Thread: Where has the lub gone?

I love everyone <3

Sorry, it's such a strong word ... ...

I can say I don't hate anyone and ablsolutely not the creeps who still plays this game.

I'd make a detailed thread on the Gilrain community and about the forums and the QQ and everyone throwing hate at each other, the Gilrain community freepside PvE, and PvP, creepside and freepside are going downhill rapidly, because people are like 5 year olds who think their brother/sister has something better than them. But frankly, I cannot be bothered. Maybe when I'm bored on an afternoon when servers are down

Believe it or not, Gilrain used to be as bad as it is now, disrespecful players, insulting behavior, but slowly the Senior freeps and Creeps stamped this behavior out.

Now it is back, and no-one cares, I have never logged my Creeep and slagged off another Creep for something that happens in-game, I have never reported people for cheating, exploiting etc, I have only ever played the game, and yet for the last month I have been the target of a particularly disgusting campaign, resulting in some Creep slagging off my family.

The whole attitude of EM on Gilrain is, in my opinion, at the moment flawed, for me its not about OP Classes, numbers , Rave or Loop, its about having fun with the people who PvP, I quit Creep before MoM because of the elitist attitude of some Creeps (no your not Rank 6 you cant join my group), and now I`ve quit freep because of this latest behaviour.

Its up to the Senior players to keep a sense of decency in-game, because if this behaviour continues more people will leave PvP, the least EM should be is fun, win , lose or get Spawn camped.

Obviously I`ve layed a lot of blame with the Creeps here, but as I said this is my experience, I`m not saying this is one sided, I am sure it isn`t, as players have both Freep and Creep Chars, the behaviour comes from the person behind the Character, whether Freep or Creep.

Anyway, I`m pretty sure people will scoff at and mock this post, have fun in EM peeps.

Originally Posted by Reapor

Believe it or not, Gilrain used to be as bad as it is now, disrespecful players, insulting behavior, but slowly the Senior freeps and Creeps stamped this behavior out.

Now it is back, and no-one cares, I have never logged my Creeep and slagged off another Creep for something that happens in-game, I have never reported people for cheating, exploiting etc, I have only ever played the game, and yet for the last month I have been the target of a particularly disgusting campaign, resulting in some Creep slagging off my family.

The whole attitude of EM on Gilrain is, in my opinion, at the moment flawed, for me its not about OP Classes, numbers , Rave or Loop, its about having fun with the people who PvP, I quit Creep before MoM because of the elitist attitude of some Creeps (no your not Rank 6 you cant join my group), and now I`ve quit freep because of this latest behaviour.

Anyway, I`m pretty sure people will scoff at and mock this post, have fun in EM peeps.

I don't often agree with you Reapor, but what you said is all true. Seems like lotro is turning into another WoW, with disrespectful players on both sides. For example, an entire creep raid ganking spars last night, claiming they didn't intend to, they were just there to kill Feadu. From what I heard, the same happened today with a smaller group (an RG creep leading the group at that.)

Seems everything is crying, store using, and hate. Don't know why I bother even using the forums.

Originally Posted by Thaberg

I don't often agree with you Reapor, but what you said is all true. Seems like lotro is turning into another WoW, with disrespectful players on both sides. For example, an entire creep raid ganking spars last night, claiming they didn't intend to, they were just there to kill Feadu. From what I heard, the same happened today with a smaller group (an RG creep leading the group at that.)

Seems everything is crying, store using, and hate. Don't know why I bother even using the forums.

About last night the raid was chasing feadu who kept on legging it towards lc hs. He could have turned any other way but the raid shouldn't have ganked anyone else either

Ps: i lub you all specially WLs and deffis

Edit: Also Reapor don't mind the ppl that log over to flame let em rage and laugh at it means you are doing something right i get some of those nice tells quite often too and mainly laugh them away ppl need to remeber this is just a game.

Originally Posted by Natako

About last night the raid was chasing feadu who kept on legging it towards lc hs. He could have turned any other way but the raid shouldn't have ganked anyone else either

Ps: i lub you all specially WLs and deffis

Edit: Also Reapor don't mind the ppl that log over to flame let em rage and laugh at it means you are doing something right i get some of those nice tells quite often too and mainly laugh them away ppl need to remeber this is just a game.

