Thread: Why stop now?

Originally Posted by big_boi198

Funny

Adino's crew tries to justify why they do what they do and atara tries to justify how she's not upset, but constantly posts everytime she dies in the moors.

What would woopwoopwoop have to say about this?

I am hoping he would say "MAN, I need a new name"

+Rep to you all

Originally Posted by LEGOLAD

+Rep to you all

And you!!!!

Originally Posted by Fantoma

Hey Akara, what's your story anyways? You cute or what?

I'm a little immature girl, roughly 6-7 years of age -- yet I have a fantastic vocabulary and my comprehension level is through the roof!

I think I have pics on the IRL thread still?

Originally Posted by Fantoma

Hey Akara, what's your story anyways? You cute or what?

Originally Posted by astalyn

I'm adorably HAWT!

Originally Posted by Summberbell

LOL that's awesome

Originally Posted by astalyn

Awe, I didn't know posting my screenies meant I was upset!

And, for the record, if I posted every time I died in the moors... I'd have over 1500+ posts worth of screenshots! Wow, that's a lot! Not sure my photobucket account would hold that many, I would've had to create a second one!

Cool story,

I never said you were immature, i could care less how you are in real life. Throwing up random screenshots everyday stating that you either were chased off a bridge, zerged by wargs, spam tracked, to you is just a daily occurrence for the rest of us. Grow a pair

Originally Posted by big_boi198

Grow a pair

Attain a better level of reading and comprehension and then we'll talk

Originally Posted by astalyn

I'm a little immature girl, roughly 6-7 years of age -- yet I have a fantastic vocabulary and my comprehension level is through the roof!

I think I have pics on the IRL thread still?

Wow!! you should call me in roughly 2-3 years!



on a side note, I could look at Bonnie's posts with pictures and laugh all day long

I was highly flattered that 22 of you scrubs felt obligated to zerg my rank 5 weaver. bahahaha.

Next time, lube and let me bend over please. Thx ladies. FAIL

Originally Posted by ThunderbowStormshard

I was highly flattered that 22 of you scrubs felt obligated to zerg my rank 5 weaver. bahahaha.

Next time, lube and let me bend over please. Thx ladies. FAIL

Hey. You posted a pic of you getting zerged. Surely you must be upset and butthurt. Hug? <3

If I don't do it, somebody else will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGL2rytTraA&ob=av2e

Originally Posted by astalyn

Attain a better level of reading and comprehension and then we'll talk

I'm quite comfortable where I am in life atm. No need for further education on reading and comprehension.

Here is a simple idea for you. Why don't you start a thread where you post all your zerg pictures. That way all your friends can come pat you on the back and tell you everything will be ok.

Originally Posted by ThunderbowStormshard

I was highly flattered that 22 of you scrubs felt obligated to zerg my rank 5 weaver. bahahaha.

Next time, lube and let me bend over please. Thx ladies. FAIL

O no someone died in the moors.

At what rank do freeps get to kill creeps? All I see is a creep dieing. I don't look at rank. I dont look at how many are attacking a creep. Did creeps look at me when I was low rank and not attack me? Hell no. They attacked. Do creeps stop attacking me cause they see other creeps attacking me? Hell no. Stop crying cause you died in the moors. If you don't want to die, don't come to the moors. Trying to be funny? Your not funny.

If I or anyone reads these forums before they play no one would play. All ppl do is cry cry cry. You dont like the way they play. You make fun of the way they play. Well, guess what. They prob dont like the way you play either. Whether in jest or for real, ppl need to take a break from all the QQn that goes on. Its not the play styles of ppl on this server, its all the finger pointing. Ive played many pvp games and never have I seen such behavior. Get over this freeps do this or creeps do that. BOTH DO THE SAME. Saying that freeps try to ninja keeps is lol. I know I track many wargs following us every time. Creeps know exactly where freeps are at at all times. I know this cause when on creep side I see creeps calling out freeps in OOC all the time. Today freeps only able to take LC after many tries at TR, TA, and Lugz. Only to see creeps take the relics. Hmmm looks like creeps do the same. Try and alibi what Ive said all you want it doesn't change that BOTH sides do the same. Apparently no matter what anyone has said has changed anyone in the way they play. So why keep saying it? I would once like to read the forms without some negative remarks. Once see a true gratz thread without someone saying something bad about the person who ranked. Once like to see some positive comments (sarcasm is not positive).

