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May 15 2012 04:54 PM #41
Re: PvMP and other unimportant stuff !
You are saying you dont have decent heals on your back? And earlier you said Lant is a good healer. ^.^
Anyway,yes Hunters always have been the closest class to know how Creeps feel in terms of beeing *squishy*...
But Hunters also are one of the biggest burst DPS classes in the Moors,deadly for creeps with low audacity/rank,or no gap closing/stealth skills..
You dont kill Hunters and Healers first in a raid cause they are the easiest to kill,you kill them cause if you let them do their thing they are a devastating force against you.
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May 15 2012 05:50 PM #42
PvMP and other unimportant stuff !
Well...
I have observed the situation in general and offered possible solutions to improve it (and basically offered my help for it)... but unfortunately u guys just want to listen to yourself. Sorry that I`ve bothered u with my writing then.
I guess its also pointless to comment the nice and fair action of tonight in TA. U must be proud of yourselves.
So, let it be like it is. I will not give a flying f...k about it anymore... Thats my last month here basically. So good luck in whatever u prefer to do.
/cheersIleri the Bride
Hunter, R12 - Rune-Keeper, R7
Snowbourn // ex-Withywindle
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May 15 2012 06:25 PM #43
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May 15 2012 06:47 PM #44
Re: PvMP and other unimportant stuff !
Well first of all we were trying take TA, but as soon as more freeps arrived we knew we have no chance take TA so:
1) we are leaving and going for other keep
2) freeps wont leave TA so we gonna make some fights and try kill them inside their keep
3) we gona sit and wait until ya will stop hugging TA
4) we are logging off
We chosed "2" and tbh yes we are little proud becouse we were 8 + zrinko warg arround which makes us 9 against 7 of you.
That was very fair fight and since we got on our back a lot of npc and some of us died also we managed kill you guys few times. Sorry we can't just stand infront of TA and goes /afk *here ya go , now freeps can kills us so they gonna be happy*
Anyways after all almost all of us logged off except my puppy warg and you could enjoy your PvE by taking keeps
Noes ! QQ
Geändert von Grachuk (May 15 2012 um 07:11 PM Uhr)
Grachuk (WL), Araistel (LM), Arnkel (CPT).

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May 15 2012 07:26 PM #45
PvMP and other unimportant stuff !
we were actually 4 (Limms was mainly fooling around seems, after few fights got +2, then -1, so totalling to 5). and u were actually more then 9 (with 3 Wls, lol and more ppl joining). We had pretty "limited" chance to fight u in the open, so had to stay keep. But when 1 of your WLs just pulls npcs and runs with them around - its basically an open fight...
Just dissapointed, coz we were ready to go to the open even with our 5, if you would readjust your group structure. You were in a farming mode, but we have stayed and even managed to get few kills through your heals
After u all left, we had nothing else to do other then PVE.
But anyway, it does not matter, as things will not change.
P.S. Not a QQ, so relax.Ileri the Bride
Hunter, R12 - Rune-Keeper, R7
Snowbourn // ex-Withywindle
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May 15 2012 07:44 PM #46
Re: PvMP and other unimportant stuff !
Well as i said in previous post we came not for freeps but for TA as in OOC people were saying there are spars between creeps and freeps so we didnt want be "rude ########" and jump on those freeps so as a ladies and gentlemen we basicly went for a keep. And there ya go, freeps arrived and started shooting at us so there was no point go for CG and trying to take TA with you on our back guys. Yes we wanted make it a little bit "open" so 1 from our wls kited some npc while others could fight with you, and i give you my word , we were only 8 + zrinko warg out of our group.
When we managed kill you guys we decided pull CG and everything went well just someone did reset of him. You got kills we got kills i think its fair enough. Also if you wanted go in open fight with us why you complain about fight in CG room? you had there some npc for help. In open you could say we are in farm mode, so nope we were not in farm mode at TA. Anyway good fights, and that was better than sitting and waiting until something will happend or some will log off. You was defending TA, we were trying take it with huge focus on freeps ofcourse. Thanks for tonight
Sure i did not complain about that you guys doing PvE as creeps logged off. Creeps doing the same when freeps leaving
To make things change both sides must work on it, not only freeps or creeps
Ok "Darling" i feel now more relaxed.
Geändert von Grachuk (May 16 2012 um 09:07 AM Uhr)
Grachuk (WL), Araistel (LM), Arnkel (CPT).