When its at me I do laugh, but when its aimed at my wife and kids its gone too far, I wouldn`t accept it in the Street from some moron, and so I wont accept it here.

More hate needed. Not sure how much but definitely more. Oh yes, this should do for starters.....

F2P's effect on the community was not immediately felt.
But it has had an obvious gradual effect. The community here has deteriorated significantly over the course of the last year.

Originally Posted by Squelcher

F2P's effect on the community was not immediately felt.
But it has had an obvious gradual effect. The community here has deteriorated significantly over the course of the last year.

Agreed. Can you find us some soloutions dr. SQ?

Originally Posted by Pelious

Agreed. Can you find us some soloutions dr. SQ?

Peli agreeing with Squelcher. Can't tell if sarcasm.

Originally Posted by Thaberg

Peli agreeing with Squelcher. Can't tell if sarcasm.

Lol I`m wary when Peli agrees with anyone, no offence Peli

Originally Posted by Pelious

Agreed. Can you find us some soloutions dr. SQ?

If I had my way a good 25% of the community of creepside would be chucked out and never allowed to return. Unfortunately, Turbine have different ideas as long as the revenue is coming in.

Originally Posted by Squelcher

If I had my way a good 25% of the community of creepside would be chucked out and never allowed to return. Unfortunately, Turbine have different ideas as long as the revenue is coming in.

well as the years go on, the less people will start playing this game, one for the fact new expansions are coming out which make the level cap rise.

Starting a new toon then working your way up to 75/85 is quite a long haul. I recently started playing a new char and just reached 30 and I look how far I still have to go and I'm thinking ... ouch.

but other reasons are - other games are coming out, I'm sure our PVP will take a hit when GW2 comes out, however imo it's so terribly bad from what I played in the demo some people might come straight back.

Anyhow my point is, slowly the money coming in for them is lowering each year.

Originally Posted by Thorebane

Anyhow my point is, slowly the money coming in for them is lowering each year.

Which will likely result in the increased presence of F2P'ers and a decreased presence of veterans.

About half of the veterans I used to know have gone from the game. I am surrounded by noobs on a daily basis who only know how to ninja invite and buy store pots.

Originally Posted by Squelcher

Which will likely result in the increased presence of F2P'ers and a decreased presence of veterans.

About half of the veterans I used to know have gone from the game. I am surrounded by noobs on a daily basis who only know how to ninja invite and buy store pots.

I know right there is this nub called Squelcher who keeps on rude emoting me i mean where is the lub

Peli u lub me no more bro ?

Originally Posted by Gillrain

Peli u lub me no more bro ?

i lub everyone but i love uruks more

Originally Posted by Pelious

i lub everyone but i love uruks more

And us Uruks lub u bro!!!! <3

Originally Posted by Natako

I know right there is this nub called Squelcher who keeps on rude emoting me i mean where is the lub

Probably went off to the same place your fitness went.

Originally Posted by Reapor

Believe it or not, Gilrain used to be as bad as it is now, disrespecful players, insulting behavior, but slowly the Senior freeps and Creeps stamped this behavior out.

Now it is back, and no-one cares, I have never logged my Creeep and slagged off another Creep for something that happens in-game, I have never reported people for cheating, exploiting etc, I have only ever played the game, and yet for the last month I have been the target of a particularly disgusting campaign, resulting in some Creep slagging off my family.

The whole attitude of EM on Gilrain is, in my opinion, at the moment flawed, for me its not about OP Classes, numbers , Rave or Loop, its about having fun with the people who PvP, I quit Creep before MoM because of the elitist attitude of some Creeps (no your not Rank 6 you cant join my group), and now I`ve quit freep because of this latest behaviour.

Its up to the Senior players to keep a sense of decency in-game, because if this behaviour continues more people will leave PvP, the least EM should be is fun, win , lose or get Spawn camped.