Rant over.

Why do you guys do this?

Originally Posted by Tithias

Did creeps look at me when I was low rank and not attack me?

Rank means nothing freepside, unlike creepside. That's why people often argue about killing low ranked creeps. They are weak. It's akin to a creep smashing his face into the keyboard against a low level freep.

Originally Posted by Tithias

Hell no. They attacked. Do creeps stop attacking me cause they see other creeps attacking me? Hell no.

Hell yes, actually, because... not all creeps/freeps do that.

Originally Posted by Tithias

If I or anyone reads these forums before they play no one would play. All ppl do is cry cry cry. You dont like the way they play. You make fun of the way they play. Well, guess what. They prob dont like the way you play either.

Its not the play styles of ppl on this server, its all the finger pointing.

The finger pointing is a result of conflicting playstyles and a lack of respect and concern for one's opponents.

Difference is a soloer or small grouper does not and cannot ruin a raid or zerg's idea of fun PvP. Organized numbers control pvp and force their style of play upon everyone. Right or wrong, that's just how it is. That is why the people you see complaining, have a problem with it. No one finds it fun being stomped by 24+ people. People who enjoy 1v1s, soloing, roaming, small grouping cannot do these things freely with a raid running over them time and time again. Even if they avoid the raids, generally everyone will flock to them anyway because there's nothing else to be found, which leaves the Moors desolate. It's a vicious cycle. That is why it's a problem for so many. Many of the people who complain about things in the Moors are the people who do not enjoy 24/7 raiding, zerging, ganking, etc. Of course, there are some complainers who I see taking part in those activities and yet they still complain. I just laugh at those people.

Complaining obviously doesn't solve it because the people who take part in this behaviour just don't care about anyone else's fun, they only care about their own. But if venting makes someone feel better, let them have at it. They have every right. It's a community forum. Don't like it? Then choose to ignore it. If there is no audience for them, no one to respond and feed them, there will be little point to continue posting. However, believe it or not, some of these "discussions" have actually resulted in people coming together and trying something new out there. So while it may be rare, it's not completely a lost cause.

Originally Posted by Tithias

Ive played many pvp games and never have I seen such behavior.

I believe it's largely due to this server in particular being a very tight-knit community. Most of us have been here from the start and took an active part in each others gaming lives and molding the server from its infancy. Everyone came here from another server with the same hopeful glint in their eye about creating a PvP heaven. And while it's been a long time since the beginning, I think it's hard for a lot of people to let go of that. So people will have a lot of strong feelings toward their Moors and the people they play with.

Originally Posted by Tithias

Get over this freeps do this or creeps do that. BOTH DO THE SAME.

No, some players. Not all. Stop generalizing. It isn't about freep or creep, it's about individual players.

Originally Posted by Tithias

I would once like to read the forms without some negative remarks. Once see a true gratz thread without someone saying something bad about the person who ranked. Once like to see some positive comments (sarcasm is not positive).

There have been many positive grats threads. There have been a lot of positive posts and threads in general. It's just easier to notice the anger and miss out on the good, which is what i think you are doing. Take a better look around with a little objectivity and you'll see it. Many freeps and creeps get a long pretty well.

However, if the negativity is still too much to bear, the solution to your problem is to block posters you don't like or stop reading the forums. Or you can just respond with nonsense and derailment, like I do. People have every right to post whatever they want. The forums have always been this way and always will be. Some days there's more negativity than others, but it's always the same and the same complaints. It has been since the beginning. Welcome to the Ridder forums.

