Thread: Some suggestions for the Monster players' satisfaction

this I posted in the general discussion:

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Turbine, first of all, you have to appreciate that we, who play monster players, are also your client base, we also want something every now and then. Why is it so hard to give us simple joys? I want a few things in ettenmoors/game in general for MPs
1. Mail/vault/share storage system, so we can transfer our stuff at least from one toon to another
2. Another pvmp area (PLEASE!!!)
3. Another MP class: angmarim sorceress would be great since not many feminine classes we have.
4. Your theory/model for the moors is that creeps should always be outnumbering the freep thats why you have given us such pathetic dps and heals compared to the freeps. BUT you cannot guarantee that situation, can you? SO please believe it that its not going to happen, please provide us with some very good, real (not those funny Outnumber buff currently in place) looking buffs, like 20 to 40% damage increase when we are outnumbered say for 1.25 to 1 and upwards. Also, as you have done zoning in the map, so count only those players who are in that zone (like Hoardale, or Coldfells) at that time for calculating the buff. Not all the population afk in grams or questing in Hoarhallow should be counted towards the war front buff/debuff.
5. Allow us to access/visit the homesteads, even if only as NPCs, and even if only inside the boundary of our personal homes. That will alleviate that feeling of being imprisoned in the portion of the map waiting for our opponent to arrive and nuke us.

thanks for reading,
Signed:
~Rathdeath

Originally Posted by Lady_Ash

this I posted in the general discussion:

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Turbine, first of all, you have to appreciate that we, who play monster players, are also your client base, we also want something every now and then. Why is it so hard to give us simple joys? I want a few things in ettenmoors/game in general for MPs
1. Mail/vault/share storage system, so we can transfer our stuff at least from one toon to another
2. Another pvmp area (PLEASE!!!)
3. Another MP class: angmarim sorceress would be great since not many feminine classes we have.
4. Your theory/model for the moors is that creeps should always be outnumbering the freep thats why you have given us such pathetic dps and heals compared to the freeps. BUT you cannot guarantee that situation, can you? SO please believe it that its not going to happen, please provide us with some very good, real (not those funny Outnumber buff currently in place) looking buffs, like 20 to 40% damage increase when we are outnumbered say for 1.25 to 1 and upwards. Also, as you have done zoning in the map, so count only those players who are in that zone (like Hoardale, or Coldfells) at that time for calculating the buff. Not all the population afk in grams or questing in Hoarhallow should be counted towards the war front buff/debuff.
5. Allow us to access/visit the homesteads, even if only as NPCs, and even if only inside the boundary of our personal homes. That will alleviate that feeling of being imprisoned in the portion of the map waiting for our opponent to arrive and nuke us.

thanks for reading,
Signed:
~Rathdeath

As someone who has played a cr4eep on and off for 5 years as every imaginable role. Let me say this. Guild Wars 2

Rat, i agree with a lot of stuff you said there. Espicaly a new map. This ones getting a bit old and same for years. A new map would make the creeps and freeps happy.

& that is one thing i was hoping someone would say. There is no Evil man/woman class. Some sort of sorcerer would be a great addition.
current creep classes: 6
current freep classes: 8



ps. no room for GW here. stop advertising how great of a game it is. this is lotro. play lotro, if you wanna talk about gw2, do so on the gw forums. sick and tired of coming into the lotro forums to have to see gw news or bragging.

Whats wrong with this Saellyn guy?

Seems someone has been sniffing the Danuf glue.

Sally, the offer to lead a creep raid has now been extended to you as well. Come, show everyone what they are doing wrong.

It's clear Danuf won't, will you?

You seem to claim to "know how things work", prove it!

Give us a show, show up creepside, lead a raid against 37+ - we are willing to learn.

Otherwise.........

Put up or shut up.

I'd honestly like to understand the request for a new map.

Currently the existing map isn't utalized. Why would anyone think a new map would be any different?

