Taking a bit of a break will still be here just not as much. When i see what U7 will give freeps it makes me not want to play.
Sick of minstrel god mode. But wait I'm wrong my full heal while in my burrow is OP (A min told me that) I could pick on 3 other freep classes but i don't want to hear how they are not OP
"Worst rager: Spiderbyte (through abstinence)" made me lol
"Helping new creeps out " made me lol. Get them to stay till 5, say better days ahead before they figure out they have no chance and log.
Go ahead and bash me I can take it but if you are waiting for a reply you might be waiting a while
Disappointed to hear you're leaving (somewhat) though I understand. Turbine wants creeps to outnumber freeps but when it's prime time on Gladden freeps always outnumber. With commendations it's just too hard for new creeps.
lolol minstrels think they got it sooooo hard, the ones ive been asking has whined abut pre-RoI and doesnt mind their current OPness, have a good one Spiderbyte
Lost one of our greatest leaders right here.
Only two left and both of them roll both creep & freep side >.<
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Taking a bit of a break will still be here just not as much. When i see what U7 will give freeps it makes me not want to play.
Sick of minstrel god mode. But wait I'm wrong my full heal while in my burrow is OP (A min told me that) I could pick on 3 other freep classes but i don't want to hear how they are not OP
"Worst rager: Spiderbyte (through abstinence)" made me lol
"Helping new creeps out " made me lol. Get them to stay till 5, say better days ahead before they figure out they have no chance and log.
Go ahead and bash me I can take it but if you are waiting for a reply you might be waiting a while
Taking a bit of a break will still be here just not as much. When i see what U7 will give freeps it makes me not want to play.
Sick of minstrel god mode. But wait I'm wrong my full heal while in my burrow is OP (A min told me that) I could pick on 3 other freep classes but i don't want to hear how they are not OP
"Worst rager: Spiderbyte (through abstinence)" made me lol
"Helping new creeps out " made me lol. Get them to stay till 5, say better days ahead before they figure out they have no chance and log.
Go ahead and bash me I can take it but if you are waiting for a reply you might be waiting a while
What changes you didn't like? From what I read on release notes there are only bug fixes for moors.
new items which increase 2age weapon dps up to 1age lvl for freeps
NO changes for creep play in anyway not even reduction in commendation costs.
Devs havent said anything since pre-U6.
Im suprised Spider bothered hanging around for so long...
I look forward to GW2 PvP, the devs seem to communicate more than once every second month... I'd suggest you do the same Spider
PS: Forums are ticking me off, more buggy than Skyrim & Minecraft in one package.
Not sure if it'll make anyone feel better, but i took out a rank 8 hunter on my rank 3 spider with 1 audacity. Do not give up hope brothers, we shall do certain things to certain classes.......... (not including Mins, Rks, Lms, Champs, Guards, Wardens, Cappies, and Burgs. Hunters......meh. We can win!!!! Unless its Vic on hunter then well....... its pve time for us all.
Wow...who was it?
I have a noob rune keeper and a champ that only tanks. Suck it.
Both OP discussion and f(c)reep advantaged discussion are pointless. Both sides have "OP classes" right now and both sides are having hard time to play depending on the situation. Tell me about unfair things on moors for a hunter...
As Vic said, if you think the moors is unfair for a hunter, you're doin' it wrong. You're squishy if you get caught by surprise without stuff up, but that's as it should be for a class that can take a creep from full to nothing in basically no time flat.
My 4 audacity warden wearing only quest reward, audacity, crafted, or rep gear (no instance gear) was able to kill 2 out of 3 mid-ranked creeps the other day in a 3v1, without a pile of weak npcs to lifetap off of and without even switching out of my dps stance into my tanking/turtling stance. And the warden is probably the hardest to play and least moors-suited class on freep side, and I'm not very practiced at playing it in pvp.
A handful of ungrouped freeps can farm superior numbers of creeps in their own keep, and this happens with some frequency. The only way a smaller number of creeps can really take on superior numbers of freeps, especially a coordinated freep group, is with a warg pack using one-kill-and-scatter tactics (which is why freeps complain about them). With the upcoming LI upgrades, this will be even more the case.
Sorry to hear of your semi-retirement, Spider. It's been fun grouping with you.