Obviously I`ve layed a lot of blame with the Creeps here, but as I said this is my experience, I`m not saying this is one sided, I am sure it isn`t, as players have both Freep and Creep Chars, the behaviour comes from the person behind the Character, whether Freep or Creep.

Anyway, I`m pretty sure people will scoff at and mock this post, have fun in EM peeps.

Why is it every time you make a post on this forum I laugh at it Reapor?

Originally Posted by Utnac

Why is it every time you make a post on this forum I laugh at it Reapor?

We all laugh at things we dont understand or cant comprehend, I would put you in both of these brackets.

Originally Posted by Enska

and now that this is up, I remember a certain warg, using this specific pot Reapor mentioned. Quite recently, it happened to be that that same warg posted that same combat log of him and me in these same forums....

that pot is not WAI and if you use it, you shouldn't have ever pointed fingers at birdflapping rk's or trickspamming burglars, otherwise there is a word I like to throw at you: Hypocrit ^^

I'm sure the next few posts will be about me standing on a hard to reach rock or smt to wipe off all the memory of this pot that is going about and who uses it, but I won't forget who uses it ^^

so yes pot kettle black, you know the deal Stoff, and no matter how much I use the store and do things that some might consider cheating or exploiting, I don't go about pointing fingers on that pot or even reporting it unlike a lot of creeps did on burgs and rk back in the day. so as you have used that pot you exploit as much as anyone else you call exploiter in your posts, so maybe think again before throwing out the word exploiters in your posts cause since that day you're one as well ^^ whether you agree with it or not you're using what you have been given by Turbine so were the rk's and burgs.

/lawyered

what pot...?

Originally Posted by Enska

and now that this is up, I remember a certain warg, using this specific pot Reapor mentioned. Quite recently, it happened to be that that same warg posted that same combat log of him and me in these same forums....

that pot is not WAI and if you use it, you shouldn't have ever pointed fingers at birdflapping rk's or trickspamming burglars, otherwise there is a word I like to throw at you: Hypocrit ^^

I'm sure the next few posts will be about me standing on a hard to reach rock or smt to wipe off all the memory of this pot that is going about and who uses it, but I won't forget who uses it ^^

so yes pot kettle black, you know the deal Stoff, and no matter how much I use the store and do things that some might consider cheating or exploiting, I don't go about pointing fingers on that pot or even reporting it unlike a lot of creeps did on burgs and rk back in the day. so as you have used that pot you exploit as much as anyone else you call exploiter in your posts, so maybe think again before throwing out the word exploiters in your posts cause since that day you're one as well ^^ whether you agree with it or not you're using what you have been given by Turbine so were the rk's and burgs.

/lawyered

Nargai... You're about as objective and unbiased in this case as a nazi would be if you asked his opinion about jews (to use a stoff'esque analogy).
When you talk about 'exploits' your words hold no weight whatsoever.
Aggressively defending exploiters as long as they're your friends and still having the audacity to accuse others of using exploits that in no way compares in severity. No morals...


There's a difference in the levels of exploits.
What we saw with the rk and burg exploits was bugs that required a deliberate way of traiting and operating to 'function' and it was clear to anyone who used them that it was obviously a broken mechanic. Well... to anyone who could think for themselves, that is...

The bugged pot that Reapor is referring to is the 10 sec antistun pot that you can use out of combat. Along with the antistun it also gives a 1 min slow immunity which I don't believe is WAI.
I'd be cautious about using them since it is a greyzone - but then again: it's not an obvious cheat in the sense that ppl can use it without realizing it's bugged, and also it is a much needed item (for wargs at least) and there is no alternative to it.
I'd recommend not using them if you can avoid it - but at the same time I do understand that it's a serious disadvantage if you can't use them at all.

In short: it is a bug (imo) but only a fool would say that it's the same as the rk and burg exploits.


Anyway that's just my opinion - it's not like you can't just ignore me...



Edit: damn the forums really are broken again... posted this at 8.45pm UK time...

Yup, very broken forums... My post just ended up on the middle of page 2... How is that even possible...