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May 16 2012 04:13 AM #47
PvMP and other unimportant stuff !
Ok then.
We look at some things differently, but thank you for the fights too.Ileri the Bride
Hunter, R12 - Rune-Keeper, R7
Snowbourn // ex-Withywindle
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May 16 2012 08:55 AM #48
Re: PvMP and other unimportant stuff !
As long as we can respect each other and by coming to etten we think more about fun than rating, we can have nice fights
Grachuk (WL), Araistel (LM), Arnkel (CPT).

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May 16 2012 12:17 PM #49
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May 16 2012 04:10 PM #50
Re: PvMP and other unimportant stuff !
What makes this thread really go wrong is when someone who is not into pvmp, not online at Moors more then 1h a month, starts giving advices about it, and taking sides or judging them, that is when you really know server is good to go off.
Please post in topic if you are part of pvmp, if you are not or you not playing here, stay way for good of the thread.
Withywindle: Warg R8 , Champion R8, Guardian R4, WL R5, Reaver R5 - Retired Raid leader
Snowbourn: Warg R6 - Active Raid Leader
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May 16 2012 04:43 PM #51
Re: PvMP and other unimportant stuff !
You didn't put a name of that person(s) who you talk about ... but since i wrote some things in this thread and gave some advices i guess what did you wrote also is about me if i'm not wrong?
Well let me put it that way ... i play on Withy in etten since first day of this server, i'm online every night or every second night, i used to lead creep raids/groups as offten as i could ( not anymore - relaxing ^^ ), i do not switch sides as i don't have even 75lvl freep
, also i do i play on withywindle and laurelin, and i'm a part of PvMp 5 years since Beta of Lotro, i don't judge people here as i respect players no matter freeps/creeps .. Mr Z ... happy enough?
Grachuk (WL), Araistel (LM), Arnkel (CPT).

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May 16 2012 05:15 PM #52
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May 16 2012 05:40 PM #53
AW: PvMP and other unimportant stuff !
Well to summon up we had today very good fights :
Many funny fights with freeps fair gameplay etc . This is how everyday should look like
Have fun , and take care all
Dream
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May 16 2012 05:53 PM #54
Re: AW: PvMP and other unimportant stuff !
Good to hear ! Now that we are gone PvP is going to be better on withywindle,cause all the skilled creeps that kept freeps hugging and killed them cause they knew how to play are gone. All that is left now is newbie* players vs newbie* players...
Few dominant good People ofc are still around there,(waves at the Ninja Wargs,Elasto and the KR guys/girls),but they dont have as much impact as a full grp of veteran players
I wish you the best of Luck in making it work,il be dropping by every now and then to troll some people or to enjoy good fights if u have them..
P.S. Zrinko i really like what you are saying and doing lately,did you sell your acc and is this someone else playing? *<- joke before some hater goes report him !
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May 17 2012 05:10 AM #55
Re: PvMP and other unimportant stuff !
You never know

Anyway, about good fights, i have not seen em' yet lately and even i understand what itwasjustadream saying,....
I dont think a fight in which (happens on OC) where someone like Haras or Carvivor ''sparing'' some rank0-4 and killing him 10 times in a row, and then when i log and see, ask what is going on, that same r0-4 creep says to me,(they spar me) , and on my ''but you cant kill any of them so it's not really a spar'' he said, mind your own business, it doesnt matter if they kill me and i cant kill them. Can be called a good fights on withy.....
I was always against spars and i have always called them cheating/clubbing because it gave individuals a 100-150infamy/renown per kill while others who was not part of those fights was ganked, .....but there is HUGE difference between Gabort sparing Sidewinder and Haras sparing R2 reaver with no audacity against his scrolls,food,buffs,audacity set and all other kind of stuff....
If you really gonna spar someone, make it sure it's (depending on class) rank6+ and if u gonna get wiped 4-5 times in a row, stop sparing him, because it can only make him get 15k like Lant gets, cuz' u aint gonna kill him 6-7th time, if he wiped u 5-6 times in a row, go gear up/skill up or rank up and go back when u do it.
So itwasjustadream, dont say ''we had good fights'' Because it is nothing good in you getting 1 kill and then some OP freep gank 20 lowbies on creep side, only good ''time'' have people with no skill who hugged Npc's when as Bazillion said ''veterans'' was online and now they rule moors, when there is only rank0-6 creeps with no leader around.
And yet, they still rage on me, cuz' i gy gank them, why wouldnt i? At least im not ganking 50times in a row r0 reaver, im ganking full orthanc/audacity set wearing people, and they can't find excuse in those ganking, since creeps dont have gear, they only use skill and their defence depends on rank only actualy.
Withywindle: Warg R8 , Champion R8, Guardian R4, WL R5, Reaver R5 - Retired Raid leader
Snowbourn: Warg R6 - Active Raid Leader
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May 17 2012 09:44 AM #56
Re: PvMP and other unimportant stuff !
I agree that we don t have good fights yet..
Spars should not be organized.. ''only rare late at night if battles have ended''
If i would be at spars i won t provoke any low ranks i ll spar them only if they provoke me
If spars take place often it is like clubbing..
At creepvfreep spars many rules are broken.. (cds,foods, perks,pots, wargs hips, reavers running away, no specific time, even gank from another when u have low morale while sparring) so generally are not fair..
Anyone who wants real spars i m every night at 21st hall with vermin.. join us!
Geändert von jivius (May 17 2012 um 09:59 AM Uhr)

