Thread: Price for Pots bought with Comms doubling in update 7 for creeps only

Title says it all.
See this post http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...-bartered-pots

Good lord...Turbine has turned into one of the most inconsiderate Public relation companies i've ever dealt with...

Words don't even cover how stupid this change is >_>

Call me crazy, but look back to the screenshot posted by a _freep_ in the original post.. I'll admit to needing glasses, but that certainly looks like a stack of 5 pots for 125 comms to me... the stack size being cut in half is certainly true, but where do you figure it's creeps only?

Originally Posted by pelmysilverwolf

Call me crazy, but look back to the screenshot posted by a _freep_ in the original post.. I'll admit to needing glasses, but that certainly looks like a stack of 5 pots for 125 comms to me... the stack size being cut in half is certainly true, but where do you figure it's creeps only?

Crazy .

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...92#post6162692

Its possible that Turbine at this stage are deliberately trying to discourage PVMP so that they can focus on their uber easy NPC linear gear zomg raid battles.

Hooray, its only a bug.

We all know that bugs are fixed fast for creeps.

GW2..

I'm pretty sure they're trying to tell us they want us gone...

Originally Posted by Arvaen

I'm pretty sure they're trying to tell us they want us gone...

Fine by me, im off to THAT GAME (2)

Quite obviously an attempt to increase Store sales. That's why it's getting fixed in 7.1, even though 7 hasn't been released yet.
They're trying to get money from people who will not wait 2 months to use the pots, and are saving up commendations for their skills/audacity.

Or make their commendation pools smaller, to increase demand for store-bought skills. I can come up with so many reasons why they did it.

Originally Posted by Haunt123

Quite obviously an attempt to increase Store sales. That's why it's getting fixed in 7.1, even though 7 hasn't been released yet.
They're trying to get money from people who will not wait 2 months to use the pots, and are saving up commendations for their skills/audacity.

Or make their commendation pools smaller, to increase demand for store-bought skills. I can come up with so many reasons why they did it.

And if they actually bother to fix it in 7.1, they'll "accidentally" do something else to push people into buying TP.

With Turbine these days, there is only one rule to figure out what their plan is: Follow the $$$.

Anyone got bets what will be messed up next ("accidentally" of course):

mitigations lowered?
dps lowered?
brands double commendation cost?
skills/traits higher commendation cost?

Other guesses? ;P

Originally Posted by Dawnsinger

skills/traits higher commendation cost?

"We admit that the commendation system could have been thought out a bit more but there's just so many awesome changes in the pipeline that minor issues sometimes slip by us. Worry no longer though as, by popular request, commendation costs of skills and traits now scale with level, starting at 2k commendations for a r1 skill up to 10k at rank10. This will make gaining those awesome high rank skills really feel like an achievement, enhancing the playing experience for all creeps! Also note that we are not touching TP costs of these skills in Lotrostore."

Originally Posted by TizianEnel

"We admit that the commendation system could have been thought out a bit more but there's just so many awesome changes in the pipeline that minor issues sometimes slip by us. Worry no longer though as, by popular request, commendation costs of skills and traits now scale with level, starting at 2k commendations for a r1 skill up to 10k at rank10. This will make gaining those awesome high rank skills really feel like an achievement, enhancing the playing experience for all creeps! Also note that we are not touching TP costs of these skills in Lotrostore."

Gah! Don't give them ideas!
But then again, don't pvmp anymore, don't care

All the screenshots I've seen indicate this is BOTH freep and creep.

These threads are trying to incite reactions based on false information.

Originally Posted by Thane9

All the screenshots I've seen indicate this is BOTH freep and creep.

These threads are trying to incite reactions based on false information.

Sigh .



This was the reality on last BR build .

False information ?

Originally Posted by Louvre

False information ?

Yes, just check the Title of the post:

Price for Pots bought with Comms doubling in update 7 for creeps only

Originally Posted by Louvre

Sigh .
<snip>
This was the reality on last BR build .

False information ?

Yes. Both sides got the cost doubled, not only creeps. Not by increasing the commendation cost listed, but by reducing (halving) the amount of potions. As you can see in that screenshot, the 125 commendations gets you 5 potions instead of 10.. Price per potion doubled.

Stupid change even if it affects both sides (so you can argue it's balanced somehow), and confirmed as a bug that won't get fixed before 7.1 despite having been spotted in time. How much time does it take to change the number of items being sold and how did it get changed in the first place?

