I don't mean to call you out here, but I could beat you pretty solidly before this RoI-audacity ####. I used to camp you at the rez a lot, and I remember raging at you when you doubled-bubbled me after you found me at OC at half health. Now, though, I feel quite safe to make the hypothesis that I would come no where close to even grazing you.
I also don't want to get involved into that old debate, but imho you are strongly exaggerating. I don't remember ever being afraid of you. The fight near OC when you were actually at full health and kiting me close to the OC npcs was rather boring indeed. Also, times change. Back then I had less experience and lousy gear - basically no raid items, traits not at max, a badly-treated SA sword. Now I'm close to r10, all traits at 14, full Moors set, maxed-out FA, Draigoch cloak, full Limelight set, etc. That's close to the best gear in the game. I'm only lacking a FA rune & the clasps. Naturally, this has decreased your chances. However, like I've said, I don't have many things I can improve now. So, do you expect any "middle-class" creep (R8) to have equal chances against me? I'd say that my build should be equivalent to a R13-14 creep instead.
Moreover, I wouldn't say that wargs are weak now. Whenever two or three of the really good ones get together in a pack, they can kill just about anybody without any problems. Most of my deaths now follow this scenario: a sudden pounce, and I'm down in a few seconds. One time a warg pack caught me with all my CDs and bubbles up. As an experiment, I blew all of them (that's like 18k morale) and hedge. Still died in about 7 seconds without getting a kill. And that's at audacity 7, great mitigations and with buffs (scrolls, token, food). I mean, people playing wargs should be close to the last ones to complain about the state of their class. Not to mention that the hips skill allows some wargs who have no idea what they are doing pounce me solo and run away after like 3 hits. It's actually very hard to get a kill this way. A couple of times I have fought two wargs, got one of them to like 500 morale, he hipses. I am starting to kill the other one, down to 1000 morale, pounce from the first one, and they finish me off. Of course, there have been some successes too when I somehow won against 2-3 wargs, but those were in the r5-r7 range, not r9+.
That was pre-ROI - up to that point, I never lost a 1v1 on this server, never was I taken down by a single creep without help of some kind.
After ROI and for the months I stayed afterwards, several low skilled players (mainly from the new plethora of BA's at the time) beat me and every other warden easily, the warden class was simply broken and I began to see why others were really complaining all that time.
Also I've noticed a marked drop in bad-attitude trolling lately which is a very good thing.
& as to the thread, I don't understand the point. At EVERY point in this game you could of been 3-shotted or less. Hell, Lbf was 1shotting people for a month prior to U6 just for lols. Like it was already said, the audacity gear made it HARDER for the rk to 3 shot you. Same situation prior to U6. I am actually curious to see what rk you are complaining about.. the 4k EC crit is rather low for someone with A1.
So Adino, after listening to you spew your nonsense once again, how about that little 20 man zerg on my rank 5 defiler? You know, the one where your puppet Silvers had the relic, you guys jumped out of TR, mounted, chased me all the way to Goldies, then zergged me? But you are right...Im glad that you were calling out in GLFF for more freeps to raid a map blue, when the creeps that were on were wanting to fight. Get a clue old man, your a virus, a disease, you spread it among the green freeps, leaving them paralyzed and hypnotized by the failness in your eyes.
Its no wonder why they cant act on their own...this is the moors you teach them. PVE, take the map, log so you dont die. Ive seen scrubs here come and go...try the latter.
DF is easily usable in the Moors and it happens all the time.
Hobbit flop to DF.
Run and LOS to get OOC and use it.
Stun/Fear/Trap/Slow and run getting far enough away to OOC and use it.
In a larger GvG scenario when the tide turns and freep defeat is imminent, it's easy to run to the back of the freep group, letting their bodies slow the creeps so said hunter can get OOC and use it before the creeps get to him/her.
It takes a little extra effort than simply mashing the button in combat, but is completely doable and a fairly common occurrence. It's no different than people on either side who do these very things to horse up/port out/map out and avoid a death.
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thanks for the lol adino. Anyway, it was a nice little "stop n'chat" with y'all yesterday and today while i checked out update 6. Some things never change...Dracko using LS to actually fight and Otdannon running from a fight...saw it all today. This game is broken in many ways that i can't bring myself to renew my sub. I'm taking my money elsewhere...GW2 beta was lookin good, and SWTOR can satisfy my pvp itch for now. I can take imbalanced classes as long as there is some structure, a la swtor...but here, there's imbalance and no structure, blah.
