I've been playing a warleader for over a year now and would really like to see a grp. bubble or a self bubble to go along with the single bubble that we currently have .....any thoughts would be appreciated tnx.
I've been playing a warleader for over a year now and would really like to see a grp. bubble or a self bubble to go along with the single bubble that we currently have .....any thoughts would be appreciated tnx.
OMG LOL i fell out of my chair on this one
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
The bubble that wl'ers get extended is suppose to last 15secs it seams to only last like 7or8 . So I figure if we have another bubble or 2 it would really help to try to keep these creeps alive a little longer, cause man do i ever have a hard time trying to keep creeps alive expecially Rigrat. lol enough said lol! An by the way alot of freeps like u r very hard to kill an i respect u guys/girls an love the fights that u bring to us!
The bubble that wl'ers get extended is suppose to last 15secs it seams to only last like 7or8 . So I figure if we have another bubble or 2 it would really help to try to keep these creeps alive a little longer, cause man do i ever have a hard time trying to keep creeps alive expecially Rigrat. lol enough said lol! An by the way alot of freeps like u r very hard to kill an i respect u guys/girls an love the fights that u bring to us!
Dont make me blush....
Maybe its broken
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
I've been playing a warleader for over a year now and would really like to see a grp. bubble or a self bubble to go along with the single bubble that we currently have .....any thoughts would be appreciated tnx.
Wau, dude you are awesome. Let me just take something to smile for next 10 hrs so i can read over and over again your post.
What you need is for me to come back creep side and then you'll see freeps getting pwnd
Maybe sooner or later i will for a while just not at this moment
Evilelmo will live again!? ./transfer!
As for the bubble thing, let's be fair and honest...only three classe don't have a bubble; Champs (2, self), RKs (1? Group), Capts (1? others?), Minis (2 self and others), now while these bubbles might not be great, neither are WLs (although Champ's bubbles are OP). I have an r6 WL and the bubble is ok, but it's one target with a long CD...only other class that can bubble is warg and that's self only, it's weak, and well, not really a bubble anymore. This is equal to freeps? I don't think so, but then again my opinion is usually put in the trash. :P
As for the bubble thing, let's be fair and honest...only three classe don't have a bubble; Champs (2, self), RKs (1? Group), Capts (1? others?), Minis (2 self and others), now while these bubbles might not be great, neither are WLs (although Champ's bubbles are OP). I have an r6 WL and the bubble is ok, but it's one target with a long CD...only other class that can bubble is warg and that's self only, it's weak, and well, not really a bubble anymore. This is equal to freeps? I don't think so, but then again my opinion is usually put in the trash. :P
1. Um WL bubble is a 2 min CD if im correct
2. CJ knocks the bubble off Minny and i believe Champ it doesnt on WL bubble
3. Captain bubble 5 min cd and damage can still be taken plus you must be in group(if im correct) WL bubble out of group
4. Uruk heal is a very nice Heal with a short CD only other heal comparible is WoTC
5. Oh AOE rez for WL ummm very nice
And on top of that all they're like a Tank to take down with top Mits
Sorry i feel no love for WL
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
3. Captain bubble 5 min cd and damage can still be taken plus you must be in group(if im correct) WL bubble out of group
Captain bubble requires legendary SoTD, a strike against it as Captains actually have a surplus of nice legendaries. It is 15s 75% damage reduction, pretty nice, but yes it is only inside fellowship. Would be nice if it were raid wide. Cooldown can be shortened with a legacy. But IHW with last stand is effectively a group bubble, though Captain may well be in bad shape afterwards...
Yes, when your a WL and critting freeps for about 300 life is great.
WL shouts crit for ~800-1,100. You're doing something wrong.
And to the OP; a group bubble would be kind of... stupid. Sorry but a good raid leader/player will be able to switch to another target as soon as bubble goes up.. when you can't damage any for 15s it'd be really dumb.
Bubble is fine where it is atm, imho. Maybe return it to group cast only though (for both sides).
I could see something like "Brawler stance turns bubble a self-bubble only" though, as it's the dps stance and mostly designed for soloing. That'd be cool.
WL shouts crit for ~800-1,100. You're doing something wrong.