A new "STAB" would arise based on some sort of position on the map providing some level of fall back from both sides (although since U6 NPCs are a false sense of security since both sides are virtually immune to them-they need to scale npcs with audacity in mind ASAP).

A new fightclub area would arise based on some sort of position on the map providing quick and easy run backs.

The same push-pull dynamics would occur over whichever npc/keep type locations they'd implement. In fact this newish trend of zergrushing the keeps just to kill a solo then jumping out and running off the npcs would likely continue as well.

New gank locations would pop up where players DESPERATE for a fight that isn't a zergball would prowl looking for anyone grinding quests for commedations (don't forget the comm grind is not only going to continue, but escalate as time goes on)

It'd be the EXACT same stuff, just different hills and different trees.

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My suggestion?

Don't waste time/effort on a new zone. FIX THE CURRENT ZONE.

1. Fix the performance. This lag and hitching is unplayable and should be Turbine's #1 focus, otherwise they're a totally irresponsible and terrible game company.

2. Implement new mechanics on the map to encourage movement, to encourage multiple groups working in different locations simultaneously, and to encourage multiple forms of play. (I could list 20 ideas off the top of my head here but I'll restrain myself for now.

3. Fix the distance bug, tweak the renown/infamy calculation, to enable FINALLY getting rid of the stupid raid renown bonus.

4. Remove the comm grind. Audacity isn't bad in theory but attaching it to a "seasonal" grind mechanic is a TERRIBLE idea. LotRO is NOT your typical PvP MMO. We have very long term progressive goals and those goals SHOULD be rewarded. The comm grind is a slap in the face to anyone who has taken the time and made the effort to achieve those long term goals.

5. Remove the PvMP rewards for PvE. NOTE: There SHOULD be PvE rewards for PvE in the zone, but nothing should give renown/infamy except standing over the bloody corpse of your foe. I believe this is ONE of the ways #2 could be implemented. If there's a reason to be in the zone people will be in the zone. If they're in the zone then they're targets for PvMP. Think ore farmers back in the day...and the creep solo/small group traffic that drove to Isen, then the counter creep freeps that went up there to hunt the hunters. More of THAT. Think of the SOP guards dropping Chieftain seals...freeps would hunt there driving counter seal farmers to go there all the time. It was one of the best things for small group/solo play in ages. Instead of offering similar rewards at other OPs, creepside and freepside, they removed them. And now SOP is just either solo'd for the quest completion occasionally, or zerged on the way to or from LC. No engaging PvMP fighting anymore.


In summary, a new zone is just new landmass with new trees, grass, geometry.
A FIXED zone would be a game changer and could breathe new life into LotRO's PvMP.

Re#4.

I think that theory is pretty much dead...but the lingering pieces of it are still hurting gameplay.

> Creepside has a rank progression still...IMHO this is good...but it's important to note because freepside has virtually NO rank power progression. This presents a disconnect in smaller group/solo engagements. I personally think BOTH sides should have a stronger rank progression. Heck, I'd like to see a Ettenmoors global communication when a R13/14/15 creep/freep enters the zone, because they're so powerful.

> Some creep skills, and I've listed these before, are problematic now that they're store bought or freely granted because they assumed rarity when developed. In rare frequency they work, but when distributed to the masses they become bad for gameplay.

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But here's really my biggest issue. There appears to be no unified direction for PvMP. No vision. No, "here's our approach, like it or not we're going to drive this direction until we're happy with the game".

Instead it feels like the last couple years have been a "Let's try this" "ok now this" type of approach to game design instead of having a direction.

Turbine, Get someone in charge who has a end-state vision, then make EVERY change to PvMP work towards that end.

I think it's a pretty trivial exercise to capture what people do and don't like about PvMP...you clearly have something unique and special that people DO enjoy. But the lack of direction keeps frustrating those same players.

Originally Posted by Thane9

Re#4.

I think that theory is pretty much dead...but the lingering pieces of it are still hurting gameplay.