<3 Bonnie

I've never seen a creep hesitate to kill a low level Freep
Just saying

The more I think of it, the more interesting things get. Previously I used to mainly solo when Adino wasn't on and raid with him when he was online. Under these circumstances I was quite happy with both scenarios and eager to defend him. However, when I started playing a creep my perception has changed. The fraid would mercilessly bully my red rank toon and gank him over and over again. The weaker you are, the more often you are targeted. When I was trying to quest quite often I didn't have the chance since Adino's raid would control all the keep and leave watchers in each of them. Anyway, as a relatively experienced player I have ranked up instead of QQ and quitting, and can now hold my own in the Moors more or less decently. However, most of the population are greenies, and for them Adino is a pvp-killer whose presence means they can neither pvp, nor even pve. When they realize how expensive the skills and audacity are and compare it to their earnings, they either decide to quit, or keep doing OPs and other dull quests on all their toons.

Moreover, while the guys in Adino's raid are usually happy, everyone else freepside isn't. You can either do quests (not exciting), or solo/small-group (you will be ganked/will have to waste time looking for small groups of creeps). Or you can hug Adino's raid (where all the action is). In this case you are getting no heals, no buffs, no rezzes. And, worst of all, you have to adjust to Adino's strategy all the time, which is hardly possible to do when you are not part of the raid. Every now and then he would tell everyone to run to middle landing/outside/top floor in the middle of the fight. Naturally, I am estimating the freeps' chances in the fight all the time, but sometimes when things are going quite ok, everyone still starts running away, and I am being left alone to fight the creeps. This is not fun at all. In fact, I have lost over 100 rating points per day due to such nuisances and had to regain them solo when Adino's raid wasn't out. Unfortunately, I can't suggest a solution for this problem. I can understand the opinions of all the player factions involved in this conflict, but it's hard to come up with a plan how to suit everyone's needs: pve-rs, pvp-ers, 1 vs 1-ers, raiders, soloers, small-groupers, etc.

Originally Posted by Summberbell

Rank means nothing freepside, unlike creepside. That's why people often argue about killing low ranked creeps. They are weak. It's akin to a creep smashing his face into the keyboard against a low level freep.

So Ive said it before Ill say it again. What do you want freeps to do? Hold creeps hands till they rank up? Stop crying that a low rank creep has been killed. Its the moors. Your gonna die. If you dont wanna die, dont come to the moors.

No one says anything about the low ranks that are not attacked. Yet there are many low ranks that are left to quest or do whatever. But if a low rank has been fighting or attacks, they will get the same in response.

Originally Posted by Summberbell

Hell yes, actually, because... not all creeps/freeps do that.

When I play creep side Ive been killed by freeps that on creep side complain about this. Yes I know who you are on your freep. And yet you do what you complain about while playing freep.

Originally Posted by Summberbell

The finger pointing is a result of conflicting playstyles and a lack of respect and concern for one's opponents.

Difference is a soloer or small grouper does not and cannot ruin a raid or zerg's idea of fun PvP. Organized numbers control pvp and force their style of play upon everyone. Right or wrong, that's just how it is. That is why the people you see complaining, have a problem with it. No one finds it fun being stomped by 24+ people. People who enjoy 1v1s, soloing, roaming, small grouping cannot do these things freely with a raid running over them time and time again. Even if they avoid the raids, generally everyone will flock to them anyway because there's nothing else to be found, which leaves the Moors desolate. It's a vicious cycle. That is why it's a problem for so many. Many of the people who complain about things in the Moors are the people who do not enjoy 24/7 raiding, zerging, ganking, etc. Of course, there are some complainers who I see taking part in those activities and yet they still complain. I just laugh at those people.

Complaining obviously doesn't solve it because the people who take part in this behaviour just don't care about anyone else's fun, they only care about their own. But if venting makes someone feel better, let them have at it. They have every right. It's a community forum. Don't like it? Then choose to ignore it. If there is no audience for them, no one to respond and feed them, there will be little point to continue posting. However, believe it or not, some of these "discussions" have actually resulted in people coming together and trying something new out there. So while it may be rare, it's not completely a lost cause.

So when creeps/freeps are soloing its wrong for others to group or raid up? That would be forcing their play style on those that want to group or raid up. Soloers care about their own fun and not the fun of those that want to group or raid up. Just because some dont have fun at grouping or raiding up doesnt mean that others dont. I gone many times without grouping or raiding up and sometimes have fun sometimes dont. Ppl need to stop saying that either play style is better than the other. Both are fun to different ppl.