And to the OP; a group bubble would be kind of... stupid. Sorry but a good raid leader/player will be able to switch to another target as soon as bubble goes up.. when you can't damage any for 15s it'd be really dumb.
Bubble is fine where it is atm, imho. Maybe return it to group cast only though (for both sides).
I could see something like "Brawler stance turns bubble a self-bubble only" though, as it's the dps stance and mostly designed for soloing. That'd be cool.
Im not doing anything wrong (even though their isn't technically a way to do things right), WL dps is terrible and the fact that 1/3 shouts sometimes crits for maybe 800-1,100 isn't a source of joy. My main is my warg tho, so I'm sure more experienced people like yourself obviously will settle WL dps.
Creeps:Lugezer r10, Lezgern r6, Mozag r5, other creeps in the r4ish area i dont care about
Freeps:Athelious 85
Im not doing anything wrong (even though their isn't technically a way to do things right), WL dps is terrible and the fact that 1/3 shouts sometimes crits for maybe 800-1,100 isn't a source of joy. My main is my warg tho, so I'm sure more experienced people like yourself obviously will settle WL dps.
Yeah, I'm sorry but WL is mostly slow-and-go as far as their fighting goes.
They don't have a very substantial dps, but they have very good self heals and the highest mits. If they had good dps they'd be next to impossible to bring down if you follow; it'd be like Flayer and Shadow getting morphed into one stance for wargs. I'd like to see someone beat that.
Now if they saw a decrease to heals/mits in exchange for more dps that'd be fine, because then it'd balance out.
Low dps may suck, but as I said, shout crits are pretty decent and you can't neglect how much survivability the class has.
Yeah, I'm sorry but WL is mostly slow-and-go as far as their fighting goes.
They don't have a very substantial dps, but they have very good self heals and the highest mits. If they had good dps they'd be next to impossible to bring down if you follow; it'd be like Flayer and Shadow getting morphed into one stance for wargs. I'd like to see someone beat that.
Now if they saw a decrease to heals/mits in exchange for more dps that'd be fine, because then it'd balance out.
Low dps may suck, but as I said, shout crits are pretty decent and you can't neglect how much survivability the class has.
Well, if we're giving them a DPS stance and taking away some healing and mits (something mini's dont have to deal with now), then i'd like to see 40m shouts, since if they can't heal a lot or get into range due to lack of mits, they need infamy somehow. Btw, i think the equivalent of a WL with a below-average DPS, but good mits, and amazing self-heals is a warden. Then add better DPS but a bit lower mits and you have the minstrel.
Creeps:Lugezer r10, Lezgern r6, Mozag r5, other creeps in the r4ish area i dont care about
Freeps:Athelious 85
Well, if we're giving them a DPS stance and taking away some healing and mits (something mini's dont have to deal with now), then i'd like to see 40m shouts, since if they can't heal a lot or get into range due to lack of mits, they need infamy somehow. Btw, i think the equivalent of a WL with a below-average DPS, but good mits, and amazing self-heals is a warden. Then add better DPS but a bit lower mits and you have the minstrel.
Why add anything thing to them? You're comparing them to minnys and they're healers yes but out side that very different i think you're forgetting WL's are tanks and can run threw a keep none stop with all the agro and take a heck of a beating and guess what minnys cant do that not with all their healing abilitys.
Nothing wrong with a WL the way they're if you want to play a healer tank expect to be that and not some dps and yeah i know minnys can do both(dps/heal) which i disagree with.
Make Minnys go back to paying for it why'll in WS and problem solved.
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
Why add anything thing to them? You're comparing them to minnys and they're healers yes but out side that very different i think you're forgetting WL's are tanks and can run threw a keep none stop with all the agro and take a heck of a beating and guess what minnys cant do that not with all their healing abilitys.
Nothing wrong with a WL the way they're if you want to play a healer tank expect to be that and not some dps and yeah i know minnys can do both(dps/heal) which i disagree with.
Make Minnys go back to paying for it why'll in WS and problem solved.
Wasn't comparing WL's to minis, or at least i didn't mean to make it seem like that. Please don't accuse me of something i didn't do without being sure your right.
