Thread: PvMP and other unimportant stuff !

Originally Posted by Vandervahn

Ah yeah, it is totally required to bring kinships into this -.-


Those "times" were ended, earlier Zrinko-based flamewars aside, when a certain clique of drama queens started to act as the moral authority. Calling people out for perceived bad behaviour and highly popularizing the smallest incidents that the other side saw differently or wasnt even aware of. Sometimes an opportunistic gank is just that, a spade is just a spade, a clubbing session just for a piece of PvE gear, and not the great conspiracy to bring down PvMP on Withywindle.

Pot, meet kettle. Dont lament a development that YOU were instrumental in.

If you´d all stop with your constant high-concept whining and start talking about the actual action, whatever there is left of it because of mostly Turbines and not the players´ fault, you can have those times back easily.

So clubbing is ok when its for PvE? /facepalm
I could easily say exploiting is just to get gear aswell. And yes the saruman exploit was not bannable,so tecnically the same as clubbing. Yet i saw you more then once complain about it. You called stacking burglars *unsportsmanlike* While i just wanted to do it for a pve gearpiece.. Hypocrite much there Mister?

Even if just for a pve piece,it does influence the pvmp,even if just the moral/enthusiasm of players. Even you should know that.

However the people,wich you call drama Queens,making it fun,had the same oppinions overall,some spoke about it,others didnt openly,wich is why we ended up in the same kin`s and tribes.
We said all those things,so ppl would pay attention,get aware of and not ruin those fun times,they didnt care and kept doing it. Making pvmp fail and most of us left at some point.
We all wanted the same good pvp,and we knew that unless people would pay attention to what they do it will fail. Sorry that we tried to make ppl aware of it. A really bad move from us i know.

Decide for yourself wich pvmp was better,ours back thenor this now

Those Times wont come back,the people that where the driving forces (and im gonna be a little cocky now,where the bunch of ppl i spent the last few months,pre them leaving,playing with) left the server/game. There might be a few that left cause of us telling them what shouldnt be done if they want good pvmp,or the forum banter,but most of them wherent doing the pvmp any good anyway.

So your Point is flawed there,ofc you will disagree.

Call it whatever you want,you defend clubbers,you defended and followed people that compare others to Nazis,make insulting videos full of lies,and grief them ingame,yes i do remember... In the end,you aint any better then me then i suppose,yet you aswell come here talking like you are. Funny how that works both sides huh?

P.S. You cannot blame Turbine for everything,we still decide for ourselves if we play freep/creep or if we gank someone in a spar,zerg only with 10v1,if a person decided to add more to the already winning side instead of helping the weak side. Sorry if i bursted your Bubble there. That is not at all Turbine`s fault. Go ahead disagree again.

Originally Posted by Vandervahn

Ah yeah, it is totally required to bring kinships into this -.-

Wrong. Kinships should be brought into discussion because they are the only that can put a stop to this. When Pandalf was in DI and he told us that he clubbed we didn t kicked him but the treatment he got from us, from that point on made him leave the kin in less then a week. All the kins should do the same.

Those "times" were ended, earlier Zrinko-based flamewars aside, when a certain clique of drama queens started to act as the moral authority. Calling people out for perceived bad behaviour and highly popularizing the smallest incidents that the other side saw differently or wasnt even aware of. Sometimes an opportunistic gank is just that, a spade is just a spade, a clubbing session just for a piece of PvE gear, and not the great conspiracy to bring down PvMP on Withywindle.

Pot, meet kettle. Dont lament a development that YOU were instrumental in.

If you´d all stop with your constant high-concept whining and start talking about the actual action, whatever there is left of it because of mostly Turbines and not the players´ fault, you can have those times back easily.

You can t have those times back because you don t have the same players around. This server didn t die because people are fighting on forums or some players are clubbing. It died when II left the server. At that point our server went brain dead, and it only got worst when Myrmydons stop showing up, the good creeps left the server and now the old DOH players have left the server or stop playing. Even you Pony were at one point making raids on withy, where are you now?. This server will never recover. I bet that in the next month the creeps that are decent right now in ettens will jump ship as well.

P.S. By the time i wrought my little post Baz made those 2 huge post above mine( talking about slow type/thinking ^^ ) but kinda agrees with what i wrought here

Originally Posted by dreamer17

NEw clubber!

First the correct abreviation is LotR Kin (Legends of THE Rohirrim). Secondly if the PvMP people wish to penalise him go ahead. We as a kin dont have any rules for ettens except not being rude to others. When i see him online i will explain how it can be seen with bad eyes. But to be honest ive rarely seen him online lately so i suspect he has real life stuff to do. It may even be a bug from that website to be honest, its rather strange since he appears twice even.

And stop being such dramatic clubbing police-officers its getting old. Better bring your creeps to the scene and make more action happen to balance the total OPness of freeps.

