Yup thanks all guys for quiet long fights Since freeps had 2 healers and we had only Elasto i decided log defiler to make 2 healers on our side for a change. It's worked and changed fights ^^ Not only freep group but also creep group has to be balanced with all those different classes as each has something certain to do during the fights.
It was only sad for me that our 2 reavers ( after 3 when i brought Ash back ) couldn't do more dps than Lai rk or Thekid minstrel heals. I guess atm reavers dps sucks and my warg rank 6 has better dps than my reaver I really hope Turbine will something improve with reaver dps. I will not blame any freeps for that becouse it's not their fault, its just Turbine who trying improve some freep classes more and more and forgeting about creepies. I only hope RoR wont breake even more balance in PvP. I don't know if war horses will be available for freeps in etten but i wonder what gear and how many more virtues levels freep players will get.
Anyways seriously if we only want ( like last night ) we can have nice pvp in etten even between small groups ... only if we want
The key to good PvP is to make sure groups are balanced (not only freep vs creep but also inside each group). Thats why i think its ok to switch a little before the fights warm up since it may take a bit before the smaller group gets reinforcements, then it may get to many etc etc. And also not to hurry and leave when things go bad. If the group youre fighting with is nice for sure someone is already switching to help. I know at least me and Feomalo do it. Probably more but i dont know their creep alts.
And yes yesterday was so fun, i think both groups got many points, sometimes more for creeps sometimes more for freeps. I found my favorite place for hunter to pre pew when you guyz try and pass into TA but unfortunately wargies found it to (Boshal youre a bad puppy bad bad bad to nom nom on a poor elf hunter). I dont even think i was killed by anything else but wargs in so many places i lost count. But i got them too (thank god for hunter track :P).
I was offline for this days , but that what i have read and heard makes me happy . We got good fights! Keep the good work up! =)
Landro ? u tryed yet hunter and guard duo ? ^^ this is awesome =)
take care all!
Tried the hunter + warden duo. Warg came nuked me then ran :P. Then i tried hunter + champ duo. Warg came, nuked me and ran. Then i tried hunter + minstrel duo. Warg came nuked both and ran :P. Lesson learned: track and charge to them it scares them bigtime. A problem is when you are in combat or when there are 3 wargs.
And on this note i wish to announce that Boshal has a crush on Landrovas (since poor elf cant even stroll in the woods without feeling followed by a bad puppy). As frustrating as it is i understand that is the game wargs play...but do please at least let me return to the battlefield without a bodyguard O.o.
Hey Landro! Where was that group of yours today? xD i just saw bunch of npcs, hehe. The only problem i had with your tactic that you turned your back and ran to gy. That never turns out well on freep or creep side. Especially if the heals is first to go.:/
That happened with the freep raid yesterday evening aswell in TA when you come to taunt us. Except the healer turned around last and then we killed the whole raid bit by bit in to EC.
So to conclude it's really best to stay while 3/4 of the raid are still up. Start running when all the heals are dead or stay there and fight with honor. Same goes for my fellow creepies (and for god sake don't run away from heal range...it really gets me ticked).
P.S.(oh, and this post wasn't meant as anything offensive to anyone. Just taunting landro a bit since he said that he'll bring a group to fight 5 vs. 5)
That happened with the freep raid yesterday evening aswell in TA when you come to taunt us
We came mount up so as u could see how many we were (10-12) and come out.. we didn't came to taunt you..
You decided to gank us while we tried to communicate and the pvp night ended there for me..
Hope u had nice fights after that..
Hehe, kinda gives the impression if the first ones in line are on foot that you'll charge us. couldn't see more from the stairs. But battle preperations are a huge part of it. Best to do that on the lawn next time. We feel threatened when you came into our horizon inside our keep. But perhaps next time don't despair so fast. We just regrouped on the stairs when you came and we had 12 or 14 there. We'd come out anyhow since we had a solid group.
It's not a matter of despair that's why we stay over 1.30 hour in ''farming conditions'' at TR..
Personally when i see ''ganking mode'' while we are trying to communicate with the other side for open fights i log.. I m sure that some of the 12-14 of you understood that we were trying to communicate although all came for ganking.. Anyway u ve made your choice, we ve made ours and we saw the results.. Next time we ll be more carefull (we ll wait at stab) because this is not the first time that happens..
Nothing personall with u m8, just wanted to mention that we weren't taunting at you.. cu on battlefields..
I've yet to enter the 'Moors' With my Freep but do have a Rank 6 Warg there.
My observations have been that more people would stay in the 'Moors' after they have first tried it--IF their initial experiance had not been to be on the receiving end of what can only be described as utter rudeness by more established CREEPS.
Not all newer players to the 'Moors' will understand re 'ninja'ing' a keep etc.
