Thread: Why stop now?

Originally Posted by Omez

The overabundance of wargs is actually a legitimate argument. They turn close fights into a zerg and they won't jump in to make a zerg a close fight. I absolutely HATE them. They're the reason when Adino rolls out there are literally 0 Freeps outside his raid. I mean who could blame them? Of course considering 75% of the Freeps (Not counting hunters for obvious reasons) I pounce solo still run away rather than fight me it may not be completely the fault of the zergbaby wargs. Raids are interrupting my playstyle in the Moors but so are the abundance of wargs so /shrug.

This is an absolute fact. I play warg as my main, and I have no problems jumping into the zerg. That said, I jump in when the odds are against me too and get corpse jumped for my troubles. When I'm on my BA, and someone catches me by myself, I see all the wargs around me (because of I See you!), waiting for the odds to shift in my favor for them to come in and gank the KB. It's ridiculous. Most of the time when I die 1v1, there's at least one warg watching me die, if not a whole pack.

When you guys are freeping, there is always a warg following you. Always. Probably 3-4. It makes it so that the high ranks feel sad playing their high ranked characters.

Originally Posted by Selebrimbor

Oh please. You freeps zerg OC with Adino because you can't find any more creeps to kill. WE zerg EC because that is were all of you like to hide. You may not, but a lot of your fellow freeps do. Many of the fights I have been in after u6 were at EC or STAB. Mainly because the freeps would go into their precious EC and hide there. Would not step a foot out of EC.

We don't lead 24 creeps into EC and sit their either.

I know no one talks about this, but before u6 (when freeps were god-mode, remember that?) where were a lot of the battles? Oh yea OC. Which was zerged on a regular basis as far as i can remember.

Lol I am happy to see that someone finally noticed that fact. Why go to OC/EC if you get zerged there?

Give me a break...Are you just another creep with Adino Derangement Syndrome (no offense intended to Adino)? Adino was gone for four months; and during that time the map stayed red for the largest percentage of time...And some of you creeps still raged about Adino even when he wasn't playing. Anytime freeps even got so much as a fellowship together the creeps trolled Adino. I am not defending Adino, he can take care of himself. I am merely pointing out a few facts. I tried to point them out in an honest way in my reply to this post, but that seems to have gone over your head.

During that four months that Adino did not play, the freeps endured creep raids that zerged anything solo, or in small groups. I recall many a time I rode into EC only to have a multitude of creeps zerg into EC just to kill one or two freeps. They usually had a reaver or warg sprint into EC, grab NPC aggro and then drag them out of EC; Then, the creeps would zerg. The freeps go into OC without pulling all the NPCs out. The method may be different but the results are similar.

Perhaps you should police your own before you appoint yourself to be the Supreme Political Correctness Officer for the Ettenmoors! People in glass houses should not throw stones!

Here is a few facts;

• We are not going to change the way we play just to appease the creep players!
• We do not expect you to change the way you play to appease the freep players!
• Whatever happens in the Moors, and does not violate the CoC set down my Turbine (in all its wisdom), is fair game!
• There is no rules, or a rule book, for gameplay except the CoC!
• Death is a part of life in the Moors!
• Every one has the freedom to choose whether or not you play in the Moors, it is not compulsory!
• Everyone that plays in the moors has the right to turtle, or not to turtle in OC, or any other keep!
• Nobody has the right to force their play style on anybody else in the Moors.
• Zerging happens on both sides!
• Ganking happens on both sides!
• It is just a game.

If you are not happy with the way things are going in the Moors then feel free to complain to Turbine. My guess is that they really don't give a defilers backside who is happy as long as they get their pound of flesh! I don't have any other answer that would make you happy and am not in the habit of appeasement for the sake of political correctness. In fact...I am against political correctness in its entirety!

Nuff Said!!!

Originally Posted by couillon

I couldn't have said it better ;D +rep

wargs: turbine buffed them and they pack the most punch of all the creep classes so you'll see more and remember them more than in the past.

Hehe...I remember when Turbine fixed the BAs quite a while back. After that happened, there was a butt load of noob BAs in the Moors; same thing happened with the Warg class!

Originally Posted by Lagnaf

Lots of words that nobody is surprised to see coming from Rundamir

Like cheese in the microwave!

Please take this response at face value. I'm not out to attack anyone unless they come after me. It seems some people get so up in arms over things that every statement ends up being viewed as an attack. That said...

Originally Posted by Lagnaf

Here is a few facts;

• We do not expect you to change the way you play to appease the freep players!

