smarter creeps would help stopping the feed, but we lack such thing.
It's only "feeding" if you get nothing in return. And most of the (ranked) creeps derided for "feeding" actually do pretty damn well in terms of infamy gain, KB's, etc. etc. etc.
I'd rather have fun playing a video game brainlessly, but with principles and - I'll say it - balls rather than be "smart" (read: a cowardly NPC-hugging maggot).
On a side note, I just realized I seem to have an unhealthy fascination for forms of the word 'deride'!
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Oh well then i said it wrong, i don't mean poohsee, i just mean using a tactic.
The thing is, when the rez farm is set up with all their (out of and also in group) heals, it gets annoying that the same 3 greenies keep going out and being farmed, and it gets more upsetting that freeps are willing to sit in the rez and kill the same creep over and over again. So since freeps are not stopping their ez mode, the only way to cut it off is to a) not go out of the rez if you're gonna get your charge off and then just blow up b) start a group that can hold their ground against those, which sometimes is impossible with the number (or rather rank) of creeps online.
I always rather b, that's why, if im on, im on that side of the rez, but it's just not happening some times.
Trufax. But when you consider that, like you said, new creeps are the ones being farmed by ranked players, you can hardly call the victims dumb. It's far more likely, methinks, that they just don't know their options (not to mention - though I'm now going to - that they will probably have no maps and thus no way of escaping their oppressors at all).
As far as (b) goes, here's where the common freep excuse "creeps never group up!" becomes valid. I've tried time and again to get groups going to break up a rez camp and give the freeps a fight. Suffice to say that if you see me repeatedly map GTA/GLugz/OC etc. at a rez camp and try to solo-flank the campers to pick off a weak(ish) target, you can assume I've tried and failed to get creeps to form up.
Renamed was in that group thomas but had lvled the nite before when creeps and freeps were battling on ta lawn for almost 2 hours fairly evenly getting several kills on both sides. the group you are refering to was at oc he was the one that left the group cause it was ezmoding all be it after 40min and didnt come back out so if you are going to put people on blast you should get your facts straight.
The thing is, my kinmate wasn't sitting there with a heal traited mini, 2 other hunters, and a captain (i might have made up the cappy but the mini traited heals and the hunters were there, oh, and forgot the burg). Even then, i considered it to be lame and really disappointing from him, so i made sure i told him many, many times throughout his push, and got him to agree to creep when he ranked. It would be hypocrite of me not to do so, and you can ask anyone in kin or him for that matter.
As it has been said, having my main freep a totally ezmoding class i do my best to find challenges for me.
Also, i have no issue with renamed. I've even grouped with him a couple of times when the amount of creeps called for an open raid, it's just the lame playstyle that one would expect someone high ranked and on the moors wouldn't have.
This non stop grats posts for the same bunch of rez farmers are getting old. Ranking has no merit when you do it like that. Granted, smarter creeps would help stopping the feed, but we lack such thing.
I think i made myself clear, i do not hold a grudge against anyone, after all we're just players behind a computer. Since pvp is community based, we have to do OUR best to keep it fun and cool.
ps: i've been pvping for 6 months so im no veteran but yes, i do spew negative trash. Also, been creeping a lot not to be a part of the problem Cirr, and not soloing a warg, but rather starting groups on a ba.
I have seen nearly every freep do what you described above.
Renamed was in that group thomas but had lvled the nite before when creeps and freeps were battling on ta lawn for almost 2 hours fairly evenly getting several kills on both sides. the group you are refering to was at oc he was the one that left the group cause it was ezmoding all be it after 40min and didnt come back out so if you are going to put people on blast you should get your facts straight.
So Tom wrongly used a particular incident as an example... Big deal. It's not like this has happened only once or twice, Windy rez camps are a daily thing, and it's the very same people that do it every single time. And Renamed is one of the perpetrators (unless, of course, he's completely changed in the few days I've been away... You know, I'm inclined to disregard that possibility).
Btw, the TA lawn "battles" on Windy? That's a misnomer, seeing as for the most part it's a bunch of freeps solo-zerging and a bunch of pansy creeps hugging NPCs, roasting marshmallows and swapping ghost stories while they wait for the inevitable PvE zerg.
Yes, not only do those two distinct kinds of zergs exist, but they do so harmoniously and even co-dependently. I believe they have an arrangement where S. Zerg cooks food and P. Zerg does the dishes...
Originally Posted by jfindlay
I have seen nearly every freep do what you described above.
I have seen nearly every freep do what you described above.
Indeed! Im pretty sure i've done it, and even more than once. The point is realising the lameness (if im allowed to make up words) rather than making it the usual action.
