Thread: Freeps

Originally Posted by Pelious

not bad, dont you count the 15-20 npc`s that were fighting us as well ??

Originally Posted by Reapor

not bad, dont you count the 15-20 npc`s that were fighting us as well ??

We just sharing the Lub lol

Although is that supposed to be 33 or 93. depends on the math. Or is it a UMAD moment

Originally Posted by Reapor

not bad, dont you count the 15-20 npc`s that were fighting us as well ??

yeah cos they really make a difference......A ward\Guard can handle them solo with heals....hell even without heals so 33 freeps wouldnt have even felt them.

it was more later on. The funny thing was that we wiped them in TA so keep ya heads up creeps, we are OP as hell!

Originally Posted by Ricen

Or is it a UMAD moment

Originally Posted by Reapor

not bad, dont you count the 15-20 npc`s that were fighting us as well ??

At least cowering in the corner makes a change from hugging the stairs.

Hmmm...one warg in the creep raid. How odd. Im convinced I saw a few more. Guess they dont count though. Or could have been my imagination. Just a big bundle of fur after all. Never did anyone any harm.

Well, I doubt that the NPCs made a difference, though I was not there.

A few days ago I saw the fastest kill on a Tyrant I'd ever seen. Though they were unopposed, a freep raid ninja'd into TA on horseback, and had the Tyrant dead within 10 seconds of pulling. I was on my BA and I used screaming shafts on a freep when the Tyrant was on 130k. When that skill finished, he was on 10k.

That dps is just unfathomably powerful.

You are a raid of 19.

Criista and Gnashak are none raided... I assume Criista isn't the only warg not in raid.

Usually at good peaktimes there are about 6-11 wargs out.

24 can raid and I assume some freeps don't listen to leader...

If a warden would pull whole TA, creeps would easy pick him out with a raid of 19 even if there are a freep raid of 24 and 8 soloers.

The thing everyone is doing wrong is running... If you run you die, since you can't fight back running.

Let's say a warden pulls TA and a Mini and/or RK heals this warden... Not only will the healer get the loose NPC's they will have all NPC's if or when the Warden is dead.

I agree that Warden is OP but it's possible to stop it with a 19 creep raid with a wargpack.

I have noticed so many times freeps running away even though we have a good chance of winning but with some casulties... But I guess that is what bothering some, NO I CAN DIE!!! I DON'T WANNA DIE!!! LET'S GET OUT OF HERE!!!! well that is the wonderfull thing with this game, you can get rezzed or retreat, you don't die.
And I think creeps are no different.

Also counting math and tracks saying there is 33 freeps doesn't mean 33 freeps are fighting you.
Freeps and Creeps has to grow some and actually do something other than hiding in a corner afraid of playing a game where you are supposed to be fighting.
If you are loosing, change strategy, log a freep ask for more creeps to help you fight, it can't get worse.
Freeps asks for help in globallff why can't creeps?
Once upon a time creeps and freeps had nice tactics but now it's like a maraton trying to bite eachothers behinds.

My point is, what does numbers say? That you are outnumbered? so what? Even Criista says you whiped freeps from TA. So stop moaning and fight! You are Creep's not Elves! (That sounded good, but I am actually not telling only creeps, it's meant at both Creeps and Freeps)

Edit:

Originally Posted by Squelcher

Well, I doubt that the NPCs made a difference, though I was not there.

Originally Posted by Squelcher

A few days ago I saw the fastest kill on a Tyrant I'd ever seen. Though they were unopposed, a freep raid ninja'd into TA on horseback, and had the Tyrant dead within 10 seconds of pulling. I was on my BA and I used screaming shafts on a freep when the Tyrant was on 130k. When that skill finished, he was on 10k.

That dps is just unfathomably powerful.

Agree, yea sadly enough... Audacity has changed DPS but not the one made on NPC's.
But I won't say DPS is to high... it's good enough for PvE, but something more must be done in EM.

Glad my evening was fun last night, pretty awesome fight we had, it was my cup of tea ^^ ty to those that lead the raid on both side, hope this sort of action keeps up not some boring fights

Originally Posted by The_Legacy

If a warden would pull whole TA, creeps would easy pick him out with a raid of 19 even if there are a freep raid of 24 and 8 soloers.



I agree that Warden is OP but it's possible to stop it with a 19 creep raid with a wargpack.

