I was wondering if any other guardians are having to work harder to maintain agro in the past 3-4 weeks than they had previously.
To give some background, I recently got a First Age belt with maxed Threat up legacy, 5% perceived threat, and 3% taunt generations. And I've been running in threat stance lately, traited blue-line for the extra 8% threat.
I had very limited agro problems running in block stance 2 months ago. Now, I will have issues running in threat with the aforementioned traits/gear. Perhaps this is because I raid with a bunch of First Age DPSers, but it certainly seems like I'm struggling for agro, whereas I didn't so much before.
Anyone else had a similar experience, or am I just regressing in my agro abilities?
I believe every tank that raids ToO t2 has the same problems once in a while. Basically, the dpsers have all FA's and bosses like the F/F, acid, shadow ones, need everyone to go full dps right off the bat. Also, guardians tend to have low finesse and since we don't have much agility, we tend to miss sometimes. While hunters and champions are criting them hard with huge devs.
All those runs need skill, patient, and luck as well. If you generate a lot of agro at the start, chances are you'll be good... if you're getting resisted and not getting blocks, chances are you'll lose agro in about 20/30 seconds or so.
If anything, we just need a revamp in certain skills for the next update, because dpers are always getting more dps while we kinda stay the same way each and every time.
However, we gotta keep on trying and always try our best. Sometimes things go wrong, others times go right, and this is it for everyone. If it was easy to tank stuff like ToO t2 there would be no challenge.
yah I'd bet its mostly because of your group having all the FAs now. 10-15k crits are not an exception anymore. They are very common. Frankly, guardians have mostly been ignored and while most other classses have been getting big DPS updates our agro mechanics have remained static. If a hunter/rk strings three or four crits together he's blown through your lead in agro and you're left going...###!? This is when engage is best friend in the whole wide world though.
on a side note, I've had to start traiting CtD (dumbest skill because of 10m cd) now just to make sure I have that emergency OH ####E engage....Damn dpsers hitting hard anyway!
I've had the unusual experience of losing aggro to RK DPS lately. As I understand it, they lost some of their aggro management skills in a recent update and are still adjusting their rotations.
I've had the unusual experience of losing aggro to RK DPS lately. As I understand it, they lost some of their aggro management skills in a recent update and are still adjusting their rotations.
I also encountered similar problems. That usually happened in ToO when my initial taunts missed or were resisted. I even traited for more threat and used Guardian's Threat, something that I didn't use that often before the update. I thought it was my tanking problem but apparently other guardians in my kin also experienced similar problems...
Hmm, perhaps it would be fair to say that increased threat from a First Age belt doesn't cover the increased threat from First Age weapons. It just seems like its more than that to me, like agro is somehow buggy or something. Because as mentioned, I would pretty easily handle agro in block stance before.
Its difficult to draw strong conclusions without any hard numbers. But at least I'm not alone in being the only one that isn't having a walk in the park in maintaining agro.
I would be interesting to hear GraalX2's thought on this as guardians threat doesnt scale with increased DPS as an expansion moves forwards. I remember when RoI was released threat seemed greatly increased and holding aggro was a almost a non-issue. As time has gone on however with better gear, relics etc, DPS at 30k+ offence, capped crit and 1st age weapons DPS is massively inflated while our threat has seen only modest increases due to hitting a little harder with melee and shield attacks. I would expect that if the +threat legacy follows the trend of other legacies, going from a 3rd to 1st age does not give us anywhere near the threat boost that a DPSer gets in terms of increased DPS.
If I swap to my Moonstone necklace (from Gregolin) then my Finesse bumps up to 18.9% and my Tactical Mitigation drops to a still respectable 60.6%.
A little further gear mix 'n matching and I can put on my Ettenmoors Boots and Shoulders for an extra 2.5% tactical mitigation for a total of 66.2% tactical mitigation, unbuffed.
There is no reason why a Guardian cannot have high Agility, Finesse and Tactical Mitigation. Unfortunately if you were to log onto to http://ttahvo.webatu.com/index.php the average level 75 Guardian only has 235 Agility and 3980 Finesse with only a tactical mitigation 10330. If you go an inspect some random Guardian's LoTRO community page oftentimes you'll see them with a huge Vitality pool in the range of 1800-2000+. Sure this will give you 20k+ morale buffed when raiding, but when I'm raiding I can still get my morale to around 17k with buffs, trail food, token, etc...
