Thread: Question about mithril edition mines of moria

So i bought Mithril edition today, it says i unlocked quest packs for moria. im confused, do i still need to buy mines of moria expac? If so then why did i need to unlock the quest line for that pack? i want mines of moria for the playable classes, but if i already got the zones and stuff i can just buy the classes, so whats the deal? thanks.

The Mithril edition comes with the Mines of Moria Quest Pack only, not the full expansion. This means you don't have the 2 extra character slots and Warden/Runekeeper classes that the actual expansion gives. If you want those you can buy them separately with TP without having to buy the entire expansion.

Originally Posted by KualaBangoDango

The Mithril edition comes with the Mines of Moria Quest Pack only, not the full expansion. This means you don't have the 2 extra character slots and Warden/Runekeeper classes that the actual expansion gives. If you want those you can buy them separately with TP without having to buy the entire expansion.

Ahhh, thank you. So the actual zone is unlocked though? Someone told me all the places of middle earth are accessable to free players from the start, i simply need the quest packs and skirmishes. Is this true? If so i have no need to buy MoM, i can simply do as you suggested and unlock the classes if i choose to do so.

Originally Posted by Wyndhaven

Ahhh, thank you. So the actual zone is unlocked though? Someone told me all the places of middle earth are accessable to free players from the start, i simply need the quest packs and skirmishes. Is this true? If so i have no need to buy MoM, i can simply do as you suggested and unlock the classes if i choose to do so.

All zones are open to all players, even free players. What that means though is that they can go in the zones, fight things and gather loot and crafting resources BUT free players cannot do actual quests in that zone (except the main Epic quests of course) or work on any deeds in that zone unless they own the quest pack. So, since you now own the Moria quest pack you can do ALL quests and such for Moria...all actual content there is unlocked for you. No need to buy MoM.

The only reason I'd ever suggest the MoM expansion to someone who already owns the quest pack is if you can find an actual retail box version (Turbine box, NOT Codemasters) for cheap enough since not only would it give you those extras (characters slots/classes) but the retail version also gives you a free month VIP.

I have the Mithril edition, as well. Been holding on until my toons are high enough lvl to use the Moria quests. Mine also shows the Shadows of Angmar along the spine. Is that expansion/quest pack included, too?

My other question is this: I've already spent some cash on TP so I'm now Premium. This retail code will take me to VIP for 30 days. What happens if/when I revert to Premium? I don't lose anything (quests/extra toon slots) that came w/this new access, right?

Originally Posted by NinjaBoom

I have the Mithril edition, as well. Been holding on until my toons are high enough lvl to use the Moria quests. Mine also shows the Shadows of Angmar along the spine. Is that expansion/quest pack included, too?

My other question is this: I've already spent some cash on TP so I'm now Premium. This retail code will take me to VIP for 30 days. What happens if/when I revert to Premium? I don't lose anything (quests/extra toon slots) that came w/this new access, right?

The Mithril edition does NOT come with 30 days of VIP time. There is no point in holding out in applying it, unless you want to wait until your 30 days of support time from buying the TPs is up.

Originally Posted by Shukar

The Mithril edition does NOT come with 30 days of VIP time. There is no point in holding out in applying it, unless you want to wait until your 30 days of support time from buying the TPs is up.

Actually there is a reason to hold out applying the code. It's been rumored that when the code is applied, the account goes VIP for approximately 1 day. So if a player were planning things out, they would have various alts leveled to 20 to take advantage of the free Riding Skill quest. They also would probably want to be sure to log into all alts across all server that they play on to get the other goodies that perma unlock from such a situation ($cap, 5bags, traits, etc.).

I can not confirm if the ME does in fact give 1 day VIP as I have no ME codes applied to any of my accounts but I have seen a number of posts suggesting such.

EDIT: Thanks Flatfoot789 for the confirmation (posted below this). I guess we can put this rumor to bed now.

Originally Posted by Sandybux

It's been rumored that when the code is applied, the account goes VIP for approximately 1 day.

This rumor got started on the german fora and is untrue. I myself bought it and can confirm this.
I actually participated in that thread because we were desperate for any usefull info as Turbines information policy back then was abysmal. Probably becasue it was "only" the EU launch of that pack.

So don´t hold out on applying the code, it´s useless and you might actually miss a good sale because you didn´t have the 2000TP on your account. Oh and don´t forget the free horsie you miss out on too.

Originally Posted by NinjaBoom

I have the Mithril edition, as well. Been holding on until my toons are high enough lvl to use the Moria quests. Mine also shows the Shadows of Angmar along the spine. Is that expansion/quest pack included, too?

My other question is this: I've already spent some cash on TP so I'm now Premium. This retail code will take me to VIP for 30 days. What happens if/when I revert to Premium? I don't lose anything (quests/extra toon slots) that came w/this new access, right?

