Thread: Where has the lub gone?

Originally Posted by Reapor

Stoff, I`m sure Narg will agree this is not a vendetta, you are not the only Creep using a bugged Pot (exploit) but you are the main person shouting about ppl cheating (freeps) when actually none of them are using a bugged anything , just the skills and store items that Turbine gave them.

I`m sure if Hamstring became bugged, even just a little, then Champs would indeed still use it, but then there would be a creep outcry about Cheats and exploiters, as there always is when a freep gains an advantage. As at this moment in time Freeps are being called cheaters and exploiters because of legitimate skills, so do not tell me it would be otherwise on some Exploit, no matter how minor.

Lets face it Creeps have always moaned about legitimate skills being Cheats, I`ll give you 2 examples

1. Hunter DF, this was removed in combat due to the complaining from Creeps that Hunters were cheating Creeps out of infamy, a legitimate skill on a 30 min CD that is now barred from use.

2. HeartSeeker, Creeps whined so much about this legitimate skill that there is now a huge neon cross warning all and sundry they are being targetted, another legitimate skill made useless, as any good Creep will just LOS and get away.

I remember when Creeps could get into GV, I actually mapped in and got killed instantly by 3 Reavers, obviously I retreated only to be killed again, as they were on the spawn point, when Freeps moaned about this, the response from CreepWorld was `tough get on with it, stop whining` and the Creeps kept killing Freeps in GV until the barrier was put back.

Now I will use your argument, this was a HUGE Exploit and so are we justified in using any we find ??, no, as I have said previously, just because someone exploited yesterday, dosn`t make it a reason to exploit today.

But as I previously stated, I really dont know what you are calling an Exploit or a Cheat on Freepside, please explain how someone using a Skill or Store Item is cheating, unfair maybe, OP for some classes, certainly, but cheating and exploiting, I think not, at the moment only Creeps are guilty of that, no matter how tiny the Exploit, its still an exploit.

As I said Stoff, I`m not on a vendetta, I like some of the stuff you put on the Forum, but you cannot possibly justify Exploiting because someone else did it, nor can you exploit because its only a little exploit.

That's an awful lot of generalising.... Creeps aren't 1 person with 1 voice. I'm sure 1 guy felt and meant all that, but the community didn't.

What has DF, HS and GV got to do with anything? GV was an exploit, indeed, but you would have to go through a lot to get there and you would probably die when you got there once the freeps saw you.


You continue to ignore my 4 arguments that show fapping/tricking is not the same as SI pot bug.

Originally Posted by Ascahil

Could... Not... Resist...
Carry on gentlemen.

Simple but elegant mistakes, they will make people famous.

Originally Posted by Enska

+ Hamstring is a skill not a pot, difference?

I don't fail to comment Stoff, I don't bother to, cause you have no leg to stand on, I don't have to comment on them.

And there goes the validity of your posts. If you don't have any counter arguments to my well reasoned and good arguments, you don't have a case and are obviously only here to troll me.


Hamstring is a major part of your gameplay, as is the SI pot for me. See the similarity? Not using the SI pot would have the same effect on me as not using Hamstring would have for you. And you would keep using Hamstring, hypocrite.


Go troll someone else, please.

Originally Posted by stoffi

Let's say Hamstring was bugged, Nargai. Hamstring would in SOME cases give an effect could sometimes influence the combat slightly. Would you stop using Hamstring, one of your main skills which really can be the difference between life and death?

The obvious answer is no. I don't believe you would use it more, I don't believe you would use it less.


You fail to comment my arguments!

I'll respond when you do, this just sounds like a pathetic vendetta to me. SI pot has NOTHING to do with fapping and tricking, an exploit you would have to actively seek out in order to get an INSANELY GREAT effect. No one used tricking or fapping before or after the bug was there.


Also, don't draug Draug into this. As me, Draug is an honest guy and I'm betting that he had no idea that the pot is slightly bugged because the bug is so small that it's neither of us have noticed it in game. I've been playing for a month straight now, never noticing the bug. I was made aware of it earlier, but forgot about it because it was so minor.

Stoff, I`m sure Narg will agree this is not a vendetta, you are not the only Creep using a bugged Pot (exploit) but you are the main person shouting about ppl cheating (freeps) when actually none of them are using a bugged anything , just the skills and store items that Turbine gave them.

