I think this ongoing bickering is the best forum PvP since ages, at least since Ophelia days. Thanks for keeping the Landroval reputation, as the best drama server, up.
I think this ongoing bickering is the best forum PvP since ages, at least since Ophelia days. Thanks for keeping the Landroval reputation, as the best drama server, up.
+rep to both of you.
Though the question is, was I trolling him or was he trolling me. .
Unlike burglars, RK dont have to stand next to the target to DPS them. While the DPS output showed on this picture is impressive, its not reflecting the reality of any 1 vs 1 in the Moors, with the exception of an AFK creep. On Biohazzard, ive been 5 shotted by an RK (Radar), a champion (Stardyan) and a hunter (Shilow) but never by a burg, not even remotly.
This is why ill keep my personnal rating as it is, despite this test. Its simply not realistic.
Define "5-shotted" because that's not true for a champ by any definition I know.
And my second question is what are you doing afk in the open field so often that you have a list of classes that have killed you fast while afk? Sheesh, you have a map skill to get you behind one shots on a 1 minute cooldown.
I don't think ANYONE can complain about how fast they die when they're afk. That's just all kinds of pointless. Classes require being played to be balanced....
Second Marshal Luc Brandenbuck ~Battlemaster~
Stalker's Enemy*Reaver's Enemy*Blackarrow's Enemy*Warleader-Foe*Weaver's Enemy*Defiler-Foe Champion:'The only thing our opponents can do that we care about is die.'-Graalx2
Define "5-shotted" because that's not true for a champ by any definition I know.
The opposing player click on 5 icons in his UI. This result in 5 lines in my combat log describing the skills name and damage done to my character. The sixth line state *You have been defeated*
Originally Posted by Thane9
And my second question is what are you doing afk in the open field so often that you have a list of classes that have killed you fast while afk? Sheesh, you have a map skill to get you behind one shots on a 1 minute cooldown.
I don't think ANYONE can complain about how fast they die when they're afk. That's just all kinds of pointless. Classes require being played to be balanced....
Radar 5 shotted me during a TA take a few months ago. He scored 4 2.5-2.9k crits on a row and finished me off with a 6.5k EC. Went down in less than 5 seconds.
Stardyan 5 shotted me during an openfield battle near TR HS during a small group engagement opposing Garny`s group and a small Agony and PP group leaded by Plok. He scored a few 2-3k crits and finished me off with a 6.3k Remorseless Strike. Went down in 5-10 seconds.
Shilow 5 shotted me near GTA, while in stealth after i just mapped in. Dont remember the details (its been a while) but he finished me with a 7+k HS. Went down in less than 5 seconds.
In none of those fights, i was AFK (its obivious for anyone, but ill prefer to specify it in your case). Hope those will answer your questions.
The opposing player click on 5 icons in his UI. This result in 5 lines in my combat log describing the skills name and damage done to my character. The sixth line state *You have been defeated*
Ok, lets assume the Remorseless was a natural Dev NOT a function of seeking blades, because that'd take another key stroke.
Let's also assume his pip generator is traited to get 5 pips instead of 3.
Remorseless takes 4. Of course this is all based on my guess on the damages I don't 2H wield so I'm just guestimating and or using my numbers with dual wield in some cases.
1> Natural Dev Swift strike to build one pip? 1500? maybe? would be hard without rend applied...
2> Natural Dev Wild attack to build #2? 2k? wow..maybe maybe would be VERY hard without buffs and rend applied
Maybe a tick of fervour? Maybe...for 3.
3> Brutal Crit/Crit/Crit? -3 1700/1700/1700 statistically so rare it's boggling to think about.
4> Build Pips +5
5> Remorseless -4 A Dev you're describing is not possible with dual wield...
Hard to believe, because he's not using remorseless early to get the neg 25% healing on you...instead trying to get a finisher out of it hoping you can't press one button before he gets 5 off???!?!
Hard to believe because he didn't hamstring...which can crit for a pretty decent amount...
Hard to believe because it's just a bad attack sequence...any real damage sequence would not be a 5 stroke sequence for a champ looking to burst.
Hard to believe because it doesn't include seeking blades.