You lost all validity to your statement when you started trashing Dracko! That guy never backs down, no matter how many are swinging away at him. He has saved my dwarfie ### countless times by jumping in when I was fighting 4,5,6 on 1!
I'd say that my build should be equivalent to a R13-14 creep instead.
I liked how you made it sound like you roll around the moors solo tearing everything up. Guess popping every cooldown you have including man heal against r4's makes it that way. You lost to my warg who is r7( you know, half of the strength of your champ since he should be on par with a r13/14) a month ago, when you had A5+ and I had A2. You didn't even bother to try to fight my spider(From r7-r9), you would run for 1shots or npcs.
You lost all validity to your statement when you started trashing Dracko! That guy never backs down, no matter how many are swinging away at him. He has saved my dwarfie ### countless times by jumping in when I was fighting 4,5,6 on 1!
You misunderstand. He was praising Dracko.
Originally Posted by couillon
Some things never change...Dracko using LS to actually fight and Otdannon running from a fight...saw it all today.
It's pretty much the responsibility of everyone involved to contribute to "good" pvp at this point. I have a hard time sympathizing with one side or the other right now. I see the same complaints mirror each other no matter if I play freep or creep. So if you guys want change, then lead by example. Don't call Silvers out for taking keeps with the relic and group zerging creeps when I'm witnessing a creep group do the same exact thing right now. Don't call creep out for being cowards and sitting in keeps, when freeps amass by the double digits to mow them down. I'm with Tuman on this one, I wish I could play the Delving side and just kill all of you.
It's pretty much the responsibility of everyone involved to contribute to "good" pvp at this point. I have a hard time sympathizing with one side or the other right now. I see the same complaints mirror each other no matter if I play freep or creep. So if you guys want change, then lead by example. Don't call Silvers out for taking keeps with the relic and group zerging creeps when I'm witnessing a creep group do the same exact thing right now. Don't call creep out for being cowards and sitting in keeps, when freeps amass by the double digits to mow them down. I'm with Tuman on this one, I wish I could play the Delving side and just kill all of you.
Agreed. It's always been that way, but it does seem to be getting worse recently.
I think a big part of the problem is generalizing and denial. Too many people only see in terms of freep and creep, what others do while denying their own actions, when it should be about specific players. I know often when a certain creep complains about freep behavior or vice versa, the person complaining isn't one to normally partake in that kind of behavior, yet the rebuttal is always well "blah blah creeps/freeps do it too." That's nice, but does the creep/freep you are speaking to do it? Both sides at a glance are guilty of the same thing, however, not every player is. That's what matters.
If Silvers or any freep does that to you, go ahead and call him out. If a creep is doing it, call him out as well. Neither player is responsible or the spokesman for all players on one side or the other. But if you are one pulling that same kind of garbage you cry about, don't sit there and whine about it, you got what you deserved and you look like a fool. Sadly, too many people are in denial about this, not all, but many. It's always funny watching known zergers, raidbabies, failbots, turtles, cowards, etc. crying about suffering the same fate they force upon others while attempting to claim the moral high ground. You reap what you sow.
Unfortunately, leading by example doesn't always work out so well. I tend to try to avoid zerging and raiding, mowing over people for easy points, yet I get zerged and raided plenty. There are/were a number of players on both sides like this. This leaves two options, continue playing as I prefer/enjoy or start fighting fire with fire. I haven't changed my playstyle yet, regardless of the fates I suffer. Unfortunately, I think a lot of people are fed up and starting to respond back by doing the same thing, probably because they feel their only options are to do that, get farmed by ezmoders or log.
Plus, I think another issue is with the horrible imbalance between sides. Often times it takes a creep zerg to kill 1 freep. Said freep might cry about this being a zerg, but what other options do underpowered/under-ranked/under-skilled creeps have? Ive seen it happen and there are countless posts about 1 freep or a small group facing multiple creeps, surviving forever and taking one or more down with them. If you're getting zerged and yet surviving for several minutes and especially if you get at least one kill before you go down, you hardly have a reason to complain. That's actually something to celebrate. People need to stop and think about what they see and experience and be objective, instead of making snap judgements.
It's not very hard to know what players take part in what activities. Zerg and show respect accordingly.
I'm assuming you know what it means to lead by example, but just in case no one else does - it means to make an example of yourself by portraying the qualities you would like others to possess.
But doc you made me and Chef zerg an AFK Alsander last month. I insisted we not, but you threatened us. I was so ashamed, shame on you!