In a way, you kind of do. Well, I mean, people who raid up all the time and push for that kind of fighting. It forces people to raid up or leave and that's what raiders want, everyone to join the zergball and they know that's generally what they will get. Unless of course they just want to be zerged and farmed repeatedly. I do not prefer raiding, however it can be fun from time to time when the occasion calls for it, even then I often stick to my smaller group joining in the fight, but it's all the same really.

I prefer doing what the occasion calls for and I try to evaluate the situation and consider my opponents. Raid if the opposition has the numbers. 1v1 if there are 1v1s. Above all else, I enjoy most small grouping and roaming looking for others to engage in battle, which is sadly something that rarely is able to happen anymore. I'm just not a fan of the mentality of "enter Moors, immediately form raid every time" whether it's creep or freep doing it. I've felt that way since day one, it has nothing to do with hate or specific people. I scoff whenever I see anyone begging for a raid or forming up as soon as they log in, creep or freep. Most of creepside have always scoffed at people who do that when there are no numbers to call for it. While raiding can be fun, there are so many ways to enjoy the Moors and so many challenges to be had, raiding in general is usually pretty repetitive and easy. Heck, all the six hour tea parties get old pretty darn quick.

This, of course, is just how I feel and enjoy PvP in this particular game.

Originally Posted by Lagnaf

• Nobody has the right to force their play style on anybody else in the Moors.
• Zerging happens on both sides!
• Ganking happens on both sides!

I have to say, that saying no one has the right to force their playstyle on others is a noble thought, but it's just not what happens. Again, raids force their playstyle on others (as does ganking and zerging). I don't say this to complain, QQ, cry or whatever most people respond with when met with contention, it's just a simple fact. It's a numbers game. Organized numbers control the Moors, good or bad, it's just how it is.

And just to show I am aware of the other side of the argument, I suppose it can be argued that trying to surprise 1v1 someone who only ever raids and cannot manage without a group, is also forcing a playstyle. However, the difference is, soloers cannot affect everyone in the Moors the way organized numbers can. They only affect that one person at the moment and it's fairly easy to avoid. It's near impossible to avoid a raid and still find fights. As I've pointed out, it creates a desolate Moors as everyone flocks to it. If you do find fights, whether 1v1 or small group, it's only a small matter of time before the raid comes in and rolls over you, killing the action you found.

I don't say this to disrespect someone's choice in raiding and enjoying it, but you have to know that it does force others to join in, get farmed or log if they don't like it. Which leaves everyone else who prefers to roam and find smaller more challenging battles pretty much out of luck. And of course, if they choose not to engage in the raid war, they are chastised and called cowards and any number of insults. I see it all the time in GLFF. If someone chooses not to get facerolled or simply join in the raid fight, they're a coward. Right. That's some real motivation for them to get back out there.

Originally Posted by Lagnaf

• It is just a game.

This, but respect and courtesy toward your opponents goes a long way and ensures continued competition. Without that, people won't want to keep playing. I get the arguments people have of "oh well creeps/freeps zerged nonstop," but again, it's not about sides, it's about specific players. It's not hard to know who is responsible for what actions out there and it's easy to respond accordingly. There are those respected players on both sides that are constantly shown respect from the opposition because of the respect they give. Sure, they get zerged from time to time like anyone else, but more often than not, they don't and I've rarely if ever seen them joining in the behavior out of disgruntled retaliation. Only you are responsible for your actions and choices, no one else. Playing the blame game is just silly.

I've made this goofy comment before, but if I punched my mother in the face, called her names and stole her tiles every time we played Scrabble, eventually (hopefully, sooner than later with that kind of abuse ) she'll stop wanting to play with me because I show no concern for her feelings and enjoyment. But it's just a game, right? How you play it and how you treat your opponents does matter.

You suck at 1v1ing? Run to NPCs all the time? Blow every CD and store item in the book? Zerg and gank and roflstomp? Do it, who cares? If you have to lie about it, obviously you're ashamed and should do something to change that. Those are the people who are generally attacked, the ones who pretend to be better and/or more honouable than they are and mouth off constantly about it. Those who keep a low profile and don't attack people and don't deny deny deny, usually don't suffer the constant attacks. As always, play how you want and behave how you want, just own it and stop denying reality. It's so silly when people deny their actions in the Moors when everyone can see it.

("You" used in the general sense of the word, btw. Wasn't intending to target you specifically, Gundamir.)

tl;dr: That was a WoT. Deal with it.

<3 Bonnie

Originally Posted by Thornpaw

When you guys are freeping, there is always a warg following you. Always. Probably 3-4.

