My personal view is not to change side from freep to creep or from creep to freep during fights..
It's better to decide: ''today i ll play my freep or today i ll play my creep''.
Unfortunatelly most of the players change sides for taking advantage or for spying the enemy..
There isnt too much switching as far as i noticed, but freeps calling for more even when theyre outnumbering is a common case. And in most of the cases those new players are the same players comming every time in situations like this.
Yesterday some group of 6-8 freeps came and saw chance to kill lowranks, cuz guys like me siszgar and pawjaw were on lowrank alts. They took TR, stormed into TA killing us lowranks. We switched to mains, made a team of 6 and wiped them ofc. Then they left. We had ideal chance for PvP but they werent interested in that.
- when creeps are having a big good group no freeps can be found (i think freep/creep have a large shared pool on WW so having one bars the other)
- people are sensitive about what they think is their image
- creeps will get anyone in the group. freeps wont since they have grudges
- i still hate wargs, they need to be hit with a nerf stick on their paws
- afk-ing, DC-ing and lunch time are the most epic banes of PvP balance
- my undergeared minnie can survive running in heal mode (for a while at least and with full focus, but also no stun pots) the attack of Boshal/Doglike (cant remember which). to bad i didnt run to GY :P
Yeah probably thats more of the case since even my poor minnie could survive a warg attack solo, not to mention in a group. Maybe RoR brings some love to hunters.
And the big mystery is ofc what is the meaning of what they said about the changes in Ettens with the <tuning the capture mechanism> (whatever that is) and turning comm and infamy/renown gathering from PvE to PvP. Very curious indeed.
No idea :P But on Beta Server i skilled my hunter most on vit/agi/might and at the end i equipped myself even a GR bauble , worked perfectly, in spar^^
Yeah probably thats more of the case since even my poor minnie could survive a warg attack solo, not to mention in a group. Maybe RoR brings some love to hunters.
And the big mystery is ofc what is the meaning of what they said about the changes in Ettens with the <tuning the capture mechanism> (whatever that is) and turning comm and infamy/renown gathering from PvE to PvP. Very curious indeed.
Ya, over-population of wargies sucks so much, the smelly muts.
Been saying it for months, roll an uruk and never go back.
No idea :P But on Beta Server i skilled my hunter most on vit/agi/might and at the end i equipped myself even a GR bauble , worked perfectly, in spar^^
You do realize that 99% of hunters are actualy stacking agi/might/vit aswell? So you didnt do nothing everyone is not doing already, and you say it worked perfectly in spar? LOL, with who did you spar, since im sure no hunter can take good creep rank6+ nowdays, Unles the creep is reaver or Wl.
In this rarest of cases, i have to agree with Zrinko. Hunters struggle against creeps r6 and above, and unless we get the first hits from out of combat, we're pretty much screwed.
And Dream, sparring people on bullroarer doesn't count for anything, since any random noob can make a 75, and even you can beat them
PS: No Limmy, i'm the turtle, you're the bean. fool of an uruk.
Very good fight this morning. Creeps were waiting at lug with 3 top defilers against few freeps. They gave their best at this fight.,but simply they couldn't keep tyrant allive. Was fun and exciting to see baz, bagalug and lutgash in actions. Keep up good work bazz, and also good try , keep practicing as a team', you just needed little more practice to be on top. On freep side brogur took great job as only mini in this small felow. I hope i stay day or two more to see fights like this. Cheers
Very good fight this morning. Creeps were waiting at lug with 3 top defilers against few freeps. They gave their best at this fight.,but simply they couldn't keep tyrant allive. Was fun and exciting to see baz, bagalug and lutgash in actions. Keep up good work bazz, and also good try , keep practicing as a team', you just needed little more practice to be on top. On freep side brogur took great job as only mini in this small felow. I hope i stay day or two more to see fights like this. Cheers
I dont know what to think of this... You make it sound like there where loads of creeps and no freeps...