Originally Posted by Reapor

Believe it or not, Gilrain used to be as bad as it is now, disrespecful players, insulting behavior, but slowly the Senior freeps and Creeps stamped this behavior out.

Now it is back, and no-one cares, I have never logged my Creeep and slagged off another Creep for something that happens in-game, I have never reported people for cheating, exploiting etc, I have only ever played the game, and yet for the last month I have been the target of a particularly disgusting campaign, resulting in some Creep slagging off my family.

The whole attitude of EM on Gilrain is, in my opinion, at the moment flawed, for me its not about OP Classes, numbers , Rave or Loop, its about having fun with the people who PvP, I quit Creep before MoM because of the elitist attitude of some Creeps (no your not Rank 6 you cant join my group), and now I`ve quit freep because of this latest behaviour.

Its up to the Senior players to keep a sense of decency in-game, because if this behaviour continues more people will leave PvP, the least EM should be is fun, win , lose or get Spawn camped.

Obviously I`ve layed a lot of blame with the Creeps here, but as I said this is my experience, I`m not saying this is one sided, I am sure it isn`t, as players have both Freep and Creep Chars, the behaviour comes from the person behind the Character, whether Freep or Creep.

Anyway, I`m pretty sure people will scoff at and mock this post, have fun in EM peeps.

F2P, P2W and extremely op freeps have to take the blame.

To see 5 players hold off an entire creep raid + soloers is a lot to take in and I can see how some ppl will explode by the sight of it. If the moors were more balanced and certain ppl would stop exploiting, the moors would be a better place for everyone. P2W is also a factor, and it's usually applied by those same op freeps who hold off creep raids, bringing out even more frustration.


For you, Reapor, it might not be about op classes, but for those who fight op classes, it's definitively about op classes. That is why I left and that is why a lot of veterans left with RoI.

Enjoying PvP, I am enjoying PvP atm, but it is very tough for many because of the extreme unbalance. You're on the op side, so you're not much affected by this.

Try to understand the other side. Who wouldn't rage and get frustrated when they fight a load of cheating, op ********* who exploit it to the fullest, and then come here claiming everything's fine? I'd quit too if it wasn't for all those poor hunters and rks who don't know how to 1v1.

You should be glad there's any creeps to fight at all given the situation. The way certain freeps behave is completely outrageous to me.

Originally Posted by stoffi

F2P, P2W and extremely op freeps have to take the blame.

To see 5 players hold off an entire creep raid + soloers is a lot to take in and I can see how some ppl will explode by the sight of it. If the moors were more balanced and certain ppl would stop exploiting, the moors would be a better place for everyone. P2W is also a factor, and it's usually applied by those same op freeps who hold off creep raids, bringing out even more frustration.


For you, Reapor, it might not be about op classes, but for those who fight op classes, it's definitively about op classes. That is why I left and that is why a lot of veterans left with RoI.

Enjoying PvP, I am enjoying PvP atm, but it is very tough for many because of the extreme unbalance. You're on the op side, so you're not much affected by this.

Try to understand the other side. Who wouldn't rage and get frustrated when they fight a load of cheating, op ********* who exploit it to the fullest, and then come here claiming everything's fine? I'd quit too if it wasn't for all those poor hunters and rks who don't know how to 1v1.

You should be glad there's any creeps to fight at all given the situation. The way certain freeps behave is completely outrageous to me.

I perfectly understand the frustration, but even in my most frustrated times I may have cj`d someone (and then apologised), I never logged over and slagged off someones wife and children.

Also I feel cheating is too strong, most Freeps are using what is available to them, either via thier Class Skills or the Store, this is hardly cheating, for those that willingly exploit, well..thats a completely different matter, and that is up to you whether they are reported or not.

BTW...exploiting is the use of any broken mechanic to gain an advantage (roughly) dosn`t the use of a certain Pot on Creepside fall into this category, not that I care whether its used or not, but its basically the same as a Store Pot, 1 min immunity.

Originally Posted by stoffi

If the moors were more balanced and certain ppl would stop exploiting, the moors would be a better place for everyone. P2W is also a factor, and it's usually applied by those same op freeps who hold off creep raids, bringing out even more frustration.