I amar prestar aen.. ''the world has changed..''
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May 17 2012 09:47 AM #57
Re: PvMP and other unimportant stuff !
P.S. i didn t kill anyone 10 times in a row.. At 6 months i m playing i ve been at spars less than 10 times..
Geändert von jivius (May 17 2012 um 10:16 AM Uhr)

I amar prestar aen.. ''the world has changed..''
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May 17 2012 03:26 PM #58
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Agree zrinko , Well to define good fights : Both sides get Points
With good fights i mean that , lets be honest our server is very lame , that we have at least some fights.
and to the topic , yes its useless to spar aud 6 champ when you are a r3 warg ......
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May 18 2012 03:19 AM #59
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May 18 2012 03:20 AM #60
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May 18 2012 03:59 AM #61
Re: PvMP and other unimportant stuff !
M8 i don t know what creep u have but i m almost every day on moors.. U can ask elasto pawjaw hargen mirtaz golmor bagalug tommy (shakuru for previous days) and many others from creep side and every pvp freep from freep side..
The conditions for open fights are not good in our server..
Freeps usually have less numbers and much less heals (+fewer experienced players) so will need to hug..
If creeps have less numbers (only when lug is taken) some will hug oc but most would stay in grams and don t have any fight at all..
Although recently we had some good fights outside west ta and outside tr.. seems u missed them..
Good fights are not take place only in open fields.. If a fight take place outside a keep, both sides takes points and lasts for long is also a good fight..Geändert von jivius (May 18 2012 um 04:16 AM Uhr)

I amar prestar aen.. ''the world has changed..''
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May 18 2012 02:40 PM #62
Re: PvMP and other unimportant stuff !
I am sure you are in the moors daily, but you weren't when commendations was introduced, while I still played on Withywindle.
Discussions in OOC back then were about how you came into the moors with full audacity gear, and still ran away from creeps. To make a long story short, people laughed at you for it. In case if you didn't already know that.
And for your information, freeps are stronger, have more mitigations, do more damage, have higher criticals, have more heals, have more pots, have more virtues, have more regenative food, have mounts, have faster attack speeds, have various damage types, so don't come here and give us that (explict) that freeps must hug NPCS in order to win a battle.
If you think freeps are underwhelmed and not powerful enough compared to creeps, then you are just dillusional.The road to success is always under construction.
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May 18 2012 03:12 PM #63
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May 18 2012 03:17 PM #64
Re: PvMP and other unimportant stuff !
Well i got full audacity gear from the fifth day of update by stones of dof, never hide it.. (i wonder why do u make it such a big matter of discussion, especially now that all have audacity 7..) I needed 20.000 renown to get rank 9 and get old full pvp set when update came and no rank needed.. (that was unfair..)
Still didn t tell me which creep u have but i told u to ask those creeps for having seen me at battles..
Creep ooc is the opposite side so many things would have and will be writen, this is your choice, personally i don't like to write for creeps at ooc or globallff..
Every time u think that i m hugging without reason get at freep channel ims me and i would be happy to exchange our places, i ll go with my warg to creep raid and u can come with your op freep to freep raid and get out..