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One such Guardian whom I will not name has 2234 Vitality and 15819 Morale. Yep, pretty impressive I'll give him that, but his Agility and Finesse are o-kay, but somewhat low. On the bright side because his Vitality is so crazy high his tactical mitigation sits at 67.9% unbuffed, again very impressive. However, this Guardian still has around 350 Agility, which in my opinion is still a respectable amount. This guy has quite the extreme build and a lot of epic gear, infact I'd even go so far as to say you could build a build similar to his, ughh. I'm just using him as an example to show just how high in Vitality some people are willing to go. On the flipside, a not nearly as well-geared Guardian who aims for that high of Vitality can end up with an Agility of 150-250 and even lower Finesse than this guy. It's all about moderation and balance. If you go the extreme route and heavily sacrifice other stats you're just hurting your build more than improving it.
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Interesting setup you got there, and quite balanced(just how i like).. Sadly, i'm not a VIP player so i can't get any moors gear.
Our stats are kinda similar, although i have more vit, block rate and incoming healing while you have more parry and a bit more evade than me.
Your finesse clear outshines mine though (3.9k finesse).
Thanks
I did have to bite my pride a little bit and forgoe the full set bonuses by mix 'n matching gear set pieces. However that is only a concern when I am raiding, otherwise I can go with my 5-set Orthanc tanking set bonus that grants a threat over time on my Shield-Blow skill.
My incoming healing does kind of suck, well, it's okay, but I figure hopefully I shouldn't require that much healing if I get lucky with my partial mitigations which essentially wipe out most of the damage that I take before it even gets applied to my mitigation. People say Finesse basically wipes out your avoidances in ToO, but I like to cover my ears and tell myself otherwise. lol
I actually wish that my Evade was higher than it is since Evade is the only avoidance skill in which you can completely negate any damage. However, as I said earlier many people will tell you that in ToO enemy Finesse wipes out your avoidances (~covers my ears again~).
I've also swallowed my pride by lowering my ego and traiting Guardian's Threat so that I don't run the risk of losing aggro, ughh. I was finding that some Hunters and Burglars were occassionaly pulling aggro off of me. Saving my Engage for as long as possible, calling out Provoke and Ebbing Ire can help with this. However, if you're going to call for an Ebbing Ire make sure to do your Engage first so that you take full advantage of the Ebbing Ire.
As for not being VIP and the Ettenmoors gear... with [Haul-tager] (Pits of Isengard T2) or [Gregolin] (Foundry T2) and [Sarchol] (Pits of Isengard T2), combined with Virtues such as Fidelity and Tolerance (a couple others I cannot remember) you can increase your tactical mitigation by a large amount just with those. There's also a Pocket book that has around 700 tactical mitigation on it along with 95 vitality and maybe some morale too.
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My incoming healing does kind of suck, well, it's okay, but I figure hopefully I shouldn't require that much healing if I get lucky with my partial mitigations which essentially wipe out most of the damage that I take before it even gets applied to my mitigation. People say Finesse basically wipes out your avoidances in ToO, but I like to cover my ears and tell myself otherwise. lol
I have been thinking about this as I am starting ToO T2, and if mob do not have enough Finesse to wipe out your avoidances, they do have probably at least 20%. Which is enough to turn the situation from "avoiding most of the attacks" to "avoiding some attacks". So situations where you won't be able to avoid three attacks in a row will be numerous, no matter how high you push your avoidances. This led me to consider a larger morale pool than I was used to, and stacking incoming healing (currently at 24.8% and I am a dwarf). Now, minstrels won't heal me if their heal could top my morale, so basically I only get small heals until I get under 14k, and they start worrying under 8k.
Incoming healing also makes all the sources of small heals much more potent (HoT from captains, RK stones, RKs, minstrel HoT, etc.). This gives more breathing room to my minstrels, and they love it.
As for not being VIP and the Ettenmoors gear... with [Haul-tager] (Pits of Isengard T2) or [Gregolin] (Foundry T2) and [Sarchol] (Pits of Isengard T2), combined with Virtues such as Fidelity and Tolerance (a couple others I cannot remember) you can increase your tactical mitigation by a large amount just with those. There's also a Pocket book that has around 700 tactical mitigation on it along with 95 vitality and maybe some morale too.
Yep, i have some of those pieces(love sarchol) and i trait those virtues usually. I have 15.200 tactical mitigation unbuffed, so i think i'm ok there(capped with buffs). Agility though, would help me, especially against bosses like acid t2 boss, where i tend to miss more than i would like to.
