Thread: Fri 4/27/12 PVP

Was it just me or was last night one of the best pvp nights in a long time. Went out with a small group and for about 3 or 4 hours it was great fighting with other small groups. No real raid was out and about tell bud start one. it just seemed like some really good fighting was going on but maybe my group just got lucky.

Would like to hear what others thought about last night

I thought last night was pretty great. But then again, I wasn't playing Lotro

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

I thought last night was pretty great. But then again, I wasn't playing Lotro

This ^ lol

I thought it was pretty good.Freeps stayed really mobile which was nice.We had fights all over the map last night.I love when it's not just the EC shuffle

I lost a couple stars but had a lot of fun anyways

Got to run with Creep Junk for a few which was fun times.Thanks Purevil!

Weird having all my tribemates gone playing GW2 beta.And Vinny is on vacation so no huge freep raid,roflstomping my face.But all and all it was good!

Had some really great PVP last night, but it was in GW2. Storming keeps using siege engines, and defending using catapults and hot oil (that works) was a lot of fun. Being in the game with so many friends- priceless.

Originally Posted by Aedon

Had some really great PVP last night, but it was in GW2. Storming keeps using siege engines, and defending using catapults and hot oil (that works) was a lot of fun. Being in the game with so many friends- priceless.

meh... movement jerky .. hate the asian-style graphics

GW2 was disappointing for me at first blush. Targeting is terrible; UI is just downright bad IMO (clickers will love it though...ugh...); skills are gimmicky; the run animation - omg bad (I know I am weird but this bugs me); voice acting was not good so far; female character models are downright trashy with all the big boobs; WvW was so much PvE it surprised me after all the hype. I joined one game for competitive PvP, which was really fun, but they'll need a deserter debuff or something. I would suggest only pre-mades or else not to bother. You can vote kick though, which is awesome. Lotro needs a vote-kick option. Vote-kick right outta the 'Moors

Some good things - character creation is really good even though I can't play the race I want yet. The map is pretty seamless so it's easy to see where you're going and where you've been. Graphics are good but a little cartoony (not as bad as WoW though). Weapon and skills progression is really a great concept.

It's just beta but IMO, they have a ways to go before it's close to polished. I also couldn't get into the server that my friend is on; and then the client kept crashing this morning (which is likely something with my system it doesn't like).

I was expecting more

Will try again later.

pretty much agree with you Jaiyne .. except for the big boobs part I too abhor the run animation (again, seems to be an Asian-styling thing.. reminds me of FFXI)

My wife got a kick out of the char creation process and she went googoo gaga over my human thief with his devilish good looks

Alot of zoning to move around to get to some of the storylines... tab seems to be the only good means of targeting.

I got bored around 5pm. Couldn't find a single creep unless you pushed a keep.


Well, asides from wargs who just ran when they start to lose.


Did some of those anniversary quests, fairly interesting. Then I went to play Arma2 and that new Mount and Blade Napoleonic mod, very fun indeed.

Originally Posted by Tumgruk

I got bored around 5pm. Couldn't find a single creep unless you pushed a keep.


Well, asides from wargs who just ran when they start to lose.


Did some of those anniversary quests, fairly interesting. Then I went to play Arma2 and that new Mount and Blade Napoleonic mod, very fun indeed.

SWS don't run when they start to lose. That should be patently obvious by now. Cocorat and Uzgaroth did a nice job leading us last night, plenty good fights. After a bit we disbanded - and I went to the pub.

I don't believe I have ever seen you say anything positive about your experience playing Lotro. Not to be mean or disrespectful, but if it's really that bad, and you never have a fun time, why do you bother?

Arma2 IS fun though.

Love & Hugs

Fluffy Hithy

i didnt get out there tell about 8pm so u should have stayed on longer it got good

Yup Stryka. from 9pm-2am est, it was pretty good last night. warg packed wiped like 5 times at 9, then didn't seem to log back on until 1am. that was nice.

Fellrotten the group you were in was just fantastic last night.Really brought the pain against the odds.And you guys whooped my defiler butt pretty hard.It's nice after over a year and a half of being gone to see you're still out giving creeps hell.