I have noticed so many times freeps running away even though we have a good chance of winning but with some casulties... But I guess that is what bothering some, NO I CAN DIE!!! I DON'T WANNA DIE!!! LET'S GET OUT OF HERE!!!! well that is the wonderfull thing with this game, you can get rezzed or retreat, you don't die.
And I think creeps are no different.

Also counting math and tracks saying there is 33 freeps doesn't mean 33 freeps are fighting you.
Freeps and Creeps has to grow some and actually do something other than hiding in a corner afraid of playing a game where you are supposed to be fighting.
If you are loosing, change strategy, log a freep ask for more creeps to help you fight, it can't get worse.
Freeps asks for help in globallff why can't creeps?
Once upon a time creeps and freeps had nice tactics but now it's like a maraton trying to bite eachothers behinds.

My point is, what does numbers say? That you are outnumbered? so what? Even Criista says you whiped freeps from TA. So stop moaning and fight! You are Creep's not Elves! (That sounded good, but I am actually not telling only creeps, it's meant at both Creeps and Freeps)
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Haha, 19 creeps won't kill a warden for quite some time, lol. I've seen a warden survive 19 creeps solo for 1-2 minutes, and if you add 1 RK healing in this case, lol. He'll live till he is out of power.

NPCS are worthless against heavy armour, really worthless. And if you add one RK healing, you got all the healing you need for a decade.


As for wargs, doesn't matter if there's 5 or 10 wargs about. They can't see each other, they are NOT grouped and they don't know if they are alone or not. All a warg can do is pick off the weak and injured targets at the outskirts of the flock. Those 10 wargs cannot do ANYTHING about the main freep group, they are only there to make sure that when a freep does a mistake, he is punished for it.

So yeah, it's pretty much 19 vs 33. And remember creep tracking range is only 90m, meaning all freeps on track are pretty damn close and active in the fighting. Standing alone somewhere isn't an option for freeps, they are all huddled together in one group, herded in by wargs, wargs who cannot touch the main flock.

Creeps ask for help in OOC all the time, Gildis, but all available forces are already at the fight.... And with the new commendation system, no new creeps are coming in and old players have been chased away by unbalance and a turbine ignoring creep side. The reasons why we got many new creeps about are that a lot of freeps found out their freep was too op and it was too easy, and that a lot of freeps get comms on creep side.


That being said, I'm sure it was fun last night and I wish I had been there.

Originally Posted by stoffi

He'll live till he is out of power.

Didn't you realise? Wardens have a power restore gamit. Doesn't heal much, but it's enough to keep it up.

The dps the freeps demonstrated against the Tyrant on the day I mentioned was something I'd expect to see from a battalion of tanks, not a bunch of screaming elves with musical instruments.

Originally Posted by stoffi

Haha, 19 creeps won't kill a warden for quite some time, lol. I've seen a warden survive 19 creeps solo for 1-2 minutes, and if you add 1 RK healing in this case, lol. He'll live till he is out of power.

NPCS are worthless against heavy armour, really worthless. And if you add one RK healing, you got all the healing you need for a decade.


As for wargs, doesn't matter if there's 5 or 10 wargs about. They can't see each other, they are NOT grouped and they don't know if they are alone or not. All a warg can do is pick off the weak and injured targets at the outskirts of the flock. Those 10 wargs cannot do ANYTHING about the main freep group, they are only there to make sure that when a freep does a mistake, he is punished for it.

So yeah, it's pretty much 19 vs 33. And remember creep tracking range is only 90m, meaning all freeps on track are pretty damn close and active in the fighting. Standing alone somewhere isn't an option for freeps, they are all huddled together in one group, herded in by wargs, wargs who cannot touch the main flock.

Creeps ask for help in OOC all the time, Gildis, but all available forces are already at the fight.... And with the new commendation system, no new creeps are coming in and old players have been chased away by unbalance and a turbine ignoring creep side. The reasons why we got many new creeps about are that a lot of freeps found out their freep was too op and it was too easy, and that a lot of freeps get comms on creep side.


That being said, I'm sure it was fun last night and I wish I had been there.

Meh, not sure if I wanna continue this... I was falling for a troll and happend to troll some more...

It's nice to know it was nice fights in EM, I got the total opposit vision in my head from "reading" the first post.

Originally Posted by The_Legacy

Meh, not sure if I wanna continue this... I was falling for a troll and happend to troll some more...

It's nice to know it was nice fights in EM, I got the total opposit vision in my head from "reading" the first post.