So when they find themselves 'kicked' from a raid because they've hit an npc and they are begging in OOC to be let back in and they are just ignored or blatantly told to 'sod off' (toned down language from what I have seen) in OOC wont help get more people in the 'Moors'.
Yes some of these established CREEPS are no longer on this server - but if u want to make a difference - be NICE, dont follow in the footsteps of what others have done- it didnt work before and is a recipe for isolating yourself and the 'Moors' again.
Just because you play a CREEP doesnt mean you have to act like one.
It's not a matter of despair that's why we stay over 1.30 hour in ''farming conditions'' at TR..
Yeah, i give you a big round of applause for that. Admirable that you stayed there eventhough we could clean the whole TR. At least we were ungroupped otherwise you'd probably log. Puted myslef on afk for a while then and just watched from a rock how things go till some cheeky warden started throwing spears at me since he couldn't get up to me.XD
Matt, the problem with some just arrived creeps is they don't listen to the leader and wanna do what's in their best interest. If you don't know what leader of the raid meant, ask again and again or PM someone and he will show you/tell you. The whole thing that i dislike is when I know there are 8+ freeps around and people just wanna go taking keeps instead of finding the fight. And if i get spammed in chat by r2-5 rvr let's take TA, ID, OP,... it brings confusion to the raid. That's when I pass on lead and rather go solo or find a new group that's willing to go against freeps. Pve is good when the moors are quiet or there are 2 freeps around and 20 creeps. In any other case i'll take pvp anyday. Decent pvp helps you to learn the movement in the raids and what primary RATs are and you're not an easy fodder when you encounter a large group of freeps.
Fighting the dull NPCs in the lieks of CG, An, Rocky is not why i'm in the moors. All that is managable by 3 man gorups and you actually don't need a full raid for that.
I think some freeps feel me on that matter aswell since I tend to see they are sometimes avoiding a direct contact if there are 12 creeps around. The cat&mouse game is fun for a while but it kinda "kills the mood" when you see the orange announcement they took a keep in the other part of a map.
So bottom line is that people should want PvP for the benefits of moors. It doesn't matter if you kill or get killed. Rating isn't a thing you should brag with. Go rather brag with killing blows instead, it's much more fun to comapre how same classes do on nearly same lvls.
It's not a matter of despair that's why we stay over 1.30 hour in ''farming conditions'' at TR..
Personally when i see ''ganking mode'' while we are trying to communicate with the other side for open fights i log.. I m sure that some of the 12-14 of you understood that we were trying to communicate although all came for ganking.. Anyway u ve made your choice, we ve made ours and we saw the results.. Next time we ll be more carefull (we ll wait at stab) because this is not the first time that happens..
Nothing personall with u m8, just wanted to mention that we weren't taunting at you.. cu on battlefields..
M8,at TR no one was grouped,and as you got more we decided to fall back,and make a Raid. I was leading it,and gave order to regroup TA Stairs,there wherent even all there yet,and we saw Freeps coming into TA. While i did hesitate to charge cause i felt you want to say something,but in the end coming into a keep and not wanting a fight/getting attacked is rather unlikely,i am sure that if i had walked towards TR the 1.30 where we where *farming* 90% of you would have attacked me too
Try captain Banners,LM pets. If you send them in first,we get the message.
It's a trap! he just wants you to pull all of TA!!! DON'T DO IT D:
LOL..
So we ll try to find more captains on Moors.. Need them anyway..
I thought that u wanted to fight inside TA because we fought inside TR before..
We came in so as u could see that we didn't have enough numbers to fight against npcs..
Still waiting for the day that turbine will make us able to play skills while we are mounted up..
I have experimented with leading a small freep group and i have to say its hard :P. Especially with no voice and no healer. So then at TR when you creppied saw more NPCs than freeps we were just trying to get a tactic going, trying to group up at TR. And we tried to trick you into fighting in pew pew range from above. Clearly it didnt work. Then chaos ensued since no dps we did could overcome your heals from 4 healer. Then group disbanded only to be recreated 40 min later when fight at TA came (soon i had to leave so no idea what happened next).
Anyhow my advice is to only turn the map (no lug or TR or if you need to for maps/quests let teh other faction take it back, makes the fight speedier) when there is low activity, out of the peak hours. After that make balanced groups and give it a spin. Just dont do a 12 creep raid with 4 healers and 5 solo wargs/burgs and expect for the other faction to fight back with bravery.
And about wargs, we have a good comunitty of high rank wargs. They always go outside raids, its better for em. So when you do a group when you balance with freeps take em into consideration even if not in your group.
Today we witnessed the power of two Defilers......allmighty Lutzgash and his minion Bagalug have smited us down. Probably we could have chosen our fights better but alas we didnt and 2 defilers 2 wargs and a reaver made short work of 9 freeps with not so stelar RAT assistign skills :P . Surely trying to take a keep with them near proved a bad idea twice.
