Yes, I need to play to cap a game I think is lame so I can fully appreciate exactly how lame it is.
At this point, because you played it so little, I don't care what you think of the game. I just know you are clueless about it if you only played for 2 or 3 hours. You never saw any other zone, you never saw a dungeon, maybe never saw a city, never played PvP, etc. etc. We are all just pointing out how clueless you are about the game. It is just that an educated opinion is much more interesting than, I played it once for a few hours and did not like how it looked. For an MMO, two hours is nothing.
If you even played to level 20, that would make a huge difference. Level 10 is nothing.
Its like saying: you mean I need to actually visit a city to know how lame it is? Or I need to actually watch a movie to understand it?
I always find it funny when people criticize how long people play a game to make a decision on it. It happens alot even in console games. I remember when I was reading a review about Final Fantasy 13, where the author, after playing several hours, made a statement how this was his least favorite in the series. The comments were flooded with responses like "How dare you! You didn't play long enough! The game gets better later on! You're a lazy reviewer." or my personal favorite "It gets better after Chapter 11" (For those who haven't played FF13, there are 13 chapters in the game. And no. No it doesn't -_-)
It's even funnier when it comes to movies. The best comment I heard about The Dark Knight Rises is that "You have to watch it twice in order to "get" it. If you watched it once and didn't like it, you are a pathetic reviewer."
So ,do you have to play or watch a set amount of hours to make a fair decision on whether or not you like or dislike something? Is their a hard "rule" you have to follow?
"All the things I really like to do are either immoral, illegal, or fattening." - Alexander Woollcott
So ,do you have to play or watch a set amount of hours to make a fair decision on whether or not you like or dislike something? Is their a hard "rule" you have to follow?
See its not interesting if he "liked" the game or not. I could start a game, dislike the opening picture, and tell lots of people about it. Who cares?
If you have never played a game, you have no credibility in judging it. You can say the game is terrible, but you never actually played almost any of it (like Max). It's like if I watched 5 minutes of a movie and said it was a terrible movie compared to other movies. It is just baseless. If I said I didn't like it, but only watched 5 minutes, it is just useless information. If I said I watched the whole thing, and then had a criticism, then we could respect that, even if we disagreed.
But I am suspicious. You just seem to want to support anyone saying Lotro is the best!!!!!111!!!, and argue with anyone saying WoW has any good points.
See its not interesting if he "liked" the game or not. I could start a game, dislike the opening picture, and tell lots of people about it. Who cares?
If you have never played a game, you have no credibility in judging it. You can say the game is terrible, but you never actually played almost any of it (like Max). It's like if I watched 5 minutes of a movie and said it was a terrible movie compared to other movies. It is just baseless. If I said I didn't like it, but only watched 5 minutes, it is just useless information. If I said I watched the whole thing, and then had a criticism, then we could respect that, even if we disagreed.
But I am suspicious. You just seem to want to support anyone saying Lotro is the best!!!!!111!!!, and argue with anyone saying WoW has any good points.
Thank you for the response. For what it's worth, I do agree with you. I was simply making a statement that some were criticizing Max for simply not playing "enough" of the game. I was wondering what the thought process was behind this reasoning. At least you gave a logical reason and I respect that.
As for putting down WoW? Hahahah oh boy. WoW was my first foray into MMOs and if you've read any of my previous posts (not necessarily on this topic), you'd know that I was a former player from Illidan since beta (still have my subscription, just because I actually like MoP.) So yes, WoW has a special place in my game collection, so yes I'm one of 'those' type of fanboys (ok not really. I'm nice)
I wasn't trying to offend you or any other WoW fan. I was just making an observation.
I could say the same about you: You just seem to want to support anyone saying WoW is the best!!!!!111!!!, and argue with anyone saying Lotro has any good points. Get the point?
To paraphrase the MST3K theme song "Repeat to yourself it's just a game. I should really just relax"
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"All the things I really like to do are either immoral, illegal, or fattening." - Alexander Woollcott
I'd have to agree with all the above; if you haven't played a game up to the cap, then you have no credibility in judging it as a whole. I played WoW for years and years and know the ups and downs of the game quite well, and that's mainly in PvP. I'm not very well-rehearsed on the raiding aspect of WoW, so there's a lot to go through on that game.
