Thread: Great River weapon bug

I feel like this deserves its own thread up here. Is the nerf of the Great River weapons (my Great River Axe of Strength lost its physical mastery) intended? It's a pretty big thing to not mention if so. If so I need to figure out where to get a decent off-hand weapon since ToO pugs are rarely run on my server and I can't be running around Moors short all that damage. Spent 20kg on buying it though so sort of annoying if you all nerfed it on purpose.

The Physical Mastery is still on the weapon it just isn't showing up on the tool tip. If you remove it, you will see your PM go down by 630. Replace it and it goes back up. Just missing from the tool tip when you mouse over it.

Originally Posted by orangeman

The Physical Mastery is still on the weapon it just isn't showing up on the tool tip. If you remove it, you will see your PM go down by 630. Replace it and it goes back up. Just missing from the tool tip when you mouse over it.

My GR Dagger of Dex doesn't work like that.

5980 morale with it equipped. 5884 without it. That covers the 32 vit (hunter) on it, but not the now-missing 270 morale that's also supposed to be on it.

Originally Posted by orangeman

The Physical Mastery is still on the weapon it just isn't showing up on the tool tip. If you remove it, you will see your PM go down by 630. Replace it and it goes back up. Just missing from the tool tip when you mouse over it.

Not the case with the Polished Dagger of Combat, take it off, phys mastery lower than it was yesterday, put it on, unchanged. I had to spend to craft a replacement offhand. :-(



"Sometimes survival comes down to not being hit. Actually, most times." -the chicken skill, Bob and Weave

Thrill us with a response Devs. Inquiring minds etc. etc.....

Yea this is a sweet one, there are 2 responses I can imagine;

1: yes we gave those items more power than we intended and scaled to the correct amount..or some such nonsense.

2: no they were changed by accident

What an enquiring mind would love to understand..

1: if they were too powerful why are you yet again selling items that increase our power in the same breath

2: how many accidents can happen? this type of stuff happens a bit in the history of Turbine. (to us old timers anyway)

Alternate hypothesis, Turbine has 2 or more groups working independently with different expectations on what reward should be (see 450+ medallions in 30 minutes via foundry vs. any skirmish rate you can name) who maybe talk to each other but really have no idea what the other is doing, occassionaly they war with each other and the nerf team wins.

...or some other conspiracy theory that may or may not be legitimate.

It's not just Physical mastery they lost, the daggers lost 270 morale. I don't know about other players but I take a lot of time building a character where every piece is important to achieve the end result desired. Drastic changes like this can change the entire armour selection and Seals don't exactly grow on trees.

Why doesn't Turbine just let us know these things BEFORE we count on them staying the way they are released?

Only reason I ever got the Great River stuff was for PM. If that has been taken away, I want a refund of all the gold I spent on it (2 earrings, 1 necklace and 1 helmet, around 70 Gold).

As for Turbine, what seems crystal clear to me is that the development department or whatever it's called lacks a central leadership. It seems there's no single individual or team responsible for getting everything the developers are doing and make sense of it, or for keeping the developers on the right direction. It feels like Team A works on Champs, Team B develops Hunters, Team C is doing landscapes, Team D is watching over Burgs and Minis... While Team E is trying to make sense of Hunters and Minis even if that goes against everything Team B and Team D have been doing so far. And I'm not saying anything about the same thing going on regarding all the other classes, skills, abilities, so far and so forth.

Originally Posted by Fudoshin

1: yes we gave those items more power than we intended and scaled to the correct amount..or some such nonsense.

...

1: if they were too powerful why are you yet again selling items that increase our power in the same breath

The were too powerful to allow them to sell items to increase our power. :P

This was reported on BR as a bug and yet they did fix it before putting it live like always. Champion Swift Strike graphic is bugged just like on test server. Crystals not updating the LI correctly is a bug that was on test, Fornot not giving seals is a bug that was on test that went live. I do not understand the purpose of a test server if the devs are not gonna fix the bugs before making them live.

It had better be a bug. I /bug'd it; did you?

Checked on my Weaponsmith and discovered that Great River Axes & Daggers had stats removed (physical mastery & morale (daggers)).