> Creepside has a rank progression still...IMHO this is good...but it's important to note because freepside has virtually NO rank power progression. This presents a disconnect in smaller group/solo engagements. I personally think BOTH sides should have a stronger rank progression. Heck, I'd like to see a Ettenmoors global communication when a R13/14/15 creep/freep enters the zone, because they're so powerful.

> Some creep skills, and I've listed these before, are problematic now that they're store bought or freely granted because they assumed rarity when developed. In rare frequency they work, but when distributed to the masses they become bad for gameplay.

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But here's really my biggest issue. There appears to be no unified direction for PvMP. No vision. No, "here's our approach, like it or not we're going to drive this direction until we're happy with the game".

Instead it feels like the last couple years have been a "Let's try this" "ok now this" type of approach to game design instead of having a direction.

Turbine, Get someone in charge who has a end-state vision, then make EVERY change to PvMP work towards that end.

I think it's a pretty trivial exercise to capture what people do and don't like about PvMP...you clearly have something unique and special that people DO enjoy. But the lack of direction keeps frustrating those same players.

Before getting in details, try to rank up r0 reaver with no skills than u will whine why there is so little comms/infamy from quests =P infamy/comms rewards should be in place on creep side for greenies, or they can fix that problem some other way.

I want a new map because it would be NEW. Therefore it would bring out more players because it's NEW.

But you know, it finally occurred to me that this game just doesn't have PvP development. It's not that they "don't care" it's that it's just not a development priority in terms of vision.

Ironically, SWTOR has PvP development transparency and candor with their customers. The PvP there is not good (it's not nearly as well designed as Lotro, for example), but they're showing a development path so that their players know they're invested in fixing it for the long term enjoyment of the game.

I think at the end of the day, those of us still playing just want to know what the intentions are for the zone. Do they still plan to have it as part of the game? Is the lack of development going to change? Are we wasting our time?

I was encouraged that two creep classes got nice overhauls recently, so clearly they're still developing creep classes to some extent. But not a word since they launched Audacity and Commendations; and ZERO about future development intentions.

Originally Posted by sarefx

Before getting in details, try to rank up r0 reaver with no skills than u will whine why there is so little comms/infamy from quests =P infamy/comms rewards should be in place on creep side for greenies, or they can fix that problem some other way.

My R4 reaver with all his maps was ranked in SoA. Solo. In fact I killed a burglar that everyone here would recognize the name when I was R3. This is PRE MORIA mind you.

Wanna try and suggest it was easier in SoA?

PvMP rewards should ONLY come from PvMP. If there's an imbalance that exists between a R0 Freep and a R0 Creep THAT is a seperate issue. Don't confuse the two.

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

I want a new map because it would be NEW. Therefore it would bring out more players because it's NEW.

But you know, it finally occurred to me that this game just doesn't have PvP development. It's not that they "don't care" it's that it's just not a development priority in terms of vision.

Ironically, SWTOR has PvP development transparency and candor with their customers. The PvP there is not good (it's not nearly as well designed as Lotro, for example), but they're showing a development path so that their players know they're invested in fixing it for the long term enjoyment of the game.

I think at the end of the day, those of us still playing just want to know what the intentions are for the zone. Do they still plan to have it as part of the game? Is the lack of development going to change? Are we wasting our time?

I was encouraged that two creep classes got nice overhauls recently, so clearly they're still developing creep classes to some extent. But not a word since they launched Audacity and Commendations; and ZERO about future development intentions.

I disagree with the NEW map being a helping force...maybe it would. But I'm not a fan of new just for new sake. ESPECIALLY if it takes even one speck of development time from your second point which IMHO is THE key issue.

PvMP direction and vision. LotRO has a gem on their hands but NO ONE is at the helm steering it to what it could be.

Editing to add: I'm not convinced "more players" is the key to success. I think more players will come IF the game design and vision is solid. But trying to attract more players as a means to having better PvMP just doesn't logically make sense to me.