Originally Posted by Landrovas

First the correct abreviation is LotR Kin (Legends of THE Rohirrim). Secondly if the PvMP people wish to penalise him go ahead. We as a kin dont have any rules for ettens except not being rude to others. When i see him online i will explain how it can be seen with bad eyes. But to be honest ive rarely seen him online lately so i suspect he has real life stuff to do. It may even be a bug from that website to be honest, its rather strange since he appears twice even.

And stop being such dramatic clubbing police-officers its getting old. Better bring your creeps to the scene and make more action happen to balance the total OPness of freeps.

Just to clear the appearing twice thing up : that happens when the Daily stat page updates,for a short time you can see the 2 past days stats mixed in there,but if you click on his name you see 1 is from the 6th June,and one from the 7th June.

Clubbing,honestly while i still dont like it,i gave up ^.^ withy is clubbers paradise,no where else i have been so far,it is as socially accepted as here.

Im not defending Pony, because it's not like we have anything in common since long time ago, but, he did not ''follow me'' as we had pug raids of people that raided moors together, and at the time he was one of many people in raid, and most of time, he also acted as he thought it fits him, not acted as i said him to do, so he was not ''blind follower'' as you mentioned above. Just a correction in that post. About him leading raids, i was not part of that, since i started to roll creep at that time.


Now, the user 2posts above my post i must mention AGAIN, is not a pvmp player on WW, so i have nothing to add on that post. Mr.LOTR member, should not post in something he never participate. Leave it for discussion for players that from time-to-time or active play in moors on WW.


And, guardian who did 17k for shield, is active, he was in my warg raid the other day aswell as he play active snowy moors, not withy. When i see him in raid again ill ask him for real reasons to get 17k renown since last time we played together he mentioned he left withy moors behind in similar way as i did.

And yes, Kins should act on behaviour of kinmate, pvmp or pve wise, it's same as same people play all content.

P.S He made 21k pts in 24h period btw. Not 17k

Originally Posted by TheKid111

P.S. By the time i wrought my little post Baz made those 2 huge post above mine( talking about slow type/thinking ^^ ) but kinda agrees with what i wrought here

Lol,no worries m8.I should prolly think more since even if i speak the truth it upsets ppl
And yes,i agree

Edit : btw ileri it hurts that you think i dont play fair. I spared you while handicapping myself the other day,and in the last spar upon winning w/o selfheals i killed myself after. Shame that you think like that,guess i wont bother with that then next time.

Originally Posted by Cillion

So clubbing is ok when its for PvE? /facepalm
I could easily say exploiting is just to get gear aswell. And yes the saruman exploit was not bannable,so tecnically the same as clubbing. Yet i saw you more then once complain about it. You called stacking burglars *unsportsmanlike* While i just wanted to do it for a pve gearpiece.. Hypocrite much there Mister?

Even if just for a pve piece,it does influence the pvmp,even if just the moral/enthusiasm of players. Even you should know that. ...

It only gets to people if you decide to make an issue of it.
If you decide to recreate months old statements by me, at least recreate them accurately. I said that exploiting Saruman doesnt hurt anyone (in a relevant way). But then entering the inofficial world first competition with exploited runs, as some groups did, forfeited their purpose. That was what I said. Besides, it was mostly meant as a little trolling against Ky**e who was starting the whole topic, and he and some of his crew totally fell for it. Gives me a warm fuzzy feeling now that you bring it up again.

Wether I feel something is unsportsmanlike or not is not relevant to anyone outside my own head. I say it and I am done with it. If you want to compare that to the months long totally overblown hunt for clubbers (which predates Audacity gear by a long shot, so you cant argue it started because it would give people a meaningful advantage), you´re grasping at straws. On a sidenote, many people including myself dont feel the need to put a "lol" or stupid emoticon into each of their writings. Doesnt mean everything is intended as a gravelly serious statement.

I considered getting some of the new Ettens pieces for my Captain, because it boosts certain PvE performance by quite a lot. I decided against it. Now if, just IF, I had clubbed myself to get the commendations, please outline how this in ANY WAY would have interfered with anyone else in the Ettenmoors. You cant, unless you leave the bounds of reason.

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We said all those things,so ppl would pay attention,get aware of and not ruin those fun times,they didnt care and kept doing it. <more werdz>...

So you basically agree that you started it, and all your posturing and witchhunt achieved nothing except souring the mood? Noted.

Ileris "Godfather" moniker for you is curiously fitting in a different way: the Corleones´ attempts to control situations they cannot control, and their ruthless enforcement of their own twisted morality, ends in destruction, death and misery for all involved. I just found that funny in this context.

Call it whatever you want,you defend clubbers,you defended and followed people that compare others to Nazis,make insulting videos full of lies,and grief them ingame,yes i do remember... In the end,you aint any better then me then i suppose,yet you aswell come here talking like you are. Funny how that works both sides huh?

I dont defend clubbers, I say when I think people are not staying reasonable or factual. Since it appears you have a problem with all three, I wont hold it against you that you dont understand the difference.