Hrmm...I'm honestly not sure if this is possible. In fact, even a MAJOR crit build would only provide a teensy teensy chance of this ever happening...like megaball lottery odds.
Then there's the idea that in 5 keystrokes you didn't hit any heals? Really??? Or fear him. Or well...anything.
I probably need to look at some in-game numbers a bit closer to really do the hard analysis, this is VERY rough and just off the top of my head, but seriously...no champ should 5 stroke kill a high ranked defiler...and I'd love to see a screenshot of the damage log. Honestly, love to.
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Stalker's Enemy*Reaver's Enemy*Blackarrow's Enemy*Warleader-Foe*Weaver's Enemy*Defiler-Foe Champion:'The only thing our opponents can do that we care about is die.'-Graalx2
A Dev you're describing is not possible with dual wield...
I wont speak for him, but if i remember properly, he was 2Handed
Originally Posted by Thane9
Hrmm...I'm honestly not sure if this is possible. In fact, even a MAJOR crit build would only provide a teensy teensy chance of this ever happening...like megaball lottery odds.
Ever heard of Captain/Destiny points buffs? Garny`s group are using pretty much everything available.
Originally Posted by Thane9
Then there's the idea that in 5 keystrokes you didn't hit any heals? Really???and I'd love to see a screenshot of the damage log. Honestly, love to.
In those situations, a few 3/5 seconds HoTs wont change the outcome, just delay the inevitable by 1-2 seconds maybe. As for my combat log, ill SS it next time it happen.
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I am honestly done with this whole bunch of Bologna that the moors has become. The Freeps not to mention a few are a bunch of doplegankers who like to hit and nuke everything the see or hear with there massive damage that no creep class has. The moors was created to be equal we all agree on that...Then why on earth is it not!!! They imagined the moors to be creeps have more numbers but the freeps have less. Well look how that turned out the overpowered side gets all the power per individual and they have more numbers. I honestly can't wait till said game comes out so i can chill with the people i want to play with and have it be fair for both sides.
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The moors was created to be equal we all agree on that...Then why on earth is it not!!! They imagined the moors to be creeps have more numbers but the freeps have less. Well look how that turned out the overpowered side gets all the power per individual and they have more numbers. I honestly can't wait till said game comes out so i can chill with the people i want to play with and have it be fair for both sides.
I'm starting to wonder if they ever had plans on equality in the Moors...the Freeps hit hard enough before the update, and no we can up our weapon DPS by 10 points. It looks like their plan is something else.
Ever heard of Captain/Destiny points buffs? Garny`s group are using pretty much everything available.
the SS you show actually only shows captain/RK buffs, while it would be ideal to use DP buffs it is simply not the case.. not that any of this has any relevance whatsoever to the actual topic
on that note I am excited about the changes. Crystal power!!!
"they are all using brands" LOL what? Do you guys ever read a tooltip,or remember the icon that's associated with it ?!?! Veteran players my ###.....This is just like Plok claiming that Garny was an exploiter,that he was using a permanent store brand...LOL
"they are all using brands" LOL what? Do you guys ever read a tooltip,or remember the icon that's associated with it ?!?! Veteran players my ###.....This is just like Plok claiming that Garny was an exploiter,that he was using a permanent store brand...LOL
I think that the only players that can be called "vets" are those that transferred here from other servers.
I think that the only players that can be called "vets" are those that transferred here from other servers.
What's your definition of a vet? I always understood it to be a measure of time, longevity...ie. the players that have been around since early SOA....of course correct me if I'm wrong.
I think that the only players that can be called "vets" are those that transferred here from other servers.
What's your definition of a vet? I always understood it to be a measure of time, longevity...ie. the players that have been around since early SOA....of course correct me if I'm wrong.
What's your definition of a vet? I always understood it to be a measure of time, longevity...ie. the players that have been around since early SOA....of course correct me if I'm wrong.
Someone with experience and knowledge of the game.
Pathetic. Why even play this game, and even moreso why even post about it on forums if that's your attitude.
I honestly hope GW takes every last one of the players who feel this way. We'll be far better off for it.