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My theory: devs thought that maybe people would spend more commendations on potions (and consequently more TP on lotrostore for other stuff) if they were sold in smaller bundles but at same cost per potion. Then decided against it because halving the commendation cost wouldn't leave a clean number (62.5 comms) and doubling the cost per potion would be too harsh. Unfortunately, when they wanted to revert the change they only did it partially. Maybe it was a different dev who forgot to check all the things that had been touched. I wouldn't be surprised at all, considering the state of the release notes we get (which are a mess. And they must have been cleaned up from their internal ones).

I knew the change affected both creeps & freeps , hence why I posted the screenshot .

I honestly don't know why I wrote that so don't mind me lol .

Must be the heat ...

Originally Posted by Thane9

All the screenshots I've seen indicate this is BOTH freep and creep.

These threads are trying to incite reactions based on false information.

Creeps always have to be the victims, didnt you know?

Just like a bunch of people running around saying it takes 42k comms for creeps to get full audacity.

Originally Posted by Daec

Creeps always have to be the victims, didnt you know?

Just like a bunch of people running around saying it takes 42k comms for creeps to get full audacity.

Uhm,now correct me if im wrong but,creeps do need more comms in general *not for audacity*
But skills cost a fairly high amount of comms aswell,when did a freep have to buy a skill with commendations to use it in the Moors?

Pots cost the same on both Sides,but Freeps can just craft stacks of Potions for almost free since every mob drops a stack of materials,they dont need to buy Moors Potions for Morale/Power...


While i agree that the Thread title is somewhat missinforming,it still leaves the Point that it is a bigger impact on creepside then it will be freepside.

Originally Posted by Daec

Creeps always have to be the victims, didnt you know?

Just like a bunch of people running around saying it takes 42k comms for creeps to get full audacity.

They always are the victims as a matter of fact. How many skills do you have that haven't been scaled since SoA, how about class traits? Do you have any skills that have been bugged for a long time and remain unfixed?

And it costs something in the region of 40k comms for a creep to acquire full audacity.

Originally Posted by Squelcher

They always are the victims as a matter of fact. How many skills do you have that haven't been scaled since SoA, how about class traits? Do you have any skills that have been bugged for a long time and remain unfixed?

And it costs something in the region of 40k comms for a creep to acquire full audacity.

If by somewhere in the region of 40k comms you mean 36k, then yes.

Sure creeps have it hard, but there is a line between something being wrong and people making up something being wrong.

Originally Posted by Thane9

All the screenshots I've seen indicate this is BOTH freep and creep.

These threads are trying to incite reactions based on false information.

Sure it affects both Creeps and Freeps, just disproportionately. Freeps have equal, craftable substitutes while creeps have the equivalent of artisan level morale and power pots from vendors. Also many creeps use Evade, Armor, and Resistance pots. Freeps do not have these available to them. If your a freep who uses your comms on pots then yes you have every right to be upset as well.

Originally Posted by Daec

If by somewhere in the region of 40k comms you mean 36k, then yes.

Sure creeps have it hard, but there is a line between something being wrong and people making up something being wrong.

You are correct in 36k, but really it could be 60k and the same problem would remain. I think you understand the Catch-22 of ranking a new creep so I'll spare the details .

Originally Posted by apb8808

Also many creeps use Evade, Armor, and Resistance pots. Freeps do not have these available to them.

Using Evade DoF(R.I.P) pot, my evade increases to 17.9%, not even close to that of an equivalent medium-armoured class of freep side(burgs/hunter must have above 20%) and armour boost pot hardly makes any difference (~36%/29% physical/tactical damage mitigated with pot, ~2% less without under the effects of one) . And there I thought that freeps were in a disadvantage. Woops!

Originally Posted by TheBor

Using Evade DoF(R.I.P) pot, my evade increases to 17.9%, not even close to that of an equivalent medium-armoured class of freep side(burgs/hunter must have above 20%) and armour boost pot hardly makes any difference (~36%/29% physical/tactical damage mitigated with pot, ~2% less without under the effects of one) . And there I thought that freeps were in a disadvantage. Woops!

You've got to remember also that other than wardens, medium armor freeps cannot block. Unfortunately for anyone comparing freeps and creeps, all things are not equal, nor even close in most respects.


As for the price of pots increasing: well done Turbine....

Originally Posted by Arvaen

I'm pretty sure they're trying to tell us they want us gone...