However the Maces & Swords were left alone and still have the same stats as prior to update 7.
That seems to indicate that the missing stats on Daggers & Axes is a glitch and will hopefully be corrected "at some point in the future".

problem is "in the future" can mean anything from 5 years (new PvP map) to a couple of hours (the store being down)

Originally Posted by Grhysli

However the Maces & Swords were left alone and still have the same stats as prior to update 7.
That seems to indicate that the missing stats on Daggers & Axes is a glitch and will hopefully be corrected "at some point in the future".

I am thinking this is a glitch too... It is noticeable that only the FOURTH stat on each item was removed. Logically, one would think that if the devs purposely removed a stat that the possibility that they would choose to remove the fourth stat on all weapons would be pretty low... Why not remove the morale on the axe, for example.. or the crit on another weapon?

My theory then, is that somehow only the first 3 stats are being recognized and this is indeed an error in the programming.

Originally Posted by Grhysli

Checked on my Weaponsmith and discovered that Great River Axes & Daggers had stats removed (physical mastery & morale (daggers)).

However the Maces & Swords were left alone and still have the same stats as prior to update 7.
That seems to indicate that the missing stats on Daggers & Axes is a glitch and will hopefully be corrected "at some point in the future".

My Great River Sword of Battle lost its crit rating- it isn't just Great River Axes and Daggers.

Its totally a bug. It doesn't fit with the pattern for allocating stats to items. And they obviously didn't nerf crafted 1handers across the board. Go look at the straight sword from the alabaster scroll cases, for example.


Off Topic:
While you're sending bug reports, bug the Captain gloves Gloves of Perseverance. They have less stats than they ought to. All blue armor pieces of the same quality have the same net stat value (they follow the pattern I linked above). If you examine the armor in question here and compare to the Breastplate of Perseverance, it comes up short. It should have +33.5 more might, or +33.5 vitality, or 352 more crit or mastery. Something along those lines. If you aren't convinced the Breastplate and Gloves should be equal, glance down at the Gloves and Breastplate at the Loyalty set. Thank you.

Originally Posted by Zerric

This was reported on BR as a bug and yet they did fix it before putting it live like always. Champion Swift Strike graphic is bugged just like on test server. Crystals not updating the LI correctly is a bug that was on test, Fornot not giving seals is a bug that was on test that went live. I do not understand the purpose of a test server if the devs are not gonna fix the bugs before making them live.

the test server isn't really to "TEST" anything...its a preview server. its a "hey, come look at this new stuff before other people get a chance to". Its hard to believe they actually 'fix' much that is reported from the test server.
Also, I'm pretty convinced that this update was very much rushed due to the fact that D3 comes out today and they wanted some kind of new content out before D3 launched.

Originally Posted by Grhysli

However the Maces & Swords were left alone and still have the same stats as prior to update 7.
That seems to indicate that the missing stats on Daggers & Axes is a glitch and will hopefully be corrected "at some point in the future".

This is not correct. The Maces and the Swords were also nerfed, as were the Hammers and Clubs made by Woodworkers. All Great River teal crafted melee weapons were nerfed.

The nerfs are different for each weapon. Basically, one "line-item" was removed from each, be it Physical Mastery, Crit, Morale, etc.

I noticed I was missing 270 morale on my Polished Great River dagger of dexterity. I have bugged it. I would be quite disappointed if it was an intended nerf! I hope Sapience or one of the other devs can confirm soon whether it is a bug and when it will be fixed (currently not in the known issues list unfortunately...).

To be honest, I rather would have waited another week so they could have fixed some of the bugs on the growing list! It is one of the buggiest updates I have seen so far (since I am playing on a former European server I might have missed some buggy updates because Codemasters used to push them back it if turned out to be really bad).

Originally Posted by Lasagabaster

Team B develops Hunters,

There's a team B ?

I heard they had been switched to pizza pickup

I've lost 270 morale from my dagger so its gone into the vault. I paid gold for it

Originally Posted by orangeman

The Physical Mastery is still on the weapon it just isn't showing up on the tool tip. If you remove it, you will see your PM go down by 630. Replace it and it goes back up. Just missing from the tool tip when you mouse over it.

