Thread: Captains Buffs Need To Overwrite

Let me give you a quick rundown of what happened, and bear in mind that this has happened to me in many different places at random given times (the following is merely one of many examples):

I was walking in 21st hall when another Captain buffed me. I was about to go and do a hard quest where I wanted the parry buff. Now because this other Captain randomly gave me a crit buff, I was unable to overwrite it by trying to put a parry buff on myself. He also put a crit buff on my herald! The herald has useless defenses, and I always have a parry buff on it; Always. I was forced to re-summon my herald in order to put the proper buff on it... I hadn't given my location much thought, because immediately the Captain nearby that had originally buffed my pet buffed the new one I summoned. So I had to walk away and around the corner where he couldn't see me to summon and buff my pet with the desired buff.

If you try to overwrite buffs that are on you or your pets that another Captain put on, the game does not allow it. Why is this?

I think the buffs should overwrite. To me, it makes no sense that they don't.

I think they do overwrite, but only if the buff is "better". IE: A maxxed cappy's buff would overwrite a lower level, but not the other way round. However, there may be issues with certain legacy-improved buffs, where a lower level cappy could have a higher magnitude buff, so I'm not sure what happens there. I would assume it would overwrite based on the magnitude as well.

If you can't get the buff to apply, you could ask the original cappy to give you the right buff instead.

I have never had an issue overwriting one type of buff with another.

I realize that it doesn't overwrite the superior buffs, but these weren't the same buffs, and it would make more sense if I had been trying to overwrite his buff with the same kind of buff, but I wasn't. I was trying to put a parry on me, and he had put a crit on me. It should overwrite.

Or a captain putting a buff on himself should overwrite.

I've had the very same thing happen, when I was a squishy beginning clueless cappy, I had the parry buff on me. A drive by buffer in Bree (say that ten times fast) put crit on me. I was too low level to benefit from crit at all, but now needed to stall a half hour before I could take on what I wanted to take on.

It ends up being game-mandated griefing in a perverse way.

I also change buffs as the need warrants. Maybe parry to start an overwhelming fight, crit after a couple MOBs have been knocked down and I'm taking less damage, then ICPR for the end. Can't if someone has a higher powered one stuck on me.

The other solution would be to make the buffs much shorter duration, but that would be worse the majority of the time.

The one good thing was I learned to never, ever, buff another captain randomly, or lower level folks grouped with a cappy.



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Originally Posted by Graycient

Let me give you a quick rundown of what happened, and bear in mind that this has happened to me in many different places at random given times (the following is merely one of many examples):

I was walking in 21st hall when another Captain buffed me. I was about to go and do a hard quest where I wanted the parry buff. Now because this other Captain randomly gave me a crit buff, I was unable to overwrite it by trying to put a parry buff on myself. He also put a crit buff on my herald! The herald has useless defenses, and I always have a parry buff on it; Always. I was forced to re-summon my herald in order to put the proper buff on it... I hadn't given my location much thought, because immediately the Captain nearby that had originally buffed my pet buffed the new one I summoned. So I had to walk away and around the corner where he couldn't see me to summon and buff my pet with the desired buff.

If you try to overwrite buffs that are on you or your pets that another Captain put on, the game does not allow it. Why is this?

I think the buffs should overwrite. To me, it makes no sense that they don't.

This is very weird, and I don't understand how it works.

It used to be that only superior captain buffs overwrote lesser ones. In other words, a 1500 crit buff would over-write a 1460 one, or w/e the max is on third age legacies. But I was in a group with another captain other day, and his lesser buffs were over-writing mine. It was midly annoying. We all know that extra 40 crit is so important.

Now you are saying you couldn't over-write the other captain's buff. So I dunno... I'm confused. I can tell you this though, captain buffs deffinitely do overwrite each other - though exactly the circumstance that allows this to take place I am not sure. Perhaps it's level based... I dunno.

yea i griefed a friend of mine the other day who was leveling his captain... overwriting his crit buff with an unlegacie'd icpr buff.
bwahahah.

This came up awhile ago, I believe we tested it.
Basically if you're a lower level (regardless of legacies) you can't overwrite higher level tactics. (if that wasn't obvious)

Don't ask me why this is the case.

Originally Posted by DuneBug

yea i griefed a friend of mine the other day who was leveling his captain... overwriting his crit buff with an unlegacie'd icpr buff.
bwahahah.