Originally Posted by Summberbell

I believe it's largely due to this server in particular being a very tight-knit community. Most of us have been here from the start and took an active part in each others gaming lives and molding the server from its infancy. Everyone came here from another server with the same hopeful glint in their eye about creating a PvP heaven. And while it's been a long time since the beginning, I think it's hard for a lot of people to let go of that. So people will have a lot of strong feelings toward their Moors and the people they play with.



No, some players. Not all. Stop generalizing. It isn't about freep or creep, it's about individual players.

I dont call out individual players. All that does is have that player respond back in same. Then all you have is a word war. Both sides need to back off the character attacks and play.

Originally Posted by Summberbell

There have been many positive grats threads. There have been a lot of positive posts and threads in general. It's just easier to notice the anger and miss out on the good, which is what i think you are doing. Take a better look around with a little objectivity and you'll see it. Many freeps and creeps get a long pretty well.

However, if the negativity is still too much to bear, the solution to your problem is to block posters you don't like or stop reading the forums. Or you can just respond with nonsense and derailment, like I do. People have every right to post whatever they want. The forums have always been this way and always will be. Some days there's more negativity than others, but it's always the same and the same complaints. It has been since the beginning. Welcome to the Ridder forums.

<3 Bonnie

My point here was to those that input negative into whats supposed to be a positive. If you have something to say to someone send them a tell.

Originally Posted by imkush

Why do you guys do this?

The same reason you are in EC right now?

Originally Posted by imkush

Why do you guys do this?

Is that a clearing of OC? And if so, how is it any different than creeps clearing out EC to go after 1 freep?

Originally Posted by Otdanon

The more I think of it, the more interesting things get. Previously I used to mainly solo when Adino wasn't on and raid with him when he was online. Under these circumstances I was quite happy with both scenarios and eager to defend him. However, when I started playing a creep my perception has changed. The fraid would mercilessly bully my red rank toon and gank him over and over again. The weaker you are, the more often you are targeted. When I was trying to quest quite often I didn't have the chance since Adino's raid would control all the keep and leave watchers in each of them. Anyway, as a relatively experienced player I have ranked up instead of QQ and quitting, and can now hold my own in the Moors more or less decently. However, most of the population are greenies, and for them Adino is a pvp-killer whose presence means they can neither pvp, nor even pve. When they realize how expensive the skills and audacity are and compare it to their earnings, they either decide to quit, or keep doing OPs and other dull quests on all their toons.

Moreover, while the guys in Adino's raid are usually happy, everyone else freepside isn't. You can either do quests (not exciting), or solo/small-group (you will be ganked/will have to waste time looking for small groups of creeps). Or you can hug Adino's raid (where all the action is). In this case you are getting no heals, no buffs, no rezzes. And, worst of all, you have to adjust to Adino's strategy all the time, which is hardly possible to do when you are not part of the raid. Every now and then he would tell everyone to run to middle landing/outside/top floor in the middle of the fight. Naturally, I am estimating the freeps' chances in the fight all the time, but sometimes when things are going quite ok, everyone still starts running away, and I am being left alone to fight the creeps. This is not fun at all. In fact, I have lost over 100 rating points per day due to such nuisances and had to regain them solo when Adino's raid wasn't out. Unfortunately, I can't suggest a solution for this problem. I can understand the opinions of all the player factions involved in this conflict, but it's hard to come up with a plan how to suit everyone's needs: pve-rs, pvp-ers, 1 vs 1-ers, raiders, soloers, small-groupers, etc.

For the months that Adino was gone I had a terrible time in the moors. Map was red over 90% of the time. Whether they were grouped up or not creeps zerged me constantly. It didnt stop me from coming to the moors nor did I cry on the forums about creeps killing me.

I dont always raid with Adino when he is out. Sometimes I do, sometimes I dont. My rating goes stays up more when Im not in Adino's raids than when Im in his raids.