IF the game is bad because there aren't enough players that's one thing. But I think the pain points in the game currently are NOT population driven. IMHO the more players we've had on Landy lately have made gameplay WORSE.

I think fixing the core mechanics and the game itself will lead to more players. But at that point more players would be welcome and HELP make it even better. But it's cart before the horse otherwise.

You're in the minority, Luc. Playing on the same map for 5 years HAS negatively impacted the PvP population in this game.

IMO, they need to do two things generally speaking:

- Open a new map
- Seriously buff low rank monster players

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

You're in the minority, Luc. Playing on the same map for 5 years HAS negatively impacted the PvP population in this game.

IMO, they need to do two things generally speaking:

- Open a new map
- Seriously buff low rank monster players

An easier, and possibly more fun approach would be to introduce a PvP flagging system and let Freeps and Creeps roam the lands of the entire game fighting each other. That is A LOT of map to enjoy...

Or even just upon up NPC slots in areas Newbie Freep asked to go kill Wargs in Lonelands? I'd love to be one of those NPC Wargs and give him a fight - even if Hithy can't be released from the Moors.

Or take over a Drake someplace and toast freepies up in Trollshaws.

Or something - if just to add variety

Love & Hugs

Fluffy Hithy

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

You're in the minority, Luc. Playing on the same map for 5 years HAS negatively impacted the PvP population in this game.

IMO, they need to do two things generally speaking:

- Open a new map
- Seriously buff low rank monster players

I would suggest the "map" is just geometry. It doesn't really matter if the gameplay happens in the Ettenmoors or in the Ettenmoors 2.0 or in the Ettenmoors 287.0 . It's just hills, grass, trees and terrain.

The MECHANICS are what is stale. The mechanics have led to conservatively 60% of the map being COMPLETELY unused and 95% of the map being underutalized.

When was the last time you had an engaging and fun fight on the north ridge? Or better yet up by the eagle?

Or the entire SW quadrant of the map?

I would suggest we HAVE a new map...we're (we being the community at large, obviously exceptions to apply) CHOOSING to not use it.

Would I be against a new map? No. Am I against a new map without solving for the current issues that in many cases make the current map feel stale? YES.

Again, the population WILL come if the game is good. I don't see the justification for leading more lambs to the slaughter of a new map that is just the same old garbage. More players first would RUIN the game. We need a better game THEN more players.

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As for your second point. I agree. With one caveat...I personally (and I recognize this is FULLY opinion only) would like to see the rank power progression reinstituted. I'd love to see R0 creeps ~ R0 freeps and power scale from there. It's challenging because R0 freeps continually increase in power as new PvE material is released. But IMHO that's the cost of doing business for a PvMP zone.

I'd love to see a game where ranked toons (on both sides) are formidable and targeted accordingly. I think it'd (in a perfect world) be a GREAT incentive for small groups/solos and raids to have those varying power levels at the toon level and NOT just be driven by population counts.

Just to clarify once more, I'm NOT against a new map. I'm against a new map WITHOUT first fixing what is making this map underutalized and stale.

Holy cow did this thread get pruned.... not by some clippers but by a chainsaw with a 36" bar.


hmmm all the things I was going to reply got chopped.... /sniffle

my 2cp, creep or freep the few of us who focus our time in the moors simply aren't worth the devs time to invest much in us. I don't think anything will significantly change /shrug. /em holds breath until next beta weekend.

Originally Posted by kamikazein

ps. no room for GW here. stop advertising how great of a game it is. this is lotro. play lotro, if you wanna talk about gw2, do so on the gw forums. sick and tired of coming into the lotro forums to have to see gw news or bragging.

I forgot I was not allowed to speak my mind here. This game is the cause of people leaving over the years, it is a stangnant area with a DEV team and company that don't care about the area or the players who pay to play there. When the people who put the game out deny the existance of those players as relevant, screw them promote another game that could have what some might be looking for. Not interested in another game? Fine, but I can still promote or say whatever the hell I want to.