Not sure if it'll make anyone feel better, but i took out a rank 8 hunter on my rank 3 spider with 1 audacity. Do not give up hope brothers, we shall do certain things to certain classes.......... (not including Mins, Rks, Lms, Champs, Guards, Wardens, Cappies, and Burgs. Hunters......meh. We can win!!!! Unless its Vic on hunter then well....... its pve time for us all.
I'm sure you'll be curious enough to where your post goes to see some responses.
The whole lotro game is meh this year. PvP, PvE. I have no ambition to do anything lotro wants us to do. Let alone have new freep stock come logging on in waves since things are easy (or will be even more so) for them again. People made the game fun but most people I know have left except a small group. I barely log on anymore.
Taking a bit of a break will still be here just not as much. When i see what U7 will give freeps it makes me not want to play.
Sick of minstrel god mode. But wait I'm wrong my full heal while in my burrow is OP (A min told me that) I could pick on 3 other freep classes but i don't want to hear how they are not OP
"Worst rager: Spiderbyte (through abstinence)" made me lol
"Helping new creeps out " made me lol. Get them to stay till 5, say better days ahead before they figure out they have no chance and log.
Go ahead and bash me I can take it but if you are waiting for a reply you might be waiting a while
What changes you didn't like? From what I read on the 1st U7 BR Release Notes B0, there are only bug fixes for moors:
Both OP discussion and f(c)reep advantaged discussion are pointless. Both sides have "OP classes" right now and both sides are having hard time to play depending on the situation. Tell me about unfair things on moors for a hunter...
I can't like u SB (j/k), because u kill/target call me and u are too damn hard to kill, but I don't wanna see u leaving or playing less.
That is bad news for gladden moors and I hope u reconsider or just get over it.
new items which increase 2age weapon dps up to 1age lvl for freeps
NO changes for creep play in anyway not even reduction in commendation costs.
Devs havent said anything since pre-U6.
Im suprised Spider bothered hanging around for so long...
I look forward to GW2 PvP, the devs seem to communicate more than once every second month... I'd suggest you do the same Spider
PS: Forums are ticking me off, more buggy than Skyrim & Minecraft in one package.
Sorry Tingur, help me out here... I really cannot find what new items that will increase 2age dps to 1age lvl...
Both OP discussion and f(c)reep advantaged discussion are pointless. Both sides have "OP classes" right now and both sides are having hard time to play depending on the situation. Tell me about unfair things on moors for a hunter...
I can't like u SB (j/k), because u kill/target call me and u are too damn hard to kill, but I don't wanna see u leaving or playing less.
That is bad news for gladden moors and I hope u reconsider or just get over it.
The changes coming that he's referencing that will make the Moors more unbalanced is:
Star-lit Crystals for Legendary Items
Star-lit Crystals are now available as loot from monsters. These ancient crystals hold the harnessed power of starlight and are used on your Legendary Items to upgrade their power. Up to three Star-lit crystals can be used on every upgradeable Legendary Item. The current upgrade status of your Legendary Item is displayed as three empty star icons one of which is filled in after an upgrade.
Star-lit crystals will upgrade the DPS, tactical healing rating, tactical damage rating or shield use rank of your Legendary items. Additionally Star-lit crystals will upgrade any ratings based legacies as well as secondary ratings and stats. Star-lit crystals drop extremely rarely from Skirmish Lieutenants with an increase in drop frequency at each step of 3-man, 6-man and raids in both skirmishes and instances. Using a Star-lit crystal on your Legendary item will also reset the legend points spent on that Legendary Item.
NOTE: Champion Runes, Burglar tools and all quest rewarded Legendary Items are not targetable by Star-lit crystals at this time. We hope to allow Star-lit crystals to be used on Champion Runes and Burglar Tools in a future release.
And if you believe both sides have OP classes, I strongly disagree. The only class creeps have that's even close to OP right now is warg. And honestly they're not that difficult to kill. It's just that there's usually three or so of them at a time, but no class should be able to win a 3v1 (even tho many freep classes can and still do). And honestly all the hunters that say hunters need so much attention and are strongly disabled in the Moors, all I can say is, "Yall are doing it wrong." Hunters have the highest burst damage in the game and can easily kill any creep in 10s or less. My hunter made over 37,000 renown on Friday. 'Nuf said.
