Thread: Wargs? two sides to a coin

In regard to the previous warg thread. I agree that people should play the class they want, no argument there.

But what gets me and really pisses me off.... is when freeps complain about getting killed to fast by wargs.

Honestly, creeps have been getting killed for ages by OP RK's, Hunters with 7K crits, Champs who can bubble..bubbles..bubbles...bub bles..and dish out HUGE dps, minis who can self heal while dpsing and of course the manheal. Lets face it, creeps were meant to feed freeps. And they did and sometimes still do.

There has been many times were burgs ganked anything and everything (a few creeps classes are exceptions).

Creeps have have been the victim of OP freeps for along time.

Don't complain when a creep class can finally dish some of that back. I guess some freep's don't like it when their dinner decides to fight back.

Do we need more of other classes? Yes....but don't complain about wargs because the truth is (and you can;t deny it), is that freep's have had the upper hand for a very, very long time.

I will tell you what. I agree that i wont play my warg, if freeps don't use their minis or Champs

Peace.

In all reality it is just a game, and I think that is important to keep in context as well.

While I can see your point and it is a valid one, the main problem for many creeps and freeps was that the presence of a stealthed pack limited the overall effectiveness and enjoyability of the moors for both sides.

Knowing that a warg pack was out made ungrouped freeps more likely to leave and PvE or sit in rez. If freeps decided to group and fight the pack, it would never appear save to snag a loner in the back, and then let the rest of the creeps get rolled over and over by the now "OP" looking freep group. However true or false that is, I believe that was the point of the discussion.

Lets put it this way; If all you have to fight are stealth classes and all of them are too scared to fight you 1v1 or even 2v1 or unless you're in their NPC's and half dead already, how many fights do you get? None. How much fun is having no fights? No fun at all. I don't call "fighting" 7+ wargs solo or pushing into NPC's to get a fight going only to be zerged by a veritable raid of wargs who have been sitting in their NPC's for 20 minutes because they aren't grouped up and are afraid to be the first to pounce against 3 freeps fighting.

It takes ONE rank 4+ warg to beat an RK, or hunter solo (if Mr. Wargie knows what he's doing). People will play however they want however. Just know that you're screwing yourself over in the long run.

I admire people who post non-qqish threads like this....but yet it's still too funny...because I'm sure that the makers and gms of this game are 'lawls'ing' in their seats...

''This game has been designed according to its classification. Just like any mmo whether it be WoW, CoD, L4D, PerfectWorld, SWTOR, if you want to prevail at anything pvp/pvmp wise, its always best to work in organized groups. Meaning one leader, one target assist, one voice, with many followers. And when I say many followers, it can be anywhere from 3-23 other players. Hell, even multiple 24-man raids can coordinate an assault i've done it..it's phenomenal. Not limiting to zergs, though they seem more effective, the side who is the victim of the zerging is allowing it to become a 'zerg' because they turn and run. Anyway off subject...How this for a thought..group up with people, designate a leader and follow them. If they want to do some off-the-wall quest like take a keep or 'zerg' follow them, do your job, and the pvp will greatly improve.

If you don't like being killed, stay out of the Ettenmoors.
If you don't like being 'zerged', stand and fight back.
If you don't like being rez-camped, map out or run the opposite direction.
If you don't like your class, reroll and quit qq'ing about how weak and pathetic your class is.
If you didn't read all of this, post some quirky meme of a black person or a midget flashing words 'DIDN'T READ HAHA TROLOL'
[nobody cares if you didn't read or not because we all know you did or at least skimmed through]''
~quote by me


I suppose I can now copy and past what is in quotations over and over again in future threads talking about similar topics...meh one of these days Dwarrowdelf will figure it out

the warg pack thingie happens alot
but.... i myself have a warg to he is only rank 4 but already has 237 killing blows because i solo and just saying that is more fun than warg pack

so stop complaining and play your class and don't group up just learn to solo

peace me out

The complaining stems from having an imbalance on one side or the other, whether it be too many wargs on creepside or too many healers on freepside. Either scenario leads to undesirable conditions for good back and forth fights. It's not always going to be perfect, c'est la vie. Things have been improving lately, at least the times I've been out. Lots of kills/deaths on both sides, everyone getting their share of infamy/renown. I'd much rather come out and die a bunch of times in a rvr than to constantly roll the other side. Hopefully everyone else feels the same way, and we can continue to have good fights like these =D

Originally Posted by koonerboy

I agree that people should play the class they want, no argument there.