You would be surprised to see how strong a Warden can be... ^^ The more ppl attacking him, the merrier he is!


Anyways, I enjoy being in the moors these days and that's why I play. There are huge flaws ofc, certain op classes, freep side's dps, heals and defence being over a few tops, but as a warg I can control my environment better than most creeps and thus avoid the zerg and most of the bad stuff.

The future isn't very bright though, unless they change the commendation system and balance pvp better.

Originally Posted by stoffi

You would be surprised to see how strong a Warden can be... ^^ The more ppl attacking him, the merrier he is!


Anyways, I enjoy being in the moors these days and that's why I play. There are huge flaws ofc, certain op classes, freep side's dps, heals and defence being over a few tops, but as a warg I can control my environment better than most creeps and thus avoid the zerg and most of the bad stuff.

The future isn't very bright though, unless they change the commendation system and balance pvp better.

So you mean by that that you're enjoying collecting quest items and killing npcs, right?

Originally Posted by stoffi

Haha, 19 creeps won't kill a warden for quite some time, lol. I've seen a warden survive 19 creeps solo for 1-2 minutes, and if you add 1 RK healing in this case, lol. He'll live till he is out of power.

1-2 mintues ? did he fought 19 greenies rank1 reavers ? coz if not those creeps failed badly then i mean really badly if it took them 2 minteus to kill him.

Originally Posted by stoffi

Haha, 19 creeps won't kill a warden for quite some time, lol. I've seen a warden survive 19 creeps solo for 1-2 minutes, and if you add 1 RK healing in this case, lol. He'll live till he is out of power.

As for wargs, doesn't matter if there's 5 or 10 wargs about. They can't see each other, they are NOT grouped and they don't know if they are alone or not. All a warg can do is pick off the weak and injured targets at the outskirts of the flock. Those 10 wargs cannot do ANYTHING about the main freep group, they are only there to make sure that when a freep does a mistake, he is punished for it.

Stoff, 1-2 minutes is quite an exaggeration, the warden would be stunned and killed very quickly, or power drained. The dps of 19 creeps is too much if they are raided. If they're not raided, the warden could last about 35-40 seconds.

Wargs can play more of a part in a big fight than that. The trouble is that many wargs don't consider anything short of a certain kill to be worth the risk.

Originally Posted by Squelcher

Stoff, 1-2 minutes is quite an exaggeration, the warden would be stunned and killed very quickly, or power drained. The dps of 19 creeps is too much if they are raided. If they're not raided, the warden could last about 35-40 seconds.

Wargs can play more of a part in a big fight than that. The trouble is that many wargs don't consider anything short of a certain kill to be worth the risk.

It is no exaggeration. I was there between oc and wtab, while a whole s**tload of creeps pounded on a warden who kept full morale continiously due to his "aoe heal".

A brand or/and a p2w brand will keep the warden safe.

I myself did a few k dmg in that fight, he went down at last, don't know what happened, maybe his brand ran out, maybe power, maybe his heals failed, I don't know.

But there were 15-20 creeps pounding on him.


Anyways, the moors are fun for me, I'll just stay away from the griefers who p2w hardcore and use their op classes in obnoxious ways.

Originally Posted by Reapor

not bad, dont you count the 15-20 npc`s that were fighting us as well ??

I was there that night, and let's see some maths;

3 from stairs, 3 luitenants at west, the Quest Room still had all of its NPCs, east had one or two missing.

~Let's put this into perspective; 3 trolls from stairs were dead on the stairs. This leaves 3 luitenants from west, and the one chieftain you had. If my maths are correct, this leaves ROUGHLY*, FOUR mobs.

Now you said you had 15-20 npcs total.

This would only be possible if someone ran into quest room, out the front door, out east, west, grabbed both sides of luitenants, then all of the Tyrant room.

Exagerrating is fun, but not when there are people to correct you.

E/ with audacity, the insane amount of healing coupled with the morale and defenses of guardians / wardens, you could still wipe us if you did infact pull EVERY SINGLE MOB.

Originally Posted by stoffi

A brand or/and a p2w brand will keep the warden safe.

I myself did a few k dmg in that fight, he went down at last, don't know what happened, maybe his brand ran out, maybe power, maybe his heals failed, I don't know.

But there were 15-20 creeps pounding on him.


