Thread: Rudeness doing slayer deeds

I've been leveling up a new toon on this server and I have noticed a sad pattern.

While working on slayer deeds, ones that are on level with me so I get the full xp, someone level 75 (usually, but not always, a hunter class) will come over and shoot every mob in the area. Including the ones I already shot first. Hence killing my xp (cutting it in half) and making it harder for me to get my slayer deed done.

Now I know, it's an MMO, lots of people around. I get that, but to be so rude as to kill all the mobs when someone else was already attacking them, is just pathetic.

I know also know there is apparently no end content to keep 75's busy.

I know that slayer deeds are needed by all to get virtues up.

I also know that there is no need to be so rude to others that are there first and working on a mob.

I play on another server and didn't run across this at all there.
It is also a very populated one, incase anyone wants to say, this is a popular server so you have to expect that. Sorry, that excuse doesn't fly.

Atleast grouping would be a nice solution, even though I will get NO xp for the kills. Which is sad, that if I wish to get my slayer deeds done on level, then I can either kiss all the xp goodbye or just keep trying off and on for times when a level 75 isn't in the area to steal all the mobs.

At this rate, I can't see playing on this server anymore.

Sorry to hear that.

We get it over on E as well. Although I must say I haven't seen it more than a handful of times in 4 years there.

I just send a tell asking them 'Do you mind? I need those mobs too'. And usually get a reply 'Sorry I'll move somewhere else.' Or 'Oops! Want to group?' Or if I really need to get the stuff in the area for my deeds or character quest progression and get no reply. I either move somewhere else. OR if I think they are purposely doing it. Like every time I run for a mob that has just re-spawned they one shot it before I can touch it. I send a final tell saying 'Please re-frame from harassing me in this area. Or I'll be forced to report you. Sorry. Have a nice day'.

That usually works. They move somewhere else. Still not replying. Or I get a 'Sorry' OR lastly a rude reply. The latter is grounds for a harassment ticket.

9/10 times it comes to alot of fun. I end up meeting someone and we chat whilst finishing deeds or my quests.

If they're shooting mobs that you've already tagged, ask them to please not do so.

Mobs that you haven't tagged are fair game, though. They have as much right to kill them as you do, and you being in the area before they arrive doesn't mean that all untagged mobs are yours. Your best bet is to ask if they'd like to group up to work on the slayer deed together. If that's not palatable to you, I'd move on to something else and come back later.

I agree that it's rude to kill something that you've already tagged, but all the other kills in that area are fair game. Just because you're working on slayer deeds on-level doesn't mean that you automatically have the right to all of the spawn. Is it possible that they didn't see you had already tagged that mob? After all, to an L75 everything in that area would be grey. I suspect a /tell asking them to be considerate would PROBABLY resolve the issue. Every time I've encountered someone else working the same slayer as I am we end up grouped.

I agree with the previous two posts as far as untagged mobs being fair game. This is the only server where I've done deeds on and for the most part have not had issues. If I'm running a 75 and I'm just trying to get one deed done after another as quickly as possible I don't always see someone else in the area right away but normally when I do I try to send out an invite so we both can get it done that much faster. Besides the XP off 450 mobs....well even with a 75 with you there is still some XP to be had and it's faster than trying to burn 450+ mobs off alone on level just for the max amount of XP.

If I'm on a lower level toon, there's been plenty of auto invites to group up so we can both happily continue on deeding. I normally greatly appreciate the company irregardless of level especially since deeding isn't too awful fun itself.

Aside from that, seems somewhat irrational to blame that issue solely because you're on the Brandywine server deeding. We work with the same mechanics as any server and realize the benefits of grouping up and frustrations of getting your exp downed by another toon.

I agree with everything the previous posters have said, but I also wanted to add that Brandywine is the most populated server, which means it also has the highest number of jerks.

I'd recommend sending the guy a tell asking to group. You will get more XP/minute grouped with a 75 and blowing up mobs than trying to kill things alone on-level. 99% of people on Brandywine will invite you to group.

I assume from your signature that your other server is Landroval. Yes, they have a high population, but not as high as Brandywine's. Also, Landroval attracts RP-ers, which are generally more mature. I'm sure Landroval has jerks too, but you won't find them as commonly as you will on Brandywine.

When I got to 75 I had to get slayer deeds done as well for virtues. I'll camp an area until I get the deed done. Every so often players will come by questing and I'll send them a tell to invite once I notice them so that they get their quest done. However, sometimes a player will come that refuses my tells for an invite and they just get pissed off. Well sorry, but I have just as much right to kill stuff as they do. If they don't want to accept my tells for an invite then that's their problem, not mine. Most times though, people will listen to my tells and join group.

I have characters/alts at various levels so have experienced both being the toon killing at level and the high(er) level toon who can one shot. Accept that all untagged mobs are fair game BUT when I'm the higher lvl, I try to operate in area away from lower lvls doing same deed/quest out of courtesy. If I can join a fellowship to make deed easier then I will, especially if lower lvl struggling.

However have experienced a few rude higher lvls who runs into whatever area I am killing stuff to get to spawns first and keep following me around OR keep returning to where I am - even when I send them a polite tell. Also bad when they leave kills which seems to slow respawn time [based on 10yrs playing MMORPGs though not scientifically measured].

Luckily in LOTRO such jerks are tiny minority unlike some MMORPGs where they seem to breed!!!!

Originally Posted by SilverSais

Also bad when they leave kills which seems to slow respawn time [based on 10yrs playing MMORPGs though not scientifically measured].