Always good to see you even if it hurts

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

GW2 was disappointing for me at first blush. Targeting is terrible; UI is just downright bad IMO (clickers will love it though...ugh...); skills are gimmicky; the run animation - omg bad (I know I am weird but this bugs me); voice acting was not good so far; female character models are downright trashy with all the big boobs; WvW was so much PvE it surprised me after all the hype. I joined one game for competitive PvP, which was really fun, but they'll need a deserter debuff or something. I would suggest only pre-mades or else not to bother. You can vote kick though, which is awesome. Lotro needs a vote-kick option. Vote-kick right outta the 'Moors

Some good things - character creation is really good even though I can't play the race I want yet. The map is pretty seamless so it's easy to see where you're going and where you've been. Graphics are good but a little cartoony (not as bad as WoW though). Weapon and skills progression is really a great concept.

It's just beta but IMO, they have a ways to go before it's close to polished. I also couldn't get into the server that my friend is on; and then the client kept crashing this morning (which is likely something with my system it doesn't like).

I was expecting more

Will try again later.

Were we playing the same game. For its first open beta, its great. Its a keep, do you expect them to have nothing guarding? has to be some pve to it. I have seen games release less polished that this beta is atm. Only issue I had with targetting was whne a mesmer had a dozen pets out. The competitive pvp was a blast I made a lvl 1 theif and jumped right in.

Originally Posted by Umbrarg

SWS don't run when they start to lose. That should be patently obvious by now. Cocorat and Uzgaroth did a nice job leading us last night, plenty good fights. After a bit we disbanded - and I went to the pub.

I don't believe I have ever seen you say anything positive about your experience playing Lotro. Not to be mean or disrespectful, but if it's really that bad, and you never have a fun time, why do you bother?

Arma2 IS fun though.

Love & Hugs

Fluffy Hithy

I have plenty of fun, I just prefer the groups. I like talking with people and joking around (Dwarf in a box). If I wanted to play the solo game i'd be off playing skyrim or some nonsense, or a warg. Though it is a bit frustrating playing on landy cause the creeps seem to vastly prefer solo-play rather than grouping up, so it's a bit of a headache which is why I only go to the moors when there's an open raid or a need for one.....

It's frustrating to be playing with good friends and not be able to find anyone to play against.

edit: When I say playing in groups, I mean open groups. I despise the cliques or kin-only groups. If you only play with each other how are you going to include new players? This goes for you creeps as well.

Originally Posted by Tumgruk

I have plenty of fun, I just prefer the groups. I like talking with people and joking around (Dwarf in a box). If I wanted to play the solo game i'd be off playing skyrim or some nonsense, or a warg. Though it is a bit frustrating playing on landy cause the creeps seem to vastly prefer solo-play rather than grouping up, so it's a bit of a headache which is why I only go to the moors when there's an open raid or a need for one.....

It's frustrating to be playing with good friends and not be able to find anyone to play against.

edit: When I say playing in groups, I mean open groups. I despise the cliques or kin-only groups. If you only play with each other how are you going to include new players? This goes for you creeps as well.

In SWS packs it's entirelly up to whomever is leading if they want to open it up to other wargs / classes. No hard nor fast rule to it, we do welcome greenies and try to mix leaders up so peeps get experience. When we have wargs from other tribes running with us, it's called Fluffy Death to show our appreciation.

Sometimes we'll put in OOC that the Warg Pack of Fluffy Death is actively looking for wargs to join. Fluffy Death is open to everyone with four legs and a tail - the more the merrier.

Sometimes we'll put in OOC that Eat Freeps is open. Any class, any rank, all welcome.

All just depends on the situation, what peeps want to do, how many Freeps are on, which leaders are available, and all that stuff.

Of course, the tribe itself works differently.

Love & Hugs

Fluffy Hithy

Originally Posted by oninoakuma

Were we playing the same game. For its first open beta, its great. Its a keep, do you expect them to have nothing guarding? has to be some pve to it. I have seen games release less polished that this beta is atm. Only issue I had with targetting was whne a mesmer had a dozen pets out. The competitive pvp was a blast I made a lvl 1 theif and jumped right in.

Glad you're liking it dude. It didn't meet the hype for me...yet. But then, I haven't played a ton yet.

Originally Posted by Umbrarg

In SWS packs it's entirelly up to whomever is leading if they want to open it up to other wargs / classes. No hard nor fast rule to it, we do welcome greenies and try to mix leaders up so peeps get experience. When we have wargs from other tribes running with us, it's called Fluffy Death to show our appreciation.

Sometimes we'll put in OOC that the Warg Pack of Fluffy Death is actively looking for wargs to join. Fluffy Death is open to everyone with four legs and a tail - the more the merrier.

Sometimes we'll put in OOC that Eat Freeps is open. Any class, any rank, all welcome.

All just depends on the situation, what peeps want to do, how many Freeps are on, which leaders are available, and all that stuff.