Dude you didn't even take part because you were too much of a pansy. Stop trying to claim credit for something you had no part in because you were too scared. Come back when they drop, please.
Lol Otdanon.....you should really take a step back and think about what you said, and how you said it. I was freeping long before you came out here, and was creeping as you ranked up. Youve never changed. No offense, but you hardly have any credibility to say you can take on or are on par with rank 13-15 creeps. My rank 8 warg at rank 6 shredded your bubbled fanny. Now Im at rank 8, you wont even engage me. And on the off chance you do, its in a bubble, DN, and the support of fraids r us behind or usually in front of you.
Now, I understand how having the best toys in the game gives you a feeling of megalomaniacism....talk is cheap. Bring your game to the field, fight like a man, not a mouse. Leave the CD's and I WIN buttons in Galtrev, and I'll dance with you. If you must have the coziness of your CD's, Ill still be your huckleberry. I wanna see what your made of, since all this talk of the epicness of your gear has stirred my insides. Oh my.
I also don't want to get involved into that old debate, but imho you are strongly exaggerating. I don't remember ever being afraid of you. The fight near OC when you were actually at full health and kiting me close to the OC npcs was rather boring indeed. Also, times change. Back then I had less experience and lousy gear - basically no raid items, traits not at max, a badly-treated SA sword. Now I'm close to r10, all traits at 14, full Moors set, maxed-out FA, Draigoch cloak, full Limelight set, etc. That's close to the best gear in the game. I'm only lacking a FA rune & the clasps. Naturally, this has decreased your chances. However, like I've said, I don't have many things I can improve now. So, do you expect any "middle-class" creep (R8) to have equal chances against me? I'd say that my build should be equivalent to a R13-14 creep instead.
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How about this: try fighting instead of running and you might actually get better. Apparently you think PvMP is actually a tryout for the Free Peoples High School track team.
You don't seem to understand the kind of dedication it takes to rank a creep to 13 or 14. It's a totally different animal to traiting and gearing a freep. Just cause you did some raiding and questing and leveled some LIs doesn't mean you're entitled to automatically kill nearly every creep out there, but that attitude is hardly surprising (sadly).
And that's really beside the point anyway; it's not the build that's failing you, it's the skill and guts. You'll never reach the level necessary to take on a R13 or 14 creep if you run from every good fight. You run from me every time and I'm only R10.
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How about this: try fighting instead of running and you might actually get better. Apparently you think PvMP is actually a tryout for the Free Peoples High School track team.
You don't seem to understand the kind of dedication it takes to rank a creep to 13 or 14. It's a totally different animal to traiting and gearing a freep. Just cause you did some raiding and questing and leveled some LIs doesn't mean you're entitled to automatically kill nearly every creep out there, but that attitude is hardly surprising (sadly).
And that's really beside the point anyway; it's not the build that's failing you, it's the skill and guts. You'll never reach the level necessary to take on a R13 or 14 creep if you run from every good fight. You run from me every time and I'm only R10.
I wouldnt run from you! I'd have a swallow carry me away!
I also don't want to get involved into that old debate, but imho you are strongly exaggerating. I don't remember ever being afraid of you. The fight near OC when you were actually at full health and kiting me close to the OC npcs was rather boring indeed. Also, times change. Back then I had less experience and lousy gear - basically no raid items, traits not at max, a badly-treated SA sword. Now I'm close to r10, all traits at 14, full Moors set, maxed-out FA, Draigoch cloak, full Limelight set, etc. That's close to the best gear in the game. I'm only lacking a FA rune & the clasps. Naturally, this has decreased your chances. However, like I've said, I don't have many things I can improve now. So, do you expect any "middle-class" creep (R8) to have equal chances against me? I'd say that my build should be equivalent to a R13-14 creep instead.
Haha, Tbow. I love the fire in your words. Such passion and truth. You remind me of me, once upon a time. My apologies for ever calling you Tebow. Keep calling it like you see it, bro. May yer blades stay wet.
why Dear Flesh? Do I detect a note of compassion in your words? Say it aint so! We'd prefer to remember the heartless SOB Flesh that gave all us freeps our thick skin leaving GV.
I also don't want to get involved into that old debate, but imho you are strongly exaggerating. I don't remember ever being afraid of you. The fight near OC when you were actually at full health and kiting me close to the OC npcs was rather boring indeed.
SO boring popping 2-3 bubbles while trying to kill a half-dead warg. Lies. Lies and slander!
