Thread: PvMP and other unimportant stuff !

Forum battles are more exciting than WW pvp tbh

Originally Posted by Feomalo

Forum battles are more exciting than WW pvp tbh

Your post is above mine ! i got ninja`d !

Ok,to show my good will i asked Forum Monsterz to close pvmp thread ! May the battles take place in the moorz from now on.

And O.o i heard it is a female forum Monster <3 im in love !

U got the ww pvp thread closed hahahahahhaahahhaahhahaahahaha hahahah







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Originally Posted by Spidex

U got the ww pvp thread closed hahahahahhaahahhaahhahaahahaha hahahah







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I asked the Mod to close it

For 1 simple reason,there is no use for such a Thread if clubbers and nabs try to defend their behaviour... We dont have any PvP,so why have a Pvp Thread Now everyone can do what they want,i just feel sorry for the few honest players left there,then again... none of them had the balls to comment on the topic,so i guess they get what they deserve...

Due to other post has gone i will post here.

Sry to rage in globball today against some freeps, but as i said to serbian both creep and freeps must know when to group up or not. There is no point 6 freeps are in the same place(OC farming), when only 1 or 2 creeps were online. Creeps do it too i know, but i think its better to split up than just farm, if u really dont want them to log out. just saying..


Lets try to improve our pvp, try something diferent..

My suggestion, run solo or small fs..

dont " humm im going to moors, lets make a raid guys?"

Cheers

Maaba

Hi Maaba.

I will just answer ur questions :

No u cant do Proper 5vs5 small groups fights , because there are gonna be randoms who are just gonna gank , and even if the group is 5 , they will get bigger numbers and i mean freeps/creeps both sides.

We had this day very very good Pvmp later in that night ! It was awesome well done all

Take care

Originally Posted by Cillion

I asked the Mod to close it

For 1 simple reason,there is no use for such a Thread if clubbers and nabs try to defend their behaviour... We dont have any PvP,so why have a Pvp Thread Now everyone can do what they want,i just feel sorry for the few honest players left there,then again... none of them had the balls to comment on the topic,so i guess they get what they deserve...

Thread was closed by thetime i got to it but for an example last weekend i spent soloing all the possible quests I could as the keeps were all in freep hands, there was next to no action during the times i was logged on or most peoiple were still trying to win horses in the festival. I managed to make in around 6 hours of playing about 1200 renown, between Ost , Isendeep Lug, TR, TA, LC and hobbit town, could take no keeps they were all blue and i was totally solo, i seen no creeps or freeps when i wqs logged on.

The other thread closed so I post here.

Was some nice PVP yesterday for an hour or so. It was in reaction to all creeps wanting to gank Lant as much as possible, so the creeps all grouped. (not the best reason for pvp I know but it worked)

Yes we outnumbered the freeps but both sides got some kills and I think all enjoyed it. Broke up after the creep leader left and the freeps went back to taking all the keeps including Lug :< (Taking Lug basically makes sure no pvp will happen till creeps get it back and is the reason why creeps hardly ever take Tir. Heck you dont even need to take it to get the reward for killing the tyrant)

There were alot of new players to the moors recently when PVE rewards were added. New players should try to understand the rules of fair play in the moors that have kept it fun over the years. Yes turbine does not enforce the rules with banns, like a decent company would, but it does not mean we cant try to do something within the community ourselves.

The way we can show the new players the accepted rules is by making posts here ... so can u stop closing all the threads that are trying to help the new players understand ?!

Hope we can repeat the good fight again today , even if it is just for an hour...

Getta.

Agree Getta , check time to time the other threads , i posted the Good Pvp fights there.

Dream.

Since already 2nd thread closed, will post my answer here:

@ Bazilion, the Teacher of the Champions #2:
I just tell what I see with my own eyes, so accusing me with "lies" just shows how low your mentality is once again.

@ Laineth
I`m not questioning your words, but within my presence none of the clubbing ever appeared - and this is just what I have stated.

/cheers

Originally Posted by Ileri

Since already 2nd thread closed, will post my answer here:

@ Bazilion, the Teacher of the Champions #2:
I just tell what I see with my own eyes, so accusing me with "lies" just shows how low your mentality is once again.