Not sure if it'll make anyone feel better, but i took out a rank 8 hunter on my rank 3 spider with 1 audacity. Do not give up hope brothers, we shall do certain things to certain classes.......... (not including Mins, Rks, Lms, Champs, Guards, Wardens, Cappies, and Burgs. Hunters......meh. We can win!!!! Unless its Vic on hunter then well....... its pve time for us all.
Wow, who was it?
I have a noob rune keeper and a champ that only tanks. Suck it.
The changes coming that he's referencing that will make the Moors more unbalanced is:
And if you believe both sides have OP classes, I strongly disagree. The only class creeps have that's even close to OP right now is warg. And honestly they're not that difficult to kill. It's just that there's usually three or so of them at a time, but no class should be able to win a 3v1 (even tho many freep classes can and still do). And honestly all the hunters that say hunters need so much attention and are strongly disabled in the Moors, all I can say is, "Yall are doing it wrong." Hunters have the highest burst damage in the game and can easily kill any creep in 10s or less. My hunter made over 37,000 renown on Friday. 'Nuf said.
I don't agree with most of the complains hunters are making about they been week (in that matter I agree with u), but on 1v1 we are in a bad shape and on RvR in open field fights we depend much on help from others and we need to be very wise on positioning, 1 mistake and the hunter is dead in seconds. That is balance, hard dps, "easy" to kill, that is why I don't complain much about it.
Making 37k renown is a big achievement, congrats, but it doesn't mean that much on how good or bad hunters are. U spent the hole day on moors and I was there, the kind of fight we have that day are great for hunters (back and forth with a lot of people on both sides, but no groups, farming and pressing creeps on OC and their rezes). I made 104 kbs and almost 7k renown in a few hours on the same day.
About both sides having OP classes, but I don't think wargs are OP, they just have that great ability (that pisses me off a lot, hehehe to run or hide when they are getting their a** kicked. WL and BA on the other hand, are too damn hard to kill and a both can take 3v1 fights (and I agree with u, no class should be able to) as much as minis should not be able to autoheal the dps of 3 creeps... but as I said, pointless discussion.
My post intention was not to bring that discussion up, there are plenty of threads for that. I only meant to give a message SB who I hate so much (j/k again), don't leave the game. You vic, on the other hand, can take SB place and leave middle earth and never return. hehehe.
Freeps that don't think that we have a huge advantage in the Moors are deluding themselves. Hunters that think that they are terribly disadvantaged are, as Vic said, doing it wrong. I have witnessed hunters absolutely destroy highly ranked and skilled creeps in 1v1's more times than I can count, and with the addition of the starlit crystals even poorly geared freeps are going to be able to hit like members of raiding kins do now.
I'm sorry to see you go Spider - I've only had the pleasure of fighting you one on one a few times, but those times were a real challenge. Your a good player, and a good raid leader, and creepside very much needs more of both. Here's hoping that you change your mind soon, even if Turbine continues to make things more difficult for creeps. In the meantime, best of luck to you.
Just to clear a couple things up, I will still be around just not as much. You will see me in game just not in the moors as much. Summer I here as well and I got some fish to catch
As Vic said, if you think the moors is unfair for a hunter, you're doin' it wrong. You're squishy if you get caught by surprise without stuff up, but that's as it should be for a class that can take a creep from full to nothing in basically no time flat.
My 4 audacity warden wearing only quest reward, audacity, crafted, or rep gear (no instance gear) was able to kill 2 out of 3 mid-ranked creeps the other day in a 3v1, without a pile of weak npcs to lifetap off of and without even switching out of my dps stance into my tanking/turtling stance. And the warden is probably the hardest to play and least moors-suited class on freep side, and I'm not very practiced at playing it in pvp.
A handful of ungrouped freeps can farm superior numbers of creeps in their own keep, and this happens with some frequency. The only way a smaller number of creeps can really take on superior numbers of freeps, especially a coordinated freep group, is with a warg pack using one-kill-and-scatter tactics (which is why freeps complain about them). With the upcoming LI upgrades, this will be even more the case.
Sorry to hear of your semi-retirement, Spider. It's been fun grouping with you.