If you see a few lowbie wargs following me, please steal their KB

Originally Posted by Ohstaruh

If you see a few lowbie wargs following me, please steal their KB

*Follows some lowbie wargs to gank their KBs on Kanklez*

Originally Posted by Morbidi-Lost

*Follows some lowbie wargs to gank their KBs on Kanklez*

Normally, I'd be okay with this. But....

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Originally Posted by Summberbell

You suck at 1v1ing? Run to NPCs all the time? Blow every CD and store item in the book? Zerg and gank and roflstomp? Do it, who cares? If you have to lie about it, obviously you're ashamed and should do something to change that. Those are the people who are generally attacked, the ones who pretend to be better and/or more honouable than they are and mouth off constantly about it. Those who keep a low profile and don't attack people and don't deny deny deny, usually don't suffer the constant attacks. As always, play how you want and behave how you want, just own it and stop denying reality. It's so silly when people deny their actions in the Moors when everyone can see it.

("You" used in the general sense of the word, btw. Wasn't intending to target you specifically, Gundamir.)

tl;dr: That was a WoT. Deal with it.

<3 Bonnie

Okay...So I suck at 1v1, and when I didn't have to worry about wargs and their new stances and bubbles; and if I didn't have to worry about BAs using their evade, MT, and spamming bow shots without the hindrance of a cool down, etc, I could hold my own in a 1v1; and I used to be able to do that before U6. However, I really don't like 1v1s. I find them to be about as exciting as watching Lawrence Welk episodes on PBS.

If I come to the Moors to experience something besides 1v1s, the Durtz crew and his roving zerg balls or other zerg balls, and the every day run of the mill zerg fest at EC, then I would just be SOL by your sense of play. So in a sense, you would be forcing your play style on me when I come to the moors for PVMP and all there is to experience is the 1v1s, etc.

Do I zerg? Yes I have and probably will in the future. I have never denied that. I also gank on occasion and probably will again. After all, that is pvp, correct? I have been ganked, and have that happen every day in the Moors. Even if I don't like that kind of play style being pushed on me, I have to accept it because that is the way of the Moors.

Do I run to the NPCs? Yes I have, and I probably will again in the future. But, I don't do this anymore than a Defiler throws multiple HOTs on themselves and run to the NPCs. I don't do it anymore than a warg uses HIPS or Sprint to avoid dying, or deny renown. I don't do this anymore than some Reavers use Dying Rage to run away to the 1 shotters or attempt to deny renown by basically committing suicide; And I don't do this anymore than the BAs use their evade as an escape mechanism...

The point of my post was, and still is, that there is no rule book in the Moors when it comes to gameplay. I am not there to force you to play by my style or anybody that of anybody else. What you imply is that anybody that raids actually makes creeps raid up or just not have fun. Thank you for giving me that much power over your ability to have fun; And at the same time, no thank you I don't want that kind of power. But still, you fail to look at the flip side of the coin where the creep play style that others do not enjoy is forced upon them.

Ever since I came to the Moors, the creeps as well as some freeps have had this unwritten rule book that favors the creeps in 1v1, and anyone that does not follow these unwritten rules is subject to being ganked, zerged, or a so-called KoS order put on them. It appears that ignorance of these unwritten rules in no excuse and mistakes will not be tolerated. Even with new mitigations, stances, buffs, etc. for the creeps, and some classes of freeps, these unwritten rules, have never changed. This forces freeps to not use a lot of their skills to fight in a 1v1. Some of the rules are understandable, but a lot of these rules that i have heard of make no sense at all. Anyone who says they are not in denial would be willing to admit that this forces the freeps to conform to the play style of the creeps if they want to participate. I don't agree to these rules and choose not to 1v1. That is my right as a paying customer of Turbine.

I respect those that respect me. Respect is not automatically given because of rank, class, rating, leader board rank, or whether a players Id, Ego, or Super Ego demands it, etc: Respect is earned not given. Don't make the mistake of confusing fear with respect. Zerging freeps or creeps with the intent to make them rage log, or afraid to leave the rez circle, GV, Gramms, a keep, etc. is not respect and is forcing an unwanted play style on others no matter which side it comes from. Personally, I don't really give a defiler's backside if you respect me or not and I am not going to bend over backwards to appease you or anybody else to get it. I am not afraid to keep fighting against the odds. Whether or not a creep, or certain freeps, respect me has no bearing upon my game play. However, I do not set out to be disrespectful on purpose...with an exception or two.