Of course, the tribe itself works differently.

Love & Hugs

Fluffy Hithy

Such is the fate of landy, warg packs are about as useless as my fingernail. You might pick off one or two in the back but once the raid realizes there it is a wargpack it is free renown.


But, like you said, play what you have fun with.


I would much prefer if creeps started playing reavers or warleaders or other raid classes that can contribute to raids, rather than playing the squishy, coward wargs.

Originally Posted by Tumgruk

Such is the fate of landy, warg packs are about as useless as my fingernail. You might pick off one or two in the back but once the raid realizes there it is a wargpack it is free renown.


But, like you said, play what you have fun with.


I would much prefer if creeps started playing reavers or warleaders or other raid classes that can contribute to raids, rather than playing the squishy, coward wargs.

TEEHEE...Your trolls are as pathetic as your keyturning gameplay. We on creepside are still waiting for you to come rescue us and show us how to lead a raid. Seems eveytime youre confronted with that you manage to weasel out and change the subject. Ya ya i know youre probably busy playing that rk 17 or 22 wl on whatever server you forgot it was on.

Originally Posted by AnAltruisticEgoist

TEEHEE...Your trolls are as pathetic as your keyturning gameplay. We on creepside are still waiting for you to come rescue us and show us how to lead a raid. Seems eveytime youre confronted with that you manage to weasel out and change the subject. Ya ya i know youre probably busy playing that rk 17 or 22 wl on whatever server you forgot it was on.

First, it is spelt, You're..

Second, everytime....

Third, aren't you banned?


And fourth, if the creeps on this server were willing to be led, I would be more than glad to show you how to will, until then, you can pay to win. Pun intended.

Originally Posted by Tumgruk

First, it is spelt, You're..

Second, everytime....

Third, aren't you banned?


And fourth, if the creeps on this server were willing to be led, I would be more than glad to show you how to will, until then, you can pay to win. Pun intended.

<grabs bucket of popcorn and a 24 pack>

This is soooo wrong it's almost right
But while nearly true- it's really not quite.
And Danuf shall see, before the end of his days,
The error of his nearly-not-quite-right ways.
For a spelling in error, a mistake be it true?
Or merely opinion thats better than you?
But who really cares, this way or that.
Beyond all doubt, Danuf is a <cough>

Love & Hugs

Fluffy Hithy

Originally Posted by Umbrarg

<grabs bucket of popcorn and a 24 pack>

This is soooo wrong it's almost right
But while nearly true- it's really not quite.
And Danuf shall see, before the end of his days,
The error of his nearly-not-quite-right ways.
For a spelling in error, a mistake be it true?
Or merely opinion thats better than you?
But who really cares, this way or that.
Beyond all doubt, Danuf is a <cough>

Love & Hugs

Fluffy Hithy

You can argue all you want Mr. Snuffleufagus (edit: this is a cutesy term and by no means derogatory) , but you can't dispute the fact that the creeps will never fight an even battle.

Oh my good Sir, I can dispute it if I so please.

And I indeed choose to do so.

Logging Hithy in - going to see what needs eaten. And eat it I shall, or die trying. No matter the odds.

Love & Hugs

Fluffy Hithy

Originally Posted by Umbrarg

Oh my good Sir, I can dispute it if I so please.

And I indeed choose to do so.

Logging Hithy in - going to see what needs eaten. And eat it I shall, or die trying. No matter the odds.

Love & Hugs

Fluffy Hithy

Dispute all you want, I am not one who can hips and run away if I start to lose.

Originally Posted by Tumgruk

Dispute all you want, I am not one who can hips and run away if I start to lose.

No, you Pledge and Sprint and get Shieldwalled and Bubbled.

Who cares?

I certainly don't. Just less forumy talky-talk, and more in-game fighty-fight. Thats the entire point after all.

Love & Hugs

Fluffy Hithy

Originally Posted by Umbrarg

No, you Pledge and Sprint and get Shieldwalled and Bubbled.

Who cares?

I certainly don't. Just less forumy talky-talk, and more in-game fighty-fight. Thats the entire point after all.

Love & Hugs

Fluffy Hithy

Oh I wish guardians will shieldwall me.


So far I have only this box to protect me

Originally Posted by Tumgruk

First, it is spelt, You're..

Second, everytime....

Third, aren't you banned?


And fourth, if the creeps on this server were willing to be led, I would be more than glad to show you how to will, until then, you can pay to win. Pun intended.