Also, what shap said. One particular example of the daily basis behaviour of some freeps.
Indeed! Im pretty sure i've done it, and even more than once. The point is realising the lameness (if im allowed to make up words) rather than making it the usual action.
Also, what shap said. One particular example of the daily basis behaviour of some freeps.
The problem T, (flipping) is that your kind of thinking is the exception and not the rule. Many of the freeps that contribute to rez farms, I am convinced, are actually looking for that kind of action. Too many times I have been waiting in the rez circle for numbers to thin, only to see more horses galloping in. The best part is that they actually pretend to not know that it's a 'rez farm'.
No no... The best part is that they're all still easy kills.
Some of the greenies are indeed fairly easy kills. However, when you count the sheer numbers, current imbalance situation and creeps' refusal to group up even against such odds, you get a pretty bleak picture, no?
Some of the greenies are indeed fairly easy kills. However, when you count the sheer numbers, current imbalance situation and creeps' refusal to group up even against such odds, you get a pretty bleak picture, no?
It would be bleak if there wasn't always some newbie hunter brave (or foolish?) enough to chase his track when I 'forget' to drop it.
The problem T, (flipping) is that your kind of thinking is the exception and not the rule. Many of the freeps that contribute to rez farms, I am convinced, are actually looking for that kind of action. Too many times I have been waiting in the rez circle for numbers to thin, only to see more horses galloping in. The best part is that they actually pretend to not know that it's a 'rez farm'.
The best part is whenever I call freeps out on it and tell them to back off to EC or something of the like, I get told, "I don't see a rez camp what are you talking about." Everytime there is one at OC I kindly tell freeps to back off, then ride my horse to EC and wait till I see the inevitable, "OMG the wargs killed us QQ they are just sitting in rez QQ".
Meh, I'm used to the action on Windfola I don't see why people even try changing other's ways.
Indeed! Im pretty sure i've done it, and even more than once. The point is realising the lameness (if im allowed to make up words) rather than making it the usual action.
Also, what shap said. One particular example of the daily basis behaviour of some freeps.
So if this is so regular activity for all Windfolian freeps, yourself included in your own words, why call someone out for it? I'm not disagreeing with Fin's assertion. In fact, I couldn't agree more.
What this gets down to is some undefinable and unimportant Antithesis and Friends vs. Viaticus and Friends grudge where each group (mine included) is calling out the other for things the accuser is just as guilty of in the first place. Honestly it's a little tiring, and as much as the forum pvp amuses some of us, try at least to come up with a valid angle.
Cirq - r12 LM - Apex - Elendilmir
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"Sometimes survival comes down to not being hit. Actually, most times."
So if this is so regular activity for all Windfolian freeps, yourself included in your own words, why call someone out for it? I'm not disagreeing with Fin's assertion. In fact, I couldn't agree more.
What this gets down to is some undefinable and unimportant Antithesis and Friends vs. Viaticus and Friends grudge where each group (mine included) is calling out the other for things the accuser is just as guilty of in the first place. Honestly it's a little tiring, and as much as the forum pvp amuses some of us, try at least to come up with a valid angle.
1. Might I direct your attention to the bit where he said something about changing your ways rather than sticking to the easy-peasy-lemon-squeezy?
2. I'm not here to support or oppose any particular group of people, seeing as I have friends in both kins. I'm here just to vilify and ridicule anyone that, in my eyes, plays w/o dignity and an attitude of mutual respect towards their fellow players (moi!) as far as play styles are concerned.
There are people in both kins that play exactly like Fin said, and there's also those that either never did, or used to but realized how lame it was and switched it around. This whole "people of a kin play exactly alike!" brooha is just about the most hilarious assertion, like, ever!
What this gets down to is some undefinable and unimportant Antithesis and Friends vs. Viaticus and Friends grudge where each group (mine included) is calling out the other for things the accuser is just as guilty of in the first place. Honestly it's a little tiring, and as much as the forum pvp amuses some of us, try at least to come up with a valid angle.
This is definitely not a kin v kin w/friend pvp thread.....=/
Oh, just about everything is if you look really hard and jumble up people's words a bit.
Maybe you want to see something not there.
But maybe you're right.
I do hope i was all antithesis (since 50, or idk how many we are, of myself would be quite awesome) (sorry i got it from ygaer), and i would also hope this was only Viaticus. Sadly, there's some other kinships grouping to rez camp but do not get forum's posts i can rant on.
Anyways. Now i got skirmisher stance im pwning every rez camp
Props to the creeps I had a 5v1 with, which lasted for almost 10 minutes (no deaths) with me fully DPS specced. Was pretty intense.