I agree with this. But i'm sure we could use more defillers, spiders and ranked reavers... Every time i'm in RvR with the creeps... i find it hard to heal due to constant interrupts... i can't stress out the importance of spider's web in RvR... at least it gives breathing spaces.. getting harassed by champs or burgs are really pain in the ####

Originally Posted by Iriella

The complaining stems from having an imbalance on one side or the other, whether it be too many wargs on creepside or too many healers on freepside. Either scenario leads to undesirable conditions for good back and forth fights. It's not always going to be perfect, c'est la vie. Things have been improving lately, at least the times I've been out. Lots of kills/deaths on both sides, everyone getting their share of infamy/renown. I'd much rather come out and die a bunch of times in a rvr than to constantly roll the other side. Hopefully everyone else feels the same way, and we can continue to have good fights like these =D

I agree with what Iriella said too, theres been lots of RvR happening recently and it's a healthy sign for Dwarrowdelf, everyone getting their share of points.

(Dear Iri, i beg you to reduce your heals lol, it would be fair if you unslot your book if you're going to heal QQQQ)

Originally Posted by Viduo

Lets put it this way; If all you have to fight are stealth classes and all of them are too scared to fight you 1v1 or even 2v1 or unless you're in their NPC's and half dead already, how many fights do you get? None. How much fun is having no fights? No fun at all. I don't call "fighting" 7+ wargs solo or pushing into NPC's to get a fight going only to be zerged by a veritable raid of wargs who have been sitting in their NPC's for 20 minutes because they aren't grouped up and are afraid to be the first to pounce against 3 freeps fighting.

It takes ONE rank 4+ warg to beat an RK, or hunter solo (if Mr. Wargie knows what he's doing). People will play however they want however. Just know that you're screwing yourself over in the long run.

^this, though i dont agree with the rank 4.....when people don't show up in a fight to help others and wait to just get the KB with some infamy makes me pity those who are scared to fight, like i said in the other post about wargs, if your just late to the fight pounce me, if im fighting any number of creeps pounce me, if you find that im doing to well in a fight pounce me, but if you wait till the very last second just to get the KB with some rating then shame on you

So much being used in the arguments against warg packs is related to their being stealth class.

Wargs are the only stealth class creep-side, unless you include spiders using "lie in wait."

Freep side? There's a whole lot more stealthing going on.

Burgs (/shiver) yes, then there's that "share the fun" that can make any class a stealth class for a time. Add to that Sylvan's Shadow and hobbit stealth, and hunter's camouflage (my least favorite, as it is often used as "tee-hee, you can't see me up on this bridge post" stealth). Oh! Almost forget the extremely effective "second-account" stealth.

Throw in tactics that have a stealth-like effect, i.e. hoards of freeps on fast horses appearing out of no where, the pile of freeps behind that rock/tree (oops, should have added the tree/rock thingy to creep side, too ) etc., and I'd say wargs have some serious stealth competition.

All of this to me is a NON-PROBLEM. Freeps/creeps should use all their skills any way they can to win the battle (except that giggling hunter on the post of course).

But hey! I FINALLY have figured out what the REAL core pvmp problem is!

.........although I ain't sayin.....because it ain't fixable.

Originally Posted by abukia222

I agree with what Iriella said too, theres been lots of RvR happening recently and it's a healthy sign for Dwarrowdelf, everyone getting their share of points.

(Dear Iri, i beg you to reduce your heals lol, it would be fair if you unslot your book if you're going to heal QQQQ)

Next time I trait heals, I'll keep my moors book equipped. Just for you. ;*

Omnomnomnomnomnom

Originally Posted by Wassup

Burgs (/shiver) yes, then there's that "share the fun" that can make any class a stealth class for a time. Add to that Sylvan's Shadow and hobbit stealth, and hunter's camouflage (my least favorite, as it is often used as "tee-hee, you can't see me up on this bridge post" stealth). Oh! Almost forget the extremely effective "second-account" stealth.

Throw in tactics that have a stealth-like effect, i.e. hoards of freeps on fast horses appearing out of no where, the pile of freeps behind that rock/tree (oops, should have added the tree/rock thingy to creep side, too ) etc., and I'd say wargs have some serious stealth competition.

