Thread: Should I die for you?

As you might be able to tell, i'm Talidis. a rank 10 defiler on our server if you don't play pvp.

And i've got a few questions, what am i doing wrong? people tell me i'm overpowered and this might be true, i know with audacity healing has gotten a large bit stronger then before and we're able to do some pretty insane stuff but does that make me horrible? from what i understand a lot of people hate me.

this is your time to tell me why. while i wait ill put out there what i can figure might be the problems.

I don't know if i really do play like such a horrible person that i ruin everyones time in the moors, i'm always trying to make it fun for both sides. but first and foremost i try and make it fun for the side i'm playing especially if i'm leading a raid.

We are here to kill you, and your here to kill us. I'm going to do everything in my power to stop you from killing the people around me and that means healing, and fearing a lot.

People seem to think I joined and run black lotus as a group of players that never dies and only runs in groups with BL members just so we can say we're gods and run the moors. at least thats the way the creeps on our server see us from the hate they show in OOC.

I'm hard to take down, I understand this i run every buff i can and eat food almost 100% of the time these days and i like to think i'm also a decent player ontop of the rank and buffs.

I take down squishy targets when i run groups...this is basic of corse i kill the hunters/rks/minstrels/lms first so does everyone else i'm not just picking on you because i don't like you its the same idea that you focus defilers/warleaders and low ranked players.

Ill call out people when running around solo, If i see someone who's likely to kill me or has been in a group ill call you out in ooc. sometimes people show up before i die, sometimes they don't. sometimes people don't ever show up. sometimes other freeps show up. I can't ever know if you have friends or not just like you don't know if I do.

Thats all i've got for now, so now its time for you guys to let me know if i should stay and keep going at it and take everything i hear about people hating me as misinformed or if i should leave the server so everyone can actually have fun again in the moors.

It takes all the fun out of it for me if i'm told you guys aren't having any fun.

If they don't like you for the above mentioned, then they surely don't like me. Whats the beef!?


PS: I like you Tal

Seriously? You're one of the nicest guys on Creepside Tal. You're always trying to keep it even.

For any people who are hating, you should know that when the Creeps are losing, Tal's always the one trying to get us to keep fighting rather than log off or go PvE, even if the odds are pretty well set against us. He also disbands any raid he's leading that's starting to zerg (or leaves one that's doing the same, if not leading).

Tal, we all like you, any flak you may be getting is just from people complaining about losing, simple as that. I've gotten tells from people insulting me because I saved some other Creep with my Warleader's heals or from pouncing them on Warg. They're just idjits and should be treated as such (and are promptly referred to my ignore list )

Talidis is a good healer, Freepies. Deal with it. You have some of your own that we'd like to complain about =P

Personally I really don't like a dedicated healing class like a defiler/mini/rk. Imo it just makes it so that one side with the most healers generally just crushes the other side. I'm fine with a class like cappy/wl where you get spot heals and bubbles or a self healing class but pure healing just makes things frustrating, I'd rather it be more kill or be killed. However that's probably mostly due to my personal playstyle, and I don't hate anyone on creepside for what they do(except maybe spiders). As far as you go Talidis I'm always down for more 1v1's especially, I need lots more practice vs flies.

The only other thing I'd say is that when you guys have a big raid and there are little to no freeps (generally when flipping the map), you guys are missing out on infamy by spam healing the guy in your raid who gets jumped. If I can get a kill I'll fight to the death in almost every situation. However, if I know the instant I jump somebody he's going to get spam healed/bubbled then I'm simply not going to fight because there's no point. I understand that you want to protect people in your raid but there's no chance I'm going to solo a whole raid and you're really just depriving both sides of renown/infamy. Personally I'd gladly die for some infamy and I'd make the same choice for someone in my raid. It's really up to whoever's in the raid but I'd much rather have some infamy than zero myself.

Seriously? You're one of the nicest guys on Creepside Tal.

Wuv u Tal <hugs>



Just ignore the jealous, sociopathic trolls.

If people are hating, then you are doing something right

Originally Posted by MrFreddy

Personally I really don't like a dedicated healing class like a defiler/mini/rk. Imo it just makes it so that one side with the most healers generally just crushes the other side. I'm fine with a class like cappy/wl where you get spot heals and bubbles or a self healing class but pure healing just makes things frustrating, I'd rather it be more kill or be killed. However that's probably mostly due to my personal playstyle, and I don't hate anyone on creepside for what they do(except maybe spiders). As far as you go Talidis I'm always down for more 1v1's especially, I need lots more practice vs flies.