Please clarify. Are you talking about the Mithril Edition box or are you talking about the Mines of Moria box?

The reason I ask is because the Mithril Edition has nothing to do with the Shadows of Angmar, which was the original launch game, while the Mines of Moria box mentions SoA because it included SoA with it. If you ARE talking about the Mithril Edition then I don't know why it mentions SoA but SoA is NOT an expansion or quest pack but rather a combination of a bunch of level 1-50 quest packs. The only SoA quest packs you get with the Mithril Edition are the Trollshaws, Eregion, Moria (NOT expansion), and Lothlorien. It also does NOT include 30 days VIP.

Now, if the box you have is in fact the Mines of Moria expansion box then yes, you'll get 30 days VIP and when the 30 days are up you'll lose access to the quests in any of the non-freebie zones that you haven't bought. You will however keep access to the Moria content as well as the 2 new classes and 2 character slots.

Check out the link in my signature for a better picture of what quest packs comes with which purchases.

Originally Posted by KualaBangoDango

Please clarify. Are you talking about the Mithril Edition box or are you talking about the Mines of Moria box?

The reason I ask is because the Mithril Edition has nothing to do with the Shadows of Angmar, which was the original launch game, while the Mines of Moria box mentions SoA because it included SoA with it. If you ARE talking about the Mithril Edition then I don't know why it mentions SoA but SoA is NOT an expansion or quest pack but rather a combination of a bunch of level 1-50 quest packs. The only SoA quest packs you get with the Mithril Edition are the Trollshaws, Eregion, Moria (NOT expansion), and Lothlorien. It also does NOT include 30 days VIP.

Now, if the box you have is in fact the Mines of Moria expansion box then yes, you'll get 30 days VIP and when the 30 days are up you'll lose access to the quests in any of the non-freebie zones that you haven't bought. You will however keep access to the Moria content as well as the 2 new classes and 2 character slots.

Thank you for the response (and link to the chart - very helpful).

The box I have says: "Complete Edition - Includes: SoA and MoM" PC DVD
It has velcro-ish doors on both sides of the cover box - one with the Balrog and the other with Gandalf.
On the Balrog side, there is also a 'Treasures of Moria' instant win sweepstakes ad.

Does this help in letting me know which version I own?

From yours and some of the other posts, it appears that I may have wasted some time (and TPs) early on by not
applying the code sooner. I had heard that some or all of the content may disappear when the VIP time was up.
If I have the other version, I guess that means I can go ahead and use the code and have the quests/tasks/etc.
waiting for my toons when they get to the right levels, eh?

Thanks again.

Originally Posted by NinjaBoom

The box I have says: "Complete Edition - Includes: SoA and MoM" PC DVD
It has velcro-ish doors on both sides of the cover box - one with the Balrog and the other with Gandalf.
On the Balrog side, there is also a 'Treasures of Moria' instant win sweepstakes ad.

Yes. This MUST be the Mines of Moria expansion, a box which was made in 2008. Next vital question... is there a Codemaster's logo on it ANYWHERE? If there is, then it is a Codemasters box and is obsolete. If not, it is a Turbine box and has value.

Assuming that it is a Turbine box, THIS box gives you:

• the Mines of Moria quest pack
• The Runekeeper and Warden classes
• 2 additional character slots
• An increase in your skirmish soldier level cap
• 30 days of VIP time

If it is a Codemasters box, then you should attempt to return it since it is no longer fit for a purpose.

No matter WHICH version it is, do NOT install the client using the disks. Those disks are over 4 years old... and you already have all the software you need installed on your PC. Assuming it is a new, unused, Turbine-printed box, the only thing you need is the product key.

Originally Posted by NinjaBoom

I have the Mithril edition, as well. Been holding on until my toons are high enough lvl to use the Moria quests. Mine also shows the Shadows of Angmar along the spine. Is that expansion/quest pack included, too?

My other question is this: I've already spent some cash on TP so I'm now Premium. This retail code will take me to VIP for 30 days. What happens if/when I revert to Premium? I don't lose anything (quests/extra toon slots) that came w/this new access, right?

If I understand everything correctly, the MoM box will give you two extra Char slots, and access to the RK & Warden. If I remember correctly, as a Premium player, you have 3 char slots. VIP status gives you 2 slots and MoM gives you 2 slots, for a total of 7 slots. When you month of VIP is up, you will go down to 5 char slots. You will not loose the chars in those slots, but they will be dormant until you either go back to VIP or buy the slots with TP. While you are VIP, you will have access to all the quest packs except Mirkwood and Isengard (I believe), and instances and skirmishes. When you revert back to Premium, you will loose access to any quest pacs you did not own prior to adding MoM, with the exception of MoM, and maybe Eregion and Lothloarian. (Eregion and Lothlorian were origionally included with MoM, but I'm not sure of the current status. Hopefully someone else will have a better answer to that).