This came up awhile ago, I believe we tested it.
Basically if you're a lower level (regardless of legacies) you can't overwrite higher level tactics. (if that wasn't obvious)

Don't ask me why this is the case.

I see. Well that clears that up. It was confusing me pretty bad, because it used to not work that way.

That was one of the main reasons I bothered getting up second ages for my buffs, was so other captain's couldn't over-write me. Then of course they had to go and change how it works and make it level-based... lol. Figures.

Ah. Well it's frustrating for me.

Originally Posted by DuneBug

yea i griefed a friend of mine the other day who was leveling his captain... overwriting his crit buff with an unlegacie'd icpr buff.
bwahahah.

There's a cappy who hangs around galtrev randomly sparring people. If he sees a cappy he will give them the unlegged focus buff then request a spar. He also uses last stand in a spar. I haven't sparred him since the last stand incident but I'll bet he would give you focus at the start of the fight too.

i cast Focus on all low level capns.

enjoy fuggers.

Haha the best is when you cast parry on champions with fervour XD

A solutions?there should be a way like: right click on buff - remove

Originally Posted by Armitas

There's a cappy who hangs around galtrev randomly sparring people. If he sees a cappy he will give them the unlegged focus buff then request a spar. He also uses last stand in a spar. I haven't sparred him since the last stand incident but I'll bet he would give you focus at the start of the fight too.

thats quite lame....

Good news!

From the Bullroarer notes:

Captain

• For Captain's Tactics buffs, the higher magnitude effect will overwrite the lower even if the Captain buffing is lower level. As a side effect of this change one Tactics buff will now overwrite a different Tactics buff. For example: a high level Captain drive-by buffs Tactics:On Guard but you really want Tactic:Focus. Now Tactic: Focus will overwrite the Tactic:On Guard buff regardless of the relative levels of the Captains involved.

I honestly never noticed this before the OP brought it up, but I'm glad they fixed it anyway. :P

This was a good change, but still has a few issues.

Example: my level 59 Captain was doing a raid with a PUG two days ago. A lvl 75 Captain buffed us all with his (happily for me) higher +crit buff. Raid completed, some of us move on to doing a 6-man instance. My lvl 59 is now the sole Captain in sight. As we all eat food and set up for the final area + boss, I go to re-buff everyone, only to find that I CAN'T. BuffBars says I have 3 mins remaining on Tactics:Relentless Attack and try how I might, my own buff just won't stick. I wound up having to cycle through the squad buffing +Parry, then go back around buffing +Crit. Game breaking? Not at all. Annoying as heck and a waste of time...yes indeedy. Like I said, glad they changed it so that different Tactics types are over-writable now, but there are still a few kinks.

Why we cant disable buffs?

Originally Posted by Thaodan

Why we cant disable buffs?

Unlike WoW, you can't dismiss a buff by right clicking it.

Originally Posted by Eldurwen

This was a good change, but still has a few issues.

Example: my level 59 Captain was doing a raid with a PUG two days ago. A lvl 75 Captain buffed us all with his (happily for me) higher +crit buff. Raid completed, some of us move on to doing a 6-man instance. My lvl 59 is now the sole Captain in sight. As we all eat food and set up for the final area + boss, I go to re-buff everyone, only to find that I CAN'T. BuffBars says I have 3 mins remaining on Tactics:Relentless Attack and try how I might, my own buff just won't stick. I wound up having to cycle through the squad buffing +Parry, then go back around buffing +Crit. Game breaking? Not at all. Annoying as heck and a waste of time...yes indeedy. Like I said, glad they changed it so that different Tactics types are over-writable now, but there are still a few kinks.

So having the higher +Crit on yourself made it impossible for you to +Crit-buff the rest of the fellowship? That's a wierd effect...

Originally Posted by Cadd_EU

So having the higher +Crit on yourself made it impossible for you to +Crit-buff the rest of the fellowship? That's a wierd effect...

Yeah, I have trouble believing that.

Anyway, now buffs overwrite.

Originally Posted by Nakiami

Yeah, I have trouble believing that.

Anyway, now buffs overwrite.

Cure is worse than disease, this "feature" has resulted in an irritating bug...

read http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...67#post6167967


Captain

• Tactics can only be refreshed if you switch to another tactic and then back to the one you want refreshed

Sigh.

Oof.

Well, since it's in the known issues, with any luck it'll be fixed by U7.1. And with even more luck, U7.1 won't take too long.