Hopefully, you will gain a larger grasp of the game but also get a feel for WoW. In my opinion, I think you are dismissing WoW based on the rumours you hear and your 'acquired perception' of WoW which was inherited from your peers and the reviewers. There's a lot more to WoW and it should surely have some appeal to you. May I also recommend rolling on the RP servers? Generally, the RP servers have the more mature communities, and I myself happen to be on one of them. :-)
At this point, because you played it so little, I don't care what you think of the game. I just know you are clueless about it if you only played for 2 or 3 hours. You never saw any other zone, you never saw a dungeon, maybe never saw a city, never played PvP, etc. etc. We are all just pointing out how clueless you are about the game.
Me: I read The Stand. It was lame. I don't like Stephen King's books.
You: No, you have to read at least 5 of them before you can tell.
Y'all need to read and process:
"I played it until level 10. I found it, to that point, uninspiring, simplistic, juvenile and boring and the graphics dated and cartoony."
I'd have to agree with all the above; if you haven't played a game up to the cap, then you have no credibility in judging it as a whole.
I'd disagree with that.
You don't have to have played every single aspect of a game to know if it's to your liking or not.
I bought the "vanilla" WoW after WotLK came out. I did level 2 characters, 1 Horde 1 Alliance so I'd get both "sides" of the game, to 60, since that's where I was capped without the xpacks.
What ever opinion I had established at 60, and probably well before, would be no less valid then waiting till 70, or 80, or now 85.
Like it was said above, if you only watch the first 5 minutes or less of a 2 hour movie and make a judgment based of that, you probably jumped the gun.
But you don't have to watch all 2 hours to know if you like, or will like, the movie.
"Away from here.
To walk a howling sea lane"- Duran Duran
Like it was said above, if you only watch the first 5 minutes or less of a 2 hour movie and make a judgment based of that, you probably jumped the gun.
But you don't have to watch all 2 hours to know if you like, or will like, the movie.
The problem is that some people have a heavy emotional investment in WoW (just as some have in LotRO). When someone has a heavy emotional investment in something, they may be inclined to regard any criticism of that thing as criticism of themselves. Kind of like making fun of an 8-year old's Pokemon collection.
Further, the attitude that "you have to experience X% of this before you can make judgments about it" is totally nonsensical when the thing in question is a piece of entertainment. I play games for fun (which is the only rational non-commercial reason to play a game). If I'm not having fun, what incentive would I possibly have to continue?
If I'm not having fun, what incentive would I possibly have to continue?
Look at this way. You go into a art gallery. You enter the first exhibition and the first 3 pictures are not to your liking and with that you decide to walk out despite the rest of gallery having different styles and portrayals.
I agree with you, you shouldn't play a game upto X amount or continue playing if you aren't having fun. But If you level to 10, theres so much you missed out from the game. I hated the levelling, the roleplay and PVP on wow. But I loved Making money on the AH and flying mounts. I stuck it out to get to that stage. Thats the point I and others maybe trying to get across. Some of the finer aspects are not on a silver plate, you have to look in depth for them. Even though I've reach max cap twice on Lotro and there are times when I say, 'I've had enough for now, nothing else left' I'll end up going to a zone I hadn't levelled in or meeting a new RPer and reinvigorate my playing experience. Same applies to wow. I'm not saying you must force yourself to play, but don't instantly cast it out as the devil incarnate bigrigs style game because you didn't like it and were unwilling to try and futher.
I'd disagree with that.
You don't have to have played every single aspect of a game to know if it's to your liking or not.
I bought the "vanilla" WoW after WotLK came out. I did level 2 characters, 1 Horde 1 Alliance so I'd get both "sides" of the game, to 60, since that's where I was capped without the xpacks.
What ever opinion I had established at 60, and probably well before, would be no less valid then waiting till 70, or 80, or now 85.
Like it was said above, if you only watch the first 5 minutes or less of a 2 hour movie and make a judgment based of that, you probably jumped the gun.
But you don't have to watch all 2 hours to know if you like, or will like, the movie.