The only other thing I'd say is that when you guys have a big raid and there are little to no freeps (generally when flipping the map), you guys are missing out on infamy by spam healing the guy in your raid who gets jumped. If I can get a kill I'll fight to the death in almost every situation. However, if I know the instant I jump somebody he's going to get spam healed/bubbled then I'm simply not going to fight because there's no point. I understand that you want to protect people in your raid but there's no chance I'm going to solo a whole raid and you're really just depriving both sides of renown/infamy. Personally I'd gladly die for some infamy and I'd make the same choice for someone in my raid. It's really up to whoever's in the raid but I'd much rather have some infamy than zero myself.

Defilers arent a straight healing class fyi...when used to their full potential..defilers are nasty debuffers...just saying.

to the OP: ive played on creepside along time and have many freeps hate me over the years...all it really means is that your doing your job of denying a dirty freep their reknown! So you keep throwing blessing of darkness and improved blight and deny memore points on imladris! if they hate ya..screw em!

Originally Posted by MrFreddy

The only other thing I'd say is that when you guys have a big raid and there are little to no freeps (generally when flipping the map), you guys are missing out on infamy by spam healing the guy in your raid who gets jumped. If I can get a kill I'll fight to the death in almost every situation. However, if I know the instant I jump somebody he's going to get spam healed/bubbled then I'm simply not going to fight because there's no point. I understand that you want to protect people in your raid but there's no chance I'm going to solo a whole raid and you're really just depriving both sides of renown/infamy. Personally I'd gladly die for some infamy and I'd make the same choice for someone in my raid. It's really up to whoever's in the raid but I'd much rather have some infamy than zero myself.

I agree with this. I'm guilty of doing that on Warleader sometimes, it's just reflexive to try and save your teammates when on a healing class. Sometimes I let the person try for the kill though, respecting them for trying to get a kill in the middle of a raid, knowing that they're going to die for the kill (since that's how I play my Warg :P).

Dedicated healing classes do throw off the balance of pvp a bit, just look at GW1 PvP. If you team has a white monk and they don't, you win Another reason I'm excited for GW2.

Anyways, back on topic, you know you're not trying to grief people Tal, you're just looking out for your fellow Creeps.

Halojs Taladis,

about 14 days in the moors, we both met in battle already a couple of times. some you win, some i win. neither me, nor i heared that anyone else i know on freepside dislikes you. you're regarded to be a good healer on the other side and a honorable opponent.

As you mentioned, its given by nature that we both as LM & Defiler will charge each other first in raids. You want to take out my CC, I want to take out your heals. and thats fine of course.
Result: We send each other pets, swarms and stuns - and i actually like that *laugh*

Some creeps I simply respect, irrespective of how many times i went down by them:
- Grashnal
- Rexxar
- Konfigat (or similar, its an orc-archer)
- and you Taladis

You guys simply seem to have a fun and fair approch when playing. And there never seems any freep reporting you would downtalk too badly on others (unlike to what we hear of Booty and Bubs).

If ppl approach you badly, try not to pay attention to that and ignore those.
From time to time there simply is (and probaply will continue to be) bad attitude (on both sides) -

- there is a lot of bad talking, surely on both sides.
- ppl do not invite others to groupings, just because they are new- or lvl 74 instead of 75.
- some simply dont want to share renown/comms and close out therefore others

Entered Ettenmoors with 4 of my kin. due to reasons above the others dont like it. Magala, our Kin-mini, barely get inivted if i am not around. Why should she (or others) even bother to come then?

So Taladis, its probaply how ppl behave in general, rather than something against you.

Dut to Time-Diff (scandinavian here) i will transfer to another Server. But the few time left on Imladris I do look forward to meet you out in the Ettenmoors. Will even change my traits for you ;-))

- ElenEstel -

Originally Posted by Alturin

PS: I like you Tal

i like you more than that^ tal.
maybe even love

Originally Posted by Rogue17

i like you more than that^ tal.
maybe even love

Stop! We're husbands, stop cheating on me!

Originally Posted by Talizar

As you might be able to tell, i'm Talidis. a rank 10 defiler on our server if you don't play pvp.