I never defended the other person you mention for their beef with others and some boastful insult videos full of inaccuracies and outright lies. It was simply not my business. The reason is that I mostly dont care about "He said-she said", and I dont care if my digital Barbie or anyone elses´ is being trolled on the interwebs. To me and the others that ran in that group, he was always correct. Instead, I commended him for tirelessly bringing people into the moors and being willing to group with and lead everyone regardless of ability or character. At that time, he WAS the only one that did this regularly, and it was fun.

And I stopped running with him when I felt that his style and ability of leadership, at that time, were not running parallel to my own opinions. I didnt do it any better myself and never claimed so, mind you. See, you always only have as much conflict as you decide to have.

</forumPvPmode>Oh and since you decide to bring it up, in terms having a comprehensive point here and argueing it, I am so far ahead of you that its like clobbering baby seals - with baby seals </end forumPvPmode>

I´ve said my piece and will exit the stage left now. You can have your inevitable last word on these matters.

Originally Posted by TheKid111

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You can t have those times back because you don t have the same players around. This server didn t die because people are fighting on forums or some players are clubbing. ...Even you Pony were at one point making raids on withy, where are you now?. This server will never recover...

My response was to Cillions claim that he misses those times when people were actively discussing and commending themselves on forums and chat. I agree that the PvP is in a bad spot. I pop in now and then and it reinforces my image. But that wasnt the issue of my post.

I have mainly left the Ettens game because the whole design of PvMP as well as the basic combat system of the game cannot enjoy me for long stretches of time. Other factors are low activity here, running with "faceless" people against "faceless" people on a different server is not my cup of tea, and a bunch of people that feel entitled to tell others how they should play had its part as well.

So you like to troll others without facts,since you dont know if that kill was legit or not.You simply jumped on the : no video no clean kill bandwagon there. Noted - again you aint much better then me then. Just that your more Hypocrite.

I dont even have to leave bounds of reason,lets say you do that and a few with you,then you go and complete ToO t2 due to the setbonuses that you did it for. You say it affects no one,your oppinion. Along with that it is rather demotivating to see people cheat their stuff in weeks wich others work long time for. Lets just say,it does its part to keep people away from moors,just as you say the forum banter etc does,the difference is you can hardly ignore someone that cheated his gear/rank and affecty the gameplay like that,you can safely ignore everything beeing written and said,and care not.

Way to twist my words around. We achieved great battles,wich got ruined by people that didnt care about the big picture,yes they got sour mood as we told them. They decided to not care.

Both sides had fun,as long as they followed some basic guidelines for better pvmp. The only good Battles in Moors with loads of ppl participating,where all done with players that where willing to follow some basic things to make it fun for everyone involved.Then some selfish ppl wanted more Points/less deaths or whatever and decided its time to make things only fun for their own profit. But w/e you dont even care,why did you bother to comment on something you arent part of. Just to say something? well go post in another thread..

Originally Posted by Vandervahn

I dont defend clubbers, I say when I think people are not staying reasonable or factual. Since it appears you have a problem with all three, I wont hold it against you that you dont understand the difference.

I never defended the other person you mention for their beef with others /cut/

It is a fact that clubbing,is affecting pvp,and recently even pve,as i showed you within bounds of reason. I got no problem with facts see. You got a problem with understanding of the bigger Picture and thinking about others?

Yeah,you never defended Z when he tried to reset the Matron when II tried to kill it,twice,after that failed he pulled the little dragons from the eggs,on both sides?? You tried to make us believe it was to help us/done by accident. No one would believe you that challenging and trying to resett a Boss,well trying to,twice,and then pulling adds onto us,is helping in any way or done cause he had no clue.
This,is a fact. But you go ahead and say i got a problem with facts.
I just brought those things up,cause they show that you arent any different from the ppl you judge,just like me eh

Originally Posted by Vandervahn

A bunch of people that feel entitled to tell others how they should play had its part as well.

And im sure more players left cause of bad pvp then of forum banter and a bunch of ppl telling others how they should play. No one ever said : dont come to the Moors you arent allowed to! you,and all others bothered could safely have ignored those bunch of ppl,me included,and kept on making the pvp worse and make the bunch of ppl that tried to advise for better pvp leave,oh wait.. that kinda happend,as a result less action overall.. Dont ever use that as an excuse,its just sad.

The only thing to toss against us there is that the way in wich we did it,was the wrong one. And there i cant disagree,ive been told that already before.
Tho no one would have cared even if it was said in any other way,cause no one of those ppl we talked to cares for anyone else then himself.

Originally Posted by Vandervahn

I´ve said my piece and will exit the stage left now. You can have your inevitable last word on these matters.

Well kinda hard to not answer if your coming here blatantly lying (see the Z/II thing),isnt it

Oh and,im scared now that you said you are ahead of me.. Never knew you see this as a form of pvp,and much to your dislike i have to tell you,i dont. I write here cause i pvmp here,you on the other hand just write to insult or troll me it seems. Wich must be the better reason,who knows.