Originally Posted by gunlang

Fine by me, im off to THAT GAME (2)

With ya 100%

*also seems a few posts with nice pictures to that game have mysteriously vanished ROFL

Originally Posted by apb8808

Sure it affects both Creeps and Freeps, just disproportionately. Freeps have equal, craftable substitutes while creeps have the equivalent of artisan level morale and power pots from vendors. Also many creeps use Evade, Armor, and Resistance pots. Freeps do not have these available to them. If your a freep who uses your comms on pots then yes you have every right to be upset as well.
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Let's talk about this idea of being affected disportionately. I like this...

Creeps pot costs across the board doubled in the PvMP currency.
Freeps pot costs are a mix of doubled in the PvMP currency and stayed flat in the PvE currency.

Sounds like it's disportionate in favour of freeps right?

WRONG.

Just how much PvMp does it take to get those PvE pots? INFINITE. Killing a creep yields ZERO currency that can aid in recieving those pots.

So 2X the cost....or.....1/2 * 2X the cost + 1/2 * INFINITY.

Which is worse?

yeah, if you don't get that then play as a freep and try to keep yourself up to date with pots, with gear, heck with max level and LIs.

It's a drag.

So I don't see having all the pots you could want being offered by the PvMP currency as a negative. It's a HUGE advantage. It keeps you out in the field fighting freeps FAR MORE than freeps could ever do. We spend months of gametime just staying current. Let alone keeping stocked in consumables.

Don't get me wrong...there ARE balance issues in the moors that favour the freeps. But consumable purchasing is not one that favours the freeps, not even close.

Originally Posted by Thane9

yeah, if you don't get that then play as a freep and try to keep yourself up to date with pots, with gear, heck with max level and LIs.

It's a drag.

So I don't see having all the pots you could want being offered by the PvMP currency as a negative. It's a HUGE advantage. It keeps you out in the field fighting freeps FAR MORE than freeps could ever do. We spend months of gametime just staying current. Let alone keeping stocked in consumables.

Go to the AH buy 100 Potions,takes you Months.. right ?

Yes getting Gear takes time,but atleast u can get gear and LIs.. What exactly can a creep do to get stronger ? Oh yeah ranking up,now how long does it take to get the current best gear ingame,and how long does it take to get r15 on a creep to get the strongest stuff possible ?

I lol`d..

Edit : Yes creeps can pvp to get all they need,however it takes years to get a maxed out char,where as on freepside it takes a few Months/weeks depending on what is beeing added,after each update to get maxed out...

Originally Posted by Thane9

Let's talk about this idea of being affected disportionately. I like this...

Creeps pot costs across the board doubled in the PvMP currency.
Freeps pot costs are a mix of doubled in the PvMP currency and stayed flat in the PvE currency.

Sounds like it's disportionate in favour of freeps right?

WRONG.

Just how much PvMp does it take to get those PvE pots? INFINITE. Killing a creep yields ZERO currency that can aid in recieving those pots.

So 2X the cost....or.....1/2 * 2X the cost + 1/2 * INFINITY.

Which is worse?

yeah, if you don't get that then play as a freep and try to keep yourself up to date with pots, with gear, heck with max level and LIs.

It's a drag.

So I don't see having all the pots you could want being offered by the PvMP currency as a negative. It's a HUGE advantage. It keeps you out in the field fighting freeps FAR MORE than freeps could ever do. We spend months of gametime just staying current. Let alone keeping stocked in consumables.

Don't get me wrong...there ARE balance issues in the moors that favour the freeps. But consumable purchasing is not one that favours the freeps, not even close.

I'm talking about pots here though, not "months of gametime to stay current". I was handing out stacks of scholar mats that can be used to make pots, I guess Westfold pots and the materials required to make them have the scarcity of plutonium on Brandywine. Your post is all over the place, I don't care about your PvE gear/LI grind that has nothing to do with the facts about pots. This is about the economics.

Freep PvMP barter pots: Morale, Power, Root, Stun, Fear, 10 sec immunity(?)
Creep PvMP barter pots: Morale, Power, Root, Stun, Fear, Evade, Armor, Resistance, 10 sec immunity.

All costs being equal, Creep need more Comms to be fully stocked.
* Note if freeps barter for other pots or I included too many please let me know.