Originally Posted by Fantoma

Is that a clearing of OC? And if so, how is it any different than creeps clearing out EC to go after 1 freep?

Not different at all. I'm all for complaining about terrible playstyles but rushing the camp for kills is totally acceptable.

Originally Posted by Tithias

For the months that Adino was gone I had a terrible time in the moors. Map was red over 90% of the time. Whether they were grouped up or not creeps zerged me constantly. It didnt stop me from coming to the moors nor did I cry on the forums about creeps killing me.

I dont always raid with Adino when he is out. Sometimes I do, sometimes I dont. My rating goes stays up more when Im not in Adino's raids than when Im in his raids.

What you are saying is that Moors with Adino is better than Moors without him. That is obvious to any objective rational-minded player out there, both creeps and freeps. Well, maybe except for the few creep-fails who enjoy zerging and doing pve all day on a red map.

The idea of my post was just to share my thoughts on how things look from different perspectives. Sometimes I can feel people, myself included, talking like they have those widely-mentioned goggles of some type on.

Originally Posted by Tithias

I dont always raid with Adino when he is out. Sometimes I do, sometimes I dont. My rating goes stays up more when Im not in Adino's raids than when Im in his raids.

I have a hard time believing(if I am understanding correctly) that your rating goes/stays up more outside of his raids. Just a personal opinion from months of raiding with him on a squishy class(LM). My rating would skyrocket in his raid, and slowly fall outside of it.

Originally Posted by bigearsandall

I have a hard time believing(if I am understanding correctly) that your rating goes/stays up more outside of his raids. Just a personal opinion from months of raiding with him on a squishy class(LM). My rating would skyrocket in his raid, and slowly fall outside of it.

Friday night raiding w/ Adino my rating went down to 1093. Saturday before I joined Adino's group my rating went to 1337.
Seems like you admit here that you do better in his raids than you do out?

Yes I believe my post said something along the lines of my rating skyrockets in his raid and dropped out of it? So yes I admit to it(again). I stopped playing 3 days after Adino came back all this is from past experience. That being said I don't think you can prove your rating goes up more outside of his raid because of a 2 day span lol. I am pretty sure it has gone up considerably from being in his raid on other days. More often than not your rating will go up from being in his raid. But if it makes you feel better about joining em then so be it.

All that said, when Adino quit the game I mostly solo'd with an occasional small group here and there and maintained a 1300-1400 rating(woot woooot!!) I learned more about the game and my classes not raiding and ultimately had more fun. Everyone is allowed to do what they want. But I can't see how you can argue your rating doesn't consistently go up when joining his raids.

Originally Posted by Otdanon

The more I think of it, the more interesting things get. Previously I used to mainly solo when Adino wasn't on and raid with him when he was online. Under these circumstances I was quite happy with both scenarios and eager to defend him. However, when I started playing a creep my perception has changed. The fraid would mercilessly bully my red rank toon and gank him over and over again. The weaker you are, the more often you are targeted. When I was trying to quest quite often I didn't have the chance since Adino's raid would control all the keep and leave watchers in each of them. Anyway, as a relatively experienced player I have ranked up instead of QQ and quitting, and can now hold my own in the Moors more or less decently. However, most of the population are greenies, and for them Adino is a pvp-killer whose presence means they can neither pvp, nor even pve. When they realize how expensive the skills and audacity are and compare it to their earnings, they either decide to quit, or keep doing OPs and other dull quests on all their toons.

Moreover, while the guys in Adino's raid are usually happy, everyone else freepside isn't. You can either do quests (not exciting), or solo/small-group (you will be ganked/will have to waste time looking for small groups of creeps). Or you can hug Adino's raid (where all the action is). In this case you are getting no heals, no buffs, no rezzes. And, worst of all, you have to adjust to Adino's strategy all the time, which is hardly possible to do when you are not part of the raid. Every now and then he would tell everyone to run to middle landing/outside/top floor in the middle of the fight. Naturally, I am estimating the freeps' chances in the fight all the time, but sometimes when things are going quite ok, everyone still starts running away, and I am being left alone to fight the creeps. This is not fun at all. In fact, I have lost over 100 rating points per day due to such nuisances and had to regain them solo when Adino's raid wasn't out. Unfortunately, I can't suggest a solution for this problem. I can understand the opinions of all the player factions involved in this conflict, but it's hard to come up with a plan how to suit everyone's needs: pve-rs, pvp-ers, 1 vs 1-ers, raiders, soloers, small-groupers, etc.