If u read the hunter forums u will see that I am not one of those hunters who complains and are leaving moors, but it is a fact that a hunter on 1v1 is easy meat in most occasions for most creeps on the same rank. For me it is just balance, with the dps a hunter have they need to be squishy. A solo hunter must be paranoid to survive. I am still there, having fun and killing a lot of creeps.
Yes, warden is the most OP class ATM. I have a warden full raid geared, but I don't play moors much with him. Audacity 1 and I can still fight a lot of creeps without getting killed. Last time I tried I fought 3 wargs and 2 bas, I didn't kill no one, but I was not killed either. Fight ended with the creeps running. hehehe. Lame. Creeps don't know how to fight wardens because there are not many wardens on moors I think. 2 BAs alone are probably harder for a warden then 2 BAs with 3 Wargs (with wargs or any meele class we can do gambits on tank stance and leech more).
Again, pointless discussion, each side can give many examples where the other side have advantage or talk tons about OP classes on each side.
If u read the hunter forums u will see that I am not one of those hunters who complains and are leaving moors, but it is a fact that a hunter on 1v1 is easy meat in most occasions for most creeps on the same rank. For me it is just balance, with the dps a hunter have they need to be squishy. A solo hunter must be paranoid to survive. I am still there, having fun and killing a lot of creeps.
Yes, warden is the most OP class ATM. I have a warden full raid geared, but I don't play moors much with him. Audacity 1 and I can still fight a lot of creeps without getting killed. Last time I tried I fought 3 wargs and 2 bas, I didn't kill no one, but I was not killed either. Fight ended with the creeps running. hehehe. Lame. Creeps don't know how to fight wardens because there are not many wardens on moors I think. 2 BAs alone are probably harder for a warden then 2 BAs with 3 Wargs (with wargs or any meele class we can do gambits on tank stance and leech more).
Again, pointless discussion, each side can give many examples where the other side have advantage or talk tons about OP classes on each side.
I play both sides. A lot. I have over 1 mil renown on freep and over 750k infamy on creep. I certainly think I've been on both sides of the fence enough to speak without bias. There are certainly no OP creep classes. The closest thing is maybe a flayer warg, which I can still kill 90% of the time even if they get the jump on me, on what you stated is the weakest freep class, my hunter. Your statement seems to hint at one thing: You've barely or never have played a creep. Creeps used to have two things over freeps, dots and aoe rez. Now freeps have better dots and an aoe rez as well. Freeps > Creeps in every aspect of combat.
Sorry Tingur, help me out here... I really cannot find what new items that will increase 2age dps to 1age lvl...
Those starlit crystal thingys!
anyways, bout the hunter problem, no offence to Vic, but he's ezmoding the class, 1age with BH from stealth....And if not, he always carry Whee's minstrel Esmilren-1 (something like that, with him) from what ive seen, anyways. Thats the only way you can play that class without getting spunked to death. And Vic is.. hate to say it playing the class right, allready made me rage-rant bout 4 times as he loves to target my WL. anyways, hunters are either smack them down or die. In a creep's eyes freeps are OP. There was this Gritti-1 (IICR) in Glff complaining bout creeps always zerging...
Last time I complained bout zerging I got laughed at and mocked, the minstrel who said that got cheered at/hailed, however you put it, makes sence?
PvMP in Lotro is hillarious, exiting and FUBAR. Yet I must say being on a low rank defiler, smacking a freep with tenderize and getting the daze and run for it is one of the things I love the most with creep side besides my Tribemates. Creeps didnt need to get their CC reduced with Audacity. It really makes most of our most essential skills useless.
Of course others can laugh and point, but tell me one thing. What makes one think they are any better?
Say one thing in OOC; get mocked, Glff too. these so called trolls are the reason I no longer carry respect for any but a few freeps and I know many other creeps feels the same.
Anyways: dont for once second think a creep > freep. Hunters who like to play without the so called "ezmoding" are taken down in seconds, but who cares right? free infamy? people call them noobs, but Ill tell you one thing, it pains me to see creeps throw themselves at the few freeps who actually tries putting up a fair match.