Agility though, would help me, especially against bosses like acid t2 boss, where i tend to miss more than i would like to.
Asides from gear which takes longer to accumulate...
[Gregolin] has 63 Agility and 1513 Tactical Mitigation.
There's an Ox-Clan barter necklace [Ancient Moonstone and Aquamarine Necklace] that has 77 Agility and 1k Finesse on it.
There's a Galtrev bracelet [Bracelet of Wrath's Hour] that has 92 Agility, 92 Might and 328 Crit on it.
There's the [Exquisite Great River Ring of Valour] that has a little bit of everything on it including Finesse.
You can even add an Agility minor legacy on a legendary item, or add a Stangard scroll that adds Agility plus either Physical/Tactical mitigation.
Most tanks that start to inquire about Agility tend to be happy with an Agility around 350-450. The Galtrev (Draigoch) set is horrible for Agility. So if you want a bit more Agility and already have the jewellery that you want, then try getting some of the Orthanc pieces.
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A little further gear mix 'n matching and I can put on my Ettenmoors Boots and Shoulders for an extra 2.5% tactical mitigation for a total of 66.2% tactical mitigation, unbuffed.
I find it extremely hard to believe those are your unbuffed stats. In particular, I can't see how your unbuffed tact mit could be over 14k with such little vit, and based on what you're shown as wearing on my.lotro (no bonus from neck or cloak, and esp considering you are using a 2h so have no stats from shield etc... zz, its a pretty ridiculous claim really).
Pretty sure your stats were captured most recently with buffs. I don't believe you can get tact mit that high unbuffed without sacrificing more might
That said in my tanking build when buffed I usually have ~650 agi and over 4k finesse so I do agree people should aim for that.
I find it extremely hard to believe those are your unbuffed stats. In particular, I can't see how your unbuffed tact mit could be over 14k with such little vit, and based on what you're shown as wearing on my.lotro (no bonus from neck or cloak, and esp considering you are using a 2h so have no stats from shield etc... zz, its a pretty ridiculous claim really).
Pretty sure your stats were captured most recently with buffs. I don't believe you can get tact mit that high unbuffed without sacrificing more might
That said in my tanking build when buffed I usually have ~650 agi and over 4k finesse so I do agree people should aim for that.
You realize of course that you are basing that judgement off of the community page which is a snapshot of your character at a certain time? I have 3-1/2 inventory bags that are completely full of gear and jewellery that I use for swapping. If you watch any of my videos about 10-15% of my screen at least is filled with TonicBars that I use for my quick gear/jewellery swapping. Anywho, I'll follow-up this post with screenshots of my various builds since I'm making ridiculous claims.
These are all builds that I use on a daily basis depending on what kind of content I am doing. I also have 4 of 6 of the Moors pieces but since this topic is on PvE content I won't bother posting that.
I should note that while my tanking builds have morale that fluxuate unbuffed in the range of 12-14k that this is plenty enough morale for my style of builds to be a solid tank in ToO. I have *solo* tanked Lightning boss T2 (I give credit to my high Resistance rating *edit: many people are saying this is simply due to my tanking strategy and less to do with resistance, I suppose it could be phsycological). I have kited all three wargs in the acid wing on T2 at the same time (which by the way I still get told over and over by pug and kinship leaders that Guardians are not capable of tank kiting.. I've tank kited 12-man Survival Barrow Downs and GB Maze back when they were still popular). I've completed all wings on Tier 2 except for Saruman which I have only completed on Tier 1.
I'm just saying this because since the stat caps got removed I have been preaching from day one that morale stacking to ~20k morale unbuffed doesn't necessarily make you a good tank, you *may* just be a meat shield heal sponge, or you could be a good tank. Personally, I like a balanced build. In the end it all comes down to how you play your character.
*edit: I'm looking at my original post which you claim as ridiculous. I have so much gear and jewellery that I guess I didn't quite replicate that in my seven screenshots (actually 14 screenshots since I had to piece them together to fit on all of the stats). If you like I can find the EXACT gear and jewellery that I had on to replicate those stats PRECISELY to every number. But I think you get the point. I've already spent over 90 minutes creating these posts. If there is one thing I dislike more than anything is being called a liar and accusations that paint me out to be *making ridiculous claims*.