Originally Posted by Thane9

I would suggest the "map" is just geometry. It doesn't really matter if the gameplay happens in the Ettenmoors or in the Ettenmoors 2.0 or in the Ettenmoors 287.0 . It's just hills, grass, trees and terrain.

Perception is reality. The perception is the game's PvP is tired and has had no meaningful development in years. A new map instantly reinvigorates the PvP game and causes lots of old players, plus new ones, to come back or join. Mechanics are secondary when the core population is dwindling IMO. Then again, if they want it to die out, they're doing the right thing by leaving it to cannibalize itself. It will eventually.

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As for the rank/power equation. Freeps don't need to be more powerful under the current design. If they made me even more powerful at R13...that would be a really bad thing under the current design. Why? Because right now, a badly geared, traited and played freep is still more powerful than one of equal rank on the other side. The good news for creeps is, most players still suck and pretty much backpedal and keyboard turn themselves around the map.

I see your point about rank meaning something again. But that ship sailed the day they made raiding the preferred way to "progress" back in Book 12 - and years later, today we even have the extreme of granting renown/infamy for...questing in a PvP zone.

Separately, Wyver...I was underwhelmed big time. It didn't live up to the hype for me

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

As for the rank/power equation. Freeps don't need to be more powerful under the current design. If they made me even more powerful at R13...that would be a really bad thing under the current design. Why? Because right now, a badly geared, traited and played freep is still more powerful than one of equal rank on the other side.

This is clearly not true. I have fantastic gear and a R12 of several classes is VERY closely balanced with me and I'm supposedly one of the more powerful classes.

I think you're too used to the OP Mini perspective.

Not all freep classes (especially those who are in their primary line and NOT in their off-spec lines) are pretty closely balanced with higher ranked creeps.

But anyhow, I wasn't suggesting freeps or creeps be made more powerful...what I am saying is that in general there should be a power curve that currently is only half in place...and it's more like half of a half now that creepside has been given so much to buy on the store.

I'd love to see a curve such that R0 creeps are kept pretty much on par with end of the current questline max level freeps. Where R5s are significantly more powerful than those R0s and where R10s are the next equivalent step up. Currently this is partially true for creepside players willing to spend cash. It's totally NOT true for freepside AND for the R0~R0 question. Which admittedly is terribly out of whack.

Start with the R0~R0 aspect...let it flow from there.

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

Perception is reality. The perception is the game's PvP is tired and has had no meaningful development in years. A new map instantly reinvigorates the PvP game and causes lots of old players, plus new ones, to come back or join. Mechanics are secondary when the core population is dwindling IMO. Then again, if they want it to die out, they're doing the right thing by leaving it to cannibalize itself. It will eventually.

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As for the rank/power equation. Freeps don't need to be more powerful under the current design. If they made me even more powerful at R13...that would be a really bad thing under the current design. Why? Because right now, a badly geared, traited and played freep is still more powerful than one of equal rank on the other side. The good news for creeps is, most players still suck and pretty much backpedal and keyboard turn themselves around the map.

I see your point about rank meaning something again. But that ship sailed the day they made raiding the preferred way to "progress" back in Book 12 - and years later, today we even have the extreme of granting renown/infamy for...questing in a PvP zone.

Separately, Wyver...I was underwhelmed big time. It didn't live up to the hype for me

Poor Jayine, I really wish I knew what game you were playing. Maybe you should have gone in a large group, like we did. That was part of the overall experience. The world pvp is like DAOC only better, with terrain that will kill yo azz.

Originally Posted by oninoakuma

Poor Jayine, I really wish I knew what game you were playing. Maybe you should have gone in a large group, like we did. That was part of the overall experience. The world pvp is like DAOC only better, with terrain that will kill yo azz.

Will try again next month but it just was so the opposite of things I was excited about

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And Luc, no offense, but don't go playing the "OP mini" card on me. I'm sorry you have as much trouble with creeps as you do - and I'm not saying I don't have tough fights or lose fights because clearly I do - but the average low ranked creep can't even remotely get close. It's just fact.

