Mods.

I have to say I am getting tired of this soon BS. If they dont have a date set for something then say so or give a estimate time frame.

Originally Posted by bastardoGrande

Making fun of your customers gets you no where. Unbelievable. Being trolled by Mods.

Good gravy, bG, lighten up! I appreciate your often-opposing point of view, but life IS fun, if you let it be. I hardly consider Sapience a troll in any shape or form. Humor is good, and I for one am happy to see some of it!

Originally Posted by BentoIce

Humor is good, and I for one am happy to see some of it!

I hope you are refering to my posts ^^
Thanks for your feedback.
Have a real nice day ^^

Originally Posted by bastardoGrande

Making fun of your customers gets you no where. Unbelievable. Being trolled by Mods.

Originally Posted by Eartholloth

I have to say I am getting tired of this soon BS. If they dont have a date set for something then say so or give a estimate time frame.

Originally Posted by BentoIce

Good gravy, bG, lighten up! I appreciate your often-opposing point of view, but life IS fun, if you let it be. I hardly consider Sapience a troll in any shape or form. Humor is good, and I for one am happy to see some of it!

A troll, no. He's not making fun of anyone. He's just limited in what the marketing dept has given him permission to tell us. But I agree with Earth that the SOON™ shtick got old about two years ago. Time for a new routine.

Originally Posted by bastardoGrande

I hope you are refering to my posts ^^
Thanks for your feedback.
Have a real nice day ^^

If your posts were meant as humorous then you failed, in fact they came across so snarky I was about to put you on my ignore list.

Originally Posted by Unique

If your posts were meant as humorous then you failed, in fact they came across so snarky I was about to put you on my ignore list.

It's obvious to me that guy wasn't trying to be cute. His posts are all clear attempts to bait and troll people.

Originally Posted by Mark_J

It was ADVERTISED, if they were in the habit of 'mentioning' various stages of implementation of a new game feature/instance/etc they would have 'mentioned' the level 90 doors in Bree turning into a new Deed in the Release Notes of Update 6 but they never did.

Ahem. From the patch notes:

Misc

A certain door in Bree no longer requires level 90 to enter.

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

Originally Posted by whheydt

Ahem. From the patch notes:


--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

The door was introduced in Update 6 with no advertisement of it.
The door description was added to the Release Notes in Update 7 when the Deed was released.

The 6th bag was advertised in Update 7 but not released.
The 6th bag is not going Live until a later date.

You're making my point for me, glad you agree...

Originally Posted by Unique

They weren't advertising it, it was mentioned in the release notes because during this update the mechanics for the bag was included. I don't think of it as advertising but as a brief note to stave off the rampant speculation that would have ensued if they didn't say anything and someone had noticed it in game.

That's quite naive. Have you considered why the button for the sixth bag was included in this update? There's no earthly reason for it to be there, other than as a teaser to pimp RoR pre-orders. The whole thing is being driven by Marketing from the get-go.

Originally Posted by enginekid

It's obvious to me that guy wasn't trying to be cute. His posts are all clear attempts to bait and troll people.

He was called out earlier by a CM for spewing bad information about expansion changes that he totally made up, then told his name was illegal, and he's obviously angry and acting out now.

Anyway, 6th bag is long overdue. Glad to see it's coming. Would rather it had been part of this update, but even with the Xpac is better than 5 bags.

Originally Posted by Sardonyx

That's quite naive. Have you considered why the button for the sixth bag was included in this update? There's no earthly reason for it to be there, other than as a teaser to pimp RoR pre-orders. The whole thing is being driven by Marketing from the get-go.

Or maybe the prepurchase will be available before update 8 and you get the bag right away with prepurchase, so the UI element has to be added now for players to be able to use it...

Not everything has to be sleazily marketing-driven. Sure, it's a tease aswell, but they have to give some kind of note when they change UI to indicate a function that's still not available for some time.

The doors were sort of enough of a tease on their own, seeing as it was immediately clear that you couldn't pass them currently (as they were level 90). a UI for a sixth bag does not in itself indicate that it's not actually available yet.

Originally Posted by Cadd_EU

Or maybe the prepurchase will be available before update 8 and you get the bag right away with prepurchase, so the UI element has to be added now for players to be able to use it...

Not everything has to be sleazily marketing-driven. Sure, it's a tease aswell, but they have to give some kind of note when they change UI to indicate a function that's still not available for some time.

The doors were sort of enough of a tease on their own, seeing as it was immediately clear that you couldn't pass them currently (as they were level 90). a UI for a sixth bag does not in itself indicate that it's not actually available yet.

If the doors were "enough on their own" why wouldn't the addition of the 6th bag with a tooltip that said available at a later date on the UI be enough on it's own?