Like I previously stated; If it is not against the CoC then it is simply game play (So says Turbine and their GMs) and is fair. If you feel you have a legitimate complaint about play styles then feel free to take it to Turbine and express it to them. Good luck getting things to change. Or, perhaps you should try to write a rule book and get your beloved creeps to all agree to it without deviation. I am guessing that this wouldn't work as there are no real penalties for breaking the "unwritten rules" except that which is dispensed by self appointed freep/creep jurisprudence!

I agree to disagree if there is no other way, and that is all! See you in the Moors.

The term "You" is not intended to single out any individual.

Nuff Said!!!

Ugh. Maybe I'm mistaken, in which case, I apologise, but it seemed you were responding as though it was an attack upon your playstyle and it seems like you completely missed the point. I wasn't referring to you when I said those things and I thought I made that clear. I was taking all the common insults and gripes and combining them to make a point. Perhaps I should have stated that part to make it more clear. I don't know you and have no reason to attack you. I was simply attempting to discuss the differing viewpoints and shed some light on things without getting into all the constant bs. It's impossible to find understanding and respect when constantly flinging insults, trolling and screaming so loud you can't hear what the other person says.

Idgaf what people do out there, but there are simple truths involved that people choose to ignore. It's not about giving someone power over their fun, it's simple math, as I said. 24+ people whether creep or freep repeatedly rolling over one player, 1v1s or a smaller group fight impacts their idea of fun. If there is a raid on one side, generally everyone is where the raid is which leaves the Moors empty for people who don't enjoy raiding. It's not a complaint, not QQ, it's just reality. That's why many people do not like constant raiding on this server, it leaves them with little else to do unless they join in. They can't find roamers, soloers, or small groups to fight, they can't even PvE to find something else to do.

You said I didn't look at the flipside and I specifically did and explained the differences. I didn't even make it about freep vs creep, because it's not. Nor did I insult people who choose to raid. I even agreed with you at times. People cannot come to an understanding if they are unwilling to be aware of and listen to alternate views. I am completely aware of and respectfully acknowledging all sides of the argument, while trying to explain the "why" behind the differing views.

It's clear to me that many people here seem to either completely lack reading comprehension or are so sensitive to everything that they are completely unable to see a different point of view without calling it QQ, rage or a personal assault (a lot of this comment also stems from the garbage I constantly see in GLFF). Not to mention everyone has their respective goggles screwed so tightly upon their heads they have these ridiculous ideas and conspiracies floating through their minds.

If anyone is ever truly curious to learn what goes on in the Moors and remove their goggles, just go out there alone for a few days. Hide in the shadows and just watch. You'll gain a ton of perspective that many don't seem to be able to gain otherwise, just watching from a distance. I've always been able to see it, back to the days when I mainly only played freepside (and yes, during the time I would sometimes would join the fraid). I was often found just watching in stealth or from horseback and I've done the same creepside. You don't technically need to play both to be open minded and understanding to both sides, but for a lot of people, I think it's needed. Unfortunately, for some, when they switch sides, they just switch goggles and forget what it was like on the other side. That's why sometimes just watching is what it takes to really see.

Really there is no point in trying to have a discussion with most people here. People take things way too seriously and can't handle having an actual discussion and god forbid someone has a different point of view. More often than not there is no real discussion because people are too focused on trolling and insults and butthurt and I like to try to counter that. My attempts are apparently futile.

So continue on hating each other, trolling, insulting, denying, lying, rehashing the same old tired poop again and again and getting nowhere. It's apparent to me that many people just really enjoy having a reason to argue and hate each other and have zero interest in ever finding understanding and respect. Even though so many gripe about being insulted, trolled and the lack of respect while simultaneously doing that very thing to others. I'm out there to have fun and for me, it's more fun when I know my opponents are enjoying themselves as well and we aren't hating on each other. Sure, we talk smack and make fun of each other, but it's not done with any real hatred. Apparently, this is a silly mindset.

My apologies for the WoT and attempting to discuss a hot topic without being a jerk. I think I'll just go back to derailment, nonsense and silly pictures.

<3 Bonnie

Originally Posted by Lagnaf

Turbine (in all its wisdom)

I scrolled down RIGHT at this part!!

Originally Posted by Lagnaf

Okay...So I suck at 1v1, and when I didn't have to worry about wargs and their new stances and bubbles; and if I didn't have to worry about BAs using their evade, MT, and spamming bow shots without the hindrance of a cool down, etc, I could hold my own in a 1v1; and I used to be able to do that before U6. However, I really don't like 1v1s. I find them to be about as exciting as watching Lawrence Welk episodes on PBS.

Lmfao. I'm gonna go back to try giving you constructive criticism(For one time) like I tried before until you called me a troll so I responded with stuff a troll would say.