We where 3! vs 6 freeps at the Lug Fight,you had a Mini and cappy healing,3 champs and a RK dps.. All the dps we had was the Tyrant.. You killed the Tyrant,we cant keep him alive if we cant heal him btw,we didnt really care tho,we got what we came for,pvp/kills,i suppose you got what you wanted too,a dead tyrant aka pve.
The fights before where just Stupid.. A group of freeps with huge dps and heals vs 3 defilers,i am 100% sure any other defilers there would have died,and Ileri is gonna call me stuff again,but we are on top if it takes 6 freeps to kill 3 creeps that arent even r9+
We cant kill such a freepgrp 3v6 in the open,you really want more of those fights? pathetic and kinda insulting...
Very good fight this morning. Creeps were waiting at lug with 3 top defilers against few freeps. They gave their best at this fight.,but simply they couldn't keep tyrant allive. Was fun and exciting to see baz, bagalug and lutgash in actions. Keep up good work bazz, and also good try , keep practicing as a team', you just needed little more practice to be on top. On freep side brogur took great job as only mini in this small felow. I hope i stay day or two more to see fights like this. Cheers
Creeps were waiting at lug WITH 3 defilers?Maybe you want to say just 3 defilers were waiting at lug..Few freeps?double the number of the creeps.Your point is?You managed to kill the tyrant,so?You shouldnt even die,some of you did tho.Some even jumped.
So dont come here being all cocky and proud of what you did.You did nothing.Just proved again that you know nothing about pvp.
Was fun and exciting to see baz, bagalug and lutgash in actions. Keep up good work bazz, and also good try , keep practicing as a team', you just needed little more practice to be on top.
I'm always telling you 3. PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE if you want to be as good as Serb
Joke aside. This post really pissed me off. So Serb i want you to put up that awesome team of yours and bring it to moors tonight and we ll bring our humble creep team. I guarantee that after a few fights you ll cry tears from holes you've never even knew you had.
Maybe hes practicing for the new keep capturing mechanic? Still a mystery what it really is but im keeping my hopes up
Now about the respective post....well to each his own preferences i say.....some are proud of taking a keep from 3 defilers, some are proud to have kills with 3 defilers, some are proud of of eating 100 hot dogs in 1 hour. And at least serb made a compliment ;-). anyhow wasnt there to comment more.....
@Bazillion: you use the word pathetic to much and to easily. its a heavy word with many implications ;-)
Your 'humble' creep team has x2 defilers spamming hots, when combined with IP and sickflesh makes killing anyone in a 6 (ish) group very hard indeed. The balance of defilers was designed for busier servers with big groups where maybe 10 freeps would rat the target not 2 or 3.
If the server had bigger groups this would not matter, but on this small server with low populations it does as its hard to get enough dps to take a target down that has numerous hots on it.
Therefore, (despite the fact that you are a good player, I'm not trying to flame u) its not really skill which makes your humble creep group good, its the fact that the groups are smaller than was intended for balanced pvp on the larger servers.
Freeps have their own problems, which makes it easier for u, but small groups with defilers healing is the main reason your small team does well.
In contrast when your humble group is on freep there are no ranked defilers left on creep side, so u have an easy time there too.
Just my 2 cents ... maybe you dont agree, (Baz im sure you dont lol, I'm probably being pathetic)
Your 'humble' creep team has x2 defilers spamming hots, when combined with IP and sickflesh makes killing anyone in a 6 (ish) group very hard indeed. The balance of defilers was designed for busier servers with big groups where maybe 10 freeps would rat the target not 2 or 3.
If the server had bigger groups this would not matter, but on this small server with low populations it does as its hard to get enough dps to take a target down that has numerous hots on it.
Therefore, (despite the fact that you are a good player, I'm not trying to flame u) its not really skill which makes your humble creep group good, its the fact that the groups are smaller than was intended for balanced pvp on the larger servers.
Freeps have their own problems, which makes it easier for u, but small groups with defilers healing is the main reason your small team does well.
In contrast when your humble group is on freep there are no ranked defilers left on creep side, so u have an easy time there too.