And i've got a few questions, what am i doing wrong? people tell me i'm overpowered and this might be true, i know with audacity healing has gotten a large bit stronger then before and we're able to do some pretty insane stuff but does that make me horrible? from what i understand a lot of people hate me.

this is your time to tell me why. while i wait ill put out there what i can figure might be the problems.

I don't know if i really do play like such a horrible person that i ruin everyones time in the moors, i'm always trying to make it fun for both sides. but first and foremost i try and make it fun for the side i'm playing especially if i'm leading a raid.

We are here to kill you, and your here to kill us. I'm going to do everything in my power to stop you from killing the people around me and that means healing, and fearing a lot.

People seem to think I joined and run black lotus as a group of players that never dies and only runs in groups with BL members just so we can say we're gods and run the moors. at least thats the way the creeps on our server see us from the hate they show in OOC.

I'm hard to take down, I understand this i run every buff i can and eat food almost 100% of the time these days and i like to think i'm also a decent player ontop of the rank and buffs.

I take down squishy targets when i run groups...this is basic of corse i kill the hunters/rks/minstrels/lms first so does everyone else i'm not just picking on you because i don't like you its the same idea that you focus defilers/warleaders and low ranked players.

Ill call out people when running around solo, If i see someone who's likely to kill me or has been in a group ill call you out in ooc. sometimes people show up before i die, sometimes they don't. sometimes people don't ever show up. sometimes other freeps show up. I can't ever know if you have friends or not just like you don't know if I do.

Thats all i've got for now, so now its time for you guys to let me know if i should stay and keep going at it and take everything i hear about people hating me as misinformed or if i should leave the server so everyone can actually have fun again in the moors.

It takes all the fun out of it for me if i'm told you guys aren't having any fun.

Sorry Tal, I don't know anyone who hates you, the only reason I see for that is because you pwned them and they are now b*tt hurts

Originally Posted by Selebrimbor

If people are hating, then you are doing something right

This

PS: when I saw the title I thought you were going to talk about healing out of group lol.

PS 2: oh and grats on r10!

When majority of the 2011 BL players stopped playing - Me, Hells, Ed, and so forth - Talidis stepped up and kept Black Lotus going. Without that, I in fact believe this server would be dead, and the creeps would never be competitive against decent freep raids. I mean, half the freep renown for imladris basically came from the RoI freavers getting farmed, if that says anything about wanting 'renown'.

This server has aged quite a bit since I started playing on Imladris at it's launch, albeit inactive and active at times. I've played with Talidis plenty, in fact, when you first started healing for raids that I would run/participate in, outside of Buuhu (If we had that combo - the freeps would never get kills.) I knew you were the only other defiler that was reliable. So whether this thread is sarcasm or not, I cannot tell, as from my perspective, you are a very good guy.

I've always been hated in games I play, because I play the game the way I want, not how others think I should. The game is here to entertain, killing dem freeps is the job of a creep. Oh and as for fun, I'm sure all the fun left this server when Togepi stopped destroying all the people fool enough to oppose him in GLFF. Most importantly - play the game to have fun for yourself Tal, not just others. :P

Thanks all for the replies, its good to know some still like me
that said tho i know not everyone does by the things like a r0 reaver sending me a tell saying something like "thanks for ganking me" with a few strings of curses inside along with some other less fun things.

I can deal with people being unhappy with me it happens all the time from people wanting invites to groups 24/7 (often when i'm not even grouped) or someone wanting an invite to BL and doesn't meet the requirements and so on, just completely takes the fun out of it for me when i'm told someone stopped playing while i'm out in the moors. and then not even giving a reason why.

@Maethar: I do see your point that giving a little to get a little is good, but then you always have to put yourself in the shoes of the person you'd let die while he's in a group with 2+ healers and think about fun it would be for them heh. but you are right and i may in the future go with a (dps/debuff) strictly style play when we have little fighting us. that said i've done my fair share of sitting in the tops of keeps while freeps flip and the same things happens its just a matter of doing what you can to stop the healers, wait for a execute from the tyrant/cg, charge in cc the healers and try for the kill is what I generally do when alone in a keep, and it does sometimes work.