There is this magical thing called mouse turning. When someone gets in melee range you don't run around in circles spamming melee skills. Derp.

Originally Posted by Lagnaf

Like I previously stated; If it is not against the CoC then it is simply game play (So says Turbine and their GMs) and is fair.

24 people zerging someone is poorsportsmanship. Just like someone taking a relic and roaming the moors for 30 minutes.

Originally Posted by frosty132

24 people zerging someone is poorsportsmanship.

To learn good sportsmanship you need to begin as a child. First you need to go outside with other children and learn how to share and be positive to the other children around you. As you grow up, you need to be social and join teams, possibly at school or after school teams. These experiences teach you about winning, losing and teamwork. After each game, you will shake the hand of the other team, win or lose to promote said term, sportsmanship. As you get older it becomes second nature to treat the other team with a certain amount of respect and win or lose, shake hands. Eventually, you learn to take losing in stride and become driven to be better and to not take your opponents for granted. This creates someone who strives to better themselves and overcome the challenges the other teams bring to the table while still being respectful to those who brought the challenges to you because without them you would not have anything to overcome.

That said, Rundamir, lolProton and the most of Ridders freeps missed an important part of this template for becoming a decent human being. They do not wish to challenge themselves, they only wish to steamroll so they can brag about a rank with no meaning. They do not respect the other team, they take every opportunity to disrespect the other team. They do not better themselves, they call the raid to help them get back from the rez or like that minstrel (hobbit minstrel rank 8)who chose to run away and not join the freep ball inside DG, they retreat. Like the child who gets picked last all the time they become unable to compete due to lack of confidence and self esteem. This creates what we call the "cry for help" mentality that we see on Riddermark.

Schools out. See ya when your grown up!

**edit** Ost is correct, not all freeps act like that, mainly the known raid babies. There are still plenty of freeps that I respect and that do show respect to others whether they are winning or losing. My generalization was unfair towards the few who do not participate in the activities that are in question. So *most* freeps instead of *the rest*

Originally Posted by SozuRogberry

To learn good sportsmanship you need to begin as a child. First you need to go outside with other children and learn how to share and be positive to the other children around you. As you grow up, you need to be social and join teams, possibly at school or after school teams. These experiences teach you about winning, losing and teamwork. After each game, you will shake the hand of the other team, win or lose to promote said term, sportsmanship. As you get older it becomes second nature to treat the other team with a certain amount of respect and win or lose, shake hands. Eventually, you learn to take losing in stride and become driven to be better and to not take your opponents for granted. This creates someone who strives to better themselves and overcome the challenges the other teams bring to the table while still being respectful to those who brought the challenges to you because without them you would not have anything to overcome.

+rep.

A good lesson for all players whether creep, freep or both... well all people period.



<3 Bonnie

Originally Posted by SozuRogberry

That said, Rundamir, lolProton and the rest of Ridders freeps missed an important part of this template for becoming a decent human being. They do not wish to challenge themselves, they only wish to steamroll so they can brag about a rank with no meaning. They do not respect the other team, they take every opportunity to disrespect the other team. They do not better themselves, they call the raid to help them get back from the rez or like that minstrel (hobbit minstrel rank 8)who chose to run away and not join the freep ball inside DG, they retreat. Like the child who gets picked last all the time they become unable to compete due to lack of confidence and self esteem. This creates what we call the "cry for help" mentality that we see on Riddermark.

I have seen both creeps and freeps act this way, high ranks and low ranks. The side one plays on does not dictate his or her personality; that person brings his or her own personality into the game. I don't think it's fair to make a harsh preconception about "the rest of the Ridders freeps", meaning e v e r y player who plays moors as a freep. Yes I mainly freep, so maybe one can say I am using freep goggles, trying to defend freeps as a whole. But I do my best to remember how individual players act towards me or others.

Originally Posted by Ohstaruh

I have seen both creeps and freeps act this way, high ranks and low ranks. The side one plays on does not dictate his or her personality; that person brings his or her own personality into the game. I don't think it's fair to make a harsh preconception about "the rest of the Ridders freeps", meaning e v e r y player who plays moors as a freep. Yes I mainly freep, so maybe one can say I am using freep goggles, trying to defend freeps as a whole. But I do my best to remember how individual players act towards me or others.

I saw a lot of the same activities from creeps when I was freeping, however it was always from creeps that were come and go and did not stay in the pvmp scene for long. Sure some got ranked up a fair bit but they never stayed long. We have rank 10, 11, 12 freeps here who act like they are still learning how to play with the other children and do not understand the most BASIC part of socializing. This may just be a game, but actions in game typically describe what kind of person they are in real life even if ever so slightly.