Getta.
We arent talking about even numbered fights Getta,in a 6v6 2 defilers 1 WL and 2 dps are a tough,although nowhere close to unbeatable force,i wont deny that... However when do we ever only face 5-6 freeps with our grp? never...In situations like we get them 6v10+,where the 1o arent only Hunters or 3v6 3 defilers vs a huge dmg output freepgrp with heals.. there is 0 excuse for freeps not winning and dying without a single kill,well there is 1,and that excuse is ppl aint got a clue how to play,teamwork,lead,rat,assist, support... call it whatever...
Our 5 man freep group,despite having no captain,or heavy armor killed 10 creeps... that had a decent ranked all skills available veteran player defiler and a r10 WL,ask Ileri she was there... Why cant your 10man freepraids beat 6 creeps with 2 defilers?
Our Creepgrp takes on double the Number of freeps,and that has little to do with Defilers beeing OP in small fights.. Its the utter lack of skill on your side,you and your friends fight as if the enemy are NPCs,no focus,no ratting <-- wich has nothing to do with balance if only 3 out of your 10 ppl follow rat,no teamwork nothing... and,yes,you cant kill a target that has hots on it,cause you always run away first
Getta, its not designed for raids for one simple reason: defilers need 7-8 seconds to bring thier heal over time skills up. So the raid of freeps can kill even 2 creeps in that time(if they now what theyre doing). Defilers are actualy better for 3-8 people, for all above that you need WLs mixed with defilers, because defilers cant be fast in heals.
All the problems are in freep organisation and rat issues and there is a place for improvement, a huge improvement. You guys care too much about gear and dmg instead of tactics. Still noone showed any solution for flies. Another problem is potions. Noone is using desiese potions on some of my skills (and i know theyre not on cd) and some of my skills brings you down actually, because -325 might fate and will and -3k armour value with one skill must be cured.
About the fight today, i dont care what freeps think about that fight, but what i can say is that 6 freeps with huge heal and dmg running away from 3 defilers across wtab is XD, and i was laughing very hard on that one. About tyrant, in case we had arived 1 minute earlier, you guys would wipe (and we were there, waiting for you guys to go deeper inside, but i was on the phone)
conclusion: freeps need to work on thier tactics, and pure following rat is not a good tactic if god is there
Baz ... they are not my groups and it is not our team, there is no team, its always pug raids freep side, always, no one has a team on freep side. We just play with whoever turns up, have done for about 4 months now.
I dont run unless the fight is clearly lost. Stop talking nonsense or you will become like Zrinko who no one even bothers to reply to, if they even read his posts.
Lutz...Thanks for a constructive post, it is refreshing from the usual Epeening from the regular creep poster. You repeated what I said in a diluted way, the whole point of my post was that defilers are strong in the smaller groups, but thats what there is on our server. Maybe it takes afew secs to get the hots up , but u can do it out of combat before the fight starts so that dont really matter.
I know full well how a defiler can change the fight as I have a reaver (close rank 7 now)... with a defiler in the group its like playing a completely different character ^^
Those enhanced flies are a pain, as they should be for a rank 14 skill but I dont think they are the major issue.
Yes I agree that freeps not best ratting, using pots, etc but thats cos most of them are very casual and freeps dont have a regular team.
Too bad i gona miss that tonight since i left server today. Wish you all best and GL in WW, both freeps and creeps. Bazz keep practice, keep up good work here, you are born leader, you just needed 2-3 more defillers today, outcome would be tottaly different for sure Also gona miss zrinko and his long feet D
Cheers all and thnx for gaming in WW.
Too bad i gona miss that tonight since i left server today. Wish you all best and GL in WW, both freeps and creeps. Bazz keep practice, keep up good work here, you are born leader, you just needed 2-3 more defillers today, outcome would be tottaly different for sure Also gona miss zrinko and his long feet D
Cheers all and thnx for gaming in WW.