Now let's assume both a Creep and a Freep has zero commendations nor can obtain any, in that case:

Freep morale and Power equivalents : Supreme, Westfold, Master tier pots > Creep obtainable morale & power pots (also RANK gated)

Illustrated story:

For proper illustration, let's assume conditions are optimal and the freep and creep can do all quests on the map the process takes 3 hours. The creep is a Reaver R8, the freep a Champ R8, have acquired all their skills and audacity. For arguments sake this give each of player 2,000 total comms from quests to spend as they wish.

2,000/ 125 = 16 Barter choices. Both get 80 pots in total.

John Q. Reaver barters : Evade,Armor, Resistance, and a 5 stack of Fear pots for good measure.
Gill Bates, Champion barters: Fear pots, 10 second immunity pots.

Both opt to spend the other forgotten currency, GOLD, on Root and Stun pots. We will assume both players have zero currency. To obtain this money, John Q takes a friendly stroll to Hoarhollow, shing shing's,and sells hobbit feet roughly acquiring 2g from the sales and time spent, roughly 2 hours. Gill Bates, being a competent Champion hits up Stoneheight and Northcotton. He profits 15 gold from the adventure and takes the relics to his off shore tax haven in Galtrev.

He enters the Auction House, puts the 25 stack of T4 relics up for 15g buyout on the White Market, which will quickly sell. Same amount of time mind you, as John Q. Reaver. The Champ remembers he doesn't have any Morale or Power pots, realizes that his kin doesn't raid for 2 more days and thus won't be receiving pots from his usual source. He opts to buy Rohirric Morale & Power pots, a 50 stack of each for 6g buyout a piece. he will spend the remaining 3g from PvE and the 15g from relics on stun/root pots.

John Q. Reaver has only 2g. He needed the buff pots to be competitive, but needs morale and power.He has no choice so he spends 700s on morale pots that heal 700-800 morale. Spends another 700s on Power that restore roughly the same amount. He has 600s for stun/root pots. Times are tough for the 99%.

So in conclusion, Reaver has less pots overall, less money left over to obtain more without investing PVE'ing in a PvP zone time and the pots are lower magnitude than the Champ. ./end illustration

Long story short, the reason I argue it affects disproportionally, is because freeps have EQUIVALENT SUBSTITUTES, obtainable in a variety of ways!

"Man, we talkin' bout consumables. Not the game, not the game. We talkin' bout consumables. Its funny to me too."

Originally Posted by apb8808

I'm talking about pots here though, not "months of gametime to stay current". I was handing out stacks of scholar mats that can be used to make pots, I guess Westfold pots and the materials required to make them have the scarcity of plutonium on Brandywine. Your post is all over the place, I don't care about your PvE gear/LI grind that has nothing to do with the facts about pots. This is about the economics.

Freep PvMP barter pots: Morale, Power, Root, Stun, Fear, 10 sec immunity(?)
Creep PvMP barter pots: Morale, Power, Root, Stun, Fear, Evade, Armor, Resistance, 10 sec immunity.

All costs being equal, Creep need more Comms to be fully stocked.
* Note if freeps barter for other pots or I included too many please let me know.

Now let's assume both a Creep and a Freep has zero commendations nor can obtain any, in that case:

Freep morale and Power equivalents : Supreme, Westfold, Master tier pots > Creep obtainable morale & power pots (also RANK gated)

Illustrated story:

For proper illustration, let's assume conditions are optimal and the freep and creep can do all quests on the map the process takes 3 hours. The creep is a Reaver R8, the freep a Champ R8, have acquired all their skills and audacity. For arguments sake this give each of player 2,000 total comms from quests to spend as they wish.

2,000/ 125 = 16 Barter choices. Both get 80 pots in total.

John Q. Reaver barters : Evade,Armor, Resistance, and a 5 stack of Fear pots for good measure.
Gill Bates, Champion barters: Fear pots, 10 second immunity pots.

Both opt to spend the other forgotten currency, GOLD, on Root and Stun pots. We will assume both players have zero currency. To obtain this money, John Q takes a friendly stroll to Hoarhollow, shing shing's,and sells hobbit feet roughly acquiring 2g from the sales and time spent, roughly 2 hours. Gill Bates, being a competent Champion hits up Stoneheight and Northcotton. He profits 15 gold from the adventure and takes the relics to his off shore tax haven in Galtrev.