Second Marshal Luc Brandenbuck ~Battlemaster~
Stalker's Enemy*Reaver's Enemy*Blackarrow's Enemy*Warleader-Foe*Weaver's Enemy*Defiler-Foe Champion:'The only thing our opponents can do that we care about is die.'-Graalx2
"they are all using brands" LOL what? Do you guys ever read a tooltip,or remember the icon that's associated with it ?!?! Veteran players my ###.....This is just like Plok claiming that Garny was an exploiter,that he was using a permanent store brand...LOL
I never said that.
To use every way to win, abuse of an already broken system to win is exploiting. Playing the heavily favored side, using an ability from the loremaster to make the entire group immune to CC is just taking your OP side and taking it a step further than many have before them. Tree, you are an infantile peon, always have been. Your opinion on anything out here, just like Luc or any other numbnut who really has never played the other side, then tried to make any claims or comments about it, is absolutely fail in everything they do. Until you have played against such odds, you should ####. At least you are not a fair weather player like that bunch, they jumped to creeps when it was the easiest it was out here, then the six of them beat 347 freeps, havent you heard? Just because you are a bubbling running ezmode player, doesnt earn you anything but lulz.
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I wont speak for him, but if i remember properly, he was 2Handed
Ever heard of Captain/Destiny points buffs? Garny`s group are using pretty much everything available.
In those situations, a few 3/5 seconds HoTs wont change the outcome, just delay the inevitable by 1-2 seconds maybe. As for my combat log, ill SS it next time it happen.
>2H didn't do that in 10 seconds, let alone 5.
>Outside buffs are NOT a measure of a classes strength, nor their ability to do something. That's like saying a Reaver is OP because they had a WL bubble on them. Come on. I can kill a balrog...with help. Does that make me OP?
>Of COURSE they will. This is what is so sad about so many of the high ranked players on our server. They're SO convinced that they have no chance that they don't even try. Some of you defilers need to take lessons from some CONSIDERABLY lower ranked defilers. And the warg packs...sheesh,...half the warg who pack all the time would present a REALLY good fight for most freeps on their own.
But instead there's this mentality that creeps are just doomed before the fight even begins so we see these playstyles that are just frustrating and not fun for anyone.
There's nothing magical about the handful of players creepside who are VERY VERY challenging for most freeps. They're solid players, no doubt, heck some of them are amazing players. But they have the EXACT same skill buttons and spec options that every other creep has.
I'm personally tired of this attitude that there's this huge power gap when in fact there isn't. There's just a lot of players who believe they've already lost and their experiences just reinforce that thought because they don't try. It's a self fullfilling prophecy.
Second Marshal Luc Brandenbuck ~Battlemaster~
Stalker's Enemy*Reaver's Enemy*Blackarrow's Enemy*Warleader-Foe*Weaver's Enemy*Defiler-Foe Champion:'The only thing our opponents can do that we care about is die.'-Graalx2
Most people would agree that 6 months of freepside is lacking in experience no?
Ah, ok, so time does have a bearing on this. Assuming one learns anything in that time period.
On a side note, I realized this morning that you were not the person I thought you were. I'm not even certain you have a Captain. Who do you play in the Moors if you don't mind my asking.
Ah, ok, so time does have a bearing on this. Assuming one learns anything in that time period.
On a side note, I realized this morning that you were not the person I thought you were. I'm not even certain you have a Captain. Who do you play in the Moors if you don't mind my asking.
Because the game I really enjoy, and have invested much of my freetime in over the past 5+ years is filling up with really terrible people.
I game. I play lots of games, on and off the computer, on and off the internet. I really enjoy competition, I really enjoy having fun with the people I compete with. From football in the fall on a mud soaked field to words with friends before going to sleep at night. It's all fun to me.
And in all of those situations I have a large degree of control over who I play with. In many of them I have exclusive control. Except one. This one.
And yeah, it makes me mad, sad, frustrated, or any other meme you want to quote to look snarky and clever when the people I am encountering aren't people I'd otherwise choose to play with.
People can complain that I play in a way that is unfair, or that I argue a lot, and that they'd rather me not be around...and to be honest I DO listen to that feedback. But I also think quite a lot about my gameplay and how it affects others and I've found that being consistant and even in my gameplay is just the best of what's available to me.