If we had 1 dps class to make it a 4v6 you would have left the Moors as always with 0 kills made,crying and coming back later for pve or farming lowranks.. I know
@ Getta,yes Defilers are OP,forgive my epeening,RKs and Minstrels cant heal anywhere as much as a Defiler and WL,how could i not see that.
I would love for you to give me 1 reason why a creep healer is better then a freep one.
HPS/burst heal Numbers are in freep favour. (i suggest you go read the thread about that somewhere on the forum if you think i make that up)
Chances to get an induction off/ways to interrupt inductions are in freep favour.(play your defiler/WL and try to get an induction off with me hitting you,and then try to interrupt my RKs inductions with your reaver,BA,spider,defiler or WL)
DPS that needs to be outhealed is in freep favour. (i think even you cant possibly disagree there)
And since freeps hit for more then 50% of Creep Morale Pool with certain skills that have either a 100% crit or dev chance,or atleast a close to 100% crit one,you cant even take the slightly higher Morale Pool as an excuse.. That doesnt even consider that tactical freepclasses could go Morale/crit build aswell and be godlike.
Yeah,im epeening,missinforming and obviously trying to hide the fact that Defilers are OP and are way better healers then any Freepheal class in small groups.. I am ignoring the Fact that creep dps is so high that they kill targets in seconds,even those beeing healed by their groupmembers,how delusional of me...
First of all for those who didnt get it; im pretty sure serb´s post was ironic.
Second: Very good job from the defilers which indeed would almost have wiped us.
Apart from that those fights were ultra boring coz totally unbalaced groups which were both just outhealing each others damage, nothing to be proud of or to rage about. Dunno if thats rally worth so much space on the forum^^:P
RK ... has about 6k hps in light armour and can die instantly when ratted. Defiler 15k hps in what feels like medium armour equivalant (might be wrong didn't check the stats). Im sure a pure heal specced RK thats knows whats its doing can be very hard to kill but WW has none. Thats why they different.
Many Many times you see a defiler running to safety from a few dps freeps desperatley trying to slow stun nuke the defiler for 30 secs while it retreats to safety ... u never ever see this happen with an rk, they die too fast.
Minstrels ... yes they are OP also but in the freeps groups most are in warpseech (yes this is freeps fault due to lack of organisation generally). If freeps made a x2 minstrel x1 cappy 6 man group Im sure it would also be very strong but they dont. Creeps also say its lame when freeps have x2 minstrel or more in a 6 man group even if its a pug, why is it different when the creeps go x2 defiler x1 WL ?
On a happy note seems like we are getting alot of new players on WW. Hang in there ^^
Many Many times you see a defiler running to safety from a few dps freeps desperatley trying to slow stun nuke the defiler for 30 secs while it retreats to safety ... u never ever see this happen with an rk, they die too fast.
On a happy note seems like we are getting alot of new players on WW. Hang in there ^^
Decent champ, burg, hunter, rk, dps cappy, maybe even op guard kills me in less then30 seconds. And there is NO panic button for defilers like dwarfs endurance for dwarf rk for example. And defilers heals while running are lame tbh.
Only for you guys i made some testings about defiler heals
If i heal with all possible one target (tested on me) i do between 600-700 HPS = can be negated by one dps class
If i have to run and can use only "running" heals i do between 250-300 HPS = easily overdpsed (notice: i need half minute to heal 7.5k imilhirs EC devastate)
About new guys on WW, i hope freeps wont slaughter baby reavers and other classes in moors, please give them some fight but dont farm them
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Lutz ... You bringing maths into it is not fair , Im too lazy to check But when I see a defiler with numerous hots I know that it is healing for more than you say. My burglar is capable of incredible damage yet when the defiler starts running they are very hard to kill.
I also hope the rank zero reavers are not farmed out of the game before they have a chance, you better ask Baz to stop farming them on his burglar (as I was reliably informed he was doing this morning). Just another example of one rule for Baz , a totally different rule for everyone else ^^
Its comical actually, while ridiculous and pathetic at the same time. I know you love that word
Comparing rks to defilers? Go to OC in gilrain and you will see one rk pulling all OC+tyrant+loads of creeps without dropping full health and tanking it all almost 1 minute.