Originally Posted by Talizar

@Maethar: I do see your point that giving a little to get a little is good, but then you always have to put yourself in the shoes of the person you'd let die while he's in a group with 2+ healers and think about fun it would be for them heh. but you are right and i may in the future go with a (dps/debuff) strictly style play when we have little fighting us. that said i've done my fair share of sitting in the tops of keeps while freeps flip and the same things happens its just a matter of doing what you can to stop the healers, wait for a execute from the tyrant/cg, charge in cc the healers and try for the kill is what I generally do when alone in a keep, and it does sometimes work.

Yeah I understand that from your point of view you have a lone freep popping up and trying to kill a member of your raid and it's natural to try to save all members of your raid from death. It might be kinda odd how my mind works but to me it's totally fine for the person I'm fighting to blow everything he has as well as have the whole raid dps'ing on me, it's just the healing/bubbling others in that situation that makes me a little disappointed.

Also I kinda wish defilers had a "Gourd" stance where they played similar to WS mini's, that would be pretty interesting imo.

Hi Tal,
I play on both sides and while on freep you may be a royal pain and on creep a great ally. As Sahmhain I am a squishy champ but you always give me a good fight and I have a great deal of respect for you. When you lead a raid with me on freep or creep I know that a very talented individual is leading. I have not personally seen the haters comments nor wish to but I would like you to know that some of the best fights I have had end with me losing and at the end of it I still say with a smile on my face "That was a very good battle". Sahmhain

It's kind of troubling that you'd get so many trash talking you that you felt you needed to justify why you still play. Sounds like people are just mad that you are a good player and spent time on your character. I hate all the freeps that are hard to kill, but I'd never guilt trip them about killing me.

Anyways, I like you too Tal. Keep healing me when you can

Originally Posted by Mostovskiy

When majority of the 2011 BL players stopped playing - Me, Hells, Ed, and so forth - Talidis stepped up and kept Black Lotus going. Without that, I in fact believe this server would be dead, and the creeps would never be competitive against decent freep raids. I mean, half the freep renown for imladris basically came from the RoI freavers getting farmed, if that says anything about wanting 'renown'.

This server has aged quite a bit since I started playing on Imladris at it's launch, albeit inactive and active at times. I've played with Talidis plenty, in fact, when you first started healing for raids that I would run/participate in, outside of Buuhu (If we had that combo - the freeps would never get kills.) I knew you were the only other defiler that was reliable. So whether this thread is sarcasm or not, I cannot tell, as from my perspective, you are a very good guy.

I've always been hated in games I play, because I play the game the way I want, not how others think I should. The game is here to entertain, killing dem freeps is the job of a creep. Oh and as for fun, I'm sure all the fun left this server when Togepi stopped destroying all the people fool enough to oppose him in GLFF. Most importantly - play the game to have fun for yourself Tal, not just others. :P

I miss Tog's sarcastic comments and him verbally owning people in glff. A lot of fun definitely died along with him. ):

As for you Talidis, I've been creeping for a long-ish time. Although never on one character consistently, and from what I've seen you're a pretty great player. Always bringing the fight to the freep, no matter how outnumbered you are. Just ignore the trash talk, I'd hate to see another player go. We've had enough leave already.. D:

I don't like flies .. tho I should prolly take it up with Turbine instead of defilers

but going all emo after some greenies dislike you, that's weak dude .. /ignore and keep destroying stuff

I think you might be one of the not so many creeps, which are actually really fun to fight.

ps: perhaps because I've only fought you a couple of times, but it seemed that you go down faster then nubdun.

Tal Id not take to much from words of others putting you down-your a great healer n player,i was there with you alot on Deathgoober when you ranked up . I know how you feel on the bs chat that folks give. I been catching flack form alot of the creeps that i fought along side with as they ranked, I always tryed to make fair fights in the moors as do you,but others don't share those values. Iv seen Tog disband a raid of creeps when only few freeps out just to balance it out. There are many on this server that dont look at buffs and stats under the charater avatar,they just see creep/Freep nodes, If one side dont have enough to fight then stop and start getting 1v1,2v2,etc. More folks will stay on the map if they have a chance at a kill thus then maybe after it balances out then resume reg fights ,but both sides gotta be willing to be FAIR, if not the peps see 1 high rank creep/Freep and then bash him/her for being good .
I got bored with pvp and started playing my mini only reason iv been out there lately is to get boots to boost my stats, other than that I have no instrest in it any more.