Bumbleschmuck

Originally Posted by AnAltruisticEgoist

Ya ya i know youre probably busy playing that rk 17 or 22 wl on whatever server you forgot it was on.

Originally Posted by Tumgruk

First, it is spelt, You're..

Second, everytime....

Third, aren't you banned?


And fourth, if the creeps on this server were willing to be led, I would be more than glad to show you how to will, until then, you can pay to win. Pun intended.

Originally Posted by AnAltruisticEgoist

Seems eveytime youre confronted with that you manage to weasel out and change the subject.

You realize as soon as you mentioned something about some r12-13 WL you claim to have on some server saying how "you know how it is." You lost any and ALL respect from anyone on either side. You are truly the laughing stock of both sides to be honest and the fact that anyone replies to anything you say including myself (could be just because of how late it is) I will never truly never know.

Originally Posted by Tumgruk

but you can't dispute the fact that the creeps will never fight an even battle.

Speaking of even battles, I do recall at least 3 occasions where you were without the comfort of your raid around TR road and I on my reaver happened to be in the vicinity naturally charged, Instead of fighting the good fight and/or just taking your death for your lack of 1v1 capabilities you instead sprinted to the one-shots.

So please do not speak of creeps never fighting the "fair" fight.

Originally Posted by TackyFailz

Speaking of even battles, I do recall at least 3 occasions where you were without the comfort of your raid around TR road and I on my reaver happened to be in the vicinity naturally charged, Instead of fighting the good fight and/or just taking your death for your lack of 1v1 capabilities you instead sprinted to the one-shots.

So please do not speak of creeps never fighting the "fair" fight.

wow, that happened to you as well? i cant recall the number of times this fail guard has ran from an even 1v1 fight, in favor of running to the npcs( you know) to get that xtra 1v1 advantage and make it fair. i also have watched rabidskum chase this guard from gv hill all the way to ec, the guard not once turning to get off an offensive skill. his gameplay is pathetic as well as his lack of knowledge of the game

Originally Posted by Tumgruk

You can argue all you want Mr. Snuffleufagus (edit: this is a cutesy term and by no means derogatory) , but you can't dispute the fact that the creeps will never fight an even battle.

You want to know why? Since im a Landroval creep and you most likely wont give me any credibility, heres a testemony from someone from one of the best Tribe on the best LOTRO server.

Originally Posted by ksjock

Some Freeps have said that there are too many stories about how good Freep healing is with no evidence supporting it.

This Freep fellowship (there was perhaps 7 of them but no more) had 1 RK healing and 1 Cappy.



Against a full raid it literally took 30 seconds to die and it was worse if we tried a different group member first. Against a full healing RK with Cappy support it took way more effort than it should to kill anything. 2 Freep healers effectivly out healed the DPS of ~ 18 Creeps. Now imagine if there was another 3 fellowships of freeps that joined this one.... An even numbered fight would be laughable.

Sometimes we caught this fellowship by surprise and killed the RK before full attunement or Cappy Bubble but the point I'm trying to make here is this:

No freep fellowship can stand up to a creep raid like this group did.

Creep healers simply can't heal while taking fire like RK's and Cappies can.

Creep healers can out heal 1 perhaps 2 Freep DPSer's (if they are left alone) while, it seems, some freep healers can out heal ~9 creep DPSer's (while being attacked themselves no less)

The "The Healing Imbalance" is plain to see.

Now you know...

really was it not a fellowship that stayed standing at the fight where Boromir died was they not out numbered by a huge amount? and not only that but the freeps u are talk about are very well geared and know how to play there toon, really good focus fire, knows what to kill first, and how to keep each other alive

Originally Posted by RykertheStryka

really was it not a fellowship that stayed standing at the fight where Boromir died was they not out numbered by a huge amount? and not only that but the freeps u are talk about are very well geared and know how to play there toon, really good focus fire, knows what to kill first, and how to keep each other alive

Oh, if you are taking it back to the lore, RK were not in the lore, so why here? ban them from entering moors, and which minstrel in the entire book has such good healing reputation as the healers of today? So all these we see are just huge improvements from the lore, therefore, creeps need improvements from that basic lore too!!!

Freeps are well geared because they have the choice, creeps dont have a gear! (yeah its known, nothing new). If according to lore (and hence the Turbine's insistence on keeping creeps low dps, low heal, no gear and weapons) creeps only excelled because they had greater numbers, then where are our numbers? Thats the only thing creeps must be reminded off all the time : 'Get more numbers, maggots'. But No one can ensure producing that numbers at any given time except if naturally occurs by players logging in. And even if there are numbers (as shown above 18 v 6) and creeps still cannot win, that means numbers has nothing to do with it. Its all those ####ty skills (heals, dps) we have been given which are the culprits.