Try to understand the other side. Who wouldn't rage and get frustrated when they fight a load of cheating, op ********* who exploit it to the fullest, and then come here claiming everything's fine? I'd quit too if it wasn't for all those poor hunters and rks who don't know how to 1v1.

Originally Posted by Reapor

BTW...exploiting is the use of any broken mechanic to gain an advantage (roughly) dosn`t the use of a certain Pot on Creepside fall into this category, not that I care whether its used or not, but its basically the same as a Store Pot, 1 min immunity.

and now that this is up, I remember a certain warg, using this specific pot Reapor mentioned. Quite recently, it happened to be that that same warg posted that same combat log of him and me in these same forums....

that pot is not WAI and if you use it, you shouldn't have ever pointed fingers at birdflapping rk's or trickspamming burglars, otherwise there is a word I like to throw at you: Hypocrit ^^

I'm sure the next few posts will be about me standing on a hard to reach rock or smt to wipe off all the memory of this pot that is going about and who uses it, but I won't forget who uses it ^^

so yes pot kettle black, you know the deal Stoff, and no matter how much I use the store and do things that some might consider cheating or exploiting, I don't go about pointing fingers on that pot or even reporting it unlike a lot of creeps did on burgs and rk back in the day. so as you have used that pot you exploit as much as anyone else you call exploiter in your posts, so maybe think again before throwing out the word exploiters in your posts cause since that day you're one as well ^^ whether you agree with it or not you're using what you have been given by Turbine so were the rk's and burgs.

/lawyered

I haven't used this pot since I learned it was an exploit. Can I point fingers, plx?

Originally Posted by Enska

and now that this is up, I remember a certain warg, using this specific pot Reapor mentioned. Quite recently, it happened to be that that same warg posted that same combat log of him and me in these same forums....

that pot is not WAI and if you use it, you shouldn't have ever pointed fingers at birdflapping rk's or trickspamming burglars, otherwise there is a word I like to throw at you: Hypocrit ^^

I'm sure the next few posts will be about me standing on a hard to reach rock or smt to wipe off all the memory of this pot that is going about and who uses it, but I won't forget who uses it ^^

so yes pot kettle black, you know the deal Stoff, and no matter how much I use the store and do things that some might consider cheating or exploiting, I don't go about pointing fingers on that pot or even reporting it unlike a lot of creeps did on burgs and rk back in the day. so as you have used that pot you exploit as much as anyone else you call exploiter in your posts, so maybe think again before throwing out the word exploiters in your posts cause since that day you're one as well ^^ whether you agree with it or not you're using what you have been given by Turbine so were the rk's and burgs.

/lawyered

The forums must be bugged, my reply ended up further up in the thread.....


As I was saying, what pot? I don't use p2w.

Originally Posted by stoffi

what pot...?

Originally Posted by stoffi

The forums must be bugged, my reply ended up further up in the thread.....


As I was saying, what pot? I don't use p2w.

Originally Posted by stoffi

Thx for making us aware of it... I've been using these pots ever since they came out, very handy against certain classes or when you want to finish off someone in a group. The 1 min slow immunity is a bug I haven't noticed but it won't affect my use of this pot.

This pot stoff, don't act you don't know what you talking about this quote above from 10th of April, and I made a SS in case you want to go and change it

Reapor described the pot fair enough so as I put in my post you were gonna try to talk your way out of it, not this time, you exploit, and are an exploiter as much as everyone else you ever called an exploiter

as I said /lawyered, you can't counter it...

you were aware of the pot and even admit to keep on using it so hey exploiters gonna exploit ^^

Originally Posted by Gilias

Nargai... You're about as objective and unbiased in this case as a nazi would be if you asked his opinion about jews (to use a stoff'esque analogy).
When you talk about 'exploits' your words hold no weight whatsoever.
Aggressively defending exploiters as long as they're your friends and still having the audacity to accuse others of using exploits that in no way compares in severity. No morals...

There's a difference in the levels of exploits.
What we saw with the rk and burg exploits was bugs that required a deliberate way of traiting and operating to 'function' and it was clear to anyone who used them that it was obviously a broken mechanic. Well... to anyone who could think for themselves, that is...