I amar prestar aen.. ''the world has changed..''
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May 18 2012 05:31 PM #65
Re: PvMP and other unimportant stuff !
Nice one Mr Z. Nice fights is that what we need and that what "some" players want, becouse other half is happy with clubbing and ganking, hugging and spanking
Well i agree with you Mr Z, its sad but true.
Anyways i must say i'm not against spars but those spars must be "fair". I was doing and saw also many spars on 5 servers where i used to play and everything was fine. But what we can call "spar" and what we can call "clubbing" ? I guess most of you know, so i never was and im not and i never will be against "spars".
But as mr Z said killing same rank 0 creep or freep with really bad gear and who tbh dosnt know own class it's not a spar it's just pure farm. I have seen on withy ( i wont say any names as it doesn't matter ) champions and rks with more buffs than i could see on captain ( also some came to spar with some captain buffs lmao ), who were sparring low ranked creeps. Those creeps couldn't even take half of their morale becouse they were killed pretty fast by freep player.
In my opinion a good spar is when 2 experienced players meet and do it but like 2-3 times not 10, or even if 2 unexperienced players doing a spar. Also for that need find a good place in open or so as i saw some players just "hate to lose" so they hide and kite between trees *sighs*
Agreed on 100% , thats why on creep side no gear count ( as we don't have any ) but skills and experience in wise using them against freep opponents.Geändert von Grachuk (May 18 2012 um 05:38 PM Uhr)
Grachuk (WL), Araistel (LM), Arnkel (CPT).

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May 18 2012 09:08 PM #66
Re: PvMP and other unimportant stuff !
Stop the acusing thing of clubing it wont bring anything good ,cut that topic and and get on to bring some good pvmp to this server fighting on forum just brings hate and thats not good recendly we are talking and get better fights on both sides .
stop flaming start playing .
have fun its a game after allGeändert von Pearljamfix (May 18 2012 um 09:11 PM Uhr)

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May 19 2012 04:22 PM #67
Re: PvMP and other unimportant stuff !
Cheers guys for nice fights today early afternoon. Was really nice fighting with freeps withing OC - STAB - TA. The only sad thing was when i made small raid ( 9 creeps ) + pawjaw who was soloing, we had the same almost numbers 10 of us vs 9 of you and after when we managed to kill freeps few times, they didnt want leave TA and fight was at CG room inside TA *sad face*
I do not understand only one thing here. When freeps were waiting for us inside TA, we wanted have some open fights but since we didnt get yoy forced us to run inside and fight with you + TA NPC and when we managed kill you guys, someone logged on creep side and said that we are farming freeps *sighs*
1) Creeps and Freeps want open fights, great idea but after 3 wipes freeps moving inside TA and not leaving.
2) Creeps are forced to: wait for freeps, or charge TA and fight freeps there, or go for PvE or just simply log off.
We decided to show some PvMP and fight inside TA, even when some of us died at CG room none got angry etc.
You had 2 minstrels , rk, 2 captains, 3 champions, guardian. And we had 2 WLs and 1 defiler. So healing on both sides was good enough, just why creeps won in open? i think becouse freeps if im not wrong were soloing or in smal groups. Also some instead fight were runing all the time and hitting different targets instead focus on 1 same target. Perhaps freeps need a raid leader and throught mistakes and wins/loses we can have in future more open fights.
I really think that we didnt deserve to be called "farmers" today. I made creep raid not to farm freeps but to get some decent fights. I'm sorry but creeps can't be responsible for freep mistakes.Grachuk (WL), Araistel (LM), Arnkel (CPT).

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May 19 2012 07:31 PM #68
Re: PvMP and other unimportant stuff !
As early afternoon had not soo good start that evening was really nice. Want to thanks freeps and creeps for nice fights and not using any npc on both sides
we had dead on both sides , and if we could do those kind of fights with more numbers on both sides that would be just perfect
at the begining i was confused who the heck is heaing on freep side from those rks haha but after we found out that sneaky rk
Really enjoyed and seriously huge "+" for freeps to not runing inside TA and for creeps to not runing to NPC on bridge.
Cheers all
P.S Haras ya had some kind of internet connection problems? saw you little lagging thereGeändert von Grachuk (May 19 2012 um 08:30 PM Uhr)
Grachuk (WL), Araistel (LM), Arnkel (CPT).

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May 20 2012 04:32 AM #69
Re: PvMP and other unimportant stuff !
Unfortunatelly i had connections problems although i stayed as much i could.. I think west ta open is the best place for fights if freeps own ta..