Anyways, the moors are fun for me, I'll just stay away from the griefers who p2w hardcore and use their op classes in obnoxious ways.

tbh no offence but u either talking some bs what didint happend or those creeps where ######## and has no ideai how to play even with brand warden who has 15 creeps on him should die in about 15 seconds its a fact when creeps know his class

Originally Posted by Gillrain

tbh no offence but u either talking some bs what didint happend or those creeps where ######## and has no ideai how to play even with brand warden who has 15 creeps on him should die in about 15 seconds its a fact when creeps know his class

A lot of us posting on this forum were present, there were both high and low ranks. Ask a warden.

Originally Posted by stoffi

A lot of us posting on this forum were present, there were both high and low ranks. Ask a warden.

Hes a Guard, hes anti warden, he doesnt want another tank class surviving as long as he can, perish the thought! but ofc, all creeps should learn to play

Originally Posted by stoffi

You would be surprised to see how strong a Warden can be... ^^ The more ppl attacking him, the merrier he is!


Anyways, I enjoy being in the moors these days and that's why I play. There are huge flaws ofc, certain op classes, freep side's dps, heals and defence being over a few tops, but as a warg I can control my environment better than most creeps and thus avoid the zerg and most of the bad stuff.

The future isn't very bright though, unless they change the commendation system and balance pvp better.

Yes, I actually know my Warden but didn't wanna fall in to a trap with trollers...

Originally Posted by Tarthalian

Hes a Guard, hes anti warden, he doesnt want another tank class surviving as long as he can, perish the thought! but ofc, all creeps should learn to play

Please stop this, this thread is stupid and even named Freeps... And I am trapped!
Just becouse he's main is a Guardian does not mean he has no Warden and can't play it.
If a warden could tank whole TA and 19 creeps why do we have so much problem tanking in a PvE raid?
If Stoffi saw a warden surviving for 2min against 15creeps, iether this creeps where realy bad or the Warden was even better than Bel and Iz, I have seen Bel fighting in Lug against a whole creep raid and the upper floor of NPC's (Don't remember if tyrant was involved... He wen't down in about 10 or maby up to whole 20 seconds... I didn't count, It was a good while to survive but not 2 minutes.

How to kill a warden:
1 - Keep your distance; If the warden don't have NPC's on him, don't let him Melee... Once a Warden Melee a Warden can heal (EoB is good but it's not that good, only if you got lot's of melee's on you. BA's Keep your distance).
2 - Silence; Keep the warden silenced, if the warden is silenced the Warden can't do EoB (Massiv aggro and morale siphon).
3 - Stun; Even though it's just for miliseconds it could be devistating for a warden to miss a gambit and mess it all up.
4 - Disarm; having the warden disarmed negatesit's chances of getting power.
5 - If Melee; keep moving, don't full frontal, move and take distance once in a while and return, Interupts are useless, disarm, fear and stun as much as possible.

Good to know:
Warden utilizes gambits wich needs to have skills used in the right order, Spear Shield and fist.
For EoB it's fi,sp,sh.fi.sh but the Warden has shortcuts that have a few seconds CD, these gives you two triggers without making a hit. But to actually activate the gambit, you have to hit (Except for some Gambits).
Warden have 3 stances Melee DMG, Ranged and Melee Tanking.
Only while the Warden is Melee Tanking he can heal himself, some skills still gives healing in other stances but it won't be enough.

Q - Why would I keep my distance?
A - Wardens heals (ecxept EoB and conviction) needs a Melee attack to activate.
Q - Why should I Disarm?
A - A Disarmed Warden can't use Spear skill or any gambits involving Shield or spear (On other words not boosting b/p/e or regaining power.
Q - Why is Silencing so good to do on a warden, he is not a tactical class or uses "spells"?
A - No, but just like a captain you notice a Warden screams alot, every time a warden screams he uses the Fist skill, and every healing Gambit have atleast one fist skill. Most healing gambits needs your voice to activate especially Stoffi's dreaded EoB.
Q - But the Warden has a full healing skill when you nearly have him, how do I handle that?
A - Well, you can't... It has saved my Warden many times, but it's no different than a captains last stand but don't ignore the Warden if he get's it all back, keep debuffing him and have silence, fears and stuns and he will go down as easy as a Hunter.

Depend's on how you look at it, an Warden is OP in the moors... But a single shield warden against a creep group is a dead warden if creeps know what they do... It will take time but he won't kill you.
One shield warden against a few without a healer could be a problem, but as soon as creeps have a single healer they can outheal a shield wardens DPS easy.