The bugged pot that Reapor is referring to is the 10 sec antistun pot that you can use out of combat. Along with the antistun it also gives a 1 min slow immunity which I don't believe is WAI.
I'd be cautious about using them since it is a greyzone - but then again: it's not an obvious cheat in the sense that ppl can use it without realizing it's bugged, and also it is a much needed item (for wargs at least) and there is no alternative to it.
I'd recommend not using them if you can avoid it - but at the same time I do understand that it's a serious disadvantage if you can't use them at all.

In short: it is a bug (imo) but only a fool would say that it's the same as the rk and burg exploits.

Anyway that's just my opinion - it's not like you can't just ignore me...

Edit: damn the forums really are broken again... posted this at 8.45pm UK time...

My opinion matters as much and as little as anyone else's, I think I called Stoff an exploiter by his own logic, not by mine. If burg exploits and rk exploits were in fact exploits then so is this pot...

and why doesn't it compare in severity? being immune to slows is the best thing ever, all you have to do is slow your opponent and you can run off, sure rk dots hit hard, and burgs even harder sometimes, but Stoff prefers to live another day than to die and get a kill anyway so technically for his standards, the Slow immunity pot is more valuable

The next part is about deliberate traiting and accidental using, I think I've proven that it wasn't accidental as Stoff knew last month how this pot worked, so you nor him have a leg to stand on, on this matter though nice try, but I knew what I was posting about when I did Gil, I do my research, thanks for your concern

and yes it is a bug, so were the rk and burg things, and I wouldn't have cared if it was used without knowing what it did, cause you can't depend on it then, but since Stoffi clearly explained his kiting technique and my supreme ranged damage which is more than a hunter does to him when he jumps one in shadow stance, it was part of his plan that I couldn't slow him so he could kite me easily, tho I did not care to be kited

I think I have countered all your parts correctly except for your moral problems with me, which I do not care for, that's your issue, but good try

/lawyered (AGAIN)

Originally Posted by Enska

This pot stoff, don't act you don't know what you talking about this quote above from 10th of April, and I made a SS in case you want to go and change it

Reapor described the pot fair enough so as I put in my post you were gonna try to talk your way out of it, not this time, you exploit, and are an exploiter as much as everyone else you ever called an exploiter

as I said /lawyered, you can't counter it...

you were aware of the pot and even admit to keep on using it so hey exploiters gonna exploit ^^



My opinion matters as much and as little as anyone else's, I think I called Stoff an exploiter by his own logic, not by mine. If burg exploits and rk exploits were in fact exploits then so is this pot...

and why doesn't it compare in severity? being immune to slows is the best thing ever, all you have to do is slow your opponent and you can run off, sure rk dots hit hard, and burgs even harder sometimes, but Stoff prefers to live another day than to die and get a kill anyway so technically for his standards, the Slow immunity pot is more valuable

The next part is about deliberate traiting and accidental using, I think I've proven that it wasn't accidental as Stoff knew last month how this pot worked, so you nor him have a leg to stand on, on this matter though nice try, but I knew what I was posting about when I did Gil, I do my research, thanks for your concern

and yes it is a bug, so were the rk and burg things, and I wouldn't have cared if it was used without knowing what it did, cause you can't depend on it then, but since Stoffi clearly explained his kiting technique and my supreme ranged damage which is more than a hunter does to him when he jumps one in shadow stance, it was part of his plan that I couldn't slow him so he could kite me easily, tho I did not care to be kited

I think I have countered all your parts correctly except for your moral problems with me, which I do not care for, that's your issue, but good try

/lawyered (AGAIN)

Ah, I honestly forgot that discussion. I brushed it off last the time we talked about it and never thought about it again. I didn't think it relevant. And I've honestly not thought about this in combat. And in the fight against you, I just thought I was lucky to resist your slow....




There is no comparison between this pot and rk fapping/burg tricking:



1. Fapping and tricking were major fight winners, if you used those skills, you would auto win a fight within 2 seconds. SI pots are hardly the same.