Since some posters in this thread are delusional enough to consider a game worthy of complicated phylosophical logic and protocolar action i will now proceed into making an official statement based on no official decision whatsoever:

Some said we need to bring za kins into this (probably some sort of international diplomacy subtitute for a rainy boring day dunno). Well i have decided to interphere in this diplomatic conflict like a little UN. So i confronted Tendor ready to scold him (after receiving some quite disturbing mails in my inbox that i would frankly expect to find in my real email inbox from a boss or a head of state). I started PMing him to tell him how wrong and bla bla bla only to find him way more traumatised and sad than I was expecting an evil back-stabbing-cheating-game-breaking-son-of-a-warg person in his position to be (since clearly he MUST e a horrible human being for doing such a horrid action).

What had happened: for some reason he wanted a shield for his guard and thought nobody would be bothered if he got it solo (he doesnt actually use the forums much, didnt even know who Lant was when i brought him into question or the general outrage clubbing ensues). Big mistake. After club police caught him he found himself hated (i mean personally hated) by everybody. Even people who didnt know him.

I procedeed into telling him that what he did is viewed with the uttermost drama by the community. Little should i say he found that out by himself. That my friends is called bullying and usually we dont do that after the age of 10.

Now a bit about the policy of LotR kinship: we belive strongly in a few valors like camaradery, honesty and second chances. So when Tendor told me he regrets making this stupid mistake and promises not to club again i belive him. I dont really know what kinds of persons are the ones that got kicked for clubbing. But since i got a proof of the fact he understands what he did and a promise he wont do it again i see no need for any kind of kinship penalty.

If he had defended his actions and refused to stop then yes he would have been violating our rules and then his actions would have been considered for discussion in the council.

Now being very serious: singleing out a kid for a thing like that and being utterly mean after receiving an apology and .....the words in enlglish eludes me (something like regreting his actions....)... is imature and i cannot find words to describe this kind of obtuze and narrow-minded thinking. Or maybe im flawed in my thinking by my profession....yes make fun of him on forums, poke him and remeber he clubbed but for crying out loud if he tries to make ammends and regrets be human. If he does it again then no excuse really...

Originally Posted by zrinko

Now, the user 2posts above my post i must mention AGAIN, is not a pvmp player on WW, so i have nothing to add on that post. Mr.LOTR member, should not post in something he never participate. Leave it for discussion for players that from time-to-time or active play in moors on WW.

I see you have a bad memory and trouble processing info. Ill help ya:

--- i have a reaver rank 6 with all the hardships of a free creep
--- i have MANY more things to do that play all day, hence you dont get the chance to see me often (this part you have trouble comprehensing)
--- i have recently become vip so ill come more to ettens
--- i am inteligent enough to have an oppinion on something as trivial as the ego-contest zone of a game even if i had no participation in it. human thinking patterns are the same be it in a hospital or a game

Originally Posted by zrinko

And, guardian who did 17k for shield, is active, he was in my warg raid the other day aswell as he play active snowy moors, not withy. When i see him in raid again ill ask him for real reasons to get 17k renown since last time we played together he mentioned he left withy moors behind in similar way as i did.

And yes, Kins should act on behaviour of kinmate, pvmp or pve wise, it's same as same people play all content.

As i have said. He has not logged in for quite a while on WW and he usually uses his LM in ettens. And if he told me he wanted the shield for pve i belive him since no kinnie of mine would need to lie to me. But please do ask him yourself.

I have yet to receive word that his behaviour was in any way out of line. If anyone was offended by him with words or actions please send a mail to me. THAT would be a reason to take action for. Clubbing is hardly a behavioural action. Really now....

Originally Posted by Landrovas

Since some posters in this thread are delusional enough to consider a game worthy of complicated phylosophical logic and protocolar action i will now proceed into making an official statement based on no official decision whatsoever:

Some said we need to bring za kins into this (probably some sort of international diplomacy subtitute for a rainy boring day dunno). Well i have decided to interphere in this diplomatic conflict like a little UN. So i confronted Tendor ready to scold him (after receiving some quite disturbing mails in my inbox that i would frankly expect to find in my real email inbox from a boss or a head of state). I started PMing him to tell him how wrong and bla bla bla only to find him way more traumatised and sad than I was expecting an evil back-stabbing-cheating-game-breaking-son-of-a-warg person in his position to be (since clearly he MUST e a horrible human being for doing such a horrid action).

What had happened: for some reason he wanted a shield for his guard and thought nobody would be bothered if he got it solo (he doesnt actually use the forums much, didnt even know who Lant was when i brought him into question or the general outrage clubbing ensues). Big mistake. After club police caught him he found himself hated (i mean personally hated) by everybody. Even people who didnt know him.

I procedeed into telling him that what he did is viewed with the uttermost drama by the community. Little should i say he found that out by himself. That my friends is called bullying and usually we dont do that after the age of 10.