For example, Before you add Moria, you had access to the Shire, Breeland, Ered Luin & the Lone Lands. While VIP you have access to everything, such as North Downs, Everswim,... When you revert back to Premium, you will be able to complete any current quests in these areas (not quest arcs, just current quests), but will loose access. You will still have access to Moria.

The extra char slots are also important. Even though you will loose access to them, the chars will not be deleted. If you plan on buying the slots with TP later, it is a good idea to put chars you will use in those slots. When you buy the slots, any chars in those slots will have the same grandfathered VIP benefits. (No gold cap, 5 bags, extra trait slots, free riding ability if you did the quest at lvl 20) Any new chars you make while premium will have the premium limitations unless you go VIP again at a later date.

Hope this clears up a few things, and hope I got it all correct. Hopefully anyone will correct anything I have wrong. I've been a subscriber since 2008 and VIP since F2P, so everything I said above is from what I have read on the forums, bluename posts, trusted blogs, kinnies and ingame friends.

Sadly, the Moria expansion includes only - Moria - but you still get quite a lot, as people have pointed out. It's a huge quest pack, lots of instances, two extra character slots, warden & rk classes, plus the 30 days of VIP will unlock stuf that would cost you about 20$ per toon in points if you unlocked it all separately.

Moria came with Lothlorien until November 2010. At that point, Turbine split up the packs. If you had bought Moria prior to then you still got Loth. If you bought it after that, you didn't.

So you won't have Lothlorien with it, but it's still an excellent deal if it's a Turbine box. (Loth is worth buying if you're fed up with orcs for a while after Moria - I always am!)

Originally Posted by swattz101

When you month of VIP is up, you will go down to 5 char slots. You will not loose the chars in those slots, but they will be dormant until you either go back to VIP or buy the slots with TP. While you are VIP, you will have access to all the quest packs except Mirkwood and Isengard (I believe), and instances and skirmishes. When you revert back to Premium, you will loose access to any quest pacs you did not own prior to adding MoM, with the exception of MoM, and maybe Eregion and Lothloarian. (Eregion and Lothlorian were origionally included with MoM, but I'm not sure of the current status. Hopefully someone else will have a better answer to that).

For example, Before you add Moria, you had access to the Shire, Breeland, Ered Luin & the Lone Lands. While VIP you have access to everything, such as North Downs, Everswim,... When you revert back to Premium, you will be able to complete any current quests in these areas (not quest arcs, just current quests), but will loose access. You will still have access to Moria.

OK, that clears up most of my concerns. I already have some of the earlier QPacks (NDowns, Everswim [heh, like what you did there], Trollshaws), but I'm about to butt up against the Angmar-accessed sections. Reason I was waiting this long to use the code it because I had heard the 'reverting back that losing your stuff' information before - just didn't know what was kept and what went bye-bye.

BTW, this is the Turbine box. Found it on the shelf of a retail place that didn't take it down after the game went F2P.

I suppose I'll have to find a clear 30 days when I can devote the time necessary to send my toons on a quest hunt during the VIP time period. One of the rumors I read/heard stated that if you have the quest in queue, it doesn't go away even if the rest of quest pack does. Speaking of, are we sure it is just Moria that stays or does the Angmar parts stay with it - since the box does say "includes SoA and MoM" ?

Guess I'll have to wait until the next sale on TPoints before I can move much further upwards. And, yes, I will take advantage of the extra slots. I've got a nice train of task/craft items filtering through the toons I'm currently using. Could definitely make use of someone else to 'share the wealth with,' so to speak. They will probably be the first things on which I'll use whatever new points I gain/buy.

Anyone else have any particulars on what stays and what goes after the VIP period is up?
Thanks in advance (and thank you for all the earlier comments).

Originally Posted by NinjaBoom

I suppose I'll have to find a clear 30 days when I can devote the time necessary to send my toons on a quest hunt during the VIP time period. One of the rumors I read/heard stated that if you have the quest in queue, it doesn't go away even if the rest of quest pack does. Speaking of, are we sure it is just Moria that stays or does the Angmar parts stay with it - since the box does say "includes SoA and MoM" ?

"Siege of Angmar" was the subtitle for the original release of LotRO. Mines of Moria was the first expansion. As I said before, this box was printed in 2008, many years before Free to Play was a gleam in the dev's eyes.

What I listed above is what you get with the box. You'll have access to the Angmar quests and deeds while you are VIP, and will lose it once your VIP time is up. If you have a quest or deed in your log, you will be able to complete it but you won't be able to get the next one in the chain unless you have the quest pack.