2. The use of the pot has not changed. Fapping and tricking suddenly became very popular and ppl abused it on purpose. The SI pot is used as before.

3. Fapping and Tricking required the player to ACTIVELY seek to exploit. The bugs required ppl to do something they would not normally do. No one spammed tricks and fapped before the bugs came, whereas the same is not true about SI pots.

4. Avoiding fapping and tricking was easy and you did not have to break your normal gameplay routine in order to avoid it. If you avoid SI pots, you are severely handicapped.




So, as you see, there is simply no comparison. I've used SI pots from day 1 and some fights are completely impossible without them. Attacking a freep in close vicinity of other freeps requires that pot or you'll be killed by extreme CC the second you pounce.
I don't use the pots more because of that bug, hell, I had even forgotten about it. Leaving those pots would severely nerf my gameplay, get me killed a lot and limit my infamy gain. I'm not using the pots because they are bugged, I use them like before.

So no, I don't see a problem with it, no one has complained about it and you are not either, you're just trying to "catch me". I haven't done anything wrong and I'm not doing anything wrong. Tricking would get you banned, fapping I don't remember but it was heavily frowned upon, no one's talking about SI pots. It's not a bug you actively see out.

Originally Posted by stoffi

There is no comparison between this pot and rk fapping/burg tricking:

Come now Stoff, there is always a comparison, but this is irrelevant, you said you are not an exploiter, and yet it has been clearly proven, by your own words that you use a Bugged Pot to gain an advantage, therefore using a known exploit.

I have seen Creeps use these Pots against me, so therefore your argumeny about RK/Burg is mute in this case, as I play neither, indeed didn`t Draugy also gloat to me that he didn`t use a Store Pot against me, it was this pot, makes it so much better

As I said, I really dont care if ppl use the store, and if they exploit we can report them if we wish (I dont), but please dont tramp through the Forums with a holier than though attitude when you have self admitted to exploiting, the scale of the exploit is irrelevant.

[QUOTE=stoffi;6158882


So no, I don't see a problem with it, no one has complained about it and you are not either, you're just trying to "catch me". I haven't done anything wrong and I'm not doing anything wrong. Tricking would get you banned, fapping I don't remember but it was heavily frowned upon, no one's talking about SI pots. It's not a bug you actively see out.[/QUOTE]


So using a Pot that is known to be bugged and gives an advantage is not wrong, but using Class Skills and the Store is Cheating, exploiting etc, etc, etc........I dont understand how you can justify your statement, okay the Pot mentioned has been in the game a while, but now its bugged, but its okay to use it, imagine if Freep Pots became bugged and had no CD on them, just imagine the stink, I hardly think `but I`ve always used them` would wash.

You keep harping on about RK`s and Burgs, but that is fixed now, you cannot justify exploiting today because someone did it six months ago, otherwise we will always be able to exploit if the chance comes along, with the next bug we can just say `hey, they did it in 2007, so I can do it now`.

Damn I hope Hunters get a beneficial bug soon, you are writing my justification for me.

Let's say Hamstring was bugged, Nargai. Hamstring would in SOME cases give an effect could sometimes influence the combat slightly. Would you stop using Hamstring, one of your main skills which really can be the difference between life and death?

The obvious answer is no. I don't believe you would use it more, I don't believe you would use it less.


You fail to comment my arguments!

I'll respond when you do, this just sounds like a pathetic vendetta to me. SI pot has NOTHING to do with fapping and tricking, an exploit you would have to actively seek out in order to get an INSANELY GREAT effect. No one used tricking or fapping before or after the bug was there.


Also, don't draug Draug into this. As me, Draug is an honest guy and I'm betting that he had no idea that the pot is slightly bugged because the bug is so small that it's neither of us have noticed it in game. I've been playing for a month straight now, never noticing the bug. I was made aware of it earlier, but forgot about it because it was so minor.

Originally Posted by stoffi

Ah, I honestly forgot that discussion. I brushed it off last the time we talked about it and never thought about it again. I didn't think it relevant. And I've honestly not thought about this in combat. And in the fight against you, I just thought I was lucky to resist your slow....