@ Laineth
I`m not questioning your words, but within my presence none of the clubbing ever appeared - and this is just what I have stated.

/cheers

Just had to laugh with what u said about baz..i cant say more cuz i promised not to.Just pls dont pretend to say what u only saw..

And ofc Lant didnt do it in front of your eyes that would be stupid.In fact i caught him doing it few minutes before u 2 went to grothum to quest..Guess you weren't online earlier

Originally Posted by Laineth

Just had to laugh with what u said about baz..i cant say more cuz i promised not to.Just pls dont pretend to say what u only saw..

And ofc Lant didnt do it in front of your eyes that would be stupid.In fact i caught him doing it few minutes before u 2 went to grothum to quest..Guess you weren't online earlier

Glad u laugh at him too
and yes, I`ve met Lant already in Grotum shortly after logging in.

Originally Posted by Laineth

Just had to laugh with what u said about baz..i cant say more cuz i promised not to.Just pls dont pretend to say what u only saw..

And ofc Lant didnt do it in front of your eyes that would be stupid.In fact i caught him doing it few minutes before u 2 went to grothum to quest..Guess you weren't online earlier

Now now ladies!!! Your forgetting one thing here!! Its ok to club cs its for a PvE shield...

Ha-ha-ha-ha

Shield

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavMtUWDBTM

Originally Posted by Ileri

Glad u laugh at him too
and yes, I`ve met Lant already in Grotum shortly after logging in.

Let me clear that out cuz it seems u didnt get it..I laughed at you saying stuff that aren't actually true.

Originally Posted by Laineth

Let me clear that out cuz it seems u didnt get it..I laughed at you saying stuff that aren't actually true.

Getting angry, darling? lol

p.s. ofc its perfectly understood what u mean, but to troll u a bit is so nice

Originally Posted by Ileri

Getting angry, darling? lol

p.s. ofc its perfectly understood what u mean, but to troll u a bit is so nice

Angry?For what?lol
And i wasnt sure u understood that...My bad

Originally Posted by Ileri

Getting angry, darling? lol

p.s. ofc its perfectly understood what u mean, but to troll u a bit is so nice

Now hush hush go back ingame and hug the Tyrant a bit more,he feels lonely if you arent there :3

I love how the other thread got closed for too much fighting, and within 2 pages of this one, we're back to fighting. Good going guys

Telrian

@ Borgost Belive me , this get closed soon inoff trollolll!

Originally Posted by Ileri

Getting angry, darling? lol

p.s. ofc its perfectly understood what u mean, but to troll u a bit is so nice

Sorry 'Darling' But you forget your place. When u can play a class that requires skill and show some ounce of intelligence THEN and only THEN can you talk down to a decent player like Bagalug/Laineth.

Chucknorris Out!

Roger that.

Originally Posted by Spidex

Sorry 'Darling' But you forget your place. When u can play a class that requires skill and show some ounce of intelligence THEN and only THEN can you talk down to a decent player like Bagalug/Laineth.

Chucknorris Out!

King has spoken, all take a knee!!!

lol

Originally Posted by Spidex

When u can play a class that requires skill....

Are there such classes in LOTRO?

Originally Posted by lutemaster

Are there such classes in LOTRO?

If you want to be good with your class, every class.

Originally Posted by lutemaster

Are there such classes in LOTRO?

A good point. But i believe warden / captain still take some skill to play guardian too. And Ileri instead of kneeling how bout u go make me a sandwich? Takes about as much skill as spaming pen shot to kill a r0 rvr You'll do great!

Originally Posted by Spidex

A good point. But i believe warden / captain still take some skill to play guardian too. And Ileri instead of kneeling how bout u go make me a sandwich? Takes about as much skill as spaming pen shot to kill a r0 rvr You'll do great!