Now a bit about the policy of LotR kinship: we belive strongly in a few valors like camaradery, honesty and second chances. So when Tendor told me he regrets making this stupid mistake and promises not to club again i belive him. I dont really know what kinds of persons are the ones that got kicked for clubbing. But since i got a proof of the fact he understands what he did and a promise he wont do it again i see no need for any kind of kinship penalty.

If he had defended his actions and refused to stop then yes he would have been violating our rules and then his actions would have been considered for discussion in the council.

Now being very serious: singleing out a kid for a thing like that and being utterly mean after receiving an apology and .....the words in enlglish eludes me (something like regreting his actions....)... is imature and i cannot find words to describe this kind of obtuze and narrow-minded thinking. Or maybe im flawed in my thinking by my profession....yes make fun of him on forums, poke him and remeber he clubbed but for crying out loud if he tries to make ammends and regrets be human. If he does it again then no excuse really...

Very well written im sure your professors are proud.
Now the appology from your kin member
Tendor: GMs can't do anything about it, I do it for the shield, i don't play pvp on this one anyways so i am clubbing to r8 only then i will stop cus then i can barter a shield.
Now read your post againe and tell me how silly it sounds .

This is ridicilous. Bazz is spending his time to write books here, crying that he killed him self after spar that he won, and yet he expected the same from opponent in next one. Grow up baz.On the other side big Z who don't play anymore on WW spending his time to look at other stats.Do you look at whole LOTRO players and post in all worlds? I would say grow up, but you can't so i won't say. Leaving the server anyway.

Let's not talk names and calling out names shall we, pls...If you call others to grow up, why do u insult and do same in your post. No needed as you said, then dont do it.

Who said i dont play pvmp on withy? Im rank8 warg and i have 3x r5 on this server on creep and 1 rank8 on freep side, still all located on Withywindle, until i leave server or game i have rights to discuss in here. Until then im leading raids on Snowbourn and i log from time to time on Withy and it's enough for me. At least i found place where ''action still exist''...Try find one yourself here before u judge and QQ.

Reminder, i had r8 before u even entered moors
Reminder, u asked me what champ should have as traits, when i already was raiding and u was only lvl55 in Moria

So dont judge others, since you are new in here, and your Quest until Ranks or Spars with r0's for Glory is not something you should be proud of and boost yourself by saying others that they should grow up.


Now, leave me out of posts pls.

Hi all
I usually like reading through the forums after logging out, but this just made me sad.
We are playing a game together and want to have fun. So pls make this forum a place where we can seriuosly discuss the pvp on our server and mybe say "Thank you guys for the fun". The last few pages on this forum were mainly personal arguments between a very few players and most ppl probably stopped reading ths thread anyway. Pls, if you have such a problem with each other just ./ignore <name> and leave this forum out of it, as those posts are highly annoying and pretty boring.
Thanks to Haras, Elasto and a few others for posting rellevant stuff in here as well.

Regards Led

Originally Posted by SerbianChamp

This is ridicilous. Bazz is spending his time to write books here, crying that he killed him self after spar that he won, and yet he expected the same from opponent in next one. Grow up baz.On the other side big Z who don't play anymore on WW spending his time to look at other stats.Do you look at whole LOTRO players and post in all worlds? I would say grow up, but you can't so i won't say. Leaving the server anyway.

Cool,way out of context,i suggest you learn to read and understand.

If someone tells me i play unfair,while i kill myself after a self handicapped spar! Wich some all cooldown using Champ like you wont know what it is, that surely is more fair than any of you would ever play. You telling others to grow up,surely shows how mature and grownup you are,you insulted a player on global a month ago,again very grownup.. Yes,i do expect fairnes and respect in a spar as i do give all my opponents there aswell,even those insulting me like Ileri,something that you wont ever have If you dont have a clue,....

Originally Posted by Cillion

Edit : btw ileri it hurts that you think i dont play fair. I spared you while handicapping myself the other day,and in the last spar upon winning w/o selfheals i killed myself after. Shame that you think like that,guess i wont bother with that then next time.

Wow, handicapped... how genereous from yourside... You`ve posted it in OOC, now on forum... next thing youtube? I limit myself for not using most damaging skills and buffs and most of the CC in spars, so should I shout it on every corner?!! Your statement makes me regret for not pressing "Retreat" button quick enough to avoid your points, coz your genereousity stinks now.

And I`m not saying you play unfair - u play like vast majority of ppl in this game. However impression from generally every post of yours is that you are so great and ethically crystal, while game proves you are not different from anybody else:

- when you charge enemy, but then suddenly see a target fighting other opponent or two somewhere nearby, already being low on HP, you immediately jump it for fast kill. Legitimate? Absolutely. Nice and fair? hmm...

- you play (at least for last 3-4 months or so) almost exlusively at times when you have a strong group (either by numbers, or by experience). You dont go if you dont have advantage. Legitimate? Sure. Smart? Absolutely. Nice and balanced fights promoting? Doubt so...

- when you charging outnumbered enemy you select easiest targets first. Legitimate? Sure. Nice and fair? hmm...