I`m sure if Hamstring became bugged, even just a little, then Champs would indeed still use it, but then there would be a creep outcry about Cheats and exploiters, as there always is when a freep gains an advantage. As at this moment in time Freeps are being called cheaters and exploiters because of legitimate skills, so do not tell me it would be otherwise on some Exploit, no matter how minor.

Lets face it Creeps have always moaned about legitimate skills being Cheats, I`ll give you 2 examples

1. Hunter DF, this was removed in combat due to the complaining from Creeps that Hunters were cheating Creeps out of infamy, a legitimate skill on a 30 min CD that is now barred from use.

2. HeartSeeker, Creeps whined so much about this legitimate skill that there is now a huge neon cross warning all and sundry they are being targetted, another legitimate skill made useless, as any good Creep will just LOS and get away.

I remember when Creeps could get into GV, I actually mapped in and got killed instantly by 3 Reavers, obviously I retreated only to be killed again, as they were on the spawn point, when Freeps moaned about this, the response from CreepWorld was `tough get on with it, stop whining` and the Creeps kept killing Freeps in GV until the barrier was put back.

Now I will use your argument, this was a HUGE Exploit and so are we justified in using any we find ??, no, as I have said previously, just because someone exploited yesterday, dosn`t make it a reason to exploit today.

But as I previously stated, I really dont know what you are calling an Exploit or a Cheat on Freepside, please explain how someone using a Skill or Store Item is cheating, unfair maybe, OP for some classes, certainly, but cheating and exploiting, I think not, at the moment only Creeps are guilty of that, no matter how tiny the Exploit, its still an exploit.

As I said Stoff, I`m not on a vendetta, I like some of the stuff you put on the Forum, but you cannot possibly justify Exploiting because someone else did it, nor can you exploit because its only a little exploit.

Originally Posted by stoffi

Let's say Hamstring was bugged, Nargai. Hamstring would in SOME cases give an effect could sometimes influence the combat slightly. Would you stop using Hamstring, one of your main skills which really can be the difference between life and death?

The obvious answer is no. I don't believe you would use it more, I don't believe you would use it less.

You fail to comment my arguments!

I'll respond when you do, this just sounds like a pathetic vendetta to me. SI pot has NOTHING to do with fapping and tricking, an exploit you would have to actively seek out in order to get an INSANELY GREAT effect. No one used tricking or fapping before or after the bug was there.

Also, don't draug Draug into this. As me, Draug is an honest guy and I'm betting that he had no idea that the pot is slightly bugged because the bug is so small that it's neither of us have noticed it in game. I've been playing for a month straight now, never noticing the bug. I was made aware of it earlier, but forgot about it because it was so minor.

I would still use hamstring, but it wouldn't make me a hypocrit cause I'm not crying about double VT's when creeps had it (oh yes I guess that was fair), and now with a bugged pot, and I'm not shouting and calling these people exploiters on forums, aka which might make me an exploiter on creeps point of view cause I use hamstring, but at least I would not be a hypocrit.
+ Hamstring is a skill not a pot, difference?

I don't fail to comment Stoff, I don't bother to, cause you have no leg to stand on, I don't have to comment on them. You use a bugged pot, you stated yesterday and last month you'll keep using it, if you were really all so noble not using anything not WAI, then you would've not used to pots or deleted them, you call it a minor difference I don't as I do notice it.

This is not a vendetta I just think you should get off your high horse shouting exploiters at people as you exploit yourself... that's the point nothing more nothing less. you call store-users and rk's exploiters, while everything there is intended, the pot you're using is not, so you're more of an exploiter than any of those you call exploiters, and sure you can all say you haven't noticed it, sorry I'm not buying it and I'm sure plenty of others don't either, and even if you forgot about the effect you keep saying you'll keep on using it, so you are exploiting on purpose as well, as much as rk's traiting fire with the legacy, and burgs getting the trick range up etc.

Sure there are minor exploits and major exploits and yours might be a minor one, but it would still be an exploit, and for using it you'll still be an exploiter. I think that's all I have to say on the matter, but please stop shouting exploiters at people on the forum as long as you do (just a friendly request)

and that's my last post on the matter as stated before you would try to talk your way out of it, and also stated: you don't have a leg to stand on, you admitted you'd keep on using it, and thus willingly exploit but nice try

Stoffburz is a dirty exploiter, report report report report!
We need to be free from his kind!

Originally Posted by stoffi

And there goes the validity of your posts. If you don't have any counter arguments to my well reasoned and good arguments, you don't have a case and are obviously only here to troll me.