That's because the 63 might (which is still on the axe) gives you 630 mastery. The 672 mastery at the bottom of the list is gone, as is the bottom item in the stat list on every Great River crafted weapon.

4th stat is missing from all weapons you say? Must have used an earlier version of the weapon template, did not have a 4th stat line. I'm glad I always hold off rushing through new content (neener neener...)

Originally Posted by Dotlbeme

4th stat is missing from all weapons you say? Must have used an earlier version of the weapon template, did not have a 4th stat line. I'm glad I always hold off rushing through new content (neener neener...)

In the case of the Great River weapons, the "rushing through new content" consisted of visiting your crafting guild, buying the new recipes, and making the items. Not a lot of roses to smell on that path.

Originally Posted by Lestache

In the case of the Great River weapons, the "rushing through new content" consisted of visiting your crafting guild, buying the new recipes, and making the items. Not a lot of roses to smell on that path.

Well they did rush to buy/make them . I saw the newer guild recipes for armor and was like what? I wasted all those sigils on dunland guild armor? I could have had GR stuff instead! So I was hesitant at that point to 'rush' to make anything new before the update.

(And I was sort of being facetious about the rushing.)

Hey guys!

So, the team is looking into this and it is not an intended change. We're adding it to the known issues list. Thank you all for bringing it to our attention!

Thanks for the reply, Celestrata

I am posting to add my signature to get this fixed!

If this is intentional change to my crafted weapons I will be very upset.

I have spent the last year and a half building up a full group of crafters, and getting them to level 75.

I have crafted these great river weapons recently and loved them. They are special to me because I put so much time, effort and gold into getting finally being able to craft them.

The "known issues list" is something you should share with us. Particularly when you either don't fix existing classes or break them in new and interesting ways.

Thanks, Celestrata.

Originally Posted by Aedfrith

The "known issues list" is something you should share with us. Particularly when you either don't fix existing classes or break them in new and interesting ways.

You mean like they do already and always have?

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...67#post6167967 - in Announcements & Service Updates

Originally Posted by Aedfrith

The "known issues list" is something you should share with us. Particularly when you either don't fix existing classes or break them in new and interesting ways.

Actually...

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?459027-Update-7-Shades-of-the-Past-Known-Issues

Edit: Nakiami beat me to it.

Originally Posted by Celestrata

Actually...

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?459027-Update-7-Shades-of-the-Past-Known-Issues

Edit: Nakiami beat me to it.

The Known issues state:

"The Great River crafted weapons have accidentally lost their Physical Mastery or Critical Rating."

The notes do not specifically mention the 270 morale that has been lost on the dagger, is this also a bug and going to be corrected?

I keep noticing posts from the mods about how the team is working on it,but I was wondering if this is the same team that fixed the dragon and the stable issues and the crashing,etc.If so,I know we are in good hands.

Originally Posted by SHADOW83

I keep noticing posts from the mods about how the team is working on it,but I was wondering if this is the same team that fixed the dragon and the stable issues and the crashing,etc.If so,I know we are in good hands.

I just spilled some coffee lol

Originally Posted by Mark_J

The Known issues state:

"The Great River crafted weapons have accidentally lost their Physical Mastery or Critical Rating."

The notes do not specifically mention the 270 morale that has been lost on the dagger, is this also a bug and going to be corrected?

Yes, add this to the known issues please so we know you are aware of the loss of 270 morale on the 'Polished Great River dagger of Dexterity'.

Originally Posted by SHADOW83

I keep noticing posts from the mods about how the team is working on it,but I was wondering if this is the same team that fixed the dragon and the stable issues and the crashing,etc.If so,I know we are in good hands.

It's probably team B !

Reposting these pics just so people know what we're talking about (the other threads have been closed):

Left side is Update 6/6.1 weapons and right is Update 7.



Original Bullroarer thread is here: http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...at-River-Weaps

I love the fact that it took 2 days for this to become a known issue,but it was reported on bullroar before launch.

What about the Great River Sword? Didn't it also get nerfed by mistake?

Originally Posted by enginekid

What about the Great River Sword? Didn't it also get nerfed by mistake?

It has been acknowledged that all of the Great River weapons are 'nerfed'. They have put it on the known issues list (albeit incorrectly only mentioning a couple of things that are missing and not all)