Thread: Name change for a skill

Devs,

Please change the name of Sudden Defense to Delayed Defense.

While you're at it please change the name of Strength of Morale to Heal Pot with a Self Root on a Crazy Long Timer. (HPwaSRoaCLT for short)

Thanks!

I won't bother mentioning our crafted horns...it's what got Boromir killed...so I guess it's WAI.

Originally Posted by Thane9

Devs,

Please change the name of Sudden Defense to Delayed Defense.

While you're at it please change the name of Strength of Morale to Heal Pot with a Self Root on a Crazy Long Timer. (HPwaSRoaCRT for short)

Thanks!

I won't bother mentioning our crafted horns...it's what got Boromir killed...so I guess it's WAI.

I prefer mildly sudden defence, or "hero-pose before you die"

/signed.
Hero pose just keeps getting me killed.

lol

definately /signed

Or, better yet, remove the stupid thing from our skill set and give us something that does damage. We are DPS after all not tanks.

Originally Posted by dietlbomb

Speaking of skill names, they ought to rename Improved Great Cleave to something more interesting, something that reflects the whirling storm of death the champion becomes when using it. Any ideas?

Demise Tempest?
Slayer Squall?
Expiry Tornado?
Killer Twister?
Deadly Weather Pattern?

Nah, none of those work quite right. I guess we're stuck with IGC until someone comes up with something better.

I guess it's better than the store naming convention: Tier 2 25% Area Damage Increase (30 seconds).

lulz... I was duoing with another champ and he was wondering why I used bubble preemptively after hitting battle frenzy before charging creeps or getting ganked by wargs... two stuns + fear during his hero pose animation made it abundantly clear.

Originally Posted by Thane9

Or, better yet, remove the stupid thing from our skill set and give us something that does damage. We are DPS after all not tanks.

Hmmm, what if SD does different things in different stances like True Heroics does.

Glory - larger bubble or + crit defense
Ardour - AOE hit
Fervour - AOE stun? (couldn't come up with a good one)

Originally Posted by Thorcar

Hmmm, what if SD does different things in different stances like True Heroics does.

Glory - larger bubble or + crit defense
Ardour - AOE hit
Fervour - AOE stun? (couldn't come up with a good one)

or they could fix it.

It's already been posted on this forums, but just in case: you can cut SD's animation by doing clobber right after you hit it (as with every other animation). Works with hedge also, or so they say, haven't tested myself i find clobber handy.
Heal Pot with a Self Root on a Crazy Long Timer on the other hand needs the tooltip fixed (to fix the name, of course).

Speaking of skill names, they ought to rename Improved Great Cleave to something more interesting, something that reflects the whirling storm of death the champion becomes when using it. Any ideas?

Originally Posted by dietlbomb

Speaking of skill names, they ought to rename Improved Great Cleave to something more interesting, something that reflects the whirling storm of death the champion becomes when using it. Any ideas?

Oooh, ooh!

Maybe something like... Storm o' Death! Or Deathy-Storm! I feel like I'm so close!

Originally Posted by Jamers

Oooh, ooh! Maybe something like... Storm o' Death! Or Deathy-Storm! I feel like I'm so close!

BAM ... Ispired by your post I think I came up with a name that seems to be right on spot. How about ... ... ... *insert drum-roll here* ... ... DEATHSTORM How do you guys like it?

Originally Posted by Vodomir

BAM ... Ispired by your post I think I came up with a name that seems to be right on spot. How about ... ... ... *insert drum-roll here* ... ... DEATHSTORM How do you guys like it?

Not bad. I was leaning more towards Mayfair Pole Dance but like yours better

+1 would read again

Originally Posted by Thane9

Or, better yet, remove the stupid thing from our skill set and give us something that does damage. We are DPS after all not tanks.

how much dps do you do when you're dead?

and as an aside, some (quite a few) like the tanking aspect of the champ, I know my (currently) very small kin would struggle to even do the LG dailies every day if I couldn't tank (and many 6 and 3 man runs would never happen). I prefer to DPS, but I also like the ability to tank if needed.