I amar prestar aen.. ''the world has changed..''
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May 21 2012 03:06 AM #70
PvMP and other unimportant stuff !
Thank you Aghi, Elasto, Ash and from earlier afternoon Riverstalker for a nice session of spars we had yesterday.
P.S. About OP-ness of some classes - yesterday have discovered a superior creep class - "undying low rank WL" was standing in the Lugz corridor and entire freep raid could not harm him even for a single hit-point while dpsing him for several minutes in a raw
(npcs managed to respawn twice). Some kind of new skill? 
He was not doing any harm to us tho, otherwise it would be completely funny
Ileri the Bride
Hunter, R12 - Rune-Keeper, R7
Snowbourn // ex-Withywindle
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May 21 2012 03:45 AM #71
Re: PvMP and other unimportant stuff !
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May 21 2012 03:45 AM #72
Re: PvMP and other unimportant stuff !
So that freeps can run inside TA immediately when they get hit once? And then farm creeps coming from spawn?
Try finding a location where there is an equal distance from spawn to spawn, and as far away from NPC's as possible.
Examples:
fighting at LC HS, regardless of who owns TR.
fighting at TA 3, regardless of who owns TR.
fighting at OC ford, if creeps own Lugz.
fighting at xroads if creeps own TR.The road to success is always under construction.
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May 21 2012 05:56 AM #73
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lol
p.1. I dont recall I was talking to you, "dude".
p.2. The main point of my post was to say Thank You to the yesterday`s opponents of mine; but ofc u pick up things you can be negative about, right?
p.3. Yeah, I`ve seen it for the first time (less then 1 year in this PvP field and this is my 1st on-line game). Mock me for this as well?Ileri the Bride
Hunter, R12 - Rune-Keeper, R7
Snowbourn // ex-Withywindle
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May 21 2012 05:59 AM #74
Re: PvMP and other unimportant stuff !
For balanced open fights cows and crossroads are good battlefields, although the history has shown that west ta open has given nice long battles (lug gy near + qroom for regroup) if the one side is stronger as usual..

I amar prestar aen.. ''the world has changed..''
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May 21 2012 09:17 AM #75
Re: PvMP and other unimportant stuff !
Did we had 2WL's? can only remember max 1, nearly sure we had 2 Defilers instead.
And a tip for freeps you don't always need Burg/hunters for scouting, using your eyes is also helpfull. 1 time we have been laughing for what will it be 20-30 seconds before we charged as noone (mayby serbian only?) noticed us standing there easily to be seen from your positions.
Another time thanks for leading us there Grachuk
and respect for most of the freeps i expected much more crying about that afternoon

Snakeryder R6 BA
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May 21 2012 10:02 AM #76
Re: PvMP and other unimportant stuff !
I was going to write some detailed explanations but I gave up. Instead you can have some cliches!!
Mine is not to reason why... mine is to DO or DIE!!
Cry havok and let loose the dogs of war!!!!
Fortes Fortuna Aduviat!!!Strepsils,Fango, Morgothel.

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May 21 2012 11:26 AM #77
Re: PvMP and other unimportant stuff !
We had 2 defilers indeed,no WL i think.. As Grach left,i told u guys we gonna do some epic stuff and then il disband,we stood outside west TA gate for half a minute,with freeps not seeing us,running towards the Bridge,we came in from the side,and it was a bloodbath xD
@ My dear Friend Ileri,i was in no way mocking you,just explaining what you encountered.. It was not negative or insulting.. And,sry that i called you darling.. I will use a more proper word next time i promise!
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May 21 2012 06:58 PM #78
Re: PvMP and other unimportant stuff !
We had some nice fihts again this evening 6 vs. 6. It was fun all, i really enjoyed. Even the spars were nice allthough i only won 1 out of 4 (bloody 5k rk crits XD)
. The WW moors are improving i think at least that's my opinion for the past week and a half. Both sides are trying their best which is good. 
Cya all on the battelfield!
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May 22 2012 03:41 AM #79
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/bow Aghi
When we act with some degree of respect to each other, we can achieve a lot of nice things
Really fun and challenge to hit through 3 WL
, but was nice.
/bow Boshal (sry if misspelled)
You are a madhead warg m8!!! Despite so many deaths, always closest to the enemy and not running away on hit. I feel bad for targeting you frequently
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/hail Ash
Epic skin!!! you look like a tru servant of Saruman now
/cheers to other creeps of yesterday battlefield and thanks for another session of spars later on.
P.S. If you see freeps outnumbering and locking you into OC, dont be shy to just walk (not run) out up the hill for some spars (as its the only way keep some action going untill u gain proper numbers). No1 should touch you (at least if I`m there, I`ll do my best to prevent it). Or log your freep for a minute and describe your situation/intentions to the other side (not always your opponent can figure out that you`ve lost numbers due to whatever reason). It helps most of time.
"Dear" and "Friend" are good when there is some respect in between, but its not a case with you. So would be cool not to see it coming out of your keyboard in future. Ty in advance.Geändert von Ileri (May 22 2012 um 03:49 AM Uhr)
Ileri the Bride
Hunter, R12 - Rune-Keeper, R7
Snowbourn // ex-Withywindle
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May 22 2012 06:19 AM #80
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