There is no comparison between this pot and rk fapping/burg tricking:

1. Fapping and tricking were major fight winners, if you used those skills, you would auto win a fight within 2 seconds. SI pots are hardly the same.

2. The use of the pot has not changed. Fapping and tricking suddenly became very popular and ppl abused it on purpose. The SI pot is used as before.

3. Fapping and Tricking required the player to ACTIVELY seek to exploit. The bugs required ppl to do something they would not normally do. No one spammed tricks and fapped before the bugs came, whereas the same is not true about SI pots.

4. Avoiding fapping and tricking was easy and you did not have to break your normal gameplay routine in order to avoid it. If you avoid SI pots, you are severely handicapped.

So, as you see, there is simply no comparison. I've used SI pots from day 1 and some fights are completely impossible without them. Attacking a freep in close vicinity of other freeps requires that pot or you'll be killed by extreme CC the second you pounce.
I don't use the pots more because of that bug, hell, I had even forgotten about it. Leaving those pots would severely nerf my gameplay, get me killed a lot and limit my infamy gain. I'm not using the pots because they are bugged, I use them like before.

So no, I don't see a problem with it, no one has complained about it and you are not either, you're just trying to "catch me". I haven't done anything wrong and I'm not doing anything wrong. Tricking would get you banned, fapping I don't remember but it was heavily frowned upon, no one's talking about SI pots. It's not a bug you actively see out.

You say there's no comparison, well that's up to you, yet once again you say you will still use this pot in the future, which will still make you an exploiter by using a game mechanic that is not working as intended, sure it might nerf your game play but I think not being able to birdflap and trick spam also nerfed the game play rk's and burgs had at that point so it's just a sorry excuse for keep using it.

and I honestly doubt you forgot about the pot, I've read once about it and still remember, and I've seen it being used lots of times, even in spars at LCHS (not by you, but by others)

and yea I am trying to "catch you" and I did, cause even if in this particular fight you forgot about the effects, you still say you will keep using it as normal just like you did in the old post which will keep making you an exploiter, and if talking about banning, I could report you and everyone else who uses it, and /bug it each time, but if you guys all get banned it nerfs my renown gain so I don't bother, but I'm just pointing out you shouldn't call other people exploiters as you do it yourself ^^ and no1 talks about the SI pots because it's so subtle, with brands and stun pots and daze pots and skill that make you immune like purge etc etc, but some people know when they being used, especially obvious in 1v1's while as you said trick spam and birdflapping were not as subtle, that's the only reason why it's not being discussed.

Originally Posted by stoffi

There is no comparison between this pot and rk [b]fapping[b]/burg tricking:



1. Fapping and tricking were major fight winners, if you used those skills, you would auto win a fight within 2 seconds. SI pots are hardly the same.

2. The use of the pot has not changed. Fapping and tricking suddenly became very popular and ppl abused it on purpose. The SI pot is used as before.

3. Fapping and Tricking required the player to ACTIVELY seek to exploit. The bugs required ppl to do something they would not normally do. No one spammed tricks and fapped before the bugs came, whereas the same is not true about SI pots.

4. Avoiding fapping and tricking was easy and you did not have to break your normal gameplay routine in order to avoid it. If you avoid SI pots, you are severely handicapped.




So, as you see, there is simply no comparison. I've used SI pots from day 1 and some fights are completely impossible without them. Attacking a freep in close vicinity of other freeps requires that pot or you'll be killed by extreme CC the second you pounce.
I don't use the pots more because of that bug, hell, I had even forgotten about it. Leaving those pots would severely nerf my gameplay, get me killed a lot and limit my infamy gain. I'm not using the pots because they are bugged, I use them like before.

So no, I don't see a problem with it, no one has complained about it and you are not either, you're just trying to "catch me". I haven't done anything wrong and I'm not doing anything wrong. Tricking would get you banned, fapping I don't remember but it was heavily frowned upon, no one's talking about SI pots. It's not a bug you actively see out.

Could... Not... Resist...
Carry on gentlemen.