Freeps are too strong in the Moors. Dmg and heal output is too high compared to creeps. Most creeps camp at their own gy cause they have no chance against the freep hordes staying in front of them. There is a simple way to balance it easily. All PvE stuff has to disappear out of the Moors. When a R0 freep enters the moors, he has to buy a class-spezific armour, jewellery and weapon. His strong skills have a much longer cd then in pve. With every rank he can upgrade his gear (stats get better, more dps and so on) via commendation and the cd of his strong skills is decreased. Then the freep rank plays a decisive roll and a low rank minstrel would hardly beat a R12+ reaver in a 1on1 situation for example. I think that could be a possibility to solve the glaring balance problems in the Moors.
Freeps are too strong in the Moors. Dmg and heal output is too high compared to creeps. Most creeps camp at their own gy cause they have no chance against the freep hordes staying in front of them. There is a simple way to balance it easily. All PvE stuff has to disappear out of the Moors. When a R0 freep enters the moors, he has to buy a class-spezific armour, jewellery and weapon. His strong skills have a much longer cd then in pve. With every rank he can upgrade his gear (stats get better, more dps and so on) via commendation and the cd of his strong skills is decreased. Then the freep rank plays a decisive roll and a low rank minstrel would hardly beat a R12+ reaver in a 1on1 situation for example. I think that could be a possibility to solve the glaring balance problems in the Moors.
I'm all for this if i can auto level a freep to 75 and buy my traits/legendaries/virtues from a trainer in GV.
I for one enjoy the challenge of overcoming the overpowered Freeps in the moors.It is set that way because the Freep population would be non-existant if it was an even match and they had to rely on their use of skills to win.Not all Freeps fit into this mold though but there are those that prefer to easy mode things and then brag how great they are in the chats.I for one will never play my Freeps in the morrs as I want to earn what I get and not have it handed to me by the DEVS.
I've been in favour of a rank based power curve for BOTH sides for 5 years. It was almost well implemented for creepside for a time...but they borked that with the store selling skills. Freepside has never been gated by rank but it should be.
Heck, I'd be in favor of a power curve so that the highest ranked toons on the server initiated zone wide messages when they enter the moors. If a R13-14-15 creep/freep was a truly fearsome thing it'd lead to some potentially really engaging and dynamic play.
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Freeps are too strong in the Moors. Dmg and heal output is too high compared to creeps. Most creeps camp at their own gy cause they have no chance against the freep hordes staying in front of them. There is a simple way to balance it easily. All PvE stuff has to disappear out of the Moors. When a R0 freep enters the moors, he has to buy a class-spezific armour, jewellery and weapon. His strong skills have a much longer cd then in pve. With every rank he can upgrade his gear (stats get better, more dps and so on) via commendation and the cd of his strong skills is decreased. Then the freep rank plays a decisive roll and a low rank minstrel would hardly beat a R12+ reaver in a 1on1 situation for example. I think that could be a possibility to solve the glaring balance problems in the Moors.
Good point here. Mini's soloing three R10+ Monsters is far from my understanding of the class.
Next point is, with Audacity on 7 in addition to reduced CC length when beeig CC'ed multiple times (idk how this is called in proper English sry) CC classes loose their place in the game, this is for Loremasters and Burglars same as for Weavers. Loremasters and Burglars can go alternate way and become dmg dealers but what bout Weaver class? Slow on high cooldown, CC kinda worthless in long battles.
Roll a hunter. Get back to me about how easy creeps are.
Sorry dude, Hunters deal like 10k dmg to my little weaver until I get into melee.
Let's do some math:~2k Morale left + Hatchling 3,5k makes Hunter idk 7k with 2k+ hits and weaver with 5,5k and 0,5k hits if its gettin high. Can't really understand ur problem.
I'm all for this if i can auto level a freep to 75 and buy my traits/legendaries/virtues from a trainer in GV.
Sure, as long as I can have the same number of skills as a freep that do similar damage.
You can argue that creeps have twice the morale but that is ####. Buff a freep and buff a creep. I guarantee the freep will have twice the rows of buffs and more morale than the creep. Most freeps, even burgs and LMs have as much morale as a creep. So how come freeps can still do 3x's the damage of a creep?