Lots of Love, Lugezer
Creeps:Lugezer r10, Lezgern r6, Mozag r5, other creeps in the r4ish area i dont care about
Freeps:Athelious 85
Wasn't comparing WL's to minis, or at least i didn't mean to make it seem like that. Please don't accuse me of something i didn't do without being sure your right.
Lots of Love, Lugezer
Listen Mister im always right my word is LAW
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
2. CJ knocks the bubble off Minny and i believe Champ it doesnt on WL bubble
3. Captain bubble 5 min cd and damage can still be taken plus you must be in group(if im correct) WL bubble out of group
4. Uruk heal is a very nice Heal with a short CD only other heal comparible is WoTC
5. Oh AOE rez for WL ummm very nice
And on top of that all they're like a Tank to take down with top Mits
Sorry i feel no love for WL
Wardens dont have a bubble Nor Do I Want 1. Theres a certain amount of Wardens abusing defiant challenge and never surrender and logging IN combat, it will happen, we are gonna get an ugly nerf in the end. Its sad how someone can corrupt this class like that.
Wardens dont have a bubble Nor Do I Want 1. Theres a certain amount of Wardens abusing defiant challenge and never surrender and logging IN combat, it will happen, we are gonna get an ugly nerf in the end. Its sad how someone can corrupt this class like that.
I wouldnt be holding your breath for that nerf
Creeps:Lugezer r10, Lezgern r6, Mozag r5, other creeps in the r4ish area i dont care about
Freeps:Athelious 85
Azail maybe it is broke but i agree with lug an wl'ers do very little damage against freeps and do more against npc's . In my exp. freeps r op no offence intended. I have a 75 champ dont really bring her in the moors though maybe once in a blue moon just for s**ts an giggles thats it .Basically out of boordom.
Azail maybe it is broke but i agree with lug an wl'ers do very little damage against freeps and do more against npc's . In my exp. freeps r op no offence intended. I have a 75 champ dont really bring her in the moors though maybe once in a blue moon just for s**ts an giggles thats it .Basically out of boordom.
1. I do more damage against NPCs then creeps too
2. You're a Tank/Healer freeps dont have a class like that
3. you have 18k
4. you survive as well as any freep classes with the exception of Warden
I could go on and on and on like i said in the other thread maybe a tiny booste in DPS but thats not your job as a WL
Hey let them give you a DPS stance like Minnys and take away your ability to heal anyone when in that id actually be fine with that but i dont think alot of creeps you heal would be happy.
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
2. You're a Tank/Healer freeps dont have a class like that
3. you have 18k
4. you survive as well as any freep classes with the exception of Warden
I could go on and on and on like i said in the other thread maybe a tiny booste in DPS but thats not your job as a WL
Hey let them give you a DPS stance like Minnys and take away your ability to heal anyone when in that id actually be fine with that but i dont think alot of creeps you heal would be happy.
Im sorry, by tank/healer do you mean a tank who can heal himself, or a tank who can heal others?
Creeps:Lugezer r10, Lezgern r6, Mozag r5, other creeps in the r4ish area i dont care about
Freeps:Athelious 85
WL heals are awful, though. And the WL toughness compared to Freep healers is irrelevant given Freep DPS is vastly superior to Creep DPS. The WL hasn't aged well.
I was always under the impression the WL was the antitheses of a Capt...and yes, I have seen Capts tank. Yet while I understand the WL is more adept at tanking NPCs than a Capt, Capts last a long time in combat especially with LS, someting the WL does not have. Capt's can do a lot more dmg melee traited then a WL who is melee traited, and again, no LS like the Capt has in any situation. WL heals are ok, but they cannot keep ppl a live for very long; Capts who are heal traited heal quite well, at least the ones I know, and out do a WL any day.
I have an r6 WL with 7 Aud and that 18k doesn't mean a thing; any DPS class just eats through it. Being focused fired on both my WL and BA, the WL may last 3 - 5 seconds longer...not the same WLs as they used to be, that's for sure.
WL heals are awful, though. And the WL toughness compared to Freep healers is irrelevant given Freep DPS is vastly superior to Creep DPS. The WL hasn't aged well.
Funny i watched a WL go from W Ta door to OC and not die hmmmmm id like to age like that.