Originally Posted by Pelious

That reminds me, Peli you should become a news reporter LOL,

"Breaking news, here in live gilrain ettenmoor freeps have stormed TA "
XD

Originally Posted by The_Legacy

Please stop this, this thread is stupid and even named Freeps... And I am trapped!Just becouse he's main is a Guardian does not mean he has no Warden and can't play it.
If a warden could tank whole TA and 19 creeps why do we have so much problem tanking in a PvE raid?
If Stoffi saw a warden surviving for 2min against 15creeps, iether this creeps where realy bad or the Warden was even better than Bel and Iz, I have seen Bel fighting in Lug against a whole creep raid and the upper floor of NPC's (Don't remember if tyrant was involved... He wen't down in about 10 or maby up to whole 20 seconds... I didn't count, It was a good while to survive but not 2 minutes.

How to kill a warden:
1 - Keep your distance; If the warden don't have NPC's on him, don't let him Melee... Once a Warden Melee a Warden can heal (EoB is good but it's not that good, only if you got lot's of melee's on you. BA's Keep your distance).
2 - Silence; Keep the warden silenced, if the warden is silenced the Warden can't do EoB (Massiv aggro and morale siphon).
3 - Stun; Even though it's just for miliseconds it could be devistating for a warden to miss a gambit and mess it all up.
4 - Disarm; having the warden disarmed negatesit's chances of getting power.
5 - If Melee; keep moving, don't full frontal, move and take distance once in a while and return, Interupts are useless, disarm, fear and stun as much as possible.

Good to know:
Warden utilizes gambits wich needs to have skills used in the right order, Spear Shield and fist.
For EoB it's fi,sp,sh.fi.sh but the Warden has shortcuts that have a few seconds CD, these gives you two triggers without making a hit. But to actually activate the gambit, you have to hit (Except for some Gambits).
Warden have 3 stances Melee DMG, Ranged and Melee Tanking.
Only while the Warden is Melee Tanking he can heal himself, some skills still gives healing in other stances but it won't be enough.

Q - Why would I keep my distance?
A - Wardens heals (ecxept EoB and conviction) needs a Melee attack to activate.
Q - Why should I Disarm?
A - A Disarmed Warden can't use Spear skill or any gambits involving Shield or spear (On other words not boosting b/p/e or regaining power.
Q - Why is Silencing so good to do on a warden, he is not a tactical class or uses "spells"?
A - No, but just like a captain you notice a Warden screams alot, every time a warden screams he uses the Fist skill, and every healing Gambit have atleast one fist skill. Most healing gambits needs your voice to activate especially Stoffi's dreaded EoB.
Q - But the Warden has a full healing skill when you nearly have him, how do I handle that?
A - Well, you can't... It has saved my Warden many times, but it's no different than a captains last stand but don't ignore the Warden if he get's it all back, keep debuffing him and have silence, fears and stuns and he will go down as easy as a Hunter.

Depend's on how you look at it, an Warden is OP in the moors... But a single shield warden against a creep group is a dead warden if creeps know what they do... It will take time but he won't kill you.
One shield warden against a few without a healer could be a problem, but as soon as creeps have a single healer they can outheal a shield wardens DPS easy.

No....Freedom of speech dear boy ill post where, when and what i like within the rules of the forum

Never said he has or hasnt got one but ive seen in another thread what he thought about them so yeah ill stand by what i said thanks.

Dunno...L2P as many freeps tell creeps?

All the rest is a wall of blah blah

Originally Posted by Tarthalian

No....Freedom of speech dear boy ill post where, when and what i like within the rules of the forum

Never said he has or hasnt got one but ive seen in another thread what he thought about them so yeah ill stand by what i said thanks.

Dunno...L2P as many freeps tell creeps?

All the rest is a wall of blah blah

That's why I asked you to 'please stop', I didn't command you to.
But does it matter since I was/am still posting and feeding the trolls.

I see, then I am corrected... Though I agree with what Arai said.

Agree, you can do almost everything... You just need to know how to do it.

Edit: That's why you will never be able to master a Warden.

Originally Posted by The_Legacy

That's why I asked you to 'please stop', I didn't command you to.
But does it matter since I was/am still posting and feeding the trolls.

I see, then I am corrected... Though I agree with what Arai said.

Agree, you can do almost everything... You just need to know how to do it.