He enters the Auction House, puts the 25 stack of T4 relics up for 15g buyout on the White Market, which will quickly sell. Same amount of time mind you, as John Q. Reaver. The Champ remembers he doesn't have any Morale or Power pots, realizes that his kin doesn't raid for 2 more days and thus won't be receiving pots from his usual source. He opts to buy Rohirric Morale & Power pots, a 50 stack of each for 6g buyout a piece. he will spend the remaining 3g from PvE and the 15g from relics on stun/root pots.

John Q. Reaver has only 2g. He needed the buff pots to be competitive, but needs morale and power.He has no choice so he spends 700s on morale pots that heal 700-800 morale. Spends another 700s on Power that restore roughly the same amount. He has 600s for stun/root pots. Times are tough for the 99%.

So in conclusion, Reaver has less pots overall, less money left over to obtain more without investing PVE'ing in a PvP zone time and the pots are lower magnitude than the Champ. ./end illustration

Long story short, the reason I argue it affects disproportionally, is because freeps have EQUIVALENT SUBSTITUTES, obtainable in a variety of ways!

"Man, we talkin' bout consumables. Not the game, not the game. We talkin' bout consumables. Its funny to me too."

That was the greatest 5 minutes of my life

Originally Posted by apb8808

I'm talking about pots here though, not "months of gametime to stay current". I was handing out stacks of scholar mats that can be used to make pots, I guess Westfold pots and the materials required to make them have the scarcity of plutonium on Brandywine. Your post is all over the place, I don't care about your PvE gear/LI grind that has nothing to do with the facts about pots. This is about the economics.

Freep PvMP barter pots: Morale, Power, Root, Stun, Fear, 10 sec immunity(?)
Creep PvMP barter pots: Morale, Power, Root, Stun, Fear, Evade, Armor, Resistance, 10 sec immunity.

All costs being equal, Creep need more Comms to be fully stocked.
* Note if freeps barter for other pots or I included too many please let me know.

Now let's assume both a Creep and a Freep has zero commendations nor can obtain any, in that case:

Freep morale and Power equivalents : Supreme, Westfold, Master tier pots > Creep obtainable morale & power pots (also RANK gated)

Illustrated story:

For proper illustration, let's assume conditions are optimal and the freep and creep can do all quests on the map the process takes 3 hours. The creep is a Reaver R8, the freep a Champ R8, have acquired all their skills and audacity. For arguments sake this give each of player 2,000 total comms from quests to spend as they wish.

2,000/ 125 = 16 Barter choices. Both get 80 pots in total.

John Q. Reaver barters : Evade,Armor, Resistance, and a 5 stack of Fear pots for good measure.
Gill Bates, Champion barters: Fear pots, 10 second immunity pots.

Both opt to spend the other forgotten currency, GOLD, on Root and Stun pots. We will assume both players have zero currency. To obtain this money, John Q takes a friendly stroll to Hoarhollow, shing shing's,and sells hobbit feet roughly acquiring 2g from the sales and time spent, roughly 2 hours. Gill Bates, being a competent Champion hits up Stoneheight and Northcotton. He profits 15 gold from the adventure and takes the relics to his off shore tax haven in Galtrev.

He enters the Auction House, puts the 25 stack of T4 relics up for 15g buyout on the White Market, which will quickly sell. Same amount of time mind you, as John Q. Reaver. The Champ remembers he doesn't have any Morale or Power pots, realizes that his kin doesn't raid for 2 more days and thus won't be receiving pots from his usual source. He opts to buy Rohirric Morale & Power pots, a 50 stack of each for 6g buyout a piece. he will spend the remaining 3g from PvE and the 15g from relics on stun/root pots.

John Q. Reaver has only 2g. He needed the buff pots to be competitive, but needs morale and power.He has no choice so he spends 700s on morale pots that heal 700-800 morale. Spends another 700s on Power that restore roughly the same amount. He has 600s for stun/root pots. Times are tough for the 99%.

So in conclusion, Reaver has less pots overall, less money left over to obtain more without investing PVE'ing in a PvP zone time and the pots are lower magnitude than the Champ. ./end illustration

Long story short, the reason I argue it affects disproportionally, is because freeps have EQUIVALENT SUBSTITUTES, obtainable in a variety of ways!

"Man, we talkin' bout consumables. Not the game, not the game. We talkin' bout consumables. Its funny to me too."

Thats cool and all, but

1) freeps don't have 10s immunity pots.

2) To get his resist rating up, he will have to buy food, which costs more money

3) to get his mits up (reaver got some armor pots) he will have to buy the crafted scrolls, which last time i checked are not cheap and disappear upon death, also have somewhat long CD, unless its been changed, so there can easily be a decent period of time where he will not have this.