On Elendilmir there are only about 6 or 7 hunters that are good enough to put up any sort of fight solo. This can be compared to the 60-70 hunters that are renown nodes when caught solo. Whereas the average minstrel/warg/champ can do pretty well. That should tell you something about the state of that class.
On Elendilmir there are only about 6 or 7 hunters that are good enough to put up any sort of fight solo. This can be compared to the 60-70 hunters that are renown nodes when caught solo. Whereas the average minstrel/warg/champ can do pretty well. That should tell you something about the state of that class.
do you mean the state of the hunter or mini/champ/warg?
Sure, as long as I can have the same number of skills as a freep that do similar damage.
You can argue that creeps have twice the morale but that is ####. Buff a freep and buff a creep. I guarantee the freep will have twice the rows of buffs and more morale than the creep. Most freeps, even burgs and LMs have as much morale as a creep. So how come freeps can still do 3x's the damage of a creep?
Sure, as long as I can have the same number of skills as a freep that do similar damage.
You can argue that creeps have twice the morale but that is ####. Buff a freep and buff a creep. I guarantee the freep will have twice the rows of buffs and more morale than the creep. Most freeps, even burgs and LMs have as much morale as a creep. So how come freeps can still do 3x's the damage of a creep?
Most of those buffs are because of the skills, i dont think anyone disagrees to give creeps more skills. freeps can do more damage because the damage % was raised alot when creeps got a little/no boost. Show me a LM or burg with no outside buffs (including food and such) with 9k+ morale and we will talk about morale
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Most of those buffs are because of the skills, i dont think anyone disagrees to give creeps more skills. freeps can do more damage because the damage % was raised alot when creeps got a little/no boost. Show me a LM or burg with no outside buffs (including food and such) with 9k+ morale and we will talk about morale
Compare the damage of the poor LM or burg (CC skills out the butt anyone?) to the damage of a creep. Freep wins. Easily. Especially when a creep has to BUY the ability to do anything but common damage. BAs can only do fire damage. Fire damage? Really?
Compare the damage of the poor LM or burg (CC skills out the butt anyone?) to the damage of a creep. Freep wins. Easily. Especially when a creep has to BUY the ability to do anything but common damage. BAs can only do fire damage. Fire damage? Really?
What exactly would giving creeps the choice of Fire/Shadow/Acid do?
Most of those buffs are because of the skills, i dont think anyone disagrees to give creeps more skills. freeps can do more damage because the damage % was raised alot when creeps got a little/no boost. Show me a LM or burg with no outside buffs (including food and such) with 9k+ morale and we will talk about morale
Don't have p2w stat tomes either. However I do agree that some more buffs for creepside would be a good implementation.
What exactly would giving creeps the choice of Fire/Shadow/Acid do?
Leave your LI on common damage and see how you do. Oh wait, you're a godmode mini... never mind.
As you have a creep you know we have to pay for our damage type. You can get it nigh free for your LIs by PvE, which is what most freeps do in the moors anyway. You are far too used to creeps being 'unpredictable NPCs' to even care anymore. Otherwise you would advocate for more balance in PvMP.
When a freep can battle 4 creeps and walk away with half their morale, there is something wrong. Tell me the Moors are balanced and I will laugh in your face.
Leave your LI on common damage and see how you do. Oh wait, you're a godmode mini... never mind.
As you have a creep you know we have to pay for our damage type. You can get it nigh free for your LIs by PvE, which is what most freeps do in the moors anyway. You are far too used to creeps being 'unpredictable NPCs' to even care anymore. Otherwise you would advocate for more balance in PvMP.
When a freep can battle 4 creeps and walk away with half their morale, there is something wrong. Tell me the Moors are balanced and I will laugh in your face.
So completely avoid the question, mindlessly rant about 1 toon in my sig and ignore the 6 creeps i have. Go completely off topic on irrelevant topics which had nothing to do with my question, make claims about what you think i care about and what my opinion on the moors are.