It seems quite obvious to me that the 6th bag was added for the express purpose of moving quickly past Update 7 and create buzz for their next expansion. Judging from what I've seen firsthand and read about Update 7, I can't say as I blame them...

They do this "Pre-Purchase" because it prevents people from using their Turbine Points to buy the expansion. Normal games give something like that with the expansion, not as a "pre-purchase". Its the "fine print" that they didn't tell anyone about before they started their f2p... back when they would say things like you could use the monthly points to buy the expansions, which was not totally true. They just left out the details.

Originally Posted by Cadd_EU

Or maybe the prepurchase will be available before update 8 and you get the bag right away with prepurchase, so the UI element has to be added now for players to be able to use it...

Not everything has to be sleazily marketing-driven. Sure, it's a tease aswell, but they have to give some kind of note when they change UI to indicate a function that's still not available for some time.

The doors were sort of enough of a tease on their own, seeing as it was immediately clear that you couldn't pass them currently (as they were level 90). a UI for a sixth bag does not in itself indicate that it's not actually available yet.

Are we playing the same game or do you have some magic Ui that makes the store intrusions disappear

It's that time of the year again, xpac time! Of course it is all about marketing and vague promises, open for multiple interpretations. Time for the trolls and the Turbine lovers to be ready at the keyboard!

O and what I learned from the previous xpac? No preorder for me, not even if they offer 10 additional bags....

*Grabs the popcorn*

"Turbine, we want more storage!"

Bag six in works:

"Turbine, we don't want to pay for it!"
"I don't like pre-orders. Sell it Nao in the store!"
"The store is evil! How do I get the bag without using the store if I don't pre-order?"
"Bag is clearly an advantage. They LIED! NO ADVANTAGE IN THE STORE!"
"I'm still waiting for 'x' and they make a BAG? *scoff*"
"Bag = Bug. Fix old bugs first."
"Bag is confusing. Clarify bag or die."
"They confuse us intentionally because they're greedy. Confusion = money!"
"I bet they're lying about the confusion. They lie and lie and lie"

Taking a look waayyyyy back into the horses mouth (notice I didn't say gift because it's not free) is en vouge these days...

They gave us another bag! We asked for it and they did it! No one is happy about this? Are we all insane? I don't care if I have to send them blood and $500, I want dat bag!!!!

Just an FYI, threads that have become little more than members arguing pointlessly about things other than the topic get closed.

Sapience please get Turbine to change their mind with Bag six, and have it made part of RoR, not just pre-order.
I have been VIP for years shelling out $9.99 a month. I love the game but it's unfair to make me have to pay for it.

Originally Posted by enginekid

Sapience please get Turbine to change their mind with Bag six, and have it made part of RoR, not just pre-order.
I have been VIP for years shelling out $9.99 a month. I love the game but it's unfair to make me have to pay for it.

You won't have to pay for it, if you wait until it's in the store and use earned TP to buy it, just like Shared Storage. Also, I'm guessing Sapience doesn't hold a lot of sway over what the Marketing department does.

I'm just going to restate what I've already said. We'll have more details about the extra bag soon. Beyond that I'm only going to say that some of you have hit it quite firmly on the head.

And now I'll try to help recycle some tinfoill. The current UI slot for the bag was.... a boo boo. Yep. Sorry guys it's not a nefarious plot or evil scheme it was an honest to goodness error. We first caught it literally as it was about to go live on Bullroarer. We had two options; revert everything, delay the update a good week with no other work being done other than reverting the UI, or...stick a tooltip on it that stated what it was for. We went with option 2. And since we knew that a tooltip like that was going to open up a lot of questions, we decided to clarify it in the release notes.

Also, as for the level 90 doors. We had intended to make 0 content interiors in those locations. It was bugged when we went live and so level 90 restrictions were placed on them. Again, easy and quicker than ripping them back out. Instead of just fixing them for the next release, the person responsible thought players would like a fun little quest instead of just interesting, content-less, interiors. So there was never anything to promote. It was a little bit of spontaneous bonus content thrown in for fun.

not sure what all the hoo ha is about but meh *shrugs*
Thank you for the 6th bag! Cant wait to get it and as a collector of all things lotro ill be pre ordering, always have always will!
Fanboy and proud of it!!

Originally Posted by Nilsric

It's that time of the year again, xpac time! Of course it is all about marketing and vague promises, open for multiple interpretations. Time for the trolls and the Turbine lovers to be ready at the keyboard!

The Old Woman of the Mountain says we should not trust Turbine.

Originally Posted by Sapience

Also, as for the level 90 doors. We had intended to make 0 content interiors in those locations. It was bugged when we went live and so level 90 restrictions were placed on them. Again, easy and quicker than ripping them back out. Instead of just fixing them for the next release, the person responsible thought players would like a fun little quest instead of just interesting, content-less, interiors. So there was never anything to promote. It was a little bit of spontaneous bonus content thrown in for fun.