4) he's SOL in the bpe department


Since you're so keen on freeps pveing for their pots, the delving is still open if any creep wishes to pve for their pots and additional coin.

Also, some freep classes need additional pots to function in the moors (fear wound disease poison etc) Even more money spent!

Freep pot stacks were halved too, not really sure where the OP found his information or if he just didn't look at all.
1/10

Originally Posted by Daec

Thats cool and all, but

1) freeps don't have 10s immunity pots.

2) To get his resist rating up, he will have to buy food, which costs more money

3) to get his mits up (reaver got some armor pots) he will have to buy the crafted scrolls, which last time i checked are not cheap and disappear upon death, also have somewhat long CD, unless its been changed, so there can easily be a decent period of time where he will not have this.

4) he's SOL in the bpe department


Since you're so keen on freeps pveing for their pots, the delving is still open if any creep wishes to pve for their pots and additional coin.

Also, some freep classes need additional pots to function in the moors (fear wound disease poison etc) Even more money spent!

You are smarter than this. Your points, completely ignore my point. This is about the ECONOMY. Not class balance. But since I'm in a good mood I'm more than happy to discuss...


1.) I said in my initial response that I was unsure of the 10 second pots on freeps, it has been so long since I've had to spend comms for the best pots, last time I did so on my freep I was too lazy to go get some stacks out of my vault and was trading delving stones. (Vault in GV Turbine!) So substitute 10 sec pots for another pot of your choosing, the point remains the same.

2.) Food ah so expensive. Ya know how creeps get food? COMMS. 125 for 5. Its a good thing that if a freep REALLY wanted to boost his resistance with food so he might have a chance against those vicious low ranks, he can also barter for food, and ONLY from there. Oh wait, he can buy and/or make resistance food? Ya don't say. "Well creeps can buy ###### food" RANK GATED. Doh'. Never once have I ever NEEDED resistance food on my Cappy, Champ, RK or Guard in the moors. I guess I must be special. "I can't go out there, man don't have my resistance food. No way, No how." Does resistance make a HUGE difference when fighting Mini's, RK's, and LM's? Yes. Better get your resistance for all the abundance of tactical creep damage.

3.) To get mits up you can tweak a number of things on your build, scrolls? A consumable that is also cheap and has nothing to do with COMMS,the only thing in common is that its a consumable. Armor pots adds ~ 5% mitigation depending on build, I go from 40% to 45%, pretty OP considering Freep DPS is so low. My tactical mitigation on my heavies are already higher than 45% without scrolls... better scroll up to even out the playing field. Moving on.

4.) BPE has to do with the Economy? I'll get on my champ, give me 5% more damage, keep your BPE, hell drop me to medium armor if you'd like and take one of my bubbles. I'll continue to stack morale, crit, tact mitigation and enjoy facerolling. My Reaver is SOL on the bubble department, it has to do with the cost of things so I'll bring it up.

When I can solo in the delving, acquire 10 to 15g in a short amount of time from quests and earn items I can sell to other creeps then I will head into the delving and PvE to my little hearts content. And mainly, when I can BUY BARTER EQUIVALENTS!

Now I'm glad you brought up those pots. First off, function and need are very different things. I use the red pots on my reaver to remove my disarm and function. But I don't need them. Also, Freeps have abilities that remove these wounds/diseases wtc. But that is not why I did not include them. You can acquire these pots at GV. Or cheaper @ Galtrev. Or any healer thats on level... and YOU CAN MAKE THEM. Odd. None were on the AH, could it be that they are so cheap and readily available that no one can offer a better deal than Turbine? Blasphemy.

POINT : Economy people. Freeps have one, Creeps don't. Each gold on creep side is more valuable because the ONLY way to acquire gold is killing mobs, and money is scarce. But what is even more scarce is commendations for new creeps. And they are far more necessary for new creeps than freeps at any stage. A creep has to make researched decisions on where to spend them as he ranks up. You could sacrifice a few hundred for 10 pots per stack, their price has gone up, and now you are better off saving comms and being weaker for it in the short term. Or you can be a freep and be able to save your comms toward becoming more powerful while still having the functionality of barter pots via easily obtained equivalents. Now I know the price change is not WAI and affects both sides, but if you cannot see why it more adversely affects Creeps then must also be a member of the Flat Earth Society.