So completely avoid the question, mindlessly rant about 1 toon in my sig and ignore the 6 creeps i have. Go completely off topic on irrelevant topics which had nothing to do with my question, make claims about what you think i care about and what my opinion on the moors are.
Troll away sir.
Trolling away....why not, minis do it when they are in the moors. I rant about the ezmode of all minis, not just yours. Guilty about something? No, of course not. You make no excuses for your class or playstyle. You have said it before. However, you also will not stand up for balance in the moors. And I did not ignore your creep toons. If you would read my post again you would see I mentioned you DID have creeps so you have an idea about creepside. You just don't care about it and probably use your creeps to get comms for your freep. No, you wouldn't do that, would you? Not that it's wrong. Turbine encourages it. It keeps the freeps playing.
Keep your freep goggles on daec, they look good on you.
As far as your question, freeps can choose their damage type. Half the races in the moors are orcs/uruks. Wonder what most freeps choose? Creeps don't have such a luxury. There are many luxuries creeps don't have that freeps do.
Trolling away....why not, minis do it when they are in the moors. I rant about the ezmode of all minis, not just yours. Guilty about something? No, of course not. You make no excuses for your class or playstyle. You have said it before. However, you also will not stand up for balance in the moors. And I did not ignore your creep toons. If you would read my post again you would see I mentioned you DID have creeps so you have an idea about creepside. You just don't care about it and probably use your creeps to get comms for your freep. No, you wouldn't do that, would you? Not that it's wrong. Turbine encourages it. It keeps the freeps playing.
Keep your freep goggles on daec, they look good on you.
As far as your question, freeps can choose their damage type. Half the races in the moors are orcs/uruks. Wonder what most freeps choose? Creeps don't have such a luxury. There are many luxuries creeps don't have that freeps do.
I am all for balance in the moors, i would enjoy playing out there more. If people have a reasonable idea i will support it. Sadly most of the suggestions that come across these forums are down right dumb. That includes your idea of letting creeps switch damage types, from what i can decipher between your mindless rants.
If you've figured out a way for my to farm comms for my single freep on my creeps across servers, i'd like to hear it. In the end it really wouldn't do me any good since i have all my audacity on my freep.
I am all for balance in the moors, i would enjoy playing out there more. If people have a reasonable idea i will support it. Sadly most of the suggestions that come across these forums are down right dumb. That includes your idea of letting creeps switch damage types, from what i can decipher between your mindless rants.
If you've figured out a way for my to farm comms for my single freep on my creeps across servers, i'd like to hear it. In the end it really wouldn't do me any good since i have all my audacity on my freep.
Speaking of goggles.....
Call them mindless rants if you want, but if you can't handle the truth... As far as ideas for improving balance in the moors, it is incredibly unlikely to happen. Freeps like you seem to enjoy the face rolling you give the creeps. The devs won't give balance to the moors because the freeps would QQ too much, just like they accuse creeps of doing. People have suggested ideas from the pretty good to the downright dumb. Giving creeps a choice of damage type is nothing. It probably wouldn't even effect things in the long run. What suggestions do YOU have for balance in the moors? Besides not nerfing your almighty mini?
And your sig says nothing about what server your toons are on. Sorry, not a mind reader like you obviously are.
Call them mindless rants if you want, but if you can't handle the truth... As far as ideas for improving balance in the moors, it is incredibly unlikely to happen. Freeps like you seem to enjoy the face rolling you give the creeps. The devs won't give balance to the moors because the freeps would QQ too much, just like they accuse creeps of doing. People have suggested ideas from the pretty good to the downright dumb. Giving creeps a choice of damage type is nothing. It probably wouldn't even effect things in the long run. What suggestions do YOU have for balance in the moors? Besides not nerfing your almighty mini?
And your sig says nothing about what server your toons are on. Sorry, not a mind reader like you obviously are.
From your previous two posts you seemed to be trying pretty hard to be a mind reader. My minstrel is my only freep character and it has been for 4 years, nerfs or buffs it will continue to be my only freep.
In my opinion the moors will mostly likely never be balanced whether Turbine desires to or not. The way the system is designed makes this nearly impossible.