What is PvP bout? killing people? I could do that in COD aswell... LOTRO is more of a strategy game, Heck TheSingleBoxer, Spider and DoG have often proved that creeps can beat freeps even at even numbers.
Anyways, point: Dont underestimate a player no matter how weak the class is.
hah got ya, this post was more about personal feelings and QQ, muhahahahhaha hate me moar!!!
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I play both sides. A lot. I have over 1 mil renown on freep and over 750k infamy on creep. I certainly think I've been on both sides of the fence enough to speak without bias. There are certainly no OP creep classes. The closest thing is maybe a flayer warg, which I can still kill 90% of the time even if they get the jump on me, on what you stated is the weakest freep class, my hunter. Your statement seems to hint at one thing: You've barely or never have played a creep. Creeps used to have two things over freeps, dots and aoe rez. Now freeps have better dots and an aoe rez as well. Freeps > Creeps in every aspect of combat.
Oh might vet Vic, that has close/over 2mi infamy/renown (Turbine should make a custom title for u dude), I am sorry to have my humble and noob opinion different from yours.
I play both sides. A lot. I have over 1 mil renown on freep and over 750k infamy on creep. I certainly think I've been on both sides of the fence enough to speak without bias. There are certainly no OP creep classes. The closest thing is maybe a flayer warg, which I can still kill 90% of the time even if they get the jump on me, on what you stated is the weakest freep class, my hunter. Your statement seems to hint at one thing: You've barely or never have played a creep. Creeps used to have two things over freeps, dots and aoe rez. Now freeps have better dots and an aoe rez as well. Freeps > Creeps in every aspect of combat.
This.
If you disagree with this post, you haven't been in the moors long enough, or played both sides long enough, or you're just dumb.
I play both sides. A lot. I have over 1 mil renown on freep and over 750k infamy on creep. I certainly think I've been on both sides of the fence enough to speak without bias. There are certainly no OP creep classes. The closest thing is maybe a flayer warg, which I can still kill 90% of the time even if they get the jump on me, on what you stated is the weakest freep class, my hunter. Your statement seems to hint at one thing: You've barely or never have played a creep. Creeps used to have two things over freeps, dots and aoe rez. Now freeps have better dots and an aoe rez as well. Freeps > Creeps in every aspect of combat.
^agree.
I've completely given up on lotro pvp ever achieving "balance", and if somehow it comes about it will be by sheer coincidence, not dev intention, and will ultimately be short lived. Despite devs assurance that the "many-to-one" concept (creep:freep) was trashed, the current (and U7) state of the moors suggests that it not the case. Many freep classes are currently dominant 1v1, and in group play a well geared/played freep group can take on a much larger creep force successfully.
Sadly, I'm more excited about the next beta event for that other game, then lotro pvp. (ziff - get it). With the current state of the moors for "newer" or even returning creeps (audacity grind), if a large chunk of "vet" creepside player base leaves for that other game (or even plays lotro less frequently) its going to be rough creepside - especially on low/mid pop servers.
Oh might vet Vic, that has close/over 2mi infamy/renown (Turbine should make a custom title for u dude), I am sorry to have my humble and noob opinion different from yours.
It's okay, if I only played freep, my opinion would probably be biased too.
You're a bunch of meatballs. Meatballs ready to get eaten!
Tingur's guide to Kill freeps:
Viceras = Hit him with something, it make him use Dazing blow, he'll get into kiting, then make a warg sneak up on him from behind, then Viceras will have to choose a chance for a kill OR to take down the biggest DPSer.
(to clarify, Viceras will die. he wont always escape so the question is, will he turn towards the biggest DPSer or will he continue on his first target :O?)
Mellar = Wait for his track, drag him into the bushes, ambush.
Clevinger = Ignore him, then he will go into a corner, QQing a little then log over showing off his WL/Burg.
That was Tingur's first guide on how to kill/remove certain freeps.
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One more post turned upside down by a freep/creep debate. I will keep my point, this discussion is ridiculous. Even if the game was balanced, both sides will still think it is not - and only the might Vic is entitle with an opinion because he have 1mi renown/infamy on each side. Yey.
Moors is much more about strategy, leadership and skill then about OP classes and f(c)reep having advantage.
PS: For once I sort of liked your post Tingur, and lets wait for that cristal thing goes live and see how much it will affect the moors.