Originally Posted by Otdanon
Now I'm close to r10, all traits at 14, full Moors set, maxed-out FA, Draigoch cloak, full Limelight set, etc. That's close to the best gear in the game.
So Adino, after listening to you spew your nonsense once again, how about that little 20 man zerg on my rank 5 defiler? You know, the one where your puppet Silvers had the relic, you guys jumped out of TR, mounted, chased me all the way to Goldies, then zergged me?
Not surprised, a known zerger whining about getting zerged.
Its no wonder why they cant act on their own...
Most the guys you flame "act on their own" much better than you ever have. For example shannanigans plays his burg leagues better than you ever did, and he doesn't MT against greenies as you have done in the past. Yet you still regularly trash him in ooc.
Don't think just because you are capable of soloing on one of the most OP classes creepside, that you are somehow "better" than most the freeps you call out. You couldn't cut it on a freep either. And pre-u6, you couldn't cut it warg solo-wise as well.
You talk a double standard for someone who plays the most OP class period in the moors. Or does solo snatching a relic and proving to 15 creeps that you cant be killed actually qualify as a challenge for you? You stating I couldnt cut it on my warg pre update 6 is silly. Facts please? mm hmm ok. As far as my hunter not being able to cut it in the moors. Funny coming from your mouth, rolling the hunter and spamming pen shot and BA to get your wins hardly makes you a skilled player. Just because I beat you regularly in 1v1s doesnt mean I am playing an OP class. Means I know what I am doing. Not cocky, just fact there.
My hunter didnt have the benefit the hunters have these days. Sadly, hunters that didnt raid up 24/7 were few and far between back then. I can name three off the top of my head. You just happened to recently roll one, and certainly hold no more or less skill than you say I do or do not have. I seem to recally my hunter playing the same way, day in and day out, not rolling to the beat of everyone else. I played with flair and recklessness, because thats how I had fun. My rating was 698 not because I fail. I rolled with a 1570+ rating for four months raiding up. I just chose to do what I wanted, how I wanted. Suicide bombing was fun
I trash talk people who trash talk me. If Shennanigans has a problem with my words, he will take it up with me. You dont need to fight his battles cupcake I got on him because he in combat branded, hipsed and TNG on me in a known 1v1 circle. We talked about it I believe, and thats that. Since you brought it up, maybe you should tell the same people you defend what you say about them after you get zergged?
I find it highly unlikely at best that someone who was busted farming their own creep to increase their reknown freepside, someone who sits in creep OOC to get locations, and someone who flips more than a mini flops to the side best suited to your gain, can say things and have anyone take you seriously.
Ive made no bones about my feelings towards you, but thats between me and you. Your playstyle sucks, and you think my playstyle sucks. Cheers
And my burg didnt pop MT against greenies. If you mean TnG, thats another story. BA's have MT. And my burg was only rank 6, not rank 9. And I never 1v1d him. Just goofed off, never claimed to be good, in fact....I was fail.
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And my burg didnt pop MT against greenies. If you mean TnG, thats another story. BA's have MT. And my burg was only rank 6, not rank 9. And I never 1v1d him. Just goofed off, never claimed to be good, in fact....I was fail.
When I saw you on my little greenie reaver and jumped excitedly hoping for a fight since every other freep (except Scuppers and I still love you for acknowledging my jumping from your rock!) ignored me while I roamed and refused the easy points I offered at the 1v1 circle, you stealthed up and hid. I kept jumping and emoting, but nothing. Finally, as I decided to give up and leave, BAM stunlocked.
Not only did you stunlock me, you popped TnG against my greenie reaver!
You talk a double standard for someone who plays the most OP class period in the moors. Or does solo snatching a relic and proving to 15 creeps that you cant be killed actually qualify as a challenge for you? You stating I couldnt cut it on my warg pre update 6 is silly. Facts please? mm hmm ok. As far as my hunter not being able to cut it in the moors. Funny coming from your mouth, rolling the hunter and spamming pen shot and BA to get your wins hardly makes you a skilled player. Just because I beat you regularly in 1v1s doesnt mean I am playing an OP class. Means I know what I am doing. Not cocky, just fact there.
Playing an OP class in the moors wouldn't make that statement a double standard. If I played an OP class in the moors while being average at best at every other class, and flamed everyone else for sucking then maybe, just maybe it would be a double standard.
You've said yourself you were fail on your warg. Much like 50% of the people that currently play the class, you were only successfully soloing most freeps post-U6.