Took and dealt over 100k damage.
Props to the creeps I had a 5v1 with, which lasted for almost 10 minutes (no deaths) with me fully DPS specced. Was pretty intense.
Took and dealt over 100k damage.
Were they ranked....? Were any blackarrows....? =(
Props to the creeps I had a 5v1 with, which lasted for almost 10 minutes (no deaths) with me fully DPS specced. Was pretty intense.
Took and dealt over 100k damage.
Do you have the SS and remember ranks/class distribution? Because thats pretty ridiculous.
The best I've managed was in godmode (35 second bubble and free bracing attack is pretty lolworthy) traits against a R7 defiler and 2 BAs, R7 and R12. Killed the 12 once, and the 7's twice each. Ended up doing ~70k damage. But it's worthy mentioning that they were all really bad and it was 50m from the rez circle.
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Do you have the SS and remember ranks/class distribution? Because thats pretty ridiculous.
The best I've managed was in godmode (35 second bubble and free bracing attack is pretty lolworthy) traits against a R7 defiler and 2 BAs, R7 and R12. Killed the 12 once, and the 7's twice each. Ended up doing ~70k damage. But it's worthy mentioning that they were all really bad and it was 50m from the rez circle.
Using the purest logic...i deduce I was the rank 12?
Do you have the SS and remember ranks/class distribution? Because thats pretty ridiculous.
The best I've managed was in godmode (35 second bubble and free bracing attack is pretty lolworthy) traits against a R7 defiler and 2 BAs, R7 and R12. Killed the 12 once, and the 7's twice each. Ended up doing ~70k damage. But it's worthy mentioning that they were all really bad and it was 50m from the rez circle.
Fight lasted 8min 54.3sec
117.5k DPS, 220.5 dps
heals is 86,691 for a total of 162.3 hps
202.8 TPS, a total of 108.4k damage received
Sorry for the quality
Was vs 3 warleaders, CSIettenmoors, Mrbadass, Nitcheo (rank 3)
One warg - Lowball (rank 6?)
One BA - Gonelimp rank 7
I almost killed gonelimp twice, and lowball about 5 or 6 times. They pulled out and healed up before I could deliver the kb.
I ended up letting them kill me in the water west of stab because I got bored. That still took too long.
I would assume these are creeps who all (perhaps not nitcheo) have bought their stuff.
But yeah, anyone who thinks that freepside pvp isn't a joke needs their head checked. ;D
How I long for the days before it was obscenely godmode as a freep.
Also I had a warden run to npcs twice from me solo today.... Both times he was nearly dead and I was near full life. Thought you might find that amusing
Also I had a warden run to npcs twice from me solo today.... Both times he was nearly dead and I was near full life. Thought you might find that amusing
The difference between a good warden and a bad warden is so obvious....
Kind of like the difference between a good burg and a bad burg.
I feel like player skill on those two classes matter moreso than any others, freepside.
Also I had a warden run to npcs twice from me solo today.... Both times he was nearly dead and I was near full life. Thought you might find that amusing
I had a r10 champ run away into ec from my ba.
Thought you guys might find that amusing in this thread
I find it amussing that Windy's highest ranked creep has to pop brands to pounce a Solo RK WHILE in a warg pack. He pops it even if I don't touch him. Just funny, And sad. But thanks for the 188 renown from one of the star hugging wargs. Think it was Snicksnack, Can't recall.
Speaking of sad, Most of the freeps sat in rez (being rez camped, While 2 RKs ran out everytime trying to get kills and mostly died), scared, until they got their confort blanket (Cappy and heals group) then went and rez camped the creeps. I just find most people out here pathetic. No sense of honour or dignity. They complain when they get rez camped but then go and camp the creeps an hour later.
Whelp, Thanks for killing the action again creeps/freeps. It's not just one side. It's how certain people on each side plays.
Meh, Like I said theres no sense trying changing people in Windy. 12 ranks later and they still can't solo. Or 75 levels later and they still have no sense of their abilitly's outside of a group. Any class can solo.
They complain when they get rez camped but then go and camp the creeps an hour later.
"Well they started it!!!"
Originally Posted by TylerM95
Whelp, Thanks for killing the action again creeps/freeps. It's not just one side. It's how certain people on each side plays.
Qft. Literally, in this case.
Originally Posted by TylerM95
Meh, Like I said theres no sense trying changing people in Windy. 12 ranks later and they still can't solo. Or 75 levels later and they still have no sense of their abilitly's outside of a group. Any class can solo.