Check my edit, I shouldn't have put everyone in the same pot and I understand why anyone would be insulted to be put in the class of who I'm speaking of ^.~ I stand by the rest of what I've said.

Some excellent points ...

That being said: most creeps on RM are still pansies

To (mis)quote Bilbo:

Few of you deserve to be respected less than half as well as you think you should




























look for the humor and you may find it

Originally Posted by dontneed7

Some excellent points ...

That being said: most creeps on RM are still pansies

To (mis)quote Bilbo:

Few of you deserve to be respected less than half as well as you think you should

Originally Posted by Eckenbrand

HAH, I was thinking the same thing!!



I love how Adino can get everyone so riled up... Good on ya, brother!

Originally Posted by couillon

Pee pee post

Originally Posted by Summberbell

I second this

Originally Posted by Summberbell

Ugh. Maybe I'm mistaken, in which case, I apologise, but it seemed you were responding as though it was an attack upon your playstyle and it seems like you completely missed the point. I wasn't referring to you when I said those things and I thought I made that clear. I was taking all the common insults and gripes and combining them to make a point. Perhaps I should have stated that part to make it more clear. I don't know you and have no reason to attack you. I was simply attempting to discuss the differing viewpoints and shed some light on things without getting into all the constant bs. It's impossible to find understanding and respect when constantly flinging insults, trolling and screaming so loud you can't hear what the other person says.

Idgaf what people do out there, but there are simple truths involved that people choose to ignore. It's not about giving someone power over their fun, it's simple math, as I said. 24+ people whether creep or freep repeatedly rolling over one player, 1v1s or a smaller group fight impacts their idea of fun. If there is a raid on one side, generally everyone is where the raid is which leaves the Moors empty for people who don't enjoy raiding. It's not a complaint, not QQ, it's just reality. That's why many people do not like constant raiding on this server, it leaves them with little else to do unless they join in. They can't find roamers, soloers, or small groups to fight, they can't even PvE to find something else to do.

You said I didn't look at the flipside and I specifically did and explained the differences. I didn't even make it about freep vs creep, because it's not. Nor did I insult people who choose to raid. I even agreed with you at times. People cannot come to an understanding if they are unwilling to be aware of and listen to alternate views. I am completely aware of and respectfully acknowledging all sides of the argument, while trying to explain the "why" behind the differing views.

It's clear to me that many people here seem to either completely lack reading comprehension or are so sensitive to everything that they are completely unable to see a different point of view without calling it QQ, rage or a personal assault (a lot of this comment also stems from the garbage I constantly see in GLFF). Not to mention everyone has their respective goggles screwed so tightly upon their heads they have these ridiculous ideas and conspiracies floating through their minds.

If anyone is ever truly curious to learn what goes on in the Moors and remove their goggles, just go out there alone for a few days. Hide in the shadows and just watch. You'll gain a ton of perspective that many don't seem to be able to gain otherwise, just watching from a distance. I've always been able to see it, back to the days when I mainly only played freepside (and yes, during the time I would sometimes would join the fraid). I was often found just watching in stealth or from horseback and I've done the same creepside. You don't technically need to play both to be open minded and understanding to both sides, but for a lot of people, I think it's needed. Unfortunately, for some, when they switch sides, they just switch goggles and forget what it was like on the other side. That's why sometimes just watching is what it takes to really see.

Really there is no point in trying to have a discussion with most people here. People take things way too seriously and can't handle having an actual discussion and god forbid someone has a different point of view. More often than not there is no real discussion because people are too focused on trolling and insults and butthurt and I like to try to counter that. My attempts are apparently futile.

So continue on hating each other, trolling, insulting, denying, lying, rehashing the same old tired poop again and again and getting nowhere. It's apparent to me that many people just really enjoy having a reason to argue and hate each other and have zero interest in ever finding understanding and respect. Even though so many gripe about being insulted, trolled and the lack of respect while simultaneously doing that very thing to others. I'm out there to have fun and for me, it's more fun when I know my opponents are enjoying themselves as well and we aren't hating on each other. Sure, we talk smack and make fun of each other, but it's not done with any real hatred. Apparently, this is a silly mindset.

My apologies for the WoT and attempting to discuss a hot topic without being a jerk. I think I'll just go back to derailment, nonsense and silly pictures.

<3 Bonnie

I may have misunderstood your post and how it was directed. If I have, then "mea culpa"....