Originally Posted by Evendale
I find it extremely hard to believe those are your unbuffed stats. In particular, I can't see how your unbuffed tact mit could be over 14k with such little vit, and based on what you're shown as wearing on my.lotro (no bonus from neck or cloak, and esp considering you are using a 2h so have no stats from shield etc... zz, its a pretty ridiculous claim really).
Pretty sure your stats were captured most recently with buffs. I don't believe you can get tact mit that high unbuffed without sacrificing more might
That said in my tanking build when buffed I usually have ~650 agi and over 4k finesse so I do agree people should aim for that.
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Extreme DPS * This build is not yet complete as I want to add the Exemplar set to it for further Might.
* This is the type of build that I use when I have a really good tank and we are either horsing around or doing a speed run.
Moderate DPS * This is the build that I use when I want a little extra dps but I don't want to feel so squishy.
Standard DPS * This is my standard dps build where I have a nice cushion of Morale while still having a nice amount of Might.
Tactical DPS * This is my dps build that I use when I am either raiding or doing 3/6-man content where there is lots of tactical damage.
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Tank pure Tactical * This is my tank build that I would use for raiding and 3/6-man content that has lots of tactical damage.
* Oftentimes group buffs will cap me at 70% so I really don't need to be this high.
^ LM Raven, Cappy +75 Vitality, Minstrel Anthem of Compure and possibly Tale of Battle although more likely Tale of Heroism, +74 Vitality Trail Food, +5 Hope Token
Tank standard * This is my standard tank build that I use when I don't have to worry about tactical damage, or at least as much of it.
* In this build I focus more heavily on Finesse.
Tank Tactical with Finesse * This tank build is similar to my tank build for pure tactical mitigation except that by swapping some items I only just slightly lower my tactical mitigation but increase my Finesse by 2k.
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Your builds look very, very nice and you're obviously a skilled guardian, but isn't the health too low for ToO T2? I'll probally have some more questions later but I'll send them in a PM.
Edit: Which shield do you use?
Edit 2: And only one of your tanking builds seems to have 5/6 orthanc pieces for the ToT.
Last edited by CuruornEU; Apr 26 2012 at 10:14 AM.
How many resists do you get? One time I did Lightning and Acid boss T2C I looked at my total resists over 36min of fighting and I had 3 (0,2%) resists with 18,8% resistance.
How many resists do you get? One time I did Lightning and Acid boss T2C I looked at my total resists over 36min of fighting and I had 3 (0,2%) resists with 18,8% resistance.
Other people have said that too, but try running it with and without resistance. Maybe it's just not registering as a resist but the resistance is still working towards allowing you to better manage your static charge. It could be me getting lucky or pure phsycological, but I wouldn't do Kalbak without Resistance anymore.
Here's a video of a Guardian with ONLY 17k morale totally buffed up, so similar to my build, solo tanking Kalbak T2.
Last edited by thatabguy; Apr 26 2012 at 12:40 PM.
Your builds look very, very nice and you're obviously a skilled guardian, but isn't the health too low for ToO T2? I'll probally have some more questions later but I'll send them in a PM.
Edit: Which shield do you use?
Edit 2: And only one of your tanking builds seems to have 5/6 orthanc pieces for the ToT.
My shield is a PoS Heronamath. The new combat shield is pretty sexy though.
I have full Orthanc tank set, full Orthanc dps set, full Galtrev set, 4/6 Moors set, full Martyr set, full Victors set, and am working towards my Exemplars set. But I do a lot of mix 'n matching depending on which stats I am trying to deliberately increase. As for the 5-set ToT bonus, I'm a Litany Master Guardian anyway so most of my skills apply ToT on critical hits as is.
99% of people in LoTRO believe that a tank MUST HAVE at least 15k morale unbuffed, and most strive to get their morale close to 20k unbuffed and drool over Guardians that have gotten their morale to 20k unbuffed. Most would be scared to tank Kalbak T2 without having over 20k morale buffed (see my previous post where I linked a video of a Guardian solo tanking Kalbak T2 with only 17k morale completely buffed) I'll quote Coldbear the Wight from Sâri-surma, "You will stand still and take it!" (<-- me making a reference to meat shields).