Hamstring is a major part of your gameplay, as is the SI pot for me. See the similarity? Not using the SI pot would have the same effect on me as not using Hamstring would have for you. And you would keep using Hamstring, hypocrite.


Go troll someone else, please.

WHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA good one Stoff, but nice try, you're still an exploiter ^^ bai bai

Originally Posted by Enska

WHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA good one Stoff, but nice try, you're still an exploiter ^^ bai bai

And you're still a troll with a lack of arguments in a feeble attempt "to get me", hence trolling. Can't wait to use the pot on you in the next gank.

Hamstring, SI pot, equally important. You would not drop Hamstring, hypocrite.

Originally Posted by Natako

Posts have already been deleted, so you're missing out on some trolling. ^^


I wish ppl could stick to the case and discuss the issue. Nargai has admitted himself he wouldn't stop using Hamstring, so I won't stop using the SI pot. Vital skills/pots both, and neither would be used to exploit any bug.

This attempt is really pathetic. Nargai has no case and doesn't have any arguments.

Using a skill/pot like before poses no problem whatsoever. Perhaps I should tell Nargai to stop playing champ because he's exploiting the fact that he is severely op? ^^

Such conflict! I remember a time when freeps and creeps alike all stood around, held hands, sang songs, and played Ring a Ring o' Roses together

Originally Posted by Morosi

Such conflict! I remember a time when freeps and creeps alike all stood around, held hands, sang songs, and played Ring a Ring o' Roses together

I agree with Grish.
So guys, where HAS the lub gone? can we also please stop de-railing my thread -.-

Originally Posted by Pelious

I agree with Grish.
So guys, where HAS the lub gone? can we also please stop de-railing my thread -.-

Indeed! Where has the love gone when it's only hate for hate's sake!

Originally Posted by Morosi

Such conflict! I remember a time when freeps and creeps alike all stood around, held hands, sang songs, and played Ring a Ring o' Roses together

Lol awesome Grish, Lvl 50 Greenie, them were the days, I didn`t even have a Hunter then, used to toil in EM on my Guardian, pre Overpower days, still got to Rank 8

Stoff, I lub you, might not agree with you, but dosn`t mean I hate you, we are all entitled to an opinion

Originally Posted by Pelious

So guys, where HAS the lub gone? can we also please stop de-railing my thread -.-

Funny, I thought this was the new ongoing ettenmoors thread.

Originally Posted by Morosi

Such conflict! I remember a time when freeps and creeps alike all stood around, held hands, sang songs, and played Ring a Ring o' Roses together

I wonder how many people that were there still play this game ... i wonder

Originally Posted by Thorebane

I wonder how many people that were there still play this game ... i wonder

Well, I see a Vangdog, a Karmaran and a Legiton for a start. At least three left.

Originally Posted by Morosi

Such conflict! I remember a time when freeps and creeps alike all stood around, held hands, sang songs, and played Ring a Ring o' Roses together

grish!! <3

Meanwhile, where has the lube gone? What kind of thread is this?

Nowhere near enough hate here atm. Much more needed to make the thread even remotely interesting.

Originally Posted by Dilated

grish!! <3

Meanwhile, where has the lube gone? What kind of thread is this?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lub

Originally Posted by Thorebane

I wonder how many people that were there still play this game ... i wonder

Still playing

Originally Posted by Reapor

Stoff, I lub you, might not agree with you, but dosn`t mean I hate you, we are all entitled to an opinion

You lack the trolling bitterness of Nargai.

Anyways, don't generalise too much. You will meet nasty ppl wherever you go but never think that those people represent whole groups.



Also, the very definition of Exploitation is when you do something ppl/you wouldn't normally do to take advantage of something for your own personal gain. I don't do that, I continue as normal and never speculate in it.

Fail troll, Nargai.

Originally Posted by Thorebane

I wonder how many people that were there still play this game ... i wonder

I was there with a couple of champ class server firsts already if im not mistaken and still play :P

I can see Vangdog, Woolf, Corlindel, and Warder too

Soooooo I can see:
Taiken,Legiton,Reapor,Cara,Jed y,Rave,Rty,Corlindel,Vang,Outb ash,Brooklyn,Warder,Karmaran,B lackness,Superthief,Finbur and Gottoco. Not sure about last 3 but pretty sure rest is active (Corl is semi retired afaik tho)

Originally Posted by Retarius

Soooooo I can see:
Taiken,Legiton,Reapor,Cara,Jed y,Rave,Rty,Corlindel,Vang,Outb ash,Brooklyn,Warder,Karmaran,B lackness,Superthief,Finbur and Gottoco. Not sure about last 3 but pretty sure rest is active (Corl is semi retired afaik tho)

Finace (Finbur) is online nearly every day, though not active on moors. You might see him online on his creep Guruk, Barat and some others.