Try telling a defiler or WL that, their solo'ability is severely hampered by a lack of, Idk, anything that amounts to DPS. Heck, the same is true for spiders, too. And reaver DPS has been destroyed by Audacity, which means once their charge wears off, they're dead. Unless it's a melee freep, 'course.
Oh, and the same is true to quite some extent for BA's as well. Unless I run into a couple hunters, I can kill very little on my own (assuming the freeps aren't greenies and know how to play their classes, of course).
You should amend that to "any freep/warg can solo."
Originally Posted by TylerM95
Lrn2solo.
Idk, the way I see it, people don't necessarily have to solo. Heck, it's not like most of the solo zerging freeps and creeps hypocritically claim to be solo'ing (with exceptions ).
Personally, I take issue with the people who won't solo, will zerg anything that moves (including NPC's lololol), and then whine and run to NPC's if they're zerged back.
Zerg and be zerged! And fight to the death, whether that takes a minute or a day, whether you give infamy/renown to one or a hundred.
Oh, and don't CC-lock the solo'ers that do run into your little zergballs. It's like using ten bazookas to blow up your opponent in a boxing match.
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I find it amussing that Windy's highest ranked creep has to pop brands to pounce a Solo RK WHILE in a warg pack. He pops it even if I don't touch him. Just funny, And sad. But thanks for the 188 renown from one of the star hugging wargs. Think it was Snicksnack, Can't recall.
Speaking of sad, Most of the freeps sat in rez (being rez camped, While 2 RKs ran out everytime trying to get kills and mostly died), scared, until they got their confort blanket (Cappy and heals group) then went and rez camped the creeps. I just find most people out here pathetic. No sense of honour or dignity. They complain when they get rez camped but then go and camp the creeps an hour later.
Whelp, Thanks for killing the action again creeps/freeps. It's not just one side. It's how certain people on each side plays.
Meh, Like I said theres no sense trying changing people in Windy. 12 ranks later and they still can't solo. Or 75 levels later and they still have no sense of their abilitly's outside of a group. Any class can solo.
Lrn2solo.
-Cupo
Perhaps you are unaware how bad creepside is compared to freepside.
Perhaps you are unaware how bad creepside is compared to freepside.
Log on some time and prove you're still alive and that this isn't someone/something else posting on your account, Failstrictions. Or there will be consequences.
I find it amussing that Windy's highest ranked creep has to pop brands to pounce a Solo RK WHILE in a warg pack. He pops it even if I don't touch him. Just funny, And sad. But thanks for the 188 renown from one of the star hugging wargs. Think it was Snicksnack, Can't recall.
Speaking of sad, Most of the freeps sat in rez (being rez camped, While 2 RKs ran out everytime trying to get kills and mostly died), scared, until they got their confort blanket (Cappy and heals group) then went and rez camped the creeps. I just find most people out here pathetic. No sense of honour or dignity. They complain when they get rez camped but then go and camp the creeps an hour later.
Whelp, Thanks for killing the action again creeps/freeps. It's not just one side. It's how certain people on each side plays.
-Cupo
Rank means nothing.
That said, yesterday was pretty sad. I was creep, we had a group of 4 and were having good fights until a nasty 6 or 7 warg pack showed up and with our numbers it became a rez camp. Freeps, in spite of having numbers to roll us, were hugging the rez until one of the freep raid "leaders" (aka pve zerger) showed up and got a zergy group that the few visible there were no longer able to handle open field/in the rez. We folded into ta, just to watch them slow pull the keep instead of trying to fight us so we logged . I can imagine how it became a rez camp after that.
Thanks for pushing though, and find a new target instead of my pale ba
And yes, for a while creeps camped the rez. Funny.
I also think he meant that every class FREEPside can solo. Would be silly otherwise.
to Shap:
Cons has been playing, in fact Fondor led a raid the other day that facerolled the freep zerg right next to their rez.
Rank means nothing.
That said, yesterday was pretty sad. I was creep, we had a group of 4 and were having good fights until a nasty 6 or 7 warg pack showed up and with our numbers it became a rez camp. Freeps, in spite of having numbers to roll us, were hugging the rez until one of the freep raid "leaders" (aka pve zerger) showed up and got a zergy group that the few visible there were no longer able to handle open field/in the rez. We folded into ta, just to watch them slow pull the keep instead of trying to fight us so we logged . I can imagine how it became a rez camp after that.
Thanks for pushing though, and find a new target instead of my pale ba
And yes, for a while creeps camped the rez. Funny.