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

Will try again next month but it just was so the opposite of things I was excited about

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And Luc, no offense, but don't go playing the "OP mini" card on me. I'm sorry you have as much trouble with creeps as you do - and I'm not saying I don't have tough fights or lose fights because clearly I do - but the average low ranked creep can't even remotely get close. It's just fact.

You were saying the average HIGH ranked creep wasn't even close. And I'm disagreeing.

If you experience something different then yeah, it must be your class. I think it's pretty uncontriversal to say that Mini's are on the higher end of the power curve currently. With Hunters being lower down with Reavers similarly lower on creepside.

I find that R11 creeps (I say R11 to account for half infamy values to renown due to old time gains) are VERY well matched against me. And again, Champs are supposedly one of the more powerful classes, right up there with Mini's.

In fact, the creepside healing classes, if they're spec'd right are near impossible to beat.

My point is low ranked creeps SHOULD have a hard time with people who have invested years of gameplay to their toon. They're low ranked.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, this game is closer in terms of creep/freep balance than it's ever been right now in the current build. Is it bad? yep. Does it have a long way to go? Yep. But it's closer than ever.

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

Separately, Wyver...I was underwhelmed big time. It didn't live up to the hype for me

Sorry to hear that. I went in with very little knowledge just that there was rvr a la DAOC. For me the big question is will it only be zerg vs zerg, or will the small scale combat flourish as well? It appeared that they can co-exist... /shrug who knows. I thought swtor might do it for me, but here I am on a Lotro forum

cheers, Wyver

Originally Posted by Thane9

This is clearly not true. I have fantastic gear and a R12 of several classes is VERY closely balanced with me and I'm supposedly one of the more powerful classes.

Just to point out: there are precisely 8 creeps on Landy who are r12 or above..... eight

*edit* from the next post:

Originally Posted by Thane9

I find that R11 creeps (I say R11 to account for half infamy values to renown due to old time gains) are VERY well matched against me. And again, Champs are supposedly one of the more powerful classes, right up there with Mini's.

I would hope that balance between creeps and freeps would start to appear a long time before R12, as most Creeps will never see 10 much less 12. *edit* what I originaly wrote still applies.

Originally Posted by Thane9

You were saying the average HIGH ranked creep wasn't even close. And I'm disagreeing.

No...I didn't.

New map plox.

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

No...I didn't.

You said equal rank. Equal to us is high. I don't mean to belabor the point suffice it to say without parsing R9, R10, R11, R12, R13, R14 or even R15....it's all "high" and equivalencies are hit and miss right now in that range.

FAR more than previous books and volumes.

IMHO the real question is how can we get R0s = to R0s and NOT wreck that balance that is occuring at higher ranks.

I agree 100% R0=R0 does NOT exist currently, not even close. Even R5=R5 is still a mess, particularly certain classes and DEFINITELY if you remove store bought items from the equation.

But the model does pose some interesting delimma IF they did balance R0 to R0...because R0 creepside is a button push away and R0 freepside is months of work. Just saying...

Originally Posted by Fraegster

Just to point out: there are precisely 8 creeps on Landy who are r12 or above..... eight

*edit* from the next post:


I would hope that balance between creeps and freeps would start to appear a long time before R12, as most Creeps will never see 10 much less 12. *edit* what I originaly wrote still applies.

I agree. In fact I believe they DO start to appear a long time before R12. I was just stating that in general the higher ranks do match up pretty well. Some more than others to be sure, with GLARING issues at times, but in general more than ever.

R9s pop up seemingly overnight these days. It's nuts how fast ranking is happening for the lower ranks with the inclusion of PvE for rank.

yeah...new map could even make it worse.

See The Great River map when it came out? Imagine all those froobs PvE-ing it to death!