Even if it is Pointless to share this with People on Withywindle i will try :

Open PvP :

Note that the more Fun the fights are,the more likely you will have more of them. It might result in less Points per Fight,in the long Run you get more Fights wich means more Points. So dont hide just cause you are less,or dont make raids when they are not needed.
Realize this is not War,dying wont hurt you,and it wont have any negative influence on your Game,you die you kill some both sides have fun battling eachother over and over again.. Yes creeps get stronger with each death you give them,but I take no joy in trouncing weaklings,do you? The stronger my enemy,the more i can measure my skills as a player.
And lastly,play both Sides,it will give you a much better understanding of why creeps are annoyed of freeps strenght and lameness sometimes.



In Spars :

People on Servers like Vanyar (when i was still playing there,no clue about nowdays) always said something like this :

If you fight an Opponent,you have to evaluate wich skills you can use without leaving them completely chanceless to fight.
If you absolutely destroy him by using all your cooldowns etc,then as a player that wants fun fair fights,you wont use those skills again,to a Point where both of you have a good Fight,not one killing the other without losing 1 Point Morale.



Now,i have given up trying to tell People that they are hurting themselves by driving creeps away... I realized that not many of those People on Withy want challenging Fights,and some of them even accepted clubbing as a common thing to do. Still the Lotro Player in me wanted to make this Post while relaxing from a Stress-test

This is my PoV on it,some share it,some disagree.

Laineth and Ileri ! Guys what's going on? Stop fighting this is madness xD



Ok too much fight again, lets make some fun and laugh for a second , check this out lads ^^

http://blog.rebma.net/2011/02/08/lot...ng-of-boromir/

Ok back to the topic, let's keep this thread intresting ^^

Originally Posted by Grachuk

Laineth and Ileri ! Guys what's going on? Stop fighting this is madness xD

p.1. We are girls
p.2. But on a more serious note - I went a bit too emotional on her boyfriend, sorry for this - but his accusition in lies I take as a deep insult. I can agree to the title "lame", "unskillfull", "chicken", even "stupid #####" would go, but "lier" is a bit over my level of tolerance.

Originally Posted by Cillion

Even if it is Pointless to share this with People on Withywindle i will try...

There are plenty of nice and solid things u`ve said here and before. And I would agree with most of it, but... there is a big BUT in there - if you would also follow them yourself. So I will try to elaborate on some of your main topics:

1) Freeps > Creeps
While theoretically its true, this statement is a big generalisation. Certain freep classes are really so, while others are pretty much opposite (or only under very specific surcumbstances).

2) Freeps driving creeps away
I tend to disagree with this, and here we can have a descent discussion, if only u would like to keep it in the constructive way.

Generally I see it the other way - just a short example - how many hunters do u see in our 'moors on a really regular basis? I`m getting into festivity mode in the last few months if I see a 2nd one. Seriously. You guys/girls (with a big help of your warg companions) have outfarmed and deprived an entire class from our pvp zone... I feel so popular in our 'moors - 10-15 "being followed" messages every 10 minutes (and I`m not exagerrating)...

3) Freeps prefer PVE
Again a big generalization. Some people for whatever reson still think that questing has a primary objective in a PvP zone, but not everybody. And both, Haras and myself (according to your posts "the lamest" freeps of our server) are trying to convince them that this is wrong. With limited succes however. I suspect, this is due to general lack of long lasting fights.

4) Freeps refuse to go to the open
This is true, however is a generalization once again - u always state that fun should be on both sides, but if your group continuesly facerolling your opponent w/o giving him a single point - there is absolutely no fun for your opponent. Result - ppl hug keeps/npcs or logg out.

Thing is, if you outmatch your opponent (by either size, skillful/experienced player base or group structure/coordination level) in a way, that he can do absolutely nothing against you in the open - calling it "noob", "l2p" and alike will not improve overall action, but will just raise level of hate and frustration.

You (and many of your companions) are the most experienced PvP players of our server. But generally you do absolutely nothing (I can recall only one succesfull attempt of Dodar, when we coordinated 3h long non-stop fight near TR GY months ago // I know that you`ve also tried) to improve the action as such, but just expect your opponents to share your opinion by contineausly blaming and insulting them.

Reality is that there are many people currently showing up in our 'moors on freep side, who have quite limited experience of real PvP action (here I would refer to Grachuk`s post about ppl using agro skills, seen it also, lol). So if freeps have healers and similar numbers as your creep group, Baz - it does not necessary mean that this group has a single chance against you in the open. So, after couple of whipes it will start hugging...