All of this to me is a NON-PROBLEM. Freeps/creeps should use all their skills any way they can to win the battle (except that giggling hunter on the post of course).

But hey! I FINALLY have figured out what the REAL core pvmp problem is!

.........although I ain't sayin.....because it ain't fixable.

This literally made me Lol'z... #1"- Share the fun/elf stealth/hobbit stealth
Are terrible ways to stealth, granted its still stealth, but any creep can see u coming a mile away and your movement speed is next to 0. Its more of a liability then a sucess.. #2-Hunter stealth is comparable to lie in wait ( as for the hunters on the exploit pillar shame on them, ive never used it and never will). Burgs stealth like wargs so really, its close to the same. Thats why most creeps have very high stealth detect, I run into that problem with all the wargs.

If I stealth the odds of a warg pouncing me when im in stealth is huge, same with all the other racial stealths/share the fun(which very very few burgs use anyways). So atleast to me that part of your post is kinda invalid.

#3 this is the part that made me lol'z the most...."Throw in tactics that have a stealth-like effect, i.e. hoards of freeps on fast horses appearing out of no where, the pile of freeps behind that rock/tree (oops, should have added the tree/rock thingy to creep side, too ) etc.," Are u kidding me? Us using coordination to hide behind a tree is stealth like tactics? I call it ingenuity, and if ur not smart enough to use it as well then, y'all got a lot more to learn. And creeps have maps, I can recall several times where a small group I was in was passing GTA as a big creep group mapped there and rolled us so, does that count a stealth like too?

That is all, not QQing, miss dwarro and its peoples, havent been on in a week due to my new job. Take care all!

-Atador

Hey Viduo,

That claim about wargs not wanting to 1vs1 is not completely true. I remember trying to get the jump on you with my lowly r4 warg four or five months ago while you were doing dailys out in Groth. Needless to say, even with disappear and sprint you still managed to chase me halfway through Isendeep and crush me, lol. Lesson learned - the hard way!!!

So the summary of this book of angst is.... Ata and I should duo again? Okay omw.

(and as a note about wargs soloing, Lav said he jumped Zidia dozens of times to learn his rotation and how to counter it, part of how he learned to get his large chunk of points without 13 other wargs in a group :P. He decided he wanted to be the best at his class that he could be, he jumped one of the best targets for practice And fyi, what Vid says is about the only practical explanation as to why warg raids typically are a detriment to sustained pvp, glad the Moors have been pretty good lately without that bs though lol)

Originally Posted by Gutzag22

This literally made me Lol'z... #1"- Share the fun/elf stealth/hobbit stealth
Are terrible ways to stealth, granted its still stealth, but any creep can see u coming a mile away and your movement speed is next to 0. Its more of a liability then a sucess.. #2-Hunter stealth is comparable to lie in wait ( as for the hunters on the exploit pillar shame on them, ive never used it and never will). Burgs stealth like wargs so really, its close to the same. Thats why most creeps have very high stealth detect, I run into that problem with all the wargs.

If I stealth the odds of a warg pouncing me when im in stealth is huge, same with all the other racial stealths/share the fun(which very very few burgs use anyways). So atleast to me that part of your post is kinda invalid.

#3 this is the part that made me lol'z the most...."Throw in tactics that have a stealth-like effect, i.e. hoards of freeps on fast horses appearing out of no where, the pile of freeps behind that rock/tree (oops, should have added the tree/rock thingy to creep side, too ) etc.," Are u kidding me? Us using coordination to hide behind a tree is stealth like tactics? I call it ingenuity, and if ur not smart enough to use it as well then, y'all got a lot more to learn. And creeps have maps, I can recall several times where a small group I was in was passing GTA as a big creep group mapped there and rolled us so, does that count a stealth like too?

That is all, not QQing, miss dwarro and its peoples, havent been on in a week due to my new job. Take care all!

-Atador

ummmm....sorry you took this post so serious to the point of dissected response....it was 90% in jest ( I'm sure you didn't think I seriously thought a second account was a form of stealth) with the other 10% trying to make the point that we all have to deal with stealth attacks, with more versions available freep side...

Besides, I distinctly remember stating that I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ANY OF IT (besides the bridge post attacks).

Good luck in that new job! 8D