Edit: That's why you will never be able to master a Warden.

I dont want to master a warden........dunno where that came from. And if you consider me a troll then so be it, all im doing is giving my opinion as is everyone else so where does trolling start and stop with you?

Originally Posted by Eryolan

That reminds me, Peli you should become a news reporter LOL,

That would be the most biased news corporation since Fox news.

Originally Posted by The_Legacy

you can do almost everything... You just need to know how to do it.

I consider myself to be among the best creeps on this server, yet I cannot kill a warden, or even come close.

Originally Posted by Squelcher

That would be the most biased news corporation since Fox news.




I consider myself to be among the best creeps on this server, yet I cannot kill a warden, or even come close.

Yea I know, that's actually why I said almost

Some things just can't be done... No matter how good you are. And killing a Warden is one of these things.

Originally Posted by The_Legacy

Yes, I actually know my Warden but didn't wanna fall in to a trap with trollers...



Please stop this, this thread is stupid and even named Freeps... And I am trapped!
Just becouse he's main is a Guardian does not mean he has no Warden and can't play it.
If a warden could tank whole TA and 19 creeps why do we have so much problem tanking in a PvE raid?
If Stoffi saw a warden surviving for 2min against 15creeps, iether this creeps where realy bad or the Warden was even better than Bel and Iz, I have seen Bel fighting in Lug against a whole creep raid and the upper floor of NPC's (Don't remember if tyrant was involved... He wen't down in about 10 or maby up to whole 20 seconds... I didn't count, It was a good while to survive but not 2 minutes.

How to kill a warden:
1 - Keep your distance; If the warden don't have NPC's on him, don't let him Melee... Once a Warden Melee a Warden can heal (EoB is good but it's not that good, only if you got lot's of melee's on you. BA's Keep your distance).
2 - Silence; Keep the warden silenced, if the warden is silenced the Warden can't do EoB (Massiv aggro and morale siphon).
3 - Stun; Even though it's just for miliseconds it could be devistating for a warden to miss a gambit and mess it all up.
4 - Disarm; having the warden disarmed negatesit's chances of getting power.
5 - If Melee; keep moving, don't full frontal, move and take distance once in a while and return, Interupts are useless, disarm, fear and stun as much as possible.

Good to know:
Warden utilizes gambits wich needs to have skills used in the right order, Spear Shield and fist.
For EoB it's fi,sp,sh.fi.sh but the Warden has shortcuts that have a few seconds CD, these gives you two triggers without making a hit. But to actually activate the gambit, you have to hit (Except for some Gambits).
Warden have 3 stances Melee DMG, Ranged and Melee Tanking.
Only while the Warden is Melee Tanking he can heal himself, some skills still gives healing in other stances but it won't be enough.

Q - Why would I keep my distance?
A - Wardens heals (ecxept EoB and conviction) needs a Melee attack to activate.
Q - Why should I Disarm?
A - A Disarmed Warden can't use Spear skill or any gambits involving Shield or spear (On other words not boosting b/p/e or regaining power.
Q - Why is Silencing so good to do on a warden, he is not a tactical class or uses "spells"?
A - No, but just like a captain you notice a Warden screams alot, every time a warden screams he uses the Fist skill, and every healing Gambit have atleast one fist skill. Most healing gambits needs your voice to activate especially Stoffi's dreaded EoB.
Q - But the Warden has a full healing skill when you nearly have him, how do I handle that?
A - Well, you can't... It has saved my Warden many times, but it's no different than a captains last stand but don't ignore the Warden if he get's it all back, keep debuffing him and have silence, fears and stuns and he will go down as easy as a Hunter.

Depend's on how you look at it, an Warden is OP in the moors... But a single shield warden against a creep group is a dead warden if creeps know what they do... It will take time but he won't kill you.
One shield warden against a few without a healer could be a problem, but as soon as creeps have a single healer they can outheal a shield wardens DPS easy.

Interesting post, indeed! Wardens have changed a lot.


I can only speak for myself, I used both silences on him. The warden can cure one and I don't know what happened to the last one. I don't know what the rest of the creeps did but I do believe few were grouped.

It's kinda hard for a warg to keep my distance and do ranged attacks... ^^ The skill is severely op.

As for killing, indeed, the warden won't kill anything in tank mode.