I have two suggestions to overcome this (if your group outmatch opponent you facing):
a) communicate with it for the creation of a surcumbstances where kills and assotiated fun would be on both sides (Dodar example);
b) communicate and redesign your own group in a way that your opponents also have chances.

And last but not least... stop insulting people. People you play against are the only ones avaliable...

Sorry for long post.
/cheers

Y u know what? Stop this hating , even if i flamed before we cant change some things , so its pointles to talk about : Better Idea : Talk about things we can organize , how to improve our server

Alrighty lets from now say there are no "lame" players on withy, there are only eperienced, less experienced and unexperienced at all. After reading all posts i see most people want open fights and also many complains about hugging.
In one way i agree with Ileri that those "less experienced or unexperienced freeps" even in fights with same numbers have no clue what to do and wipe easy and they need use NPC against "experienced creeps", fine but ...

From second hand, how it will help improve their pvp? instead of trying to learn how to survive and defeat their opponent they will still try use NPC and they will never learn how to fight in open.

I can give only small advice, i used to do that with groups or my raids when there were in some new creeps. I decided do a small test to improve "Assist & Heal" of my raid/group before we went fight with freeps. We used pull all cows and we were trying kill them all but with swapping targets on RAT and using all what you got to keep heal lads.

I know Freeps have perhaps no chance to do that in etten but if only raid/group leader can do a small test for freeps with NPC in any area with 75lvl with many NPC just to get a view if players following rat and heal and listen. I know there are "PvE" raids for that but not many folks have a chance do it with own kinship and lack of good armour is a reason sometimes why PUG doesnt want inv those kind of people.

Also as many old players left Withy and many new players arrived i will post something what i posted long time ago when withy still was very young server yes Withy getting slowly old :P

Originally Posted by Grachuk

... also i must say and this is ofcourse normal for any raid/group leaders on freep/creep side, that if "One side" will try to take a Keep, "Second side" will defend it and will use NPC. Also fighting near Keeps can give some very nice ideas for flanks and unexpected attacks. Especialy near TA. To show my point i must say there are in ettenmoors a situations when :

You are outnumbered and ya need to stay near any Keep which belongs to you also it can be OC/EC. There are variable degrees of being outnumbered ofcourse !!

When it is only slighty, raid leader can wander arround and try get some fights without using any NPC.
Moderately outnumbered means that raid leader can wander arround and try to stay near Keep or OC/EC as it can be part of tactic (flanking etc) also if you got too many low ranks creeps or too many low lvls (or with very bad gear) freeps.
Heavily outnumbered means as everyone already know, that you "must" stay at Keep, OC/EC etc or very close, becouse there is nothing you can do. Even as much as you love open fights there is no shame at all that you "defending" your raid/group against much more opposite players.

When both sides got (few more/less) same numbers in raids/groups and also almost all are well prepared (some high ranks at creep side and some very good geared freep players) thats the best opportunity to get amazing full of adrenaline fights in ettenmoors !!! And no need even stand in open field and wait for an enemy raid but also you/we can run arround and flank or surprise our an enemy players. That gives a lot of adrenaline and "a lot" of work for 2 raid leaders !! Did it and love it !!

You are outnumbering, means you must be that "agressive side" ( also depends how strong you outnumber opposite side ofcourse). You can't wait for outnumbered players to come and fight you and get easy killed by your raid. It is you who must do something.

Ok that's it from me, and as we all have freeps perhaps on different servers, perhaps some withy freeps should try play even 1 hour a creep while freeps arround to see that being a creep it's not so easy now since Turbine trying give as much as they want good things for freepies. Anyways creeps got best cookies <3

Originally Posted by Cillion

Even if it is Pointless to share this with People on Withywindle i will try :

Open PvP :

Note that the more Fun the fights are,the more likely you will have more of them. It might result in less Points per Fight,in the long Run you get more Fights wich means more Points. So dont hide just cause you are less,or dont make raids when they are not needed.
Realize this is not War,dying wont hurt you,and it wont have any negative influence on your Game,you die you kill some both sides have fun battling eachother over and over again.. Yes creeps get stronger with each death you give them,but I take no joy in trouncing weaklings,do you? The stronger my enemy,the more i can measure my skills as a player.
And lastly,play both Sides,it will give you a much better understanding of why creeps are annoyed of freeps strenght and lameness sometimes.