/on topic
yes, delayed defence, almost-saved-my-###-but-got-stunned-half-way-through-the-animation defence, or as someone just said, fix it...

Originally Posted by dietlbomb

Speaking of skill names, they ought to rename Improved Great Cleave to something more interesting, something that reflects the whirling storm of death the champion becomes when using it. Any ideas?

I'd prefer 'Shing Shing Time'

Originally Posted by KhelgarFK

how much dps do you do when you're dead?

and as an aside, some (quite a few) like the tanking aspect of the champ, I know my (currently) very small kin would struggle to even do the LG dailies every day if I couldn't tank (and many 6 and 3 man runs would never happen). I prefer to DPS, but I also like the ability to tank if needed.

/on topic
yes, delayed defence, almost-saved-my-###-but-got-stunned-half-way-through-the-animation defence, or as someone just said, fix it...

It's my opinion that dead opponents can't kill you. I play as if killing them is a race, kill them before they kill me, not a standoff, stay alive long enough to kill them. I think that's a reasonable mindset for a DPS class to have.

As for your kin issues, it's really too bad that you don't have a tank in your kin, but why should that drive the design and development of an entire game?

I personally think with Moria and the mathematics changes that happened with the L50 barrier break, and then the emphasis on "off-type" roles the game's overall feel went down the tubes and has really never come back.

Do you remember combat in SoA? Playing as a Champion was the single best "feel" to a class in ANY MMO that I've ever played, and I've played numerous MMOs.

I'm all for creative solutions to role dependancies, but making every class good at everything is not the solution. Minstrels should NOT out burst Champions, no matter what their spec. But they do. And the list goes on and on.

Bring roles back to the game.

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And FIX our broken skills too...

Normal great cleave can jus convert to a picture of fry's skeptical face
Improved great cleave could just be "hit all buttons for maximum effect"

Both with undertones of being lol'd at because you may be in ardour
Which if anyone really considers it, is still lolworthy as a stance

Originally Posted by KhelgarFK

how much dps do you do when you're dead?

Depends if you have a bleed going or not

Originally Posted by Thane9

It's my opinion that dead opponents can't kill you. I play as if killing them is a race, kill them before they kill me, not a standoff, stay alive long enough to kill them. I think that's a reasonable mindset for a DPS class to have.

Nuts, I've been using a Hamstring --> Rend for bleeds --> Let if Fly rotation while kiting. I need to rethink this whole class now

Originally Posted by Thorcar

Depends if you have a bleed going or not



Nuts, I've been using a Hamstring --> Rend for bleeds --> Let if Fly rotation while kiting. I need to rethink this whole class now

Oh wow, adding in a bleed? why did i never think of that.
That rotation is nice, but I consider bow auto attacks as the main contributor to my dps ^^

Dude, don't joke. With the new Great River crafted bow I can sustain 400-500 dps at range, which is probably more than a lot of not-so-great champs do in melee.

Originally Posted by Thorcar

Nuts, I've been using a Hamstring --> Rend for bleeds --> Let if Fly rotation while kiting. I need to rethink this whole class now

True. I'm not suggesting skills and applied effects aren't important. What I'm saying is a fundamental shift in Champ builds and in particular in Champ development since Moria, that seems to be increasing not decreasing or leveling off. The most powerful Champ builds are all too often NOT about damage but about tanking skills. It's a shame.

Originally Posted by Gylve

Dude, don't joke. With the new Great River crafted bow I can sustain 400-500 dps at range, which is probably more than a lot of not-so-great champs do in melee.

Truth. Many creeps die to my bow when they try to kite these days. Reavers and Wargs can no longer bleed and run off and expect to be unharmed in the process.

Originally Posted by Gylve

Dude, don't joke. With the new Great River crafted bow I can sustain 400-500 dps at range, which is probably more than a lot of not-so-great champs do in melee.