And a hearty THANK YOU to the person responsible. That little quest chain is the most non-killing fun I've had in a while in the game. And the music in the Staddle home is a delight.

Turtles! Turtles!

I have something new to chuckle about. Bravo!

Cheers,
Gloimli @ Windfola

Originally Posted by Sapience

We had two options; revert everything, delay the update a good week with no other work being done other than reverting the UI, or...stick a tooltip on it that stated what it was for. We went with option 2. And since we knew that a tooltip like that was going to open up a lot of questions, we decided to clarify it in the release notes.

So it takes youre entire dev team "a week" to fix a simple UI problem? Wow.

Honestly, I would have rather had it delayed until the end of May so all the new bugs that have popped up with Update 7 could be fixed as well.

Not sure what the rush was to have it out this week.

Originally Posted by hex2323

"Turbine, we want more storage!"

Bag six in works:

"Turbine, we don't want to pay for it!"
"I don't like pre-orders. Sell it Nao in the store!"
"The store is evil! How do I get the bag without using the store if I don't pre-order?"
"Bag is clearly an advantage. They LIED! NO ADVANTAGE IN THE STORE!"
"I'm still waiting for 'x' and they make a BAG? *scoff*"
"Bag = Bug. Fix old bugs first."
"Bag is confusing. Clarify bag or die."
"They confuse us intentionally because they're greedy. Confusion = money!"
"I bet they're lying about the confusion. They lie and lie and lie"

Taking a look waayyyyy back into the horses mouth (notice I didn't say gift because it's not free) is en vouge these days...

They gave us another bag! We asked for it and they did it! No one is happy about this? Are we all insane? I don't care if I have to send them blood and $500, I want dat bag!!!!

Agreed! I laughed when I read this. + rep to you!

Originally Posted by Elderban

So it takes youre entire dev team "a week" to fix a simple UI problem? Wow.

Your comment, petty as it is, would be more worthwhile were you to demonstrate any actual knowledge of how software development works. Fixing the issue wouldn't be the time sink. Regression testing on all the code added to the game since the UI issue was introduced is the issue. If they go back and knock a brick out of the foundation, they then have to spend time confirming that the rest of the structure remains sound. Yes, even when that brick doesn't seem to be doing much other than sitting there.

But hey, picking apart what "authority figures" say and parsing their words as uncharitably as possible is what the internet is for. . . apparently. So knock yourself out.

Originally Posted by BINKLEY1

And a hearty THANK YOU to the person responsible. That little quest chain is the most non-killing fun I've had in a while in the game. And the music in the Staddle home is a delight.

Turtles! Turtles!

I have something new to chuckle about. Bravo!

Cheers,
Gloimli @ Windfola

Add my thanks too. It's a fine bit of fun!

Originally Posted by hex2323

They gave us another bag! We asked for it and they did it! No one is happy about this? Are we all insane? I don't care if I have to send them blood and $500, I want dat bag!!!!

I'm happy about it and I'm willing to wait for RoR. Since I'd be pre-ordering RoR anyway, the bag is--for me--effectively, free.

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

Originally Posted by Hurin

Your comment, petty as it is, would be more worthwhile were you to demonstrate any actual knowledge of how software development works. Fixing the issue wouldn't be the time sink. Regression testing on all the code added to the game since the UI issue was introduced is the issue. If they go back and knock a brick out of the foundation, they then have to spend time confirming that the rest of the structure remains sound. Yes, even when that brick doesn't seem to be doing much other than sitting there.

But hey, picking apart what "authority figures" say and parsing their words as uncharitably as possible is what the internet is for. . . apparently. So knock yourself out.

Perhaps you didn't read the rest of my post? As I stated I am not sure what the rush was to get it out this week. But, I don't green-light the releases, so I can't really answer that.

And, as for my "actual knowledge of software development", while I may not be creating MMO's, I am proficient with PHP, MySQL, HTML, CSS, dBase, C++, Visual Basic and ASP just to name a few...and have even coded in Pascal and Assembly in my time. Does that qualify?

Originally Posted by Elderban

And, as for my "actual knowledge of software development", while I may not be creating MMO's, I am proficient with PHP, MySQL, HTML, CSS, dBase, C++, Visual Basic and ASP just to name a few...and have even coded in Pascal and Assembly in my time. Does that qualify?

Well, that's worse then. Shame on you for saying what you did even though you should know better.

Perhaps you didn't read the rest of my post?

The rest of your post was irrelevant to your snarky 'So it takes youre entire dev team "a week" to fix a simple UI problem? Wow.' remark.