One more post turned upside down by a freep/creep debate. I will keep my point, this discussion is ridiculous. Even if the game was balanced, both sides will still think it is not - and only the might Vic is entitle with an opinion because he have 1mi renown/infamy on each side. Yey.
Moors is much more about strategy, leadership and skill then about OP classes and f(c)reep having advantage.
PS: For once I sort of liked your post Tingur, and lets wait for that cristal thing goes live and see how much it will affect the moors.
Every increase in hunter DPS is a negative thing my friend!
Stepping up to take the button night after night takes its toll on anyone. Take a break and recharge the batteries moors will be there when you’re ready...take care Spiderbyte.
As for you whining 1v1'rs crying about balance YOU ALL keep missing the point. Moors never was and never will be about class balance, if you’re coming out to the moors to 1v1 YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!
If the rumors are true and Glee and his merry band of misfits are returning it'll take him some time to get organized but ultimately moors play will be better for it. Play is balanced when, and only when, each side is grped up utilizing all their skills and playing together as a team.
One other thing while I have your attention, the crystals don't appear to be much of a boost to dps, healing, or any other skills based on what's on BR at the moment. I realize that things on BR change however; no one should go off running around with their hair on fire saying that moors is coming to an end because of the addition of the crystals until it goes live....at the moment doesn't look like that big of a deal. If anything, the DPS boosts might be targeted to bring them more in line with what the creeps (ranked ones) are doing.
It's been obvious to me for some time that no one is going to stop 1v1 play however; waiting for Devs to balance classes without a major change to Moors play is a "pipe dream" in my opinion.....Moors is designed for grp play not 1v1.
Any Devs like to respond?
Val
"I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory, I love only that which it defends" J. R. Tolkien
Spiderbyte Hate to hear you're frustrated with the moors these days spider. You are one of the best creep side leaders and its always a lot of fun to raid with (or against) you. I hope to see you back out in the moors after some R&R with a fishing pole.
Creep vs freep balance Ive played both sides a fair amount and for my 2 cents worth, I have to agree that in general freeps have the upper hand.
How did update 7 change things?
Spiders and wargs got some very nice changes but even with the changes there are no creep classes that currently match the most OP freep classes.
Audacity: Once both sides have rank 7 audacity I think audacity helps creeps a little more than freeps. However, the CRAZY pricing of skills/corruptions for low ranked creeps means that creeps have to choose between ranking audacity or gaining their basic class skills until they are rank 6+. The end result is that freeps get audacity ranked up way before creeps...
Upshot
The moors isn't balanced and its never going to be. However, the good news is that even with the imbalances a group of skillful well led players on either side (freep or creep) has always been able to overcome the enemy. At the end of the day it has always been possible for either side to overcome equal (or even slightly greater) numbers of the enemy if they outplay them. Ive seen it done since the first day I set foot in the moors and I have seen it done after update 7.
Audacity: Once both sides have rank 7 audacity I think audacity helps creeps a little more than freeps, but the CRAZY pricing of skills/corruptions for low ranked creeps means that creeps have to choose between ranking audacity or gaining their basic class skills until they are rank 6+. The end result is that freeps get audacity ranked up way before creeps...
Completley disagree.....start a creep and freep at level 1 and race to see who has rank 7 audicity first. Creep should win that race every time. A raid ready Freep has to get all his gear, virtues, skills, FAs to equal a ranked creep and then start working on moors gear/audicity. Moors gear is nice but can't be used in all situations for raiding.
Val
"I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory, I love only that which it defends" J. R. Tolkien
Careful pointing out you've played both sides a fair amount. Some people might overreact.
My main freep is Merridan and my main creep is Celebdan. I make no bones about the fact that I enjoy playing both sides. I think it helps you understand the moors better.
Completley disagree.....start a creep and freep at level 1 and race to see who has rank 7 audicity first. Creep should win that race every time. A raid ready Freep has to get all his gear, virtues, skills, FAs to equal a ranked creep and then start working on moors gear/audicity. Moors gear is nice but can't be used in all situations for raiding.
Val
I'd like to point out that the leveling/grinding is the PvE part of the game and not designed for PvP while the creeps are designed for PvP and matching the freeps
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