I'm... impressed. +rep

Originally Posted by Fantoma

Is that a clearing of OC? And if so, how is it any different than creeps clearing out EC to go after 1 freep?

Adino raids to clear OC and creeps storm EC ungrouped? I'm not a fan of either.

Originally Posted by Tithias

For the months that Adino was gone I had a terrible time in the moors. Map was red over 90% of the time. Whether they were grouped up or not creeps zerged me constantly. It didnt stop me from coming to the moors nor did I cry on the forums about creeps killing me.

I dont always raid with Adino when he is out. Sometimes I do, sometimes I dont. My rating goes stays up more when Im not in Adino's raids than when Im in his raids.

The fact that you have a hard time soloing isn't something to bring up in an argument!

Rv1 dosn't make you a better player, no does it create good pvp! Flipping the map vs. 2 creeps dosn't make you a better playe r or create good pvp! As a noob goldtagger/zergling/raider for ranks 1-7, 8-soon 10 solo/duo I can honestly say I've had infinitely more fun and I'm a better player because of it!

Originally Posted by LEGOLAD

The fact that you have a hard time soloing isn't something to bring up in an argument!

Rv1 dosn't make you a better player, no does it create good pvp! Flipping the map vs. 2 creeps dosn't make you a better playe r or create good pvp! As a noob goldtagger/zergling/raider for ranks 1-7, 8-soon 10 solo/duo I can honestly say I've had infinitely more fun and I'm a better player because of it!

What Ive tried to say is just because some dont like raids doesnt mean that its wrong. Its another strategy that some like. If you dont want to raid, fine dont raid. But dont come down on those who want to raid. Everyone seems to get bent out of shape saying that others push their play style on them, well saying that its wrong to raid is pushing your play style on others. No one is forcing you to raid up. Dont force others to not raid up. If you have fun not raiding up then good. If others have fun raiding up, good let them.

I don't understand why you freeps can't get it through your thick skulls about the whole ec/oc thing.

Freep raids do that because creeps map in there unexpecting as to what they are going to get. Crude TA is the easiest map to get so all noob creeps use it to get close to the fight. Freep raids have no business clearing oc and waiting for map ins, but that's what you clowns do daily until we all map in at once and roll you or creeps get smart and don't go to oc...

Creep raids do that because all of you run to ec before going anywhere else. Freeps don't just appear in ec and lag while they load and can't fight back for ten seconds. No, they choose to go to ec to find a fight. Freeps know exactly what they are getting by going to ec, a fight or zerged until freeps get smart and go somewhere other than ec....

EC and OC are nothing at all alike. Freeps on Riddermark just like to say it is to hide their cowardice.

If you can't even understand something so simple, maybe it's time to roll a creep on another server and see how freeps don't act like this. Sure there are zergs and all that but they don't come to the forums and pat themselves on the back for 'raiding' oc or after running away from a fight to take a keep on the other side of the map. This server is the only server I've played on that the freeps are actually proud of actions like this. If you are going to do it, shut up about it and don't try to defend your actions because you just look as green as the permanent boots on Protons buff bars. In the end points are points but bragging about it is just lame and shows your true self to the rest of the server.

Lastly, lolProton. Turn your frown upside down and see ya when your grown up!

Originally Posted by Tithias

What Ive tried to say is just because some dont like raids doesnt mean that its wrong. Its another strategy that some like. If you dont want to raid, fine dont raid. But dont come down on those who want to raid. Everyone seems to get bent out of shape saying that others push their play style on them, well saying that its wrong to raid is pushing your play style on others. No one is forcing you to raid up. Dont force others to not raid up. If you have fun not raiding up then good. If others have fun raiding up, good let them.