Disarm, I don't have disarm in shadow stance, don't know what others did.

if there was 15-19 creeps and some with brain they should do

Step A - If Wl around Banner of terror -325 will
Step B - IF Defielr around first 1 random dissese by him or some other person then this disese with -325 will

=


Warden is f*** coz he got 1 power so he cant do #### if he remove disease he will remove first 1 not 1 with -325 will he should get nuke in 5 second then

If warg is smart as well he gonna put root so warden cannot bpe for 8-10 second and he got nuke

Saw this Rave doing on warg he was rooting izzy or other warden and peli was just nuking him from range so warden cant heal himself.

there is much more ways to kill easy warden if u are smart enough

So like Gildis said those 15 creeps propably didint had ideai how to play or they jsut havent seen this warden for some reson or they saw him but no1 bother to attack

Originally Posted by Gillrain

Step A - If Wl around Banner of terror -325 will

Banner of terror has a 10 minute cooldown and can only be used OUT of combat. Its wasted on a single freep and you will likely not see the warden before entering combat.

Originally Posted by Squelcher

Banner of terror has a 10 minute cooldown and can only be used OUT of combat. Its wasted on a single freep and you will likely not see the warden before entering combat.

nothing is wasted when u gonna kill something

and between those 15-19 creeps the wl who would want this warden death he would know he shoudynt enter combat

Originally Posted by Gillrain

nothing is wasted when u gonna kill something

and between those 15-19 creeps the wl who would want this warden death he would know he shoudynt enter combat

You're talking about ideal situations. Maybe a WL with that banner wasn't present, maybe it was on cd, maybe the wl was already in combat.

The Warden wasn't in tank mode at first, he changed to tank mode early in the fight and then healed full up.



Is it that hard to face? Wardens are op. Yes, a coordinated group could take it, but there are very few coordinated groups around.


Edit: Yes, I could have gone flayer and rooted him but I hardly thought the fight would last that long. It was 15v1 and my first meeting with a warden in tank mode after U6 came out.

Originally Posted by Gillrain

if there was 15-19 creeps and some with brain they should do

Step A - If Wl around Banner of terror -325 will
Step B - IF Defielr around first 1 random dissese by him or some other person then this disese with -325 will

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Warden is f*** coz he got 1 power so he cant do #### if he remove disease he will remove first 1 not 1 with -325 will he should get nuke in 5 second then

If warg is smart as well he gonna put root so warden cannot bpe for 8-10 second and he got nuke

Saw this Rave doing on warg he was rooting izzy or other warden and peli was just nuking him from range so warden cant heal himself.

there is much more ways to kill easy warden if u are smart enough

So like Gildis said those 15 creeps propably didint had ideai how to play or they jsut havent seen this warden for some reson or they saw him but no1 bother to attack

I must have totaly missed something here but wargs can root?

Wargs and their creep goggles. Just gotta luv'em. This is what they look like on rare occasions out of stealth:

Originally Posted by stoffi

Is it that hard to face? Wardens are op. Yes, a coordinated group could take it, but there are very few coordinated groups around.

I dunno what I have said as usuall, but I think atleast I have said Warden is OP and I agree with that... Though as with everything else in EM, freeps don't need a nerf... Creeps needs perks.

What I have said though is that 19 creeps wouldn't take 2min killing one Warden or maby even a few creeps could handle a warden.

Originally Posted by Natako

I must have totaly missed something here but wargs can root?

Yea in a way they can in flayer... They have a hold skill...

Revenge and Bonkie did a nice combo at my Warden once... One of them hold me, the other one made a pee puddle and went berserk :P Well, sadly it wasn't enough for them... I myself think we had some nice fights, I got Bonkie once and they got me twice I think.

I noticed also they can sometimes hold you out of range for melee.

Originally Posted by The_Legacy

I dunno what I have said as usuall, but I think atleast I have said Warden is OP and I agree with that... Though as with everything else in EM, freeps don't need a nerf... Creeps needs perks.

What I have said though is that 19 creeps wouldn't take 2min killing one Warden or maby even a few creeps could handle a warden.


Yea in a way they can in flayer... They have a hold skill...

Revenge and Bonkie did a nice combo at my Warden once... One of them hold me, the other one made a pee puddle and went berserk :P Well, sadly it wasn't enough for them... I myself think we had some nice fights, I got Bonkie once and they got me twice I think.

I noticed also they can sometimes hold you out of range for melee.

Yeah found it lol i haven't got room for the racial trait thats why i didn't see it before... need more racial trait slots