Anyway, I'm probably just a terrible LM but it hasn't been this tough out there ever. That's why I'm levelling my alts. Fellrotten only PvPs when it's easy. We know this.

Honestly, and I'm serious, they buff creeps and buff creeps......

Originally Posted by Thane9

I have fantastic gear

False.

I cannot believe I'm going to do this again....but here goes nothin'.

A few weeks ago,I told you about better gear (crafted mind you,not stuff that you would have to raid for).
1.
Bow. I linked you a better bow,that adds 1% crit and some mastery.The physical mitigation on your bow is as useless as Danuf's opinions about pvmp.

2.
Offhand.Again,I linked you a much better offhand,that adds dps and other ####.Again,crafted.It's probably the best offhand in the game.There's also a nice one in Shadow t2c,which I'm pretty sure that Sword of Mandos will down soon. And for that matter,you said it yourself,in an older thread,that 2H are better for the moors,and that you knew that you were gimping yourself by dual-wielding.Why you wouldn't change that....well I guess it's a mistery.You have 2 1st agers and one of them is a sprint stick or whatever...c'mon brah!

3.
Has it ever occured to you that in order to get the 5set bonus,you only need to wear 5 pieces of armour,meaning that you can change a 6th piece(whatever that may be) for another one from a different audacity set??? Not to mention that some of your jewelry is far from fantastic.Moving on...

Don't know your virtues,but for all I know,you could be a justice slotter(of course I could be wrong). As far as skill goes,I don't know how good you are.When I was playing my warg,you were playing SWTOR,so I never had a chance to fight you.And I've never seen and watched you closely in multiple 1v1s( all of yours are by the snowcones or in bumble ####).

Going back to me trying to help you out that day in ooc,you probably dismissed me because: 1) you're r12 and I'm r11??? 2) I constantly call you a moron 3) you are stubborn 4) you have no desire to improve.

note: this post is as long as Luc's usual rants....and it's exhausting!!!

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

The good news for creeps is, most players still suck and pretty much backpedal and keyboard turn themselves around the map.

Whoa, slow down hoss. I backpedal all the time, but it's not a limitation, it's a tactical choice.

Originally Posted by Reichpapers

Whoa, slow down hoss. I backpedal all the time, but it's not a limitation, it's a tactical choice.

/agree

There's several reasons in LotRO to backpedal. Particularly classes with varying melee ranges who utalize the lack of collision.

In fact...nevermind, can't share everything.

Originally Posted by Thane9

/agree

There's several reasons in LotRO to backpedal. Particularly classes with varying melee ranges who utalize the lack of collision.

In fact...nevermind, can't share everything.

Unbind your S key and experience the freedom from running away really slowly

I especially use it with multiple wargs...keeps them from gettin gpositional and I can spam dust, twist, glee, ridle, exploit opening. I've been able to back up farther than I can run with them on my tail.

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

Unbind your S key and experience the freedom from running away really slowly

It's not using the s key by itself that is useful...

Originally Posted by Reichpapers

I especially use it with multiple wargs...keeps them from gettin gpositional and I can spam dust, twist, glee, ridle, exploit opening. I've been able to back up farther than I can run with them on my tail.

Strafing does the same thing and allows for you to move at normal speeds...

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

Strafing does the same thing and allows for you to move at normal speeds...

I don't need to do any of that, it's more fun my way...because I like making the wargs think they have me before I hips. I do play with my food, they just tend to come back with larger numbers than I can eat.

True enough, Al. To each their own

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

True enough, Al. To each their own

...and I always stop what I'm doing to help a mini in need..

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

Strafing does the same thing and allows for you to move at normal speeds...

You can strafe backwards too...just saying...and "normal speeds" become less important when you're strafing and when you're utalizing the lack of collision in this game.

This isn't a 1st person shooter where you never stop running forward to fight. Not as a melee toon...

I think there are several viable movement methods in this game and to "unbind" a movement direction key and thereby eliminate one of them is not really the best course of action, in my opinion.

Everything is situational.