You are correct in saying that people are allowed to do as they please in the moors. However a raid(on either side) is pushing there play style on others. I've never seen or heard of a soloer disrupt/wipe a raid..but on Riddermark I've seen countless soloers get destroyed by a raid. In the end who is really pushing play styles on who?

What big ears said!
And tith, I'm not trying to force my playstyle on you or insult yours, the problem
Is a certain wardens raids occur when there is absolutly no need for a raid! A full raid of freeps vs. 7-8 creeps makes all the creeps log and ruins my fun!
I'm sure many who protest the constant raiding like to raid occasionally, but only when its actually needed! Not just any time there are 7+ freeps in the moors!

Originally Posted by LEGOLAD

What big ears said!
And tith, I'm not trying to force my playstyle on you or insult yours, the problem
Is a certain wardens raids occur when there is absolutly no need for a raid! A full raid of freeps vs. 7-8 creeps makes all the creeps log and ruins my fun!
I'm sure many who protest the constant raiding like to raid occasionally, but only when its actually needed! Not just any time there are 7+ freeps in the moors!

Nor does the certain warden raid up all the time sometimes its small groups which not all seem to realize.

So when are freeps allowed to raid up? Because if your saying never then your forcing your play style on those who want to raid up.

Originally Posted by Tithias

So Ive said it before Ill say it again. What do you want freeps to do? Hold creeps hands till they rank up? Stop crying that a low rank creep has been killed. Its the moors. Your gonna die. If you dont wanna die, dont come to the moors.

Um, you complain about negativity and bad attitudes and that's what you're giving me. You accuse me of crying when I haven't even complained or cried once. It is nice to know however, that you accuse people of crying who don't agree with your viewpoint. Don't blame others for all the animosity when you do just fine bringing your own. I was actually being pretty polite to you in my original response and none of it was an attack on you nor anyone else.

I never said anything of the sort. I was merely explaining something to you. So I'll appreciate you not making assumptions about what I do and do not want. If you knew anything about me, you'd know I die plenty and funny thing is, I don't care nor do I ever "QQ" about it in the forums or GLFF.

Originally Posted by Tithias

When I play creep side Ive been killed by freeps that on creep side complain about this. Yes I know who you are on your freep. And yet you do what you complain about while playing freep.

Ok, your argument is fleeting and now you've decided to start making up lies.

It's not hard to know who my toons are when they are listed in every forum post I make.

Please enlighten me. Who do you think my freep is and please explain in detail the scenario where I did these things to you. Because I can put money down on the fact that I do continually not zerg, gank, raid, etc. your toons with my freep. And in case you wish to change it to talking about my creep, I give you the same answer.

It's blindingly obvious that you haven't the slightest clue as to who I am or what I do in the Moors. I guarantee you are just generalizing your general hatred of people toward anyone who tries to have a discussion with you that doesn't agree with your viewpoint.

Originally Posted by Tithias

So when creeps/freeps are soloing its wrong for others to group or raid up? That would be forcing their play style on those that want to group or raid up. Soloers care about their own fun and not the fun of those that want to group or raid up. Just because some dont have fun at grouping or raiding up doesnt mean that others dont. I gone many times without grouping or raiding up and sometimes have fun sometimes dont. Ppl need to stop saying that either play style is better than the other. Both are fun to different ppl.

I never implied anything of the sort. I merely was explaining as to the why about how people felt the way they do in the great debate. Organized numbers > all. It's simple math. That's all there is to it and there's no denying it and that's all I was trying to explain.

It's obvious that you are incapable of having a civil discussion. I never attacked you or said anything negative. I never even complained and yet you just rush right out and jump all over me. It seems you are the one with the inability to be "positive" objective and civil here. You reap what you sow.

<3 Bonnie

Originally Posted by SozuRogberry

I don't understand why you freeps can't get it through your thick skulls about the whole ec/oc thing.

Freep raids do that because creeps map in there unexpecting as to what they are going to get. Crude TA is the easiest map to get so all noob creeps use it to get close to the fight. Freep raids have no business clearing oc and waiting for map ins, but that's what you clowns do daily until we all map in at once and roll you or creeps get smart and don't go to oc...