Don`t get me wrong, almost everybody does it. And I`m not blaming your playstile. But what really annoys me is that you contineausly blaming your opponents for doing exactly SAME things you do yourself on a regular basis.

And telling ppl after succesfull lenghty farmfest that you don`t want to farm further, plus announcing that no more pvp should be expected that day - sounds pretty bossy talks to me. Also a tone of vast majority of your posts ("Look at me! I`m great vs rest of the crowd is noobish!" directly or indirectly) is a kind of that too. You are talanted player and I do not see much of the reasons for you to promote it so hardly on a forum, ppl already noticed it .

Anyway, I`m sorry for insulting you in OOC y-day, I should hold myself within limits even if i`m angry. But your demagogical talks really drove me crazy.

P.S. Just noticed - 111 looks like a fun number, lol, so I`ll try hard to hold my hands off keyboard furthermore...

Originally Posted by Ileri

lol

Yeah,now,we all know how this went yesterday right?

I tell my raid to not attack you and Baltars when we find you alone there,you go ahead killing 2 creeps that did not fight back.Baltars said thanks,you raged..
We leave you,to go pve while waiting for freeps,you come and attack us wich is all fine,but puts me in a spot where i have to *farm* you,do you expect me to be fair and wait till you killed all of them so its 4v4 at the end? No one would listen to that order... and leave raid asap.

I told the creeps more then once,taking TR isnt good,you gonna blame me for it no matter what,they wanted it for Maps,wich even you as a non creep playing Person should realize are crucial as your Horses,for creeps. I logged to tell you that it wasnt my decision as Leader to do it,and wich the reason was!What do i get in return? A gt.fo!,calling me idiot and saying its on me anyway. After that i was pretty upset,and decided that this evening freeps wont step foot outside glain,and so it was,even tho im surprised 13 random creeps kept 8-9 freeps sitting there not even trying to fight.

Funny that you say i only play when i got a strong group,i got farmed the last couple days by DoH and Myrmidone/RoM/LotR groups together with some r0-5s until i made a group,when suddenly freeps where gone,and the few,including you that where still around got to feel that we aint happy.

What is the not easy target between 3 hunters 1 burg and a LM inside EC,oh wait i know... Marshall AN!

And once more,i never said im the boss,godfather or whatever you call me all the time.

Anyway,i did realize that me telling others whats good/bad right or wrong for better pvp, is a mistake,no one exept me really cares about it.
Creeps always complain about the same things i do,in grp/raid/tribechat but when it comes to tell someone,they all go silent,leaving me alone in saying it,wich made me realize i must be wrong in everything i say. So yeah,

I want to appologize to all the People i upset,insulted,raged at or whatelse i did to them. I am really Sorry and i finnaly realized how wrong i was.

I will try since it is hard for me to ignore such things,to not get involved into it anymore. If i do,just ignore me,wich you should anyway. If we meet on the Battlefield may the better one win,or the one with more ppl behind him

No im not Trolling!

Originally Posted by Cillion

And once more,i never said im the boss,godfather or whatever you call me all the time.
> We all know Lutz is the BOSS!!!!

Anyway,i did realize that me telling others whats good/bad right or wrong for better pvp, is a mistake,no one exept me really cares about it.
> We do care about it!!

Creeps always complain about the same things i do,in grp/raid/tribechat but when it comes to tell someone,they all go silent,leaving me alone in saying it,wich made me realize i must be wrong in everything i say. So yeah,
> Its all about getting along with people and the bigger picture... to many people the truth simply hurts.
Some situations are better met with silence than open conflict ...its human nature. It does not mean you are wrong!!

I want to appologize to all the People i upset,insulted,raged at or whatelse i did to them. I am really Sorry and i finnaly realized how wrong i was.
> Maybe slightly sarcastic, but i also insulted someone last week ... we are all human....

I will try since it is hard for me to ignore such things,to not get involved into it anymore. If i do,just ignore me,wich you should anyway. If we meet on the Battlefield may the better one win,or the one with more ppl behind him
> One of the best players left on the server will never be "ignored!"

No im not Trolling!... >LOL

I wanted to reply as you are feeling isolated in your comments on this forum.
What I will say is don't take things personally, sometime things just dont work out. However ...

After you left a baby spider joined our little PvE group to learn some of the difficulties on creep side..

...Maybe the End of the Beginning?..... we shall see

Originally Posted by zrinko

Reminder, i had r8 before u even entered moors
Reminder, u asked me what champ should have as traits, when i already was raiding and u was only lvl55 in Moria
Now, leave me out of posts pls.

You had r8 and you are still r8, sadly. You were raiding true, and I did asked you true, but you never replyed and said anything to help while i was low lvl then, you were anonimus and you are still, sadly again. When i got stronger and geared up, you was asking me for gear and what is better jewelry remember. Then when none wanted to play with you i was carried you in instances, strated from moria ones and rest, then i leaded you in etten with your guard, remember, because nobody want's you in felow. I was leading you in skirms also, remeber. When i beat hell of you in moor spars you got angry kinda understand frustration after you posted so many trolling videos.