Originally Posted by apb8808

You are smarter than this. Your points, completely ignore my point. This is about the ECONOMY. Not class balance. But since I'm in a good mood I'm more than happy to discuss...


1.) I said in my initial response that I was unsure of the 10 second pots on freeps, it has been so long since I've had to spend comms for the best pots, last time I did so on my freep I was too lazy to go get some stacks out of my vault and was trading delving stones. (Vault in GV Turbine!) So substitute 10 sec pots for another pot of your choosing, the point remains the same.

2.) Food ah so expensive. Ya know how creeps get food? COMMS. 125 for 5. Its a good thing that if a freep REALLY wanted to boost his resistance with food so he might have a chance against those vicious low ranks, he can also barter for food, and ONLY from there. Oh wait, he can buy and/or make resistance food? Ya don't say. "Well creeps can buy ###### food" RANK GATED. Doh'. Never once have I ever NEEDED resistance food on my Cappy, Champ, RK or Guard in the moors. I guess I must be special. "I can't go out there, man don't have my resistance food. No way, No how." Does resistance make a HUGE difference when fighting Mini's, RK's, and LM's? Yes. Better get your resistance for all the abundance of tactical creep damage.

3.) To get mits up you can tweak a number of things on your build, scrolls? A consumable that is also cheap and has nothing to do with COMMS,the only thing in common is that its a consumable. Armor pots adds ~ 5% mitigation depending on build, I go from 40% to 45%, pretty OP considering Freep DPS is so low. My tactical mitigation on my heavies are already higher than 45% without scrolls... better scroll up to even out the playing field. Moving on.

4.) BPE has to do with the Economy? I'll get on my champ, give me 5% more damage, keep your BPE, hell drop me to medium armor if you'd like and take one of my bubbles. I'll continue to stack morale, crit, tact mitigation and enjoy facerolling. My Reaver is SOL on the bubble department, it has to do with the cost of things so I'll bring it up.

When I can solo in the delving, acquire 10 to 15g in a short amount of time from quests and earn items I can sell to other creeps then I will head into the delving and PvE to my little hearts content. And mainly, when I can BUY BARTER EQUIVALENTS!

Now I'm glad you brought up those pots. First off, function and need are very different things. I use the red pots on my reaver to remove my disarm and function. But I don't need them. Also, Freeps have abilities that remove these wounds/diseases wtc. But that is not why I did not include them. You can acquire these pots at GV. Or cheaper @ Galtrev. Or any healer thats on level... and YOU CAN MAKE THEM. Odd. None were on the AH, could it be that they are so cheap and readily available that no one can offer a better deal than Turbine? Blasphemy.

POINT : Economy people. Freeps have one, Creeps don't. Each gold on creep side is more valuable because the ONLY way to acquire gold is killing mobs, and money is scarce. But what is even more scarce is commendations for new creeps. And they are far more necessary for new creeps than freeps at any stage. A creep has to make researched decisions on where to spend them as he ranks up. You could sacrifice a few hundred for 10 pots per stack, their price has gone up, and now you are better off saving comms and being weaker for it in the short term. Or you can be a freep and be able to save your comms toward becoming more powerful while still having the functionality of barter pots via easily obtained equivalents. Now I know the price change is not WAI and affects both sides, but if you cannot see why it more adversely affects Creeps then must also be a member of the Flat Earth Society.

You completely missed the point i was making. You gave a scenario in which a creep and freep bought what they could with their comms and said it was unfair because the creep had to buy more. Had to spend more comms, more coin, more time or do without. What you neglected to address was the fact said creep was getting several benefits the freep missed out on (in your scenario).

I am not going to argue "blah blah class doesn't need resists!!!!!!!! and more mits!!!!!!"

Originally Posted by Daec

What you neglected to address was the fact said creep was getting several benefits the freep missed out on (in your scenario).

Then I guess I wasn't as detailed in my example I should have specified that neither thought much of food and that the only reason the reaver got buff pots was to try and bring certain stats closer to the freep. This is neither here nor there and far from the main point which I highlighted at the end. The scenario was simply a means to an end to discuss the economic implications.

Remove all pots from the moors

Make non-consumable insignia with same effect on same cooldown for every pot

Fin.

I'm seriouslly confused. What's this thread about?

Originally Posted by Lendas

Remove all pots from the moors

Make non-consumable insignia with same effect on same cooldown for every pot

Fin.

/signed. As long as they don't cost a million comms.