Creep raids do that because all of you run to ec before going anywhere else. Freeps don't just appear in ec and lag while they load and can't fight back for ten seconds. No, they choose to go to ec to find a fight. Freeps know exactly what they are getting by going to ec, a fight or zerged until freeps get smart and go somewhere other than ec....

EC and OC are nothing at all alike. Freeps on Riddermark just like to say it is to hide their cowardice.

If you can't even understand something so simple, maybe it's time to roll a creep on another server and see how freeps don't act like this. Sure there are zergs and all that but they don't come to the forums and pat themselves on the back for 'raiding' oc or after running away from a fight to take a keep on the other side of the map. This server is the only server I've played on that the freeps are actually proud of actions like this. If you are going to do it, shut up about it and don't try to defend your actions because you just look as green as the permanent boots on Protons buff bars. In the end points are points but bragging about it is just lame and shows your true self to the rest of the server.

Lastly, lolProton. Turn your frown upside down and see ya when your grown up!

And what you dont get thru your thick skull is that its the moors. The only safe places are inside GV and Grams. Everyone else is not, not even inside OC or EC. Dont matter if there are maps to OC creeps can run back. I know this I play creep also and I run back or to any location if needed. And I dont see many posts on forums about freeps happy they zerged OC just creeps unhappy that it happened. So what its the moors.

Tithiras.. buddy... Please actually read my posts before you respond! I stated that raids are okay when they are necessary ie. Other side has a raid, Other side has lots of #'s, there are alot online on both side and a raid would improve pvp!
Not at 3pm eastern when there are 5 creeps out and a full fraid

Raid when there is enough creeps who are grouped/standing beside one another to fight back. That doesn't mean 24 greenies either. Stop trying to flip the map completely blue. I've been in countless Adino raids and I know how it works. We'd fight an open field fight and then after one side wiped the other(usually freeps would win) we would try to take every keep that was red(or try to). Why would you want to take back creeps rez? Is that going to make the fights better? Stop killing someone because they attacked you at one point during the day with a raid and are now trying to solo. I've seen the raid kill someone on Adino's command in a 1v1 at GTA just because that creep fought against them at some point during the day with a creep raid. Something alone the lines of "kill him I don't care if its a 1v1 he fought against us earlier." His small groups ALWAYS turn into raid within 30 minutes also..don't kid yourself.

Just had a warden pop NS as soon as I pounced him solo riding back from GV... then he logged out while I chewed on him

Yeah, raiding definitely helped that dude become a better player

Originally Posted by SozuRogberry

I don't understand why you freeps can't get it through your thick skulls about the whole ec/oc thing.

Freep raids do that because creeps map in there unexpecting as to what they are going to get. Crude TA is the easiest map to get so all noob creeps use it to get close to the fight. Freep raids have no business clearing oc and waiting for map ins, but that's what you clowns do daily until we all map in at once and roll you or creeps get smart and don't go to oc...

Creep raids do that because all of you run to ec before going anywhere else. Freeps don't just appear in ec and lag while they load and can't fight back for ten seconds. No, they choose to go to ec to find a fight. Freeps know exactly what they are getting by going to ec, a fight or zerged until freeps get smart and go somewhere other than ec....

EC and OC are nothing at all alike. Freeps on Riddermark just like to say it is to hide their cowardice.

If you can't even understand something so simple, maybe it's time to roll a creep on another server and see how freeps don't act like this. Sure there are zergs and all that but they don't come to the forums and pat themselves on the back for 'raiding' oc or after running away from a fight to take a keep on the other side of the map. This server is the only server I've played on that the freeps are actually proud of actions like this. If you are going to do it, shut up about it and don't try to defend your actions because you just look as green as the permanent boots on Protons buff bars. In the end points are points but bragging about it is just lame and shows your true self to the rest of the server.

Lastly, lolProton. Turn your frown upside down and see ya when your grown up!

It just seems almost.... convenient for you to say that 10 creeps clearing EC is okay to get one freep, yet 10 freeps clearing OC to get one creep is bad.