Lol, I know who you are talking about. And Yes I was mainly referring to freepside but also towards wargs. It's true, THEY CAN SOLO. I have a r6 and solo. And regarding WLs & Defilers, Yes they can not solo even at higher ranks. That being said you don't see a pack of them running around. That comment was mainly directed at wargs who go beyond r10 still packing. IT's fine every once in ahwile but when you have to do it and pop your r12 brand it's sad.
And sorry thomas your usually my first target just due to being pale. No joke. Hahah. But yeah you guys got a bunch of kills on me, But I hope you guys appreciate my going into TA every hour with elf stealth and reaking some havoc. That bush in courtyard is great
You should amend that to "any freep/warg can solo."
Idk, the way I see it, people don't necessarily have to solo. Heck, it's not like most of the solo zerging freeps and creeps hypocritically claim to be solo'ing (with exceptions ).
Personally, I take issue with the people who won't solo, will zerg anything that moves (including NPC's lololol), and then whine and run to NPC's if they're zerged back.
Zerg and be zerged! And fight to the death, whether that takes a minute or a day, whether you give infamy/renown to one or a hundred.
Oh, and don't CC-lock the solo'ers that do run into your little zergballs. It's like using ten bazookas to blow up your opponent in a boxing match.
I should have been more clear. Yes grouping is fine but if you ONLY group in the moors and have no idea what to do without your blanket then don't expect respect from me or any others. It's sad when you can go ranks and ranks without any abilitly to solo a creeps. There's alot more of this on freepside. It's always appropriote to group when it is NEEDED. But the common mindset is once you get killed there MUST be a raid to stop these horrible monsters. And then it either turns into a PvE zerg and a facerollin' rez camp.
I know I am part of the "solo zerg" sometimes. But how can one avoid it. It's most often creep "solo zerg" vs. freep "solo zerg". If you go and try to find other solo'ers 9 times out of 10 you find a few high ranked wargs packed up or some greenie killing Hoarhollow farmers. (sp)
IT's fine every once in ahwile but when you have to do it and pop your r12 brand it's sad.
You know
Aerdred uses his brand quite frequently while playing
And as a creep (and long time opponent) I found it quite an...aggravating and slightly unnecessary precaution to the death of his already tankish class
There was one time where in a 2v4, he popped it and ran and ##### my face, with 3 other freeps....so I decided to flip over freepside and talk to him about it, because I was heated and it had been happening all day.
Honestly, his explanation in regards to his thought process and his reasoning behind his constant-use of his brand was very thorough, it gave me quite a new outlook on it.
During that push i may have done a total of 300 damage to his guard. Obviously, I was obliterated, and couldn't do anything in return, regardless of all the ncps he had pulled, and all the (loosely termed) cooldowns i popped. And even though I was furious that he felt the need to do such an uneccesary thing to kill a single non-stealth creep...I was okay with it after he explained it.
I'm not saying it SHOULD be used to kill solo people...but...if you actually take the time to try to ask your opponent in a clear/concise/respective manner....and if they happen to NOT troll you (rarely happens) then you may actually get a good response, which can turn into a nice, respecful, constructive conversation on the subject. Remember Cupo, a runekeeper DOES have the ability to kill a creep in 4 hits or less....Look at Ygaer, look at glasscanon... And If sic is using his brand against you by himself....take it more as a sign of respect that he sees you as a threat more than anything
Granted I hate wargs, and I think they're very....meh....but....at least try to talk to scoob or sic...it may help you understand their thoughts, and see through their eyes how the zerg looked. There's always more than one possible perspective when it comes to the moors. That's the beauty of it all....all the potential variables/hazzards!
I find it amussing that Windy's highest ranked creep has to pop brands to pounce a Solo RK WHILE in a warg pack. He pops it even if I don't touch him. Just funny, And sad. But thanks for the 188 renown from one of the star hugging wargs. Think it was Snicksnack, Can't recall.
-Cupo
Cupo/Cuppo, your welcome for the 188 renown. Wish I could say the same for how much any of your toons are worth. You’re a very good RK and also a fellow warg. Not sure about the starhugging comment…I’ve only been in the moors about 3-4 months and stars aren’t the issue that I heard they were in the past. What I do care about is playing my warg the best way I believe the class was intended. As a squishy single target melee stealth class, I stealth-pounce-kb then restealth and do it over and over again successfully while denying the freeps the kb. If repeatedly killing freeps while not being killed is starhugging, guess I’m a very good starhugger. BTW the only reason the R13 warg was packed with me is because I’m a relative noob and he’s teaching me the ropes. As most creeps can attest to, I am solo 90% of the time I am in the moors.
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