I have defeated one of a famous champion in the early days of audacity in a fight club and after that a few times, but not anymore. That means, there was a few days where I could win from the same champion. Did he not know how to play his class well on those 3 days? Or did I become very good player all of a sudden? NO, its just that the effects of the skills I had on those days were higher then his skills (my dps > his, my mits > his, my armour > his). So its not how well a freep plays their class, its how easy it is to get the huge impact each of their skills have (be it heal or dps).

Got to admit, creating numbers is not in anyone's hands. So instead of relying on real world players, why not give every creep from 1 to N pets with different roles (heals, ranged, tank, buffs), to fill those gaps, to create that population artificially which would outnumber/outpower freeps at a given time. After all, the creeps were actually winning till Mr Frodo reached the Mount doom.

For example, give a Warleader upto 5 pet orcs so he can lead them, also, give multiple broodlings to spiders, puppies to wargs, in all, all creep classes should be given a pet or more. Well I know its all dreams of a crazy person ./sigh

If E is saying it's the best PvP server that's sad.

I had to look at that picture and search the name Cowsgomoo in order to tell which server that SS was from too btw..
Soooo in the future, try to reference that while posting it. Otherwise some genius will think it's from Landy.

They've more active wargs currently than Landy.

Also.. if you don't know who to target first in a raid vs small group.. yes.. you're going to get wiped. Because you're a bunch of freakin cosmonauts that can't focus-fire.

Look at how strung-out in a nice line that raid of creeps is on the radar. Freep-balls win because of shiz like that.

I mean, hell.. that technically aint a 'full raid' its a funeral procession of multiple small-groups that happen to be in one larger one, who aren't cross-healing, focus firing, etc.

I can see that just looking at a screenshot as to what the hell is goin' on. It ain't rocket-science. You're out of position, out of healing range, out of bubble-range, and everyone else is fooked because of it.

There were only 3 wargs in that creep raid from the looks of things too.. soooo.. if they couldn't out-derps an RK and a craptain healing a "reported" 6-man.. then that's hilarious.

Dont bring your drama-llamas over here from another server you screwball. Just because creeps don't know what the hell to do over there, doesn't exactly equate to what they're doing on Landy... or for that matter freep vs creep consistent play in comparison.

You can't be comparing apples to oranges maaaaang.

.....ya'll also notice at the center of that screenshot it looks like a freep's got the beehive too.

Yea.. that's a reaaaaaaaaaaaal logical and fair representation of moors-play and class balance then hahahahahahahahaha.

Originally Posted by CVIgdal

If E is saying it's the best PvP server that's sad.

I had to look at that picture and search the name Cowsgomoo in order to tell which server that SS was from too btw..
Soooo in the future, try to reference that while posting it. Otherwise some genius will think it's from Landy.

FYI mr Genius, next to the poster name, theres a small blue icon where you can click on. This will bring you directly in the original post where you can see the guy signature, in this case a member of B-Team on Elendilmir. Those guys are Elendilmir elite Creeps/Freeps and we lost enough of Landroval PvPier for it over the years to confirm E reputation as the best LOTRO pvp server.

Originally Posted by CVIgdal

Also.. if you don't know who to target first in a raid vs small group.. yes.. you're going to get wiped. Because you're a bunch of freakin cosmonauts that can't focus-fire.

Even if 3-4 Creeps are targeting each their own targets, they should have overwhelm this group easily if this game was even remotly balanced. We are talking about 4vs1 odds here, at the very least 3vs1, in favor of creeps.

The guy stated they actually focus fired the group. And this is something i can confirm from personnal experience, when we fought Garny group at LC a few days ago. A full raid of creeps DPS denied even a single kill while they took 50% casualty in a 2-3 minutes time windows. And our raid was made of mainly PP and Agony high ranked crew, all seasoned Moors vets.

Originally Posted by CVIgdal

Dont bring your drama-llamas over here from another server you screwball. Just because creeps don't know what the hell to do over there, doesn't exactly equate to what they're doing on Landy... or for that matter freep vs creep consistent play in comparison.

Such level of ignorance is pathetic. You almost deserve to make my sig like this other guy whos freep google is so thick he cannot even see clearly anymore.

Originally Posted by CVIgdal

You can't be comparing apples to oranges maaaaang.