Originally Posted by Thorebane

I wonder how many people that were there still play this game ... i wonder

Gluth and Dharme was around back then though I dunno if they are on the picture. Krink I think is somwhere on the pic since as I recall he had a spar with a freep in the middle of the ring that day. Greater/revenge as well though he was playing a hunter back then before he saw the ligth ^^

Hairy legs - though he was shorter, was in plate armor and more hairy back then

I know I am on the picture but I'm in the background.

Still see Superthief on creep.

Originally Posted by Thorebane

I wonder how many people that were there still play this game ... i wonder

I am not sure I was there... I should have been :P
I have been playing my full five years, and was in EM at that time too ^^

Originally Posted by Thorebane

I wonder how many people that were there still play this game ... i wonder

I was there that day, tho i can't find myself on the picture. Was mostly on creep those days

Just gonna comment on this topic again briefly - not interested in doing the whole thing over again...

Originally Posted by Enska

My opinion matters as much and as little as anyone else's, I think I called Stoff an exploiter by his own logic, not by mine. If burg exploits and rk exploits were in fact exploits then so is this pot...

and why doesn't it compare in severity? being immune to slows is the best thing ever, all you have to do is slow your opponent and you can run off, sure rk dots hit hard, and burgs even harder sometimes, but Stoff prefers to live another day than to die and get a kill anyway so technically for his standards, the Slow immunity pot is more valuable

The next part is about deliberate traiting and accidental using, I think I've proven that it wasn't accidental as Stoff knew last month how this pot worked, so you nor him have a leg to stand on, on this matter though nice try, but I knew what I was posting about when I did Gil, I do my research, thanks for your concern

and yes it is a bug, so were the rk and burg things, and I wouldn't have cared if it was used without knowing what it did, cause you can't depend on it then, but since Stoffi clearly explained his kiting technique and my supreme ranged damage which is more than a hunter does to him when he jumps one in shadow stance, it was part of his plan that I couldn't slow him so he could kite me easily, tho I did not care to be kited

I think I have countered all your parts correctly except for your moral problems with me, which I do not care for, that's your issue, but good try

/lawyered (AGAIN)

Handled yourself well there, nicely done
You have a good point that if the bugged pots are being used specifically for the anti-slow then it obviously is exploiting the bug - but what if it's only used for the anti-stun? Surely we can agree that's the intended purpose?

It's a bit more of a grey-zone to me - everyone knew that rk's/burgs weren't supposed to fire off 5+ skills/sec - but it's harder to be so black/white on this topic.

For instance: a warg uses the pot for the antistun to finish off a freep on low morale and then sprints away 8 secs later cause he gets targeted. The sprint effectively ignores any slow effects on him and he doesn't come back out until 1 min later when the anti-slow effect has worn off. Do you still think he's exploiting?



And uhm... Before peli tells me I'm derailing the thread - what exactly is the purpose of this thread? If there's no purpose then surely there's no way to go off-topic ^^


"On-topic"... what are the odds of doing another large-scale "peace-event" in EM in it's current state?

What is this bugged pot everyone is talking about?

Originally Posted by Squelcher

What is this bugged pot everyone is talking about?

Akulhans pot of Fury I think it's called - gives 10 sec antistun as always but the bugged part is that it also gives 1 min antislow. They messed it up when they added the slow-immunity to the (store)brands.

Thought you knew by now though Squelch - sure there's been plenty of threads on it around the forum

Originally Posted by Gilias

Thought you knew by now though Squelch - sure there's been plenty of threads on it around the forum

Ive not seen any.

Originally Posted by Gilias

"On-topic"... what are the odds of doing another large-scale "peace-event" in EM in it's current state?

I dont think we have enough people playing PvP for a Large Scale event, maybe a small to medium event

Originally Posted by Angdraug

I know I am on the picture but I'm in the background.

Here you are, front row picture of your doggy!

Originally Posted by Reapor

I dont think we have enough people playing PvP for a Large Scale event, maybe a small to medium event

It has always been a way to get ppl to come to the moors actually