Nothing wrong with a WL if its so important to give them more DPS i think Guardian should be able to heal themselves too oh and for that matter a group.
Yeah WTB aging like a WL
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
I was always under the impression the WL was the antitheses of a Capt...and yes, I have seen Capts tank. Yet while I understand the WL is more adept at tanking NPCs than a Capt, Capts last a long time in combat especially with LS, someting the WL does not have. Capt's can do a lot more dmg melee traited then a WL who is melee traited, and again, no LS like the Capt has in any situation. WL heals are ok, but they cannot keep ppl a live for very long; Capts who are heal traited heal quite well, at least the ones I know, and out do a WL any day.
I have an r6 WL with 7 Aud and that 18k doesn't mean a thing; any DPS class just eats through it. Being focused fired on both my WL and BA, the WL may last 3 - 5 seconds longer...not the same WLs as they used to be, that's for sure.
Ummm sorry but a DPS traited Captain wont last as long as a WL nor can they Tank like a WL you must be getting confused with Captain America
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
Funny i watched a WL go from W Ta door to OC and not die hmmmmm id like to age like that.
Nothing wrong with a WL if its so important to give them more DPS i think Guardian should be able to heal themselves too oh and for that matter a group.
Ummm sorry but a DPS traited Captain wont last as long as a WL nor can they Tank like a WL you must be getting confused with Captain America
I said they can't tank like a WL haha, neener! What I did say is they DPS a lot better tho...and hit LS, yeah, they last at least 25(?) seconds longer. Capt America in the moors would be scary, oh, wait, there is Giledor...
All it takes is one warg. One warg in shadow alone has 3 silences and can negate alot that a RK can do. I'm not denying they can't heal and survive a long time but with wargs stacking silences, a RKs done for if they can't clear them. If the warg does more than spam claws that is.
This is all dependent on if they other person is grouped and who they are grouped with classwise of course.
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Doesnt work against a zerg, i have a RK and yes they can heal like crazy but they can go down like a sack of potatoes
besides im talking about WL vs Captain
Why would this not work against a zerg?
Ames true i guess the guy that started the thread server has no wargs that now what a silence.
Edit: Who thinks wls are the same thing as cappies? They are more of a gaurd/mini/cappy.
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Why would this not work against a zerg?
Ames true i guess the guy that started the thread server has no wargs that now what a silence.
Edit: Who thinks wls are the same thing as cappies? They are more of a gaurd/mini/cappy.
Anything will work against a zerg on zerg but if the Rks group is getting zerged because of Ames reason and the fact your talking light armour and no where the Mits of the Wl they wont last as long.
LOL I agree with the 3 headed class for WL Guard/Minny/Capt and thank god they dont have a Rally cry.
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
Doesnt work against a zerg, i have a RK and yes they can heal like crazy but they can go down like a sack of potatoes
besides im talking about WL vs Captain
A Guard can go down quick too, so what? RKs aren't squishy.
Originally Posted by Ames
All it takes is one warg. One warg in shadow alone has 3 silences and can negate alot that a RK can do. I'm not denying they can't heal and survive a long time but with wargs stacking silences, a RKs done for if they can't clear them. If the warg does more than spam claws that is.
This is all dependent on if they other person is grouped and who they are grouped with classwise of course.
3 Silences isn't accurate. 1 is crit gated. It lasts all of 3s if it procs. The other gets resisted 50%+ of the time. Howl from the Shadow is good, too bad it is on a 5m CD. And even if you do silence the RK, so what? They can still use plenty of core skills.
A Guard can go down quick too, so what? RKs aren't squishy.
3 Silences isn't accurate. 1 is crit gated. It lasts all of 3s if it procs. The other gets resisted 50%+ of the time. Howl from the Shadow is good, too bad it is on a 5m CD. And even if you do silence the RK, so what? They can still use plenty of core skills.
Compared to my LM a RK is very squishy i survive longer then they do.
Sorry i play one im guessing i should know this.
Also who said anything about a Guardian im comparing a WL to a Captain because the example was brought up of how they're talked about in the same sentence.
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Capt America in the moors would be scary, oh, wait, there is Giledor... 
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