I personally believe fightclubbing and this idea of "respecting" 1v1s when others are around is in the short term and especially the long term bad for the game and only leads to MORE frustrations not less. So I choose to advocate against it, and not engage in it in my own play.
I personally believe the open PvMP model is special and should be preserved. I believe different group sizes and movement across the map provide a lot of dynamic and enjoyable play. Of course this comes with frustrations, but they should be measured against the good times as well. And I believe certain zerg playstyles, the everyone together attitude you find sometimes on freepside, and the wargpack idea we've been seeing on creepside, hurt that open pvmp model. So I've been vocal in my position there as well.
But more than anything, I think the lack of respect, not standing by and watching so a pair can dual for points, but honest to goodness respect is really the problem with Landy currently.
Too many people are judgemental, spiteful, and just angry at each other. And it doesn't even really matter HOW they're playing when that kind of venom is present.
So yeah. I'm mad. I'm mad when someone comes on open forums and states that no one from this server has experience and knowledge of the game.
It's clearly rude. It's clearly not necessary.
Second Marshal Luc Brandenbuck ~Battlemaster~
Stalker's Enemy*Reaver's Enemy*Blackarrow's Enemy*Warleader-Foe*Weaver's Enemy*Defiler-Foe Champion:'The only thing our opponents can do that we care about is die.'-Graalx2
Because the game I really enjoy, and have invested much of my freetime in over the past 5+ years is filling up with really terrible people.
I game. I play lots of games, on and off the computer, on and off the internet. I really enjoy competition, I really enjoy having fun with the people I compete with. From football in the fall on a mud soaked field to words with friends before going to sleep at night. It's all fun to me.
And in all of those situations I have a large degree of control over who I play with. In many of them I have exclusive control. Except one. This one.
And yeah, it makes me mad, sad, frustrated, or any other meme you want to quote to look snarky and clever when the people I am encountering aren't people I'd otherwise choose to play with.
People can complain that I play in a way that is unfair, or that I argue a lot, and that they'd rather me not be around...and to be honest I DO listen to that feedback. But I also think quite a lot about my gameplay and how it affects others and I've found that being consistant and even in my gameplay is just the best of what's available to me.
I personally believe fightclubbing and this idea of "respecting" 1v1s when others are around is in the short term and especially the long term bad for the game and only leads to MORE frustrations not less. So I choose to advocate against it, and not engage in it in my own play.
I personally believe the open PvMP model is special and should be preserved. I believe different group sizes and movement across the map provide a lot of dynamic and enjoyable play. Of course this comes with frustrations, but they should be measured against the good times as well. And I believe certain zerg playstyles, the everyone together attitude you find sometimes on freepside, and the wargpack idea we've been seeing on creepside, hurt that open pvmp model. So I've been vocal in my position there as well.
But more than anything, I think the lack of respect, not standing by and watching so a pair can dual for points, but honest to goodness respect is really the problem with Landy currently.
Too many people are judgemental, spiteful, and just angry at each other. And it doesn't even really matter HOW they're playing when that kind of venom is present.
So yeah. I'm mad. I'm mad when someone comes on open forums and states that no one from this server has experience and knowledge of the game.
It's clearly rude. It's clearly not necessary.
It's so easy to troll people in this game it's not even fun anymore
Tree, you are an infantile peon, always have been. Your opinion on anything out here, just like Luc or any other numbnut who really has never played the other side, then tried to make any claims or comments about it, is absolutely fail in everything they do. Until you have played against such odds, you should ####.
Ok,fair enough,I'll let this one go,since you just came back to the game not too long ago or w/e. Or will I?
I have a r8 warg you ####ing idi...nvm...I ranked him up a few months ago when wargs were nothin but defeat responses.Paid to win only 2 skills( tracking targets that are not in stealth being one of them). Soloed my way to r8 and earning the disrespect of many freeps in the process. That whole time,when I was pvping,90% of that was done on creepside,as I rarely played my champ.
So what did I do when wargs got buffed with U6? Stopped playing it.Why? Could't tell you why(I'm not gonna be a hypocrite and say that wargs are too OP now and it would't be a challenge now blahblahblah,because that's not the case). I just missed my champ.