I also venture into highly debatable territory and start each encounter with Guardian's Pledge (with the exception of Kalbak where I reserve my Pledges for when my Static happens to build up) and Challenge. Healers are most vulnerable to heal aggro at the start of a battle, so if Pledge helps to minimize that risk then I don't mind blowing a cooldown for that. I'm also a firm believer in blowing all of my cooldowns early and often, and using them once their cooldowns are up. As far as I'm concerned, if the encounter is going South then saving my OH ____! skills is only very hopeful at best to save the day.
Last edited by thatabguy; Apr 26 2012 at 12:43 PM.
Other people have said that too, but try running it with and without resistance. Maybe it's just not registering as a resist but the resistance is still working towards allowing you to better manage your static charge. It could be me getting lucky or pure phsycological, but I wouldn't do Kalbak without Resistance anymore.
The one thing that I've seen affect Static Charge buildup is BPE. If Resistance affects it it doesn't do so very well from what I've seen. I was under the impression the tiering was due to his physical attacks landing, so there's no resist check.
Having said that I haven't specifically looked for resists to Static Charge. Is there such a thing?
The one thing that I've seen affect Static Charge buildup is BPE. If Resistance affects it it doesn't do so very well from what I've seen. I was under the impression the tiering was due to his physical attacks landing, so there's no resist check.
Having said that I haven't specifically looked for resists to Static Charge. Is there such a thing?
I mean, it could be phsycological because I do move him around a lot. And whenever my static charge does build up I use my Pledge to tier it back down. Still, and it could be phsycological, but I swear Resistance helps. But I've never been a spank 'n tank either, I always kite tank everything except for Fire/Frost, Acid and Shadow bosses. For Saruman I historically have kite-tanked all of the Sarumans at once, but now that Warden aggro is so OP we just get Wardens to do that now.
Other people have said that too, but try running it with and without resistance. Maybe it's just not registering as a resist but the resistance is still working towards allowing you to better manage your static charge. It could be me getting lucky or pure phsycological, but I wouldn't do Kalbak without Resistance anymore.
Here's a video of a Guardian with ONLY 17k morale totally buffed up, so similar to my build, solo tanking Kalbak T2.
Not really anything to jump in the roof about, maybe if the number was 30-40 I would trait for it but as it is now I wouldn't
Like I said, it could be phsycological or it could be my tanking strategy. But when I run Tier 1 for a quick speed run I don't even move anymore, I just stand still and solo tank and my avoidances are not as high as a Warden. Perhaps the Resist that you see is when you Resist a Static Charge being placed on you, but maybe there's a hidden resist or they tier down faster when your resistance is higher. On Tier 2 of course you are forced to move whether you want to or not.
For a really nice application of Resistance try running Resistance in Roots of Fangorn.
Only care about ToO Tier 2/C since that is the place I might die
heh, you have better gear and stats than me. I personally hate raiding because I get really stressed out leading them. I actually dropped out of kinship running and just run with my brother now doing pug raid runs. I initially took the reins but have since given them to him now that he has experience since he for some strange bizarre reason he actually enjoys leading raids. So I can just sit back and not have to feel responsible for the safety of everyone.
I also hate tanking and when givin the option will prefer to spec for dps. Too many pug runs for me I guess. I just get really pissed off when we're still killing stuff and the RK or Hunter goes off to aggro more stuff. In their mind they're trying to help out by making the run go faster but I like to do AoE aggro in the middle of unactive groups. When RKs and Hunters run ahead and aggro stuff they do-so single target and thus the other targets in the mob head straight for the healers and captain due to heal aggro. When I pug join I just grudingly take it but I'm cursing like a mad man in my head.. when I'm pug leading I dismiss them without warning because I have a zero-tolerance policy for that behaviour.
From the video posted above it seemed to me all resists were to tactical attacks (mostly from the light that spawns), not to those which apply/raise Static Charge. If you want to affect that particular mechanic I'm still thinking Resistance does nothing; stack BPE.
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Eh ok I admit that is some pretty nice builds; I guess the PvP gear adds more tact mit than I realized (of course you're trading in a sizable chunk of incoming healing and a hefty amount of morale for that extra might).
That said, I stand by my statement that the stats you posted before must have included buffs. None of your posts below have as high stats including tact mit while you're wearing a 2h and not getting tact mit bonuses from your neck/cloak (which you were in the stats you posted originally and I took a screenshot of your my.lotro page just in case ).