Originally Posted by Cillion

Cool,way out of context,i suggest you learn to read and understand.

You telling others to grow up,surely shows how mature and grownup you are,you insulted a player on global a month ago,again very grownup

Bazz don't pop up past pls, that was one and only time I ever insulted anyone here, and I said that I am sry 1 min after in PM with bagalug. We made things up 1 min after. My ignore list have only 1 player Z.

Is this fail trolololo Serb? Bucket Of Fail photo - Insert here! I choosed to stay R8, Could have been r11 since i was getting 4k a day in raiding, with simple math all my creeps/freeps have total of almost 1 million renown, against your only 100k.....Fail!

Im still better build then yours so i guess you still need to learn and learn and...

Originally Posted by zrinko

Until then im leading raids on Snowbourn.

U mean 24 man warg packs to gank 1 guy then get wiped by 8+ freeps?? Really thought u had changed zrinko, Guess i was wrong.

Originally Posted by zrinko

Is this fail trolololo Serb? Bucket Of Fail photo - Insert here! I choosed to stay R8, Could have been r11 since i was getting 4k a day in raiding, with simple math all my creeps/freeps have total of almost 1 million renown, against your only 100k.....Fail!

Im still better build then yours so i guess you still need to learn and learn and...

Alright, I was trying not to get into this discussion but, all this anti-clubbing propaganda you're screaming - have you forgotten about the period where;

You clubbed?

Lmao.

Now, you'll probably come out with some reply saying that you taught me everything about the game, yes, we were all noobs once, but no, we were not all clubbers once... just that select few who don't know how to play...

Originally Posted by TheKid111

Very well written im sure your professors are proud.
Now the appology from your kin member
Tendor: GMs can't do anything about it, I do it for the shield, i don't play pvp on this one anyways so i am clubbing to r8 only then i will stop cus then i can barter a shield.
Now read your post againe and tell me how silly it sounds .

He apolagised to me for puting the kin in the forums like this. I did not even ask for it and yet he did it (showing more normality than most people on this server). He has really no reason to be apolagising to Dream, you or anyone. At most stop clubbing and contribute to the pvp in a constructive way. And what both you and dream repeteatdly repost without his permission is just repeating the very benign reason he did it for. He did do a wrong thing but being narrow minded and promoting mean and uncompasionate behaviour in a game by branding a person as bad and cheater with no right to make ammends goes against the very reason people play games. If a friend of yours cheats at poker night i assume you dont break all ties with him for ever do you?

Landro mate , i respect your opinion .

Problem? Yes ! pvp Players on our server will AND WONT stop mocking players like tendor .
When codemasters was in the game , your little friend would just get a ban , no matter if he is VIp or not!
Take an Example of King of clubbing Lant. He will get corpse jumpsed / mocked everytime he will be seen in ettens. Sorry but this counts also for Tendor. I do not care if he did it for the shield or for whatever. IT IS a negative behaviour ! IT IS a official CHEAT!
It was , It is , and it will be reason for pvp players to mock Clubbers . Most people on our server care about about fun . Me getta , bazz ignore just players calling us ,,Nerd police´´ or whatever. The kin should act on this mate.

Answering your citate from before : it can be a bug .

It cant be! The site is informative and very smart . Its has ,,safe ´´ system mate . Even if the numbers are wrong , The Diagram will show the right stats.

Mate it is like i would log a lvl 65 freep and u would kill me just for commendations . Would be your excuse : I was just clubbing to fram quick coms and get Aud gear for freep/creep?! No it wouldnt . Its just a cheat and it will be.

Pleas my friend , dont defend Tendor , he is getting just what he deserves.

Originally Posted by zrinko

Is this fail trolololo Serb? Bucket Of Fail photo - Insert here! I choosed to stay R8, Could have been r11 since i was getting 4k a day in raiding, with simple math all my creeps/freeps have total of almost 1 million renown, against your only 100k.....Fail!

Im still better build then yours so i guess you still need to learn and learn and...

Imo Z you can't get any renown at WW only small amount for pveing or leaching keeps cause none is felowing you. You said your self nobody want to heal you in creep side, on freep side mate I think you are affraid to log in. You remember some night ago big fight at TA bridge you came and you lasted few sec only case you are 1st to be target as rat when ever you shown up. You died and nobody seen you that night. Epic fail. Ye forgot to mention was some spars near OC and after freep killed creep, you jumped and killed that warden who was barelly on 1k morale. That is renown you are talking aboute?
Aboute your build, LOL you can gear up what ever you have and you still can't solo for example STH t2, and not to mention some harder things like foundry 1st boss...etc

Originally Posted by Spidex

U mean 24 man warg packs to gank 1 guy then get wiped by 8+ freeps?? Really thought u had changed zrinko, Guess i was wrong.