Indeed, not just irrelevant, but somewhat at odds with what you then went on to say. It would seem you want to have it both ways. You want to question how slowly/inefficiently they're working while also questioning whether they released the update too quickly/prematurely.

Nice!

--H

Originally Posted by enginekid

Sapience please get Turbine to change their mind with Bag six, and have it made part of RoR, not just pre-order.
I have been VIP for years shelling out $9.99 a month. I love the game but it's unfair to make me have to pay for it.

What difference would it make if it was part of RoR or just part of the Pre-order? It's not like VIP's get it free, and all they would do is raise the TP cost of RoR to compensate so all it would accomplish is that you pay more TP for RoR and others lose the chance to get the bag as a free bonus.

Putting it in the actual expansion would cost them sales of the 6th bag from new players that want another bag but who are no where near RoR and don't want to shell out that much TP.

It was always intended that everyone buys expansions.......even VIP's so it is fair to make you have to pay for it. Expansions are not a perk of VIP, but if you save all your stipends you can make it free-sort of.

Putting it in as a pre-order bonus then in the store afterwards (hopefully with a per character/per account option, or just per account) is the best course. Of course free would be better but they have to run a business so this is what we have.

And before you go........well she's lifetime and doesn't understand. I am not financially able to pre-order for either of my 2 accounts and I don't see that changing so I won't be getting the 6th bag I want badly for a very long time, but I still agree with how they are doing it because so many others will benefit from it.

I agree with Hex...I'm very happy to be getting a sixth bag. I will be pre-ordering RoR regardless of whether there's a sixth bag or not, so for me...it's a big bonus! Thank you Turbine.

Originally Posted by hex2323

"Turbine, we want more storage!"

Bag six in works:

"Turbine, we don't want to pay for it!"
"I don't like pre-orders. Sell it Nao in the store!"
"The store is evil! How do I get the bag without using the store if I don't pre-order?"
"Bag is clearly an advantage. They LIED! NO ADVANTAGE IN THE STORE!"
"I'm still waiting for 'x' and they make a BAG? *scoff*"
"Bag = Bug. Fix old bugs first."
"Bag is confusing. Clarify bag or die."
"They confuse us intentionally because they're greedy. Confusion = money!"
"I bet they're lying about the confusion. They lie and lie and lie"

Taking a look waayyyyy back into the horses mouth (notice I didn't say gift because it's not free) is en vouge these days...

They gave us another bag! We asked for it and they did it! No one is happy about this? Are we all insane? I don't care if I have to send them blood and $500, I want dat bag!!!!

While your pricing may be a bit on the high side for my tastes, your logic is sound. People want more bag space, it looks like they are making more bag space, what's to complain about?

Originally Posted by Unique

Putting it in the actual expansion would cost them sales of the 6th bag from new players that want another bag but who are no where near RoR and don't want to shell out that much TP.

No, no, no!! Hehe

You don't understand. I think the infamous 6th Bag should be **free** to all players.

You see, regardless of whether you spend $120 a year on subbing, or you spend little to no money, I believe the 6th Bag is actually required now for this ever expanding game.

As time has gone on, this game has grown so big, that all my characters inventories are constantly full. It's true that we tend to fill up any new space we get regardless, but the thing to me is, with every new zone, and every new Reputation Faction, and every other new thing out there (eg. growing numbers of cosmetics, and housing decorations), it's inevitable that the basic space our characters have access to should also be expanded to compensate.

That's why I think the 6th Bag could simply come with RoR as part and parcel of the expanding game.

Originally Posted by enginekid

No, no, no!! Hehe

You don't understand. I think the infamous 6th Bag should be **free** to all players.

You see, regardless of whether you spend $120 a year on subbing, or you spend little to no money, I believe the 6th Bag is actually required now for this ever expanding game.

As time has gone on, this game has grown so big, that all my characters inventories are constantly full. It's true that we tend to fill up any new space we get regardless, but the thing to me is, with every new zone, and every new Reputation Faction, and every other new thing out there (eg. growing numbers of cosmetics, and housing decorations), it's inevitable that the basic space our characters have access to should also be expanded to compensate.

That's why I think the 6th Bag could simply come with RoR as part and parcel of the expanding game.

Much as I'll enjoy the 6th bag, I don't think this is quite fair. We've seen at least three changes made to free up inventory space: crafting recipe scroll boxes (which are more likely to stack than individual recipes), the premium wallet and the conversion of rep items into consumables. (No need to ever have more than one slot for rep items again; if you consume them immediately, you can use that single slot for several items taken off of the same mob. Takes time, but it's doable.) Taking all that into account, I don't think we need the bag now more than ever; it's always been very desirable and it still is.