... but I could be totally wrong if the stats in my lotro are captured at a different time than your is gear captured in my.lotro which would be:
a) odd coding (I suppose that's what we should expect from Turbine by now)
b) news to me
c) wouldn't correspond to the fact that my stats have always matched my gear when I check my toon on mylotro
(NB: stats on LOTRO StatCheck are from the same source as my.lotro afaict)
+miss chance debuffs help a tonne for making static charge not build up. Getting a little extra avoidance makes a big difference, but not even close to as much of a difference as an extra DiTE will make.
The last time I tanked Kalbak, I was solo tanking for the entire fight, and didn't even get close to 10 at any point during the fight (admittedly I must have been very lucky).
That said, I stand by my statement that the stats you posted before must have included buffs. None of your posts below have as high stats including tact mit while you're wearing a 2h and not getting tact mit bonuses from your neck/cloak (which you were in the stats you posted originally and I took a screenshot of your my.lotro page just in case ).
Evendale you're such a smart guy as you made the LUA plugin CombatAnalysis (which is such a beautiful plugin btw) but sometimes you look with blinders over your eyes. I already told you that the my.lotro page is a screenshot of however I logged off. I have over 3-1/2 inventory bags full of gear and jewellery that I use for quick-swapping, and another couple dozen items in my Vault that collect dust. Looking at the my.lotro page is completely useless. And no where in the entire post do I mention ANYTHING about 2H or Overpower. The whole point of the Originating Poster's thread discussion was on tanking, why oh why would I post about Overpower? Evendale, come on! You're smarter than this, take the blinders off. If there was ever any doubt about how often I run in Overpower and the various builds that I have for Overpower.. take note that I hate tanking, I only allow myself to spec for tanking if I'm raiding and there is no one else to tank. For 3/6-man instances I refuse to spec for tanking because I think that I can contribute more in my various dps specs, oh and because it is much funner. Over the past year I would say that over 95% of my Guardian play has been in Overpower.
Originally Posted by thatabguy
If you play with your gear a little bit (mix 'n matching between sets) then there is no reason why you cannot have both high Agility and Finesse.
This is a tanking build as per the OP's thread and inquiry... what would make you think otherwise. Why would I open myself up to trolling and embarassment by posting an Overpower build with 920 Might?
Originally Posted by Evendale
(NB: stats on LOTRO StatCheck are from the same source as my.lotro afaict)
Stats from LoTRO StatCheck are not taken from my.lotro automatically. The administrator keeps a private database and the database is only updated whenever you type someones name into the search field.
Now, this took me awhile to figure out the exact gear combination to almost match the above stats as closely as possible. Even then, it's not exact. Trying to find an exact gear / jewellery match in my inventory bags is like trying to pick your favourite chocolate out of a variety box of chocolates that doesn't have any labels. To date I have full set Galtrev, full set Orthac tank, full set Orthanc dps, 4/6 Moors, full matyr set, full victor set, working on the exemplar set, skraid jewellery, RoF jewellery, blademasters cloak, protectors cloak, sarchol, haul-tager, gregolin, seven 75 SA's that I swap to for various battle scenarios of which I have Westfold and Great River relics in most of those. The list goes on... I have 7 builds that I listed in my previous posts not including my avoidance build (two of my 75 SA's are just for this build) that I use for soloing challenging content that I cannot solo in Overpower.
It should also be noted that in this above build my weapon is only using a symbol of battle (390 crit, 390 phys mastery) which I plan on replacing the crafted relic with a westfold crafted one (20 might, 540 crit, 540 phys mastery) which would further bump up my stats.
I also have plans to make an eighth 75 SA legendary item which will be a belt that I use strictly for Guradian's Threat which when done will bump up both my Block and Parry by 600 points.
And below is my best attempt at creating a meat shield build with some dusty items that have been sitting in my vault and a little more mix 'n matching. A true meat shield would probably use +30 Vitality crafted relics, the crit def + morale gem and rune, apply vitality scrolls to LI's, vitality legacies. It would take a bit of time but one could easily get their vitality 2200-2300 and their morale close to 20k seeing as how I can get my Vitality to 2k without even trying... but that's just not my thing.
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Yes, ok sorry. The numbers from mylotro, the statcheck page and what you posted all matched exactly with the gear showing a 2h is all. But yes obviously I was wrong and the mylotro must read get gear and stat values at diff times. Really I was just zzing at all the boasting going on lately.
Should i bother switching a vitality legacy for shield smash damage legacy for some extra damage and hence, threat?