So yeah,you look pretty stupid now.Don't talk about me if you don't know me.
>2H didn't do that in 10 seconds, let alone 5.
>Outside buffs are NOT a measure of a classes strength, nor their ability to do something. That's like saying a Reaver is OP because they had a WL bubble on them. Come on. I can kill a balrog...with help. Does that make me OP?
>Of COURSE they will. This is what is so sad about so many of the high ranked players on our server. They're SO convinced that they have no chance that they don't even try. Some of you defilers need to take lessons from some CONSIDERABLY lower ranked defilers. And the warg packs...sheesh,...half the warg who pack all the time would present a REALLY good fight for most freeps on their own.
But instead there's this mentality that creeps are just doomed before the fight even begins so we see these playstyles that are just frustrating and not fun for anyone.
There's nothing magical about the handful of players creepside who are VERY VERY challenging for most freeps. They're solid players, no doubt, heck some of them are amazing players. But they have the EXACT same skill buttons and spec options that every other creep has.
I'm personally tired of this attitude that there's this huge power gap when in fact there isn't. There's just a lot of players who believe they've already lost and their experiences just reinforce that thought because they don't try. It's a self fullfilling prophecy.
Luc, come play a creep for one month, it would give you a chance to see how the other side lives. Lotro PVP is simply going nowhere at this time. I kept hoping, like many others that something would happen, something to make it fresh and fun again. But it remains simply something I do at night while waiting for something better.
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Luc, come play a creep for one month, it would give you a chance to see how the other side lives. Lotro PVP is simply going nowhere at this time. I kept hoping, like many others that something would happen, something to make it fresh and fun again. But it remains simply something I do at night while waiting for something better.
PvMP is as fresh and fun as the players make it.
Zergs. Fightclubs. Warg packs. Call outs. Map ins. Keep charges for one kill. These things do not fresh and fun make. But they've become the norm out there.
And guess what? NONE of those things have Turbine to blame.
Second Marshal Luc Brandenbuck ~Battlemaster~
Stalker's Enemy*Reaver's Enemy*Blackarrow's Enemy*Warleader-Foe*Weaver's Enemy*Defiler-Foe Champion:'The only thing our opponents can do that we care about is die.'-Graalx2
Zergs. Fightclubs. Warg packs. Call outs. Map ins. Keep charges for one kill. These things do not fresh and fun make. But they've become the norm out there.
And guess what? NONE of those things have Turbine to blame.
There you are wrong my friend. Turbine is completely to blame for building this sand box, then filling it with slow drying cement. I have watched the moods and attitudes change over the years as update after update came bringing more empty promises. You cannot expect those on the creep side to smile and keep blindly feeding themselves to an ever stronger freep population without becoming bitter. And though most of us would not expect freeps to forgo using their skills in the moors to help balance things a bit, it is not hard to understand that many of us become angry and jaded watching the nightly zerg fest.
I do not dent that creeps have been guilty in the past of the same behavior, but in my book two wrongs do not make a right. I also think that fight clubs are something not needed in the moors and yet I can understand them a bit as well. For some, the chance to relax without looking over their shoulders for a raid while they test their skills can be quite alluring. Perhaps an arena would have been a great addition to the game.
I do not call out solo freeps, but there are some I will map in to help take down. I do not zerg as a rule. When freep numbers are too low, I will wander the map and pick up stuff, or scout for larger freep numbers. Keep charges for one kill would depend to me on who the freep inside is. Sometimes I will run through the keep and never attack the person inside. It is more to show that yes, you are being watched.
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Yes it did. I clearly remember posting the 6.3k RS in OOC channel. The fact that you cannot do it doesnt mean another Champion cant.
Originally Posted by Thane9
I'm personally tired of this attitude that there's this huge power gap when in fact there isn't. There's just a lot of players who believe they've already lost and their experiences just reinforce that thought because they don't try. It's a self fullfilling prophecy.
If i remember properly, you have been challenged by some veterans Creeps from other servers to play a creep for a while, so you can compare and have better perspective about the whole Moors imbalance. This is the thread where i got your statement that made it in my sig. Correct me if im wrong, but you never accepted the challenge so far, right?
Why dont you roll a Creep and come show us how things should be done?
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