Thread: Make Get a grip Immediate aka Instant

As what the title says.
Many times its wasted cause i get a big or 2-3 crits and die
The best part is that you dont get the healing but only the CD

/signed, let the freep QQ come, we are ready to stand our ground!

Happens to me too, il die, but skills will activate without giving the effect and will be on cd. Happens to alot of people actually

Originally Posted by Cardal

Happens to me too, il die, but skills will activate without giving the effect and will be on cd. Happens to alot of people actually

Yes tbh the same problems existed with captain Last Stand but was fixed making it immediate

yea i agreeeee

Agreed.

If it makes you feel any better, us spiders feel your pain. It takes about 5 seconds for devour to actually go of, by which time we're already dead.

I would just be happy if they made it so it wont go on cd if it doesnt heal you just as you die.

Originally Posted by Stevo6

Agreed.

If it makes you feel any better, us spiders feel your pain. It takes about 5 seconds for devour to actually go of, by which time we're already dead.

Not to mention drink deep has the same problem to a lesser degree. To make it better it even gets screwed up when CC'd.

So spidys have a problem with this too
I didnt saw any warden to complain if they drain everyones morale when they are near him and take like 3s to actually heal

So plz devs fix it

/signed

Both uruk racial and spider plz .

Yeah, this needs to be fixed.

This skill has always worked this way. There is an animation at the end of which the skill goes off, so there is a roughly ~ 1 - 1.5 second delay. Its the same animation as Imposing Presence, but for a group heal, I agree that for an instant cast on the run skill it should go off immediately, not at the end of the animation. There have been many times I have blown Get a Grip!, died before the skill went off, did not get the heal, but everyone else in my group got the heal. Was very depressing before it got nerfed when I popped it, got crit for 2K or 3K and died after it went off, but before the heal was applied. A lot can happen in a second or so, especially in RvR fighting.

The way this skill worked when it was a full heal that healed 6 random targets, including Command Post and Point-Defense Banners within 20m, and I thought the skill 'had' to work that way in order to figure out which targets to heal, figure out their morale, and heal them for that amount.

Now that that the skill is a group only heal for 3k or 5k morale I see no reason why it can't work the same way as a Warleader's Quit Whinning and Fight! when in Brawler's Stance.

One of these days when I have the hard drive space to do it I'll start recording uploading videos showing the dev's exactly what we are talking about. Things might get fixed a little faster if they can see the problem, as opposed to having 20 or 30 people whine about it.

I've been using that skill since 2007 I think, and I've sent endless Bug reports on it.

I can somewhat deal with the delay issue...i mean just don't wait too long right? Also it's delay is less of an issue in it's current form because you just pop it way early like a health pot.

It's the intances where you don't get the heal, die, and it goes on CD that makes no sense. The other bad situations are mostly adressed by making it group only. I can't even tell you how many times i'd pop it next to someone in need and it did nothing...it's as if it would heal nearby rocks, bushes and trees.

Indeed it takes atleast 2 seconds and i timed it,2 seconds with this massive crit dps are almost a century
back then(before U6 that they did smth to the autoattack and the immediate timing(the one that destoyed reavers too) i could click it and the use an immediate skill(No you Dont) and it would work waaaay faster,almost instantly.Now when i click and then i even try to press another skill its like it wont happen!
I mean i press it...and then if i press another skill(yes im expecting it to work like a pot) then it DOESNT feel like happening and it goes on on the next click i used(meaning skill)

Originally Posted by Tangaar

Yes tbh the same problems existed with captain Last Stand but was fixed making it immediate

The issue still exists. You can still pop Last Stand, have the skill go on CD and die before it activates. I don't really use Last Stand, so it doesn't bother me. I'm far more annoyed by the delay involving the Muster Courage traited heal. The skill goes off...you get the +20% fear resist, but you don't get the heal until a second later...which means if you're cced in that time, you don't get the heal.

Yep, this happens with a lot of skills. Man heal is a big one, champ skills sudden defense is nowhere near sudden, and if you hit it and with the 2-3 sec delay if you get stunned,feared during that time, the skill doesnt even go off. Also has happened with triumphants spirit on minstrel. Pretty much any skill that isn't immediate has the chance of this happening.

Use man-heal, then tell me how weak Get a Grip is.

It's not that hard to pop an immediate skill after Get a Grip. Evade/No You Don't.

Originally Posted by IMAWIN

Use man-heal, then tell me how weak Get a Grip is.

It's not that hard to pop an immediate skill after Get a Grip. Evade/No You Don't.

I know both how they work and man heal..actually heals faster like a second if you time it

And as i said on aprevious post which i suppose you didnt read...I was using get a grip and No you dont and was working faster and safer ages but after U6 they did something to immediate skills and its NOT anymore.
Meaning no you dont always overcomes it.

Signed. Man heal too, no root.

Originally Posted by Tangaar

I know both how they work and man heal..actually heals faster like a second if you time it

And as i said on aprevious post which i suppose you didnt read...I was using get a grip and No you dont and was working faster and safer ages but after U6 they did something to immediate skills and its NOT anymore.
Meaning no you dont always overcomes it.

Yes, man heal goes off faster. It's also nothing more than an hour long cool-down morale pot. By the time the root is up from casting it, 90% of the time you have less morale than you had when you hit man heal.

If you are having problems, just pop it earlier. Don't wait until 1 hit from dying. And if you're getting zerged, don't even bother, you will probably die anyway.

Originally Posted by IMAWIN

Yes, man heal goes off faster. It's also nothing more than an hour long cool-down morale pot. By the time the root is up from casting it, 90% of the time you have less morale than you had when you hit man heal.

If you are having problems, just pop it earlier. Don't wait until 1 hit from dying. And if you're getting zerged, don't even bother, you will probably die anyway.

Im sure you love when your focus/fervour gets ripped away and you achieve nothing due to a stun...

Originally Posted by IMAWIN

If you are having problems, just pop it earlier. Don't wait until 1 hit from dying. And if you're getting zerged, don't even bother, you will probably die anyway.

+1
Haha exactly man!!the point is a single crit destroys it so yo are right

I hate how these skills aren't actually 'immediate', this happens in all above mentioned case, and on warg after frenzy you stand around for 2s while your opponent beats on you. One thing i DO like on WL though, is when sometimes you'll hit black speech or crack the whip and you get CC'd. You get the heal or damage (depending on skill), but not the CD. its pretty great to crit on black speech, get CC'd so you can crit again, use an instant heal, but get CC'd and get ANOTHER instant heal

A similar but positive/negative (depending on how you look at it) bug is when your a WL and you hit skills like black speeh or crack the whip and you get CC'd at the right moment, so the heal or dmg goes off, but the CD doesn't. I love it when I'm in a 1v1 against a class, and i'll crit on black speech, but i get CC'd (with audacity an DR its usually not even a second by the point in the fight) and i get the crit, but the CD doesn't go off, so i can use BS again. Then i will use an instant crack the whip, get CC'd (again for a second), so the heal goes off, but the CD doesn't, so i get another instant heal

I hate how these skills aren't actually 'immediate', this happens in all above mentioned case, and on warg after frenzy you stand around for 2s while your opponent beats on you. One thing i DO like on WL though, is when sometimes you'll hit black speech or crack the whip and you get CC'd. You get the heal or damage (depending on skill), but not the CD. its pretty great to crit on black speech, get CC'd so you can crit again, use an instant heal, but get CC'd and get ANOTHER instant heal