@ Landro Mate u need voice for leading a perfect moors raid yes or basicly a very good , but for leading a normal raid u dont need it. You can pug , but best thing u can do is just /raidshout >>>Landro´s orders<<<
Well i am kinda sad that serbia will transfer will miss him .
Both sides are happy if they have a GY = TR/lug. So why u wanna make creeps/freeps angry for 100 points ?XD
Some months ago i had a situation with some new crepps . They made whole map red , and about 20:00 pm they spammed (OOC) : Bad Freeps took our map xD It is a normal reaction from both sides , that Freeps/Creeps get angry and make the whole map blue/red if along the day they lost GY.
As we have said it's not good for pvp playing to take keep GYs (TR/LUG)..
If one side takes opponent's keep GY, it would be good not to defend it..
Don't forget that 2 freeps (or 1 warden) can take a keep while creeps need a whole raid for it so try to respect this informal agreement..
As we have said it's not good for pvp playing to take keep GYs (TR/LUG)..
If one side takes opponent's keep GY, it would be good not to defend it..
Don't forget that 2 freeps (or 1 warden) can take a keep while creeps need a whole raid for it so try to respect this informal agreement..
There is one reason that freeps should have in thier minds. Creeps will take TR from time to time, especialy if we have some nice number of lowranks. Young creeps need maps, infamy and commendations that quest deeds give. Thats the reason why i took TR yesterday.
@ Landro
Its wierd that we managed outheal dmg from like 6-7 of you, and you guys couldnt outheal 2 wargs and reaver with 3 cappies and 2 minstrels. Yeah and rat was horrible, running trough blights was epic XD, and no solution for flies. Flies killed you guys.
Freeps should take care of flies if creeps have more then 1 defiler, yesterday flies wiped 3 times landros crew, and many times evening raid.
One more thing, this RK guy, Imilhir or how is his name, why mate, oh why do you devastate me with 7.5k epic conclusion trough my 5 audicity? :S You know that god doesnt tolerate that kind of things?
The GOD
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There is one reason that freeps should have in thier minds. Creeps will take TR from time to time, especialy if we have some nice number of lowranks. Young creeps need maps, infamy and commendations that quest deeds give. Thats the reason why i took TR yesterday.
I agree that sometimes u have to take it for delivering quests, but when there's a group (specially a small one) in evening pvp hours it would be could not to defend it.. In this way small group will have a GY and won't log..
About Imilhir.. I suppose God of healing found the God of thunder..
I agree that sometimes u have to take it for delivering quests, but when there's a group (specially a small one) in evening pvp hours it would be could not to defend it.. In this way small group will have a GY and won't log..
About Imilhir.. I suppose God of healing found the God of thunder..
Im GOD, main one, but maybe i can found some desk for him in some of ma offices XD He only needs to change sides
Today we witnessed the power of two Defilers......allmighty Lutzgash and his minion Bagalug have smited us down. Probably we could have chosen our fights better but alas we didnt and 2 defilers 2 wargs and a reaver made short work of 9 freeps with not so stelar RAT assistign skills :P . Surely trying to take a keep with them near proved a bad idea twice.
I will get my revenge, I will
His minion?!HOW DARE YOU??Just kidding
In my opinion it was sad to see 9 freeps failing like that..You should have destroyed us..
It was also sad to see that you kept getting more ppl just because you couldn't kill us.If you can't do it think about what you're doing wrong not just get more ppl..
Oh and did u get your revenge now that u killed me inside oc with 6 other freeps while i was afk?
His minion?!HOW DARE YOU??Just kidding
In my opinion it was sad to see 9 freeps failing like that..You should have destroyed us..
It was also sad to see that you kept getting more ppl just because you couldn't kill us.If you can't do it think about what you're doing wrong not just get more ppl..
Oh and did u get your revenge now that u killed me inside oc with 6 other freeps while i was afk?
Well i really dunno what we did wrong....i can only think it was lack of proper dps. I went out really fast - death by warg - and the champs remained. We had two cappies who did heal but couldnt dps. So whatever target we RATed really did not actually die....but we also had issues at following a rat due to much warg disruption. And im not such a stealer leader :P. But at least we got SOME kills....And if we tried to kill flies wargs killed us. If we tried to kill wargs flies killed us.....its craaaazy
Well i insisted we shouldnt barge into OC like that with only one or two creeps in it. But since you were there i went with the flow. Switched to creep afterwards when it turned into farm fest. I dont find farming fun.
EDIT: lutz is god of Ettens, you cannot be more than his minion. Challenge his position and you will receive offerings of hobbits.