It has been scientifically measured in LOTRO, and there has never been a test that has shown any difference in respawn time between a looted corpse and a non-looted corpse.

But yeah, I always look at it as the responsibility of the new person to ask the first person in an area deeding if they can join, regardless of their level. Of course, for some people human decency doesn't come naturally, so you may have to give a lesson in consideration and send them a tell first even if you've been there longer.

I was killing worms in Forochel the other day when someone I had *just* run Foundry with ran directly over me on her horse and tagged every mob (Minstrel) in sight and continued to do so until I sent a few (polite) tells. At least they had the decency to feign ignorance of my presence and offered to fellow, rather than be a jerk about it.

Originally Posted by Iyalim

Atleast grouping would be a nice solution, even though I will get NO xp for the kills. Which is sad, that if I wish to get my slayer deeds done on level, then I can either kiss all the xp goodbye or just keep trying off and on for times when a level 75 isn't in the area to steal all the mobs.

The only xp that 75 stole from you was from the one you tagged. Which is annoying, sure.

Nothing else was yours, so a rampaging 75 couldn't steal the rest of the mobs.

The best solution, and one I try to espouse when I go deeding as a 75, is for the 75 to extend an offer of grouping up. (blindly or with a tell. doesn't matter to me as the intent is obvious)

Originally Posted by Frisco

It has been scientifically measured in LOTRO, and there has never been a test that has shown any difference in respawn time between a looted corpse and a non-looted corpse.

Very true, looting/not-looting has nothing to do with respawn rates. I tested it in that tomb in evendim with all the kergrim. Killed two at once, looted one; they respawned at the same time.

Sometimes if im running through killin for deeds i will invite people questing and ask them what they are doing. The effect is usually the same though.

I've seen this several times while leveling a new toon, and it's really anoying. Took me level x3-4 times to complete a simple quest. Brandywine is the most crowded server so it happen more often than other servers. Ask lower level players around to join your group for a short time to get credit for their quest doesnt slower your grinding speed.

In most zones, theirs always 2 + spots to farm a mob, go find another place if you're not getting luck at one. Like they said above my comment, an untagged mob is fair game, it doesn't matter what level you are, each has a right to kill whatever they wish.

Funny thing happened today while deeding in Barrow of Taradan today on my level 19 Rune Keeper (yes I have two on the same server). I had a level 73 kinnie helping me just to get it done faster and there was a level 30ish guardian in there.

Of course my kinnie being the gentleman he was asked this guardian if he was deeding. No response. So my kinnie asks if he would like to join us since we are deeding and we were happy to share loot and kills together with him. The response was "No, I can solo." So to this my kinnie responds that we were also deeding and didn't want to step on toes but it couldn't be helped since we weren't grouped together with him. The guy just left even though we were happy to invite him into our group and he was somewhat rude about it.

The irony? I have a funny feeling that that guy will be going around telling or already has told people that we pushed him out and stole all the kills despite our best efforts to be nice while still playing the game for us. As for the point of this? It can definitely go both ways. The higher level toon isn't always being a bully pushing people out. Perhaps this guardian misinterpreted what my kinnie was saying? Who knows.

You know, GW2 doesn't have this problem...

Just sayin

I don't see why the onus should be on the shoulders of the higher level character to extend the offer of fellowship. It's not as if level=player age and it's some sort of respect for elders sort of thing. If someone is somewhere and they look to be deeding, and you come along later, just ask if you can join.

Originally Posted by Stevo6

You know, GW2 doesn't have this problem...

Just sayin

It may not have the problem but it also doesn't have my interest.

Originally Posted by Frisco

I don't see why the onus should be on the shoulders of the higher level character to extend the offer of fellowship. It's not as if level=player age and it's some sort of respect for elders sort of thing. If someone is somewhere and they look to be deeding, and you come along later, just ask if you can join.

Simple, its on the 75 because I barely play anything but my Captain.

But seriously, just somebody needs to put forth the effort

Originally Posted by Omen_Kaizer

Simple, its on the 75 because I barely play anything but my Captain.

But seriously, just somebody needs to put forth the effort

Not to be mean, but you're only 1 player out of thousands.

Personally, if I'm in an area first on a L75, I'll only extend a fellowship offer to people who come in later if it makes a noticeable difference in my progress. But that's because I prefer to stay on my own routes (kills only count within 90 meters, so you have to stick together) and having to roll on possible rep items is a step I don't like. If someone asks to join me, though, I'll always accept.

Originally Posted by Frieja

I agree with everything the previous posters have said, but I also wanted to add that Brandywine is the most populated server, which means it also has the highest number of jerks.

I'd recommend sending the guy a tell asking to group. You will get more XP/minute grouped with a 75 and blowing up mobs than trying to kill things alone on-level. 99% of people on Brandywine will invite you to group.

I assume from your signature that your other server is Landroval. Yes, they have a high population, but not as high as Brandywine's. Also, Landroval attracts RP-ers, which are generally more mature. I'm sure Landroval has jerks too, but you won't find them as commonly as you will on Brandywine.

Good call. I've been rogue invited on BW countless times. Even if I am literally just running through an area. Ha ha. Community is great on BW but that just means tons more room for jerks. I see them all the time. My only advice to the OP would be to send a tell and ask if they want to group up for a bit. I've been in many full Fellowships to do slayer deeds from doing this. Moria Worm Slayer Deed is a good example. Don't know how many times I saw dozens of players grouped up doing this. It will go alot quicker then doing it solo and you will still get a nice chunk of XP.

I have ended up having a lot of fun during random slayer deed pugs. It can definitely go both ways. I will always help if I have the time.