Originally Posted by Lagnaf

I may have misunderstood your post and how it was directed. If I have, then "mea culpa"....

Originally Posted by LightningXv

+rep to all those who where running with jong out there in the woods battling it out with us. Lots of chaos, both sides reaping souls, and not 1 attempt to ninja a keep. That was some good pvp; hope you guys had as much fun as we did.(never seen so many lm's in one spot)



Then adino showed up and everyone logged...bahahaha



We must unleash this kind of chaos in the moors more often.

I was hoping someone would mention this. It was tons of fun out there that night, and +rep to Jong for having his raid PVP the whole time I was out there.

Also, the amount of lms out there that night when I was online was insane, Lol. I remember when a reaver and I charged onto stab and immediately it was covered in 4-5 pools of black tar. I could hardly move LOL.

Good times though.

Originally Posted by dontneed7

That being said: most creeps on RM are still pansies

No, that would be you and your Go-Teams

I might just have to quit moors. Not that anyone cares.

It is getting completely ridiculous now.

I was hoping that u7 would attempt to balance things out, but as usual, I got my hopes up over nothing.

Sucide charges into every battle knowing that I will die because someone can mash random buttons and beat me is starting to get old.

Logging into the game to see "24-man Fraid at ___" is getting old. So is being camped at the slugs on a blue map.

It's kinda been the same it's always been
and I don't really peg you as the suicide charge kind of player
but I guess I'm just assuming you're not dying often, I've never seen you at a rez is all

and

freeps and creeps both do the 24 raid thing, it depends on what time you're on.

I logged in today, and everything was blue. It sucked
But a few hours ago, the map was flipped red, which also sucks but the point I'm trying to illustrate is that maybe you were just on at a bad time, cause it's definitely not always a 24 fraid moors. If that's the case, hopefully soon you'll get lucky and be on at a time with good pvp. maybe when there's one red rez and one blue rez. That IMO encourages fun fights, it's always a quick run back


P.S. if you're that warg that pounced me at 1k after I killed 2 creeps out of the 3 on me, my favorite part of my favorite song was on and I was in the zone and you RUINED IT

Anke, you're my favourite <3

Originally Posted by Selebrimbor

I might just have to quit moors. Not that anyone cares.

It is getting completely ridiculous now.

I was hoping that u7 would attempt to balance things out, but as usual, I got my hopes up over nothing.

Sucide charges into every battle knowing that I will die because someone can mash random buttons and beat me is starting to get old.

Logging into the game to see "24-man Fraid at ___" is getting old. So is being camped at the slugs on a blue map.

I feel this way constantly (obviously). The Riddermoors has always been kind of "odd" with ups and downs and it's become rather worse lately, in my opinion. The "updates" are unbelievably stupid as well, in terms of PvP in general and frankly, PvP in this game is, was and always will be "broken" to some extent because it's just not a PvP game.

HOWEVER...

I stick around because I enjoy PvP and many of the players on both sides. I'm in general not too pleased with the Moors here, but it is what it is. Every so often, there's that glimmer of hope. Every so often the PvP Gods smile upon us, send a little love and we get some really good fights, like tonight. We had a lovely battle of lesser numbers from WTAB to TA to the interior and back again, that went on for quite a long time (ending about midnight PST, for what that might be worth, don't recall when it started). Great pushing, suicidal tendencies and fighting from both sides. No one worried about dying or PvE, we all just duked it out. There was no rage, no hate and no bs. I think it's safe to say everyone walked away happy as both sides received ample kills and a really good battle.

Those are the moments I live for in PvP and I wish we could have more of that. Thanks to everyone involved. I had a lot of fun and I even got to CJ Gundel right as we were suicide-logging for the night. I haven't been able to give a legitimate and deserved CJ to anyone in ages! It felt sooooooo gooooooood. And oooo did he deserve it.

I will say, if you really love PvP in this game, rather than quit, try out a different server. We have a rather unique server and situation due in part to having a comparatively small PvP population. You will find more variety and action elsewhere.

Thanks again to the creeps and freeps I had the pleasure of healing and killing. I was so HoT for you.

<3 Bonnie

Woot i got mentioned by name FINALLY!!!!!!! sorry for the 7.4k ec crit was hopeing for a dev over 9k



.......also akara i am still wating on my screenie isnt photoshop done yet??

Originally Posted by Ohstaruh

freeps and creeps both do the 24 raid thing, it depends on what time you're on.