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Well i really dunno what we did wrong....i can only think it was lack of proper dps. I went out really fast - death by warg - and the champs remained. We had two cappies who did heal but couldnt dps. So whatever target we RATed really did not actually die....but we also had issues at following a rat due to much warg disruption. And im not such a stealer leader :P. But at least we got SOME kills....And if we tried to kill flies wargs killed us. If we tried to kill wargs flies killed us.....its craaaazy
Well i insisted we shouldnt barge into OC like that with only one or two creeps in it. But since you were there i went with the flow. Switched to creep afterwards when it turned into farm fest. I dont find farming fun.
EDIT: lutz is god of Ettens, you cannot be more than his minion. Challenge his position and you will receive offerings of hobbits.
Go with the flow and you will soon get called farmer like the freeps you were with.
And ok fair point i'll let lutz be the GOD but i am not his minion!I'm THE NURSE!!!
Go with the flow and you will soon get called farmer like the freeps you were with.
And ok fair point i'll let lutz be the GOD but i am not his minion!I'm THE NURSE!!!
Go with the flow and you will soon get called farmer like the freeps you were with.
And ok fair point i'll let lutz be the GOD but i am not his minion!I'm THE NURSE!!!
I had a bitter taste in my mouth really, never again....
Well you can be like the GODESS! And there balance restored.
Lutz interrupting rezes is really really evil MUHAHAHA. Especially when a group of 3 wants to rez their third :P. Do the math :P
Anyhow i am now oficially afraid to ask for any kind of support on global. I will from now on be asking only people i trust for help in ettens until i receive proof that people are willing to support sustainable PvMP.
I had a bitter taste in my mouth really, never again....
Well you can be like the GODESS! And there balance restored.
Hmmm, i really need ome secretary, she can be perfect one.
Originally Posted by Landrovas
Lutz interrupting rezes is really really evil MUHAHAHA. Especially when a group of 3 wants to rez their third :P. Do the math :P
Lets do the math: You guys died several times in and around EC. I come and see borgost dead. 4 wargs and reaver arond me.
3 of you dont have any chance. I prevented you in rez. = I saved borgost from one death and was foling around.
Originally Posted by Landrovas
Anyhow i am now oficially afraid to ask for any kind of support on global. I will from now on be asking only people i trust for help in ettens until i receive proof that people are willing to support sustainable PvMP.
What happened? Its really nice if someone cares abou pvmp. Problem is if you are loosing and have more freeps then creeps, and then calling for more. What you guys should do is, regroup, talk what what was wrong or right, and try to do something else,
Well Landro you can always ask me for help in the moors with fights. Only 1 problem I found with cappy in the moors is when Im traited for heals I can be killed fast and dont have much damage ( I am a bit new to the moors ), so each time I go to moors I go DPS ( also geared for it ) and we will see a different fight against any close numbered fight
Lets do the math: You guys died several times in and around EC. I come and see borgost dead. 4 wargs and reaver arond me.
3 of you dont have any chance. I prevented you in rez. = I saved borgost from one death and was foling around.
Well thats a point of view i didnt think about :P. Anyhow we were just about to log off.
Originally Posted by Iluvatardd
What happened? Its really nice if someone cares abou pvmp. Problem is if you are loosing and have more freeps then creeps, and then calling for more. What you guys should do is, regroup, talk what what was wrong or right, and try to do something else,
Well the usual happened: more freeps that creeps, freeps farming creeps big time. I decide to switch to creep to help, but my rank 6 reaver is not of much help alone. Obviously nobody else from freep wanted to bring their creep to balance out. So before i loged i asked in global if anyone else could bring their creeps to have fun fights not just farming and hugging OC.
And what do you know, freeps start poping out. One after the other. And to make things worse there were originaly 3 minnies in that group and out of the blue when word came on global that creeps need help Plough decided to "help" by raising the number of minnies to 4. Needles to say creeps logged off and freeps could make a party in ettens alone (btw the map was turned blue just before that by who else than Plough).
As i said on global: if I can switch to my creep/freep when it is needed so why cant others do the same? Ive heard dum excuses that they dont want to die.....my rating is under 900 on all chars and i have much more fun that 4 star players.
There's a basic rule..
If u want freeps to log shout that u need creeps at glob and if u want creeps to log shout that u need freeps..
My personal view is not to change side from freep to creep or from creep to freep during fights..
It's better to decide: ''today i ll play my freep or today i ll play my creep''.
Unfortunatelly most of the players change sides for taking advantage or for spying the enemy..
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Since freeps had 2 healers and we had only Elasto i decided log defiler to make 2 healers on our side for a change. It's worked and changed fights ^^ Not only freep group but also creep group has to be balanced with all those different classes as each has something certain to do during the fights. 
I really hope Turbine will something improve with reaver dps. I will not blame any freeps for that becouse it's not their fault, its just Turbine who trying improve some freep classes more and more and forgeting about creepies. I only hope RoR wont breake even more balance in PvP. I don't know if war horses will be available for freeps in etten but i wonder what gear and how many more virtues levels freep players will get. 
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