On off note why is it allways gotta be healers have to be drop first, iv seen battles on other server where melee/ranger,etc take each other out-stama battles healer heal till not one left on both side then healers burn each other,seem folk just want quick easy kills and not epic fights?

Really, your right Eve that it was pretty weak of me to post as even if someone does dislike me its not like they are going to post it and tell me if they go to the trouble of making reavers to hide who they are.

But i must be doing something, because i've been getting this for months now and really the thing that bugs me the most is not knowing who/what i'm doing that bugs them. ether its one person who keeps making endless alts, or a lot more people dislike me then seem to be showing it.

@Eve outside of that....you may be right in that Nub survives longer then me.....i have a way of attracting all the notice of the lovely freeps about. He may also be better at keeping himself in situations where he can save himself.....where i tend to just run into the middle of freep raids when its a stand off at a keep to stir things up. Also to be fair I haven't seen you out in the moors a lot.

@Alise as for healers being focused first, i think its mostly just grown into standard practice with healers being able to keep people up easier now that audacity made healing stronger you can focus the DPS down all you like, if they have a healer going at it nonstop, you won't get a kill until the healer is dead.

@Maethar To be honest, i would much rather see a debuff stance then a dps stance.

Whenever you excel at something, you will get attention, both good and bad. You just gotta live with it.

People have a tendency to always (at first) blame someone else. Most of the time it's the top player of either opposing or your side. So whenever raids/tribes kill, survive or not invite, it's very likely that you get bad rep from someone.

Imho it's not what you're doing wrong, but what you're doing right, that irritates the lesser being

ps: Since I'm from eastern EU, I'm not in the moors much at peak hours. But I'm sure we'll meet some day, and I'll get a chance to spank you

Tal, anytime someone expresses their dislike of you, redirect them to this image:

Hey Talidis, I can tell you that your class, skill, rank, and leadership altogether brings out some of the best fun in the moors. I personally think audacity and the other adjustments made to creeps have helped creeps out considerably (remember right after RoI?). For the first time freeps have to pvp for gear, and with most not to used it, they lack in that respect.

As for being called out... it will happen. I never warspeeched (WS) until rank 8 and that's only because I was asked to by most creeps (This was before minis could self heal in WS). I personally think healing is fun and brings versatility to many fights. I prefer the small 6v6 12v12 as there is more strategy involved and class customization so you healing or anyone healing/bubbling is welcomed from my part. Getting spammed with omgihateyou tells? Been there. Respond logically, make your case or if you're getting trolled, ignore.

P.S. I can tell Maethar hates when I heal him

Originally Posted by Apache140

P.S. I can tell Maethar hates when I heal him

"Omg apache healed me again pls kick from raid"

I do hate you Tal.

And just to make sure you remember that, next time ill see you i'll whip your orcish ### with great joy!
(And for some strange reason, you like it...)

Ak. The Warleader.

It really saddens me to see a post like this coming from Tal of all people. Imladris pvp, you're seriously doing something wrong here.

Tal, frankly, you're one of the best defilers I've seen, both on Imladris and Nimrodel. While you happen to be quite skilled, it's your attitude that sets you apart and makes you an amazing ally and adversary. You're one of a small handful of people that actually cares about the quality of pvp and will bow out when you feel your side has an overwhelming advantage. I know how challenging it is to lead a raid when you're solely responsible for keeping everyone alive, and yet you've stepped up to do just that countless times. Don't let anyone ever make you feel bad about what you do and how you play. Ever.

And by the way, congrats on r10.

I'll never understand why anyone would be bitter toward another player for being good.

As far as I can tell, Talidis, there are far more freeps who grudgingly respect you than resent you.

That's not hate. It's infamy.

Cheers,
Nunan

Originally Posted by MrFreddy

and I don't hate anyone on creepside for what they do(except maybe spiders).

Aw... Maethar. I hope you don't mind fighting me. I love fighting you. ^ ^

Originally Posted by Talizar

As you might be able to tell, i'm Talidis. a rank 10 defiler on our server if you don't play pvp.

And i've got a few questions, what am i doing wrong? people tell me i'm overpowered and this might be true, i know with audacity healing has gotten a large bit stronger then before and we're able to do some pretty insane stuff but does that make me horrible? from what i understand a lot of people hate me.

this is your time to tell me why. while i wait ill put out there what i can figure might be the problems.