From your previous two posts you seemed to be trying pretty hard to be a mind reader. My minstrel is my only freep character and it has been for 4 years, nerfs or buffs it will continue to be my only freep.
In my opinion the moors will mostly likely never be balanced whether Turbine desires to or not. The way the system is designed makes this nearly impossible.
At least we agree the moors will never be balanced.......
Other than the obvious imbalances on certain classes on both sides, if it wasn't such a zergfest all the time, it wouldn't be half bad. But alas it's a zergfest all the time, so most of the skills either freeps and creeps have become useless simply due to stupid numbers on either side.
When a freep can battle 4 creeps and walk away with half their morale, there is something wrong. Tell me the Moors are balanced and I will laugh in your face.
Yeah, the creep´s skill, they don´t have any
Seriously, if you say any freep class can beat more than 2 creeps that are actually working together and have some skill, then you´re wrong
If it´s 1vs3 creeps should ALWAYS win, if it´s 1vs2 it depends on the class combination, some are a real pain, others aren´t that hard
And don´t tell me shield wardens..they are not only harmless with their 0,5 DPS, but also dead once power drain them
Seriously, if you say any freep class can beat more than 2 creeps that are actually working together and have some skill, then you´re wrong
If it´s 1vs3 creeps should ALWAYS win, if it´s 1vs2 it depends on the class combination, some are a real pain, others aren´t that hard
And don´t tell me shield wardens..they are not only harmless with their 0,5 DPS, but also dead once power drain them
Are you playing the same game everyone else here is?
I agree, they should win. But they don't. Check Youtube for all the 'I love my ezmode self' freep videos. I will grant you that not all of the creeps there are the best. I know I am not that good. But there should be some balance where three creeps can wipe a freep. But they don't.
Again, I ask if you are playing LOTRO PvMP or maybe Hello Kitty Adventure Island?
Last edited by Felajarko; May 04 2012 at 09:42 AM.
Don't have p2w stat tomes either. However I do agree that some more buffs for creepside would be a good implementation.
well not thats some good morale you have there, i stand corrected
Originally Posted by Felajarko
Compare the damage of the poor LM or burg (CC skills out the butt anyone?) to the damage of a creep. Freep wins. Easily. Especially when a creep has to BUY the ability to do anything but common damage. BAs can only do fire damage. Fire damage? Really?
there is a reason why freep damage is so much more then creeps, should i explain why or are you just going to do what every other creep does and mock me while crying more to make the rivers in the moors overflow
Originally Posted by Felajarko
Leave your LI on common damage and see how you do. Oh wait, you're a godmode mini... never mind.
As you have a creep you know we have to pay for our damage type. You can get it nigh free for your LIs by PvE, which is what most freeps do in the moors anyway. You are far too used to creeps being 'unpredictable NPCs' to even care anymore. Otherwise you would advocate for more balance in PvMP.
When a freep can battle 4 creeps and walk away with half their morale, there is something wrong. Tell me the Moors are balanced and I will laugh in your face.
the damage types dont make a difference on freep is what i believe he is getting at, as for winning against 4 creeps on a mini, there is something wrong...its call stupidity, minis who care more about numbers then a fun fight. Not all of us are godmode with brands and stuff, wake up and smell the coffee ive been told minis were always hard to kill so why QQ now when all the freeps are OP in the eyes of creeps
Originally Posted by Felajarko
Call them mindless rants if you want, but if you can't handle the truth... As far as ideas for improving balance in the moors, it is incredibly unlikely to happen. Freeps like you seem to enjoy the face rolling you give the creeps. The devs won't give balance to the moors because the freeps would QQ too much, just like they accuse creeps of doing. People have suggested ideas from the pretty good to the downright dumb. Giving creeps a choice of damage type is nothing. It probably wouldn't even effect things in the long run. What suggestions do YOU have for balance in the moors? Besides not nerfing your almighty mini?