My current tanking belt has Shield-Use Rank, Shield Damage and Shield-Smash all maxed, or at least pretty close to max. The largest hit that I have devasted with for Shield-Smash was something like 5.6k on one of the big Avanc worms in the Dunland Swamp in the Southwest. So it is possible to do big damage.
While I'm going to keep this belt, I'm planning on making another tanking belt that will be more geared towards Guadian's Threat. Other reasons because...
I do love Shield-Smash, and it can be great for single-target aggro, but sometimes I'm so busy AoE taunting that I don't even have time to use it.
Shield-Smash can feel slow and it sucks when it misses.
Shield damage is common by default. You can change the damage type but cannot at the same time apply shield critical chance spikes. It's either-or. So if you're hitting a target it's all with common damage or no extra crit chance.
If you're going to have a Shield-Smash belt then choose your points very wisely as it can feel like an expensive belt point-wise... Course I'm looking at your community page and you have a 1st Age belt so I guess points really isn't an issue for you.
Well concerning the *missing* part of my earlier statement, I'd recommend at least 350 Agility for someone wanting to rely on Shield-Smash hitting, which it looks like you may already have 350.
Also, I think you can barter around 1000 marks and 95 medallions for a Greater Scroll of Empowerment at the Skirmish Camp and save yourself 15g.
Last edited by thatabguy; Apr 27 2012 at 11:58 AM.
Thanks for the tips, appreciate it. I like my current belt, but given its legacies, its more of a multiple mob belt than a 1 vs 1. The best i can do is when i roll on another FA, make a belt just for 1 vs 1, where i'll include shield damage, shield smash and such.
Last edited by KrauserJoestar; Apr 27 2012 at 01:04 PM.
Yes, ok sorry. The numbers from mylotro, the statcheck page and what you posted all matched exactly with the gear showing a 2h is all. But yes obviously I was wrong and the mylotro must read get gear and stat values at diff times. Really I was just zzing at all the boasting going on lately.
Apologies for the sidetrack.
The only thing that I can think of is...
I was using my pure tactical dps build (9.4k morale unbuffed) and was possibly running with a captain and a minstrel so...
+5 Hope Token
+74 Vitality from Tale of Battle (or is it more)
+75 Vitality from IDoME
roughly 700 Morale and +1 Hope from Captain Hope Banner???
+10% Morale from Motivated <-- 940 Morale
+74 Vitality Trail Food
^223 Vitality * 5 = 1115 Morale
^I'm going to say +6% Morale from +6 Hope for 564 Morale.
= 9400 + 1115 + 940 + 564 + 700 Morale
= 12719 Morale buffed
^223 Vitality * 4 = 892 Tactical Mitigation
= 13086 + 892
= 13978 Tactical Mitigation buffed (not including Guardian's Ward and Anthem of Composure)
I was wondering if any other guardians are having to work harder to maintain agro in the past 3-4 weeks than they had previously.
To give some background, I recently got a First Age belt with maxed Threat up legacy, 5% perceived threat, and 3% taunt generations. And I've been running in threat stance lately, traited blue-line for the extra 8% threat.
I had very limited agro problems running in block stance 2 months ago. Now, I will have issues running in threat with the aforementioned traits/gear. Perhaps this is because I raid with a bunch of First Age DPSers, but it certainly seems like I'm struggling for agro, whereas I didn't so much before.
Anyone else had a similar experience, or am I just regressing in my agro abilities?
During ToO T2, namely Acid Challenge (the 1.6m morale in 100 seconds version) full fight and Shadow Challenge Until 1st wave, where all skills are popped, before running in and unleashing. Yeah I struggle like hell and simply put, we just can't generate enough threat ourselves. We rely on full raid cooperation and precise times for certain classes to chain together certain aggro skills/reductions and even then it goes #### up, more often than not.
As a guardian, I'm looking forward to those Star-Lit Crystals, because our shield use rank will increase along with our threat gen up rating legacy I assume, whereas hunters will only increase the base dps, as most legacies are percentage based Closest thing to a threat fix as we're going to get for a while.
Thatabguy, I don't know you, or frequent the forums much but you litter the thread with self centred walls of text. The "sharing your build" thing, is nice and thoughtful but just re-read the thread, you should "hopefully" see what I mean.
One thing I see, and maybe it's just a personal thing for me, is that your incoming healing seems rather low in your tanking builds. Do your healers ever have issues with that?
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Closest thing to a threat fix as we're going to get for a while.
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