On Meneldor we basically had a saying: "Don't hate the player, hate the game." My first run in with Talidis was when he caught me over at Grothum. I was excited at first until he started lighting me up. When I realized it was a lost cause, I tried to bail but Talidis chased me down all the way to OR. I ran into OR thinking I was safe but Tal ran right after me and took me down. Major props on being gutsy. Most creeps in my experience woulda never ran it. I like the way you play and would tell you not to change for anyone. While I don't creep on Imladris due to our kin rules, I generally try to play the same way on my creep.

During my time here there's been a few creeps that I've come to respect a lot due to their play style. Talidis, Hawtshot, Juwato and Tolstoy (seems like he has perma evade at times) to name a few (there's a few more that I can't recall atm). You guys bring it and dont hit and run. I respect that and would say don't change a thing. So forget the butthurt people Tal and keep playing the way you do!

Originally Posted by Raiel

OH MY GOD. Tal, you have NO idea how jealous of you I am right now. She once promised me drawings of all the creep classes with top hats and monocles, but never delivered! This is an outrage. I DEMAND JUSTICE.


Or pie. Pie would suffice.

It's probably those silly flies they don't like.

<giggles>


Seriously though, the people who are griefing Tal (or anyone for that matter) should really just go play in traffic.

The energy you expend rage-logging, making a freaver and then griefing with /tells is just amazing. Either get used to the fact that you suck or work to improve yourself instead of trolling someone who has skill.

Originally Posted by Ammath88

OH MY GOD. Tal, you have NO idea how jealous of you I am right now. She once promised me drawings of all the creep classes with top hats and monocles, but never delivered! This is an outrage. I DEMAND JUSTICE.



Or pie. Pie would suffice.

I remember that conversation, Dani. Tal, you are a very, very lucky man. -_-

HEY. I made no such promises! I do recall a bunch of guys bullying me on vent about drawing their creeps, and I might still get around to doing that. LoTRO really lost its shine for me, but it's still my first mmo and there was a lot of fanart I had planned on doing. Maybe an art thread will happen, idk.

ps I refuse to derail yet another pvp thread, TAL IS GREAT EVERYONE LOVES TAL.

Originally Posted by Raiel

HEY. I made no such promises! I do recall a bunch of guys bullying me on vent about drawing their creeps, and I might still get around to doing that. LoTRO really lost its shine for me, but it's still my first mmo and there was a lot of fanart I had planned on doing. Maybe an art thread will happen, idk.

ps I refuse to derail yet another pvp thread, TAL IS GREAT EVERYONE LOVES TAL.

I HAVE PROOF



Ok, you didn't exactly say "I promise" but you still got my hopes up and then CRUSHED them. /hobbitcry

Originally Posted by Talizar

But i must be doing something, because i've been getting this for months now and really the thing that bugs me the most is not knowing who/what i'm doing that bugs them. ether its one person who keeps making endless alts, or a lot more people dislike me then seem to be showing it.

Hey Tal.

Guess what? Utilize the /ignore function. =)

You're the best man in the moors; don't let anyone's insecurities make you play any less.

"There is no shame in defeat, however there is shame in giving up." Right?

says the spider who stopped playing! need to stop by in game and see us Sym.

as for the ignore, i've tried it....but whomever it was felt the need to make multiple, so ignoring was useless.

Aside from that for the moment at least it seems to have stopped, so hopefully i got through to however it was and the post was useful.

@Vert, that picture is awesome really gave me a smile, wish my defiler skin looked that cool!

and thanks to everyone for the replies, good to know my time out in the moors isn't completely wasted

SYMPHONY! yay!

No Tal, your time is not wasted.

And you are the sexiest defiler in the Moors, just FYI.

just sayin'

Well, why do i still get hate?












(The nerve of me to be OP)

Tali, your one of the best people in the moors. You can lead a raid, you can solo, and if people hate you for what you do, considering that a defiler is built for healing and debuffs, then they need to learn that if there hating, to transfer, and theyl see a good defiler, maybee not one as good as you, on another server.

So to all the haters, Tali is just showing you how defilers will work if there good. Dont hate him for it. He obv. cares, so back off.

When ppl trying kill u by 4 and u only had me little squishy R5warg, and u own 3 of them before u die, yes, they gonna hate u..