Thread: Belt legacies for raiding

Given the fact that dps classes with first ages have huge dps, adding to the fact they need to go all out at the start(or at least very strong from the beginning), i come here to ask if there's anyone else who believe i would be better with cry resist and maybe challenge targets(for instances) legacies, instead of parry and block for guardian's ward legacy. I think those legacies are honestly kinda pointless at this time, i think the block rate doesn't even give me more than 1%.


I would and will do a belt for raids adds(kinda like in F/F where you gotta survive), but for tanking main bosses and aoe, i feel like cry resist and challenge+ would be better than guardians ward block and parry, given the fact how little they give to me.

Cab is out of the question for tanking main bosses, i can't waste block opportunities on it. Would be good for the said "adds belt" though.

Opinions?

Cry resist is always a solid option for a tanking belt. You get very little extra for ranking it up, but the free bonus from tier 1 is solid enough. I don't put any points into it until other legacies get maxed out.

Challenge targets is a pretty straightforward question. Challenge normally gets 3 mobs and gets 2 extra when traited, which makes 5 mobs. If you need to hold more than 5 mobs then you want +Challenge targets. I'm not aware of any place where that seems necessary, but I don't run T2 Tower yet.

I've never used the Ward legacies at all. I just go with +B/P from Threat Stance, a "minor" legacy that for 90% of tanking is better than 2 Major legacies combined. If you want more B/P the Ward legacies are certainly acceptable though.

For tanking the only really required legacy is +Threat. Beyond that, almost anything that's not OP specific might be viable.

I'd take Threat Up, Challenge Targets, and cry resist.

If you get a 4th major, go gw parry or gw block. Doesn't much matter to me.

Then for minors...
obviously guardian's threat parry/block.
warrior's heart morale heal

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Cry resist IS debatable, and i'm not even sure how much cry resist mobs have (and if my finesse covers it), but if this makes mobs resist engage/challenge/fte 1% less that seems worth it to me.

Threat legacy will obviously stay where it is... the other major i have is shield damage, although i don't know if this extra + shield smash extra are worthy...it's not like i hit much harder anyway.


GW block and parry are nice, but i wonder if 600+ and something do a big of a difference...for block it seems less than 1% or around this(since 900 gives 1.2% with my stats) and parry gives me about 2".


Edit: i'm not sure how much % is 600 and something cry resist.... well you know what, i don't really need challenge+ and cry resist might not be good enough for me to trade it one of mine...even if the damage isn't much bigger, shield damage is always good, and i like GW block and parry, even though the difference between having it or not might be small....maybe i'll stick with my stuff:

Shield damage
GW block
GW parry
Threat gen
Guardian Threat block and parry
Shield Smash


Thanks anyway guys.

It took me a while to dig up the current block/parry formulas, but it appears the post below has them right:
http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...ps#post5796452

If you're block rating here on mylotro is correct (8922) than 600 block gives you an extra .88 percent block. Your parry gets a 1.03 percent extra. You'll also get more partial blocks and parries as well, but I don't see the formula for that.

Your belt is really just fine. It might be the tiniest bit better to swap out +Block for -Cry Resist, but I really don't think it would be worth the effort to do so.

I find the most productive way to tweak your character is not "what's ideal?", but "where do I feel I can improve?". If you're having threat issues, look at ways to improve that. If you're having survival issues, look at ways to improve that. If you're okay on both those then you can look at ways to increase your dps, or work on alts.

Thanks for all the tips.

I just changed the legacies i wanted for the ones i like and feel that can serve me for most runs:

Cab Cooldown(don't really have time to use a lot of this on raids, but in instances and such it's worthy and i don't need 1000 power pots in my bags)
Challenge targets+ For certain instances will help...there's a certain use for this in certain wings as well
Cry resist: Yeah, this one is important for raiding, even if not's much(no idea the % for this, maybe 1%-2%)?
Threat gen: obvious
GT block and parry
Vitality.

I'm not really found of having shield damage(yeah i know more damage + agro but), i tanked F/F, lightning and acid(all t2, still haven't beat acid) and i can manage agro as long as the dam resists don't get in the way. Most important is, i like these legacies myself, so i'll stick with them.


Again, thanks for the tips.

By adding CaB to your tank rotation, you will lose an opportunity to increase your threat output(1x Litany or Shield taunt less).
With 5 bags, and 2x full set of armour (DL, ToO) i still have room for any potential -phat loot and at least one bag free for scrolls/tokens/potions and such.

Im using 1x weap/belt set for adds-force aggro and for WF Buff/duration, the other set for melee targets and shield/shield bash dmg and bash/whirling +10%, both sets have -60 G.pledge cooldown. And.. thanks to the Li-Lottery, im forced to craft at least 1x more set/belt with a 6% per.threat passive stat.

(Turbine, this aint fun : crafting 10x belts and not getting a GOOD one). I´m going to start too now, with the s...d lootbox hunt, too many guards out there with a FA75 belt and crafted armour, can not accept that.

€dit : anyone tried to use these at max. rank and can share info. if this helps to increase threat (SingleT and AddsT)

http://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Guardian_Bleed_Damage
http://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Guardian_Bleed_Pulses
http://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Reactive_Block_Damage

The bleeds and the reflected damage do not have an additional threat component, so all threat you'll get off them is the actual threat dealt through damage. Which is, in essence, insignificant even when fully maxed.

Out of curiousity: why no Guardians pledge CD? Together with the ToO armour set I have every 3 minutes a pledge as emergency skill. Together with the bubble from the limlight jewel set it improves my chances to stay alive in an raid alot.

Originally Posted by Erebthoron

Out of curiousity: why no Guardians pledge CD? Together with the ToO armour set I have every 3 minutes a pledge as emergency skill. Together with the bubble from the limlight jewel set it improves my chances to stay alive in an raid alot.

That's a weapon legacy not a belt/class legacy.

Ahhh... Sorry you are right, didn't sit in front of my pc, just read through this to kill some time on my way home from work.
Home, now mine are
threat up 27
Cry resist -600
Shield damage 22%
+313% power restore
+25% warriors fortitude healing
+22% shield damage

threat gen up
shield damage
shield smash damage
guard ward block rating
vit
might

Those are what I use. I've been seeing plenty of 4k and even 5k shield smash hits in ToO T2. I personally don't see enough resists to make -cry chance resist worth it. Not worth it to have challenge targets on main belt either. Anything with enough adds in T2 can easily be tanked with litany capstone.