What made you think I am joking?!! Have hit creeps for 1k and more, lol. A minstrel friend of mine jokes around saying they should nerf champ bows or just take them away from us :P Bow kbs ftw, especially the auto attack ones (on the move they are even more epic!)

ROFL at last few posts

Originally Posted by Thane9

True. I'm not suggesting skills and applied effects aren't important. What I'm saying is a fundamental shift in Champ builds and in particular in Champ development since Moria, that seems to be increasing not decreasing or leveling off. The most powerful Champ builds are all too often NOT about damage but about tanking skills. It's a shame.

Kind of depends on your definition of the term 'powerful'. My regular build is an all-out DPS glass-cannon type of build and I feel very, VERY powerful with this build. I can rock Orthanc T2 with this DPS build and wouldn't say that a more morale/VIT oriented build was by any means more powerful in there. I also think that combat feels very much the same as in the good old SoA days, when you build for DPS and not for survival - it's still dynamic and it's still about killing before getting killed.

Originally Posted by Vodomir

Kind of depends on your definition of the term 'powerful'. My regular build is an all-out DPS glass-cannon type of build and I feel very, VERY powerful with this build. I can rock Orthanc T2 with this DPS build and wouldn't say that a more morale/VIT oriented build was by any means more powerful in there. I also think that combat feels very much the same as in the good old SoA days, when you build for DPS and not for survival - it's still dynamic and it's still about killing before getting killed.

I agree. But I feel pretty confident that in PvMP land when creeps complain about OP Champs...they don't mean us DPS redline traited Champs.

Re: bows - yeah, can see how that'd be a huge PvMP advantage to have a high-damage bow, but I was coming at it more from a PvE perspective. Lots of situations where you can't always be in melee where having the new Great River DPS bow instead of Cumaeth equipped means that I can keep up respectable ranged damage instead of being basically useless. 1st boss of RoF during his chopping us to bits, last boss killing venomous spiders (I can often kill one from range with my bow before it even gets to me), Kalbak when tank pulls him away from the group to discharge, Saruman clones standing in purple puddles, etc etc.

Originally Posted by Thane9

I agree. But I feel pretty confident that in PvMP land when creeps complain about OP Champs...they don't mean us DPS redline traited Champs.

Yeah, PvP is a whole different beast, but I don't mind as I don't care for PvP. And I honestly don't want my PvE experience to be balanced based on PvP, as Lotro has never been a PvP centric game. It's all about PvE and that's where going glass-cannon is more than powerful.

Originally Posted by Vodomir

Yeah, PvP is a whole different beast, but I don't mind as I don't care for PvP. And I honestly don't want my PvE experience to be balanced based on PvP, as Lotro has never been a PvP centric game. It's all about PvE and that's where going glass-cannon is more than powerful.

I completely agree. I'm willing to bet Turbine has come up with ideas for improvements to all classes that would be great for PvE but get tossed to the side because it would be OP in the Moors.

Originally Posted by Vodomir

Yeah, PvP is a whole different beast, but I don't mind as I don't care for PvP. And I honestly don't want my PvE experience to be balanced based on PvP, as Lotro has never been a PvP centric game. It's all about PvE and that's where going glass-cannon is more than powerful.

Originally Posted by Thorcar

I completely agree. I'm willing to bet Turbine has come up with ideas for improvements to all classes that would be great for PvE but get tossed to the side because it would be OP in the Moors.

This is all well and good but 99% of fights in PvE are trivial no matter what build/gear/skills/or skill level one has. Basically classes can only be tweaked in PvE based on whatever the current top tier raid is...and that's even more restrictive than PvMP.

IMHO anyhow...

You can actually be feared, knocked down, stunned, dazed and disarmed out of sudden defence FYI
I'd like to request a scream (similar to CBR) when you activate this skill so in addition to the hero pose every enemy around is alerted to the skills use. I like to squeal uselessly while I'm dying.

Regards.