In Spars :

People on Servers like Vanyar (when i was still playing there,no clue about nowdays) always said something like this :

If you fight an Opponent,you have to evaluate wich skills you can use without leaving them completely chanceless to fight.
If you absolutely destroy him by using all your cooldowns etc,then as a player that wants fun fair fights,you wont use those skills again,to a Point where both of you have a good Fight,not one killing the other without losing 1 Point Morale.



Now,i have given up trying to tell People that they are hurting themselves by driving creeps away... I realized that not many of those People on Withy want challenging Fights,and some of them even accepted clubbing as a common thing to do. Still the Lotro Player in me wanted to make this Post while relaxing from a Stress-test

This is my PoV on it,some share it,some disagree.

Hello

i have to admit that i agree with what u are telling here and even after the discution last nigt i will try to play the way should
I, m not affraid fighting creeps but when i get outnumbered 6vs i Wonder why i play
I will play fairly and wont hunt on low ranks unless a raid of low ranks will attack
It will be difficult for everyone in the beginning but if we try we, ll get tru it .
The best would be if we always had a nice creep/freep raid to have nice fights.
Ok that, s it for me see you on creep/freep side.

Greetings Toaran/Zazazou

All this talk about PvP makes Thechupacabra want to leave quarantine :P but alas he still has the rabies and cannot be released :P

So lets see...Hugging while being outnumbered is a part of the game, i agree with that but i also saw freeps hugging even when they weren't outnumbered and the could easily kill the creeps.And when they finally charged they got kills.So ppl why be afraid to charge and hug all the time?Try to get some kills,if u see u can't do anything then yeah hug.

Another thing that i dont like is when freeps move from EC to TR cuz npcs in EC are not enough..And not only the move inside TR but range classes stay at the top of TR killing the creeps that try to get inside.Basically giving the creeps no chance of a kill.

You wanna hug to have a chance?Sure do it but give your opponent a chance of a kill too.

Oh and i see a love-hate triangle on our forums :P. Really interesting to watch really the dynamics of such an odd couple. Now they hate, next they love. And then they turn cinical. Just like a marriage with an extra wheel on the cart :P. So please keep the laundry home people, as fun as conjugal chit-chat may be it is so off topic it breaks the scale. If i think of it it seems to be a 4-person couple but the forth ive never seen on the forum.

And yet another thing. And this is serious. I see freeps and creeps complaining of hugging and such. My idea is, dont hug guyz, your turn to greatly outnumber the other side will come , if not today tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Laineth

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Another thing that i dont like is when freeps move from EC to TR cuz npcs in EC are not enough..And not only the move inside TR but range classes stay at the top of TR killing the creeps that try to get inside.Basically giving the creeps no chance of a kill.

You wanna hug to have a chance?Sure do it but give your opponent a chance of a kill too.

Try to play your hunter ourdays w/o having descent heals on your back, while warg pack is on the ground - and pretty soon you will have no more questions about this matter.

And the problem for those classes you`ve mentioned, is not really being killed in the field (even taking the fact that they r first to be attacked), but being completely switched out of action as soon as they r killed next to the gates - you simply not letting them get back from res circle... So its a way of inforced adaptation I guess

Originally Posted by Ileri

Try to play your hunter ourdays w/o having descent heals on your back, while warg pack is on the ground - and pretty soon you will have no more questions about this matter.

And the problem for those classes you`ve mentioned, is not really being killed in the field (even taking the fact that they r first to be attacked), but being completely switched out of action as soon as they r killed next to the gates - you simply not letting them get back from res circle... So its a way of inforced adaptation I guess

Oh come on with the heals again.
Please play your spider to see how creeps feel and then maybe you will understand.

Sorry, I dont play creep and freep on same server. Kinda not prepared to fight against those who I was fighting alongsite with. But thats my personal position and I in neither way directing it to others. And I do know how creep`s life looks like.