And your sig says nothing about what server your toons are on. Sorry, not a mind reader like you obviously are.
mindless, no but its close to it. What your doing is disregarding all the basic information and shaping it to your own benifit, i have yet to see a post or thread where a freep (not trolling) said that they do not want balance. The balance most creeps want is to fight even with every class which imo is stupid. Freeps are OP because of the damage/healing % with more mitigations which shot way up with ROI while creeps got little to nothing. Stick your head out of the dirt and think for yourself not just mimicking what purebloodworg says on the daily troll
Ssupermann: I hate minis, they have satellite lazers
well not thats some good morale you have there, i stand corrected
there is a reason why freep damage is so much more then creeps, should i explain why or are you just going to do what every other creep does and mock me while crying more to make the rivers in the moors overflow
the damage types dont make a difference on freep is what i believe he is getting at, as for winning against 4 creeps on a mini, there is something wrong...its call stupidity, minis who care more about numbers then a fun fight. Not all of us are godmode with brands and stuff, wake up and smell the coffee ive been told minis were always hard to kill so why QQ now when all the freeps are OP in the eyes of creeps
mindless, no but its close to it. What your doing is disregarding all the basic information and shaping it to your own benifit, i have yet to see a post or thread where a freep (not trolling) said that they do not want balance. The balance most creeps want is to fight even with every class which imo is stupid. Freeps are OP because of the damage/healing % with more mitigations which shot way up with ROI while creeps got little to nothing. Stick your head out of the dirt and think for yourself not just mimicking what purebloodworg says on the daily troll
I am not mimicking pureblood. I am talking from my own experience and general OOC chat in the moors. Look in the forums. Creeps are tired of being glorified NPCs for freeps. I don't want balance with every class, just to be comparable with the classes they were supposed to be the dark mirror of. Not all freeps are OP. But there are classes that are ridiculous. If you can't see that perhaps you haven't tried creepside.
Are you playing the same game everyone else here is?
I agree, they should win. But they don't. Check Youtube for all the 'I love my ezmode self' freep videos. I will grant you that not all of the creeps there are the best. I know I am not that good. But there should be some balance where three creeps can wipe a freep. But they don't.
Again, I ask if you are playing LOTRO PvMP or maybe Hello Kitty Adventure Island?
You are probably talking about store branded Minstrels EZ moding several low to mid ranked Creeps, that don´t use Teamspeak
Yes, that´s possible
I am talking about experienced high-ranked Creeps. If they are grouped up and use Teamspeak, have fun trying to beat them 1vs3
Show me 1 video where 3 or more high-ranked Creeps, that actually have skill, get killed by one Freep without brand
Don´t compare branded to not-branded
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Originally Posted by timmyloo22546
Most creeps aren't familiar with the weaknesses a RK has nor the cooldown of their skills...or what their skills do for that matter. Creeps not being familiar with those things are the ones who post the extreme exaggerations of freep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creep when really it's closer to freep >>> creep.
I picked this quote for you from the topic "Quantifying the healing imbalance" as I think it´s not only true in the special case of Healing RKs, which has been discussed in that topic, but in many posts from creeps here in the forum..yours is exactly one of them
I am not mimicking pureblood. I am talking from my own experience and general OOC chat in the moors. Look in the forums. Creeps are tired of being glorified NPCs for freeps. I don't want balance with every class, just to be comparable with the classes they were supposed to be the dark mirror of. Not all freeps are OP. But there are classes that are ridiculous. If you can't see that perhaps you haven't tried creepside.
i have, its hard, im not a high rank but im aware. I would still be playing creepside every now and again but on my server lower ranks get little to no help and are considered nuisances
Ssupermann: I hate minis, they have satellite lazers
You are probably talking about store branded Minstrels EZ moding several low to mid ranked Creeps, that don´t use Teamspeak
Yes, that´s possible
I am talking about experienced high-ranked Creeps. If they are grouped up and use Teamspeak, have fun trying to beat them 1vs3
Show me 1 video where 3 or more high-ranked Creeps, that actually have skill, get killed by one Freep without brand
Don´t compare branded to not-branded
So we cant compare them when they arent using what is available to them and what the vast majority do use? Only compare freeps to creeps when freeps are handicapping themselves or have CDs?
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