And its also kinda funny, you would think a person that knows the class and sees my rotation, would know to be able to even get that much focus to spam PS and BA without intent of focus pots, it would require getting the focus. But then again it's probably been awhile for you. I'd tell you to bring your hunter or burg out and see how you would do in the moors solo, but we both know what would happen and why you don't in the 1st place.
Originally Posted by ThunderbowStormshard
I trash talk people who trash talk me. If Shennanigans has a problem with my words, he will take it up with me. You dont need to fight his battles cupcake I got on him because he in combat branded, hipsed and TNG on me in a known 1v1 circle. We talked about it I believe, and thats that. Since you brought it up, maybe you should tell the same people you defend what you say about them after you get zergged?
You swapped over recently to trash an r1 mini in one of Aza's raid. Also, I brought up one of the many burgs you typically trash, and I'm sure all of them don't even talk to you.
Originally Posted by ThunderbowStormshard
Ive made no bones about my feelings towards you, but thats between me and you. Your playstyle sucks, and you think my playstyle sucks. Cheers
And my burg didnt pop MT against greenies. If you mean TnG, thats another story. BA's have MT. And my burg was only rank 6, not rank 9. And I never 1v1d him. Just goofed off, never claimed to be good, in fact....I was fail.
Then you would think someone that understood how hard it was to play a class despite it being OP back then, wouldn't call others out for falling short where he did.
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You like to repeat yourself to drive home fail points dont you cupcake? lol
I dont ever recall telling someone how I was not happy with them because they fail. Quite the opposite. When the 20k warden sprinted all the way from SOP to GV from me this morning, I talked about how he could improve his chances, and how he had skill. If said warden kited thru npcs, then took off to the one shotters, thats different. I also dont hide behind my words like some do. I got a problem with you, ill tell it right to you. Meh, but thats just me.
Im quite aware of how a hunters rotations work, as are most of the other hunters out there. Your mouse turning pivot spam 1,1,1 (IC) 1,1,(maybe a two if your froggy), fear, 1,1, DB, run away 1. Ive fought you enough to know what to expect on your hunter. Its why I dont stealth before the fight. If your style works for you, well good
If you remember last week, you called me out in OOC that I sucked so bad, and you would spank me 1v1. I beat you. Sounds like youve been doing a bit of what your flaming me about, eh cupcake?
I dont ever recall telling someone how I was not happy with them because they fail.
Lol, I'm sure glff and freep ooc does.
Originally Posted by ThunderbowStormshard
Im quite aware of how a hunters rotations work, as are most of the other hunters out there. Your mouse turning pivot spam 1,1,1 (IC) 1,1,(maybe a two if your froggy), fear, 1,1, DB, run away 1. Ive fought you enough to know what to expect on your hunter. Its why I dont stealth before the fight. If your style works for you, well good
Your right, I never swiftbow, and never burning arrow, the 3 shots you see in the beginning and the bleeds are typically just Peneshot debuffs. You clearly know my rotation, and the hunter class so well.
That would explain why you regularly topple,TS and disarm in 1v1s against the OP hunter class.
Originally Posted by ThunderbowStormshard
If you remember last week, you called me out in OOC that I sucked so bad
Hardly. I got a tell from one of your kinnies about you calling me a fail hunter saying you were going to track me down etc., and I brought most the things I already stated in this thread to your attention.
Can't say I'm surprised. everything you complain or flame about even down to the cds/brands being used in 1v1s, is a direct correlation to how you play your creep/freep. But we already know how big a hypocrite you are.
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I trash talk people who trash talk me. If Shennanigans has a problem with my words, he will take it up with me. You dont need to fight his battles cupcake I got on him because he in combat branded, hipsed and TNG on me in a known 1v1 circle. We talked about it I believe, and thats that. Since you brought it up, maybe you should tell the same people you defend what you say about them after you get zergged?
Was'nt going to comment but
For the last time T-Bow I have never bought or used lotro store consumables, including
Brands! I have a rank 9 brand and that Is all
To my knowledge I have never popped a brand and hips'd and touch and go'd in a 1v1 circle
I popped touch an go I believe In one fight on you tbow In a 1v1 circle, afterlagging for the first 5k of the fight
And I find it ironic you called me out for a combat brand because YOU popped one in our 1st 1v1 at that circle
but at the end of the day It dosn't matter what you think about me!
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Keep trying cupcake the three shots you open up with on me, prior to me beating you, are pens. you swift bow after a DS and slow if you get distance cause your focus isnt up.
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