Now do it on a defiler :s
"Good" thing about withy is there isnt this type of players making the creep-freep balance apparently even.
I do hope a portion of the new players get VIP and end up playing freep to. else well have an amy of r0 reavers worthy of sauron. But they will just kill slugs all day :P. From the literraly hundreds of newbies maybe half will stay in the game, and from them maybe a third (just wild guessing here) might end up buying vip. And from those maybe a part will endulge in PvP. Wonder what the math will end up in reality
Lutz ... You bringing maths into it is not fair , Im too lazy to check But when I see a defiler with numerous hots I know that it is healing for more than you say. My burglar is capable of incredible damage yet when the defiler starts running they are very hard to kill.
I also hope the rank zero reavers are not farmed out of the game before they have a chance, you better ask Baz to stop farming them on his burglar (as I was reliably informed he was doing this morning). Just another example of one rule for Baz , a totally different rule for everyone else ^^
Its comical actually, while ridiculous and pathetic at the same time. I know you love that word
Originally Posted by Gettafix
If freeps made a x2 minstrel x1 cappy 6 man group Im sure it would also be very strong but they dont. Creeps also say its lame when freeps have x2 minstrel or more in a 6 man group even if its a pug, why is it different when the creeps go x2 defiler x1 WL ?
They do.. And it is different cause the dps of creeps is almost non existent compared to the huge dps freepside that creephealers have to put up with,the tiny bit more morale is not really relevant when freeps have skills that have either 100% or close to 100% crit/devchance and hit you for about half of your total Morale with them.
But you go ahead,keep thinking it is the same..
Go read the thread about Heal disparity creep/freep on the pvmp forums.... Max HPS on a highrank defiler (wich we have none of on WW either),in the best situation possible witout getting interrupted! solo is about 850 HPS,in a 6man grp,with all 6 in range of efflorescence was 1200. In actual combat that would be way lower...
And,yes reliably informed by someone,that came 2 seconds too late to kill that r0 himself damn huh? I killed a total of 4 lowranks this morning..
One was a defiler btw,wasnt hard to kill even with those OP heals that u seem to see all the time :3
I killed not a single one twice so you cant say i farmed anyone,but ofc you had to try ^.^,even tho i had the chance to really farm them,as i was running around there for some time,and saw many interesting things,like a low rating spider getting killed without resistance by his own kinleader...
Since im not online lately, so i didnt see much of changes, ill ask here few questions.
1.Spider name Baz?
2.Did Lantclub also left withy pvmp and now at Laurelin?
3.Am i only one laughing on getta (incredible dmg of his burg, still cant kill defiler)
4.Who in here realize that new players are lvl1-20 and will need 90days + to get gear and lvl85 to even join us in moors.
5.In the mean time somewhere at EC, 3 wargs standing and spider typing his orders how to take down AN - hohoho
The site for infamy/renown gain dont work again so i can't check, but i will soon, didnt check it for a week, im sure there is loads of new easy ren/inf gainers on that list.
I was told you killed rank zeros, Lutz was asking everyone not to killl rank zeros. You said before you dont kill rank zeros but admitted this time you did but you always attack me for killing rank zeros, even though I often let them escape.
Anything else to do with spiders or anything you wre talking about I know nothing of.
Last few days group of 2-5 players are camping near Grams, and killing r0 creeps near Slugs. At least I hope they have fun doing that .
Thats a good reason to flame and burn them for witchery. Much better than clubbing. Anyhow i found out that today creeps went all berserk on freeps. Maybe they are making ettens safe for abbies to get the hang of it LOL.
But really camping Grams when surely thers an influx of people who have just found out that clicking on a skill makes it happen is pretty much the lowerst thing you can do these days. Make pics and hit em with the custard pie of forum trolling.
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and at the end i equipped myself even a GR bauble , worked perfectly, in spar^^
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