Epic haha +rep

Originally Posted by dreamer17

Take an Example of King of clubbing Lant. He will get corpse jumpsed / mocked everytime he will be seen in ettens. Sorry but this counts also for Tendor. I do not care if he did it for the shield or for whatever. IT IS a negative behaviour !

The clubbers wont care if they get treated like this,well they got no right to complain about it anyway.

Originally Posted by dreamer17

IT IS a official CHEAT!
The kin should act on this mate.

It is not! Turbine says clearly it is allowed and they wont do anything against it.
If the Kin chooses not to act,it is their thing.


@ Landrovas :

Lol,you do realize that cheating goes against the very reason people play games too right? That is,if this reason for you is Fun.And what fun is it for the not cheating people if they get cheated by someone? Right not much.
If you would just realize this instead of not caring about something that you take little participation in,it might would be a bit more clear why we are upset.

This was in no way meant insulting,teaching,or in any other way harming anyones feelings.

5v10+ fight at 11pm was AMAZING!!! Ty elasto / Ashdur for awesome fights lasting 10mins +! !!!!

Originally Posted by Spidex

5v10+ fight at 11pm was AMAZING!!! Ty elasto / Ashdur for awesome fights lasting 10mins +! !!!!

Thanks for the longest fights I've ever had. Some great healing/teamwork you had there guys.

Originally Posted by Megwen

Thanks for the longest fights I've ever had. Some great healing/teamwork you had there guys.

It was awesome!!And i must say it was pretty hard to keep everyone alive!
Thanks to all the ppl that were there Hope we can do this again sometime!

Originally Posted by Laineth

It was awesome!!And i must say it was pretty hard to keep everyone alive!
Thanks to all the ppl that were there Hope we can do this again sometime!

If we had a good rk things would of been alot easyer tbh.

Originally Posted by Spidex

If we had a good rk things would of been alot easyer tbh.

And those 2 LM`s so bad!

Good Fun guys,thanks all involved

Originally Posted by Spidex

If we had a good rk things would of been alot easyer tbh.

QQ less!You said at the end that we are really good healers!Nab

Originally Posted by Laineth

QQ less!You said at the end that we are really good healers!Nab

Screenshot or it didnt happen!!

Originally Posted by Spidex

Screenshot or it didnt happen!!

I didn't say you typed it :P
You said it in ts


UH HUH

Originally Posted by Spidex

Screenshot or it didnt happen!!

Stop epeening you greedy selfish leecher!

Originally Posted by Spidex

If we had a good rk things would of been alot easyer tbh.

True, 4 freeps who can spam heals, vs 2/3 melee dps, that group was build to own, was fun anyway for the short time i was in.

Originally Posted by Aradvlador

True, 4 freeps who can spam heals, vs 2/3 melee dps, that group was build to own, was fun anyway for the short time i was in.

DISCLAIMER **If i got your post wrong,due to recent events,and im just a little too touchy about ppl saying we completely outgunned the enemy and it was no big deal,i apologize in advance! **



LM can spam heal? Hunter can heal?

Yourself,ashdurbuk,rimshi,bosh al,shoeshine,doglike,siszgar <-- all melee dps. Ash logged Defiler sometimes,and sis left at the end,still leaves 5 melee,2 ranged and 2 heals at the looong fight we had there.

If anyone thinks it was easy or required no great teamwork and communication,go ahead,i am sure our grp is more then willing to repeat this scenario with us on creepside and you on freepside! We are aware that freeps have edge over creeps in the moors,but not every grp of freeps is capable of such stuff,even with the exact same setups,and this hopefully was more fun then if we would have had 10+...


Special thanks to Ileri,that despite of beeing mad at me,joined the group and did an awesome Job!


P.S. To the People finding my post epeening,bragging,godcomplex affected or whatnot,if you think that,not my problem,it was not in any case meant that way.

Originally Posted by Aradvlador

True, 4 freeps who can spam heals, vs 2/3 melee dps, that group was build to own, was fun anyway for the short time i was in.

2/3 melee?Don't think so..You were more and had ranged as well.Was really hard to heal that's why the mini had to switch to heal some times.All those interrupts wouldn't let me do an induction.Not to mention that i have no audacity on rk or even decent gear xD.
Anyways was really fun and i hope all creeps had fun too

Originally Posted by Laineth

2/3 melee?Don't think so..You were more and had ranged as well.Was really hard to heal that's why the mini had to switch to heal some times.All those interrupts wouldn't let me do an induction.Not to mention that i have no audacity on rk or even decent gear xD.
Anyways was really fun and i hope all creeps had fun too

Well our group ranged between 5 and 10 creeps over the evening, mostly around 8 creeps.
Had a bit of a slow start ..thats why we went to ID, however, creeps leaving & joining over evening.

I must say I had a great time & when I was hacked down (usually @ the end) I was quietly chuckling to myself
in a demented Uruk type way ...... Was great fun thx for organising it Frae....

Also Ash was a saviour for us switching between defiler & Reaver made a lot of difference.

Cheers from my side too Was great evening. Thnx for invitation.