P.S. if you're that warg that pounced me at 1k after I killed 2 creeps out of the 3 on me, my favorite part of my favorite song was on and I was in the zone and you RUINED IT

Quick Note: I haven't seen a full creep raid in the Moors in a long time. However, considering creeps formed a raid to take keeps and turned a nice 12v10 (I'm even counting the wargs who won't jump anything above 2k morale) into a 3v10 I'm definitely not very partial to either side right now. I guess I'll just keep roaming around solo and hope for more solo players Freepside.

That was me <3. Also, (referring to your sig) I'm pretty sure I actually stopped attacking you after resisting your EC because I felt really bad <3 <3 <3.

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Originally Posted by Ohstaruh

It's kinda been the same it's always been
and I don't really peg you as the suicide charge kind of player
but I guess I'm just assuming you're not dying often, I've never seen you at a rez is all

and

freeps and creeps both do the 24 raid thing, it depends on what time you're on.

I logged in today, and everything was blue. It sucked
But a few hours ago, the map was flipped red, which also sucks but the point I'm trying to illustrate is that maybe you were just on at a bad time, cause it's definitely not always a 24 fraid moors. If that's the case, hopefully soon you'll get lucky and be on at a time with good pvp. maybe when there's one red rez and one blue rez. That IMO encourages fun fights, it's always a quick run back


P.S. if you're that warg that pounced me at 1k after I killed 2 creeps out of the 3 on me, my favorite part of my favorite song was on and I was in the zone and you RUINED IT

I sucide charge very often. You don't see me at the rez because I stealth right after I enter it . Comes from being rez camped too much XD.

I rarely ever see a full creep raid.

I would personally like it if both sides kept one rez. One of the reason i log off a blue map is because I get sick of running from Grams all the time. There are some creeps that insist that TR be kept blue so freeps have a rez, yet I have not seen nor heard of freeps feeling the same way.....as they take lugz with no problem .

Lol yes that was me (on my way back from the rez circle XD). Those 2 you killed were in my group, so I felt obliged to avenge them.

Originally Posted by Omez

Quick Note: I haven't seen a full creep raid in the Moors in a long time. However, considering creeps formed a raid to take keeps and turned a nice 12v10 (I'm even counting the wargs who won't jump anything above 2k morale) into a 3v10 I'm definitely not very partial to either side right now. I guess I'll just keep roaming around solo and hope for more solo players Freepside.

That was me <3. Also, (referring to your sig) I'm pretty sure I actually stopped attacking you after resisting your EC because I felt really bad <3 <3 <3.

Had a 22-creep raid yesterday when fighting Adinos full raid. We ended up farming them inside freep controlled TA.
It was funny. Imagine he always had to contend with even numbers...

/Aza

Well afterwards creeps had ON, which is doubly awful since that doesn't mean you will find soloers and small groups, it means that there are multiple raids working in unison. Also, the ON doesn't take ranks into effect (imagine there were a weighted system that discounted heavily freavers) so I'd say we're ON more often than we usually get the buff for.

I'm not so sure about that bud, i mean, freeps are outnumbered like 3/4 of the day while creeps are outnumbered 1/4 of the day normally, there is also a good amount of high ranked creeps and that's not all yet, now you can see rank 6 creeps that are very OP sooo, think about it

Originally Posted by Brianmagno

I'm not so sure about that bud, i mean, freeps are outnumbered like 3/4 of the day while creeps are outnumbered 1/4 of the day normally, there is also a good amount of high ranked creeps and that's not all yet, now you can see rank 6 creeps that are very OP sooo, think about it

To add....Numbers only mean something when they are hitting u...and then it breaks down to what rank/aud they are. Numbers don't tell you how many are just in grams/gv chewing the fat with friends or the casuals doing pve quests for Comms...ie avoiding pvp. ANother reason to have the OPTION of instanced pvp but turbine is too lazy for that.

I think i just got an idea for a sketch ;D

Originally Posted by Brianmagno

I'm not so sure about that bud, i mean, freeps are outnumbered like 3/4 of the day while creeps are outnumbered 1/4 of the day normally, there is also a good amount of high ranked creeps and that's not all yet, now you can see rank 6 creeps that are very OP sooo, think about it

ON buff means almost nothing with the large quantity of low ranks and questing creeps. Now of course Freeps are usually outnumbered simply from the excess of wargs that roam around (common theme with what I think is the Moor's problem right now) Rank may mean more Creepside than it does Freepside (Creeps gain more morale, power, damage, and finesse every rank by roughly 1%) since skills can be bought now rank doesn't mean much. Also, r6 creeps being very OP? 55 second long fire dots, now thats OP. Heartseeker hitting for 8k, now thats OP. Wardens healing through the DPS of half a raid of creeps, now thats OP. Think about it.