.....ya'll also notice at the center of that screenshot it looks like a freep's got the beehive too.

Yea.. that's a reaaaaaaaaaaaal logical and fair representation of moors-play and class balance then hahahahahahahahaha.

Relics wont give you an advantage in this type of fighting mr Genius. All the relic do is to give his owner a CC immunity and a speed buff. Thats it.

Originally Posted by Tumgruk

Though it is a bit frustrating playing on landy cause the creeps seem to vastly prefer solo-play rather than grouping up, so it's a bit of a headache

Its like that on all the servers I have played. The only time I have seen groups on other servers is if the creeps/freeps become good friends or are in the same kin.

This server IMO is far better than a few others out there.

It actually looks to me like a creep is holding the relic, which would mean they couldn't use any induction skills...so they wouldn't be adding much to that fight.

I don't think this says as much about a healing imbalance as it does a major faction imbalance, and the skills available to freeps to get them out of a tight spot, while keeping each other alive, are just greater than creep skills - especially once the few and lesser creep skills have been used (bubble, MT, etc.). A minstrel in this set-up, would have been a hindrance in terms of healing, BTW.

The screenshot also doesn't show much about the volume of creep casualties. The freeps would have had to be all working on keeping the RK healer up, rather than burning down anything other than probably a few squishy wargs or spiders, who wouldn't get priority heals. So what does the screenshot really say? That fewer freeps can hold off a raid of creeps for a short time and then wipe once their CDs are down; probably taking only a few with them. Probably.

That said, the opposite is also true. Small groups of creeps can wipe larger numbers of average freeps if they're coordinated and ranked. Most freeps are so used to just raiding on our server that they would have NO idea how to do this. What's shown in the screenie is unusual and not the norm - particularly of the average Landy Moors player. But yes, it *can* be done with the right classes and right players - but ONLY if the creeps are missing something obvious (like at least two rounds of multiple silences, disarms, and warg roots, which bypass brands, SI and anything else, to burn down the RK quickly before it can further attune - assuming captain bubble for the first round of focus fire on the RK).

EDIT - there are also at least 2 RKs healing...you can clearly see 2 WoH on the RK that is focused.

Originally Posted by RykertheStryka

really was it not a fellowship that stayed standing at the fight where Boromir died was they not out numbered by a huge amount? and not only that but the freeps u are talk about are very well geared and know how to play there toon, really good focus fire, knows what to kill first, and how to keep each other alive

Even if 3-4 Creeps are targeting each their own targets, they should have overwhelm this group easily if this game was even remotly balanced. We are talking about 4vs1 odds here, at the very least 3vs1, in favor of creeps.

Your post make me smile, because its so representative of the current freeps mentality. Groups of freeps are defeating way larger groups of creeps, sometimes 3-4 times their size, and freeps find this perfectly normal. According to them, its due to their superior skills and gameplay and not to some imaginary game imbalance. Now, im asking you a simple and fair question:

Would you hold the same position if the situation was reversed?

This implies a small group of 6-7 creeps wiping a full freep raid. Reavers with infinate self bubbles. BAs able to VT up to 10k. Single Defiler able to outheal a full fraid focus fire. Weavers with infinate CC chain skills. WL with 6 secs Rallying Cry ect ect....

Originally Posted by whitefox1313

WL with 6 secs Rallying Cry ect ect....

WLs should have something similar to Rally Cry. Totally would be into that.

We need to remember healing is NOT just additive. It's multiplicative, even against the most focused and regimented force.

Once cross healing starts entering the picture things get really messy (in fact I'm seeing an emerging gameplay where it's wise to actually ignore the healer and drop the dps first...but that's still situational at best)

Anyhow, back to the point. 2-3 creep healers with a relatively sizeable force can hold off a LOT of freep dps. To suggest this is really one sided is false.

The issue is, and always has been, AOE damage, not healing and not raw damage. AoEs are where freepside has a pretty substantial advantage and it is often the snowball that becomes the avalanche of a creepside wipe.

Frankly, I think there are several issues that are more impactful than the discrepency between healing.

1> AoE...as mentioned above.
2> The MASSIVE prevalance of wargs...for a few reasons...
3> NPCs not properly scaled with audacity.
4> Runspeed and on the move skill discrepencies.

These four alone (and there are more) account for more issues than any gap between freep and creep healing. IMHO.

Situational and anecdotal evidence tells us nothing. Again, this is the type of thing that can be fixed IF Turbine would have a clear and communicated vision for PvMP. I just think that vision is lacking and being bandaided with gimmicks and grinds.