And that's where you're wrong. You misinterpreted me, because I did not say 'every' single aspect of the game must be met. If you're a PvEer, then by all means level up how you want. The point I'm making here is that maxjenus hasn't even explored enough aspects of WoW (PvP actually kicks in AT level 10, with the dungeon-crawling and main PvE content at level 15) to even judge what the game is like.
With regards to the 'emotional attachment' in WoW, I think that's not necessarily true. I regard both LOTRO and WoW equally, and I don't see anyone who is actually frowning at your criticism of the game, but your criticisms are baseless because you haven't even played the game to the full potential. It's like only reading the first chapter of a book and then base a review of the book based on that first chapter. It's not accurate and your review would be just as so.
I think it's better you cease and desist your argument because now you're randomly comparing WoW to anything that can qualify to justify your hostility towards it. You are in effect simply trying to rationalise an unknown element. The fact you're also attempting to derail the thread by appealing to objectivity unveils many holes in your logic which can only be filled if you engage in that element which you so have hostility towards. Of course you're going to hate WoW! That is obvious; you haven't even played it!
Look at this way. You go into a art gallery. You enter the first exhibition and the first 3 pictures are not to your liking and with that you decide to walk out despite the rest of gallery having different styles and portrayals.
It takes considerably more time to play WoW to 20 from 10 than it takes to walk through an art gallery.
I agree with you, you shouldn't play a game upto X amount or continue playing if you aren't having fun. But If you level to 10, theres so much you missed out from the game. I hated the levelling, the roleplay and PVP on wow.
Whoa.
But I loved Making money on the AH and flying mounts. I stuck it out to get to that stage. Thats the point I and others maybe trying to get across. Some of the finer aspects are not on a silver plate, you have to look in depth for them.
I'm not inclined to stick my arms elbow-deep in a pile of garbage on the off-chance I might find a $5 bill in it. For a $10 million dollar diamond, sure.
Originally Posted by Mephistophelis
I think it's better you cease and desist your argument!
It takes considerably more time to play WoW to 20 from 10 than it takes to walk through an art gallery.
Whoa.
I'm not inclined to stick my arms elbow-deep in a pile of garbage on the off-chance I might find a $5 bill in it. For a $10 million dollar diamond, sure.
It takes considerably more time to play WoW to 20 from 10 than it takes to walk through an art gallery.
Sigh, come on. Use the example objectively rather than literally.
Originally Posted by maxjenius
Whoa.
Maybe hated is strong, but I really didn't like it.
Originally Posted by maxjenius
I'm not inclined to stick my arms elbow-deep in a pile of garbage on the off-chance I might find a $5 bill in it. For a $10 million dollar diamond, sure.
I'm not going to argue this because you really aren't seeing the point and your hatred for wow seems to blind any common sense you have. I found flying mounts and the AH to be my 10 million dollar diamond. You saying a 5 bill is like saying your favourite thing on Lotro is also worth 5 dollar bill no? If thats the case why do you even bother playing any mmo if the best parts are 5 dollar bills by your comparison.
Both are good games and have large following. But the hatred for both by some people on this thread is literally fan-boyism to the nth degree. It's not like WoW stole your girlfriend and rob your bank now did it? Lotro has the reputation of being a mature and decent community. A mature and decent player will say yeah, I didn't like this game but can accept it's positives not sling their toys out the pram.
The extent of this is unbelievable. I'll be frank; I was not playing WoW at the time it was happening but it must've been very frustrating for the players then, and it would surely be just as disastrous as the Blood Plague Incident in 2005.
The extent of this is unbelievable. I'll be frank; I was not playing WoW at the time it was happening but it must've been very frustrating for the players then, and it would surely be just as disastrous as the Blood Plague Incident in 2005.
That's not a criticism of WoW so much as a criticism of people who take WoW way too seriously. Pretty over-the-top to describe what happened to game characters as "death." Not that LotRO is free of such childishness. Now if the hack led to compromising credit card info and such, that's another matter. But if it only affected in-game stuff? Puh-lease.
That's not a criticism of WoW so much as a criticism of people who take WoW way too seriously. Pretty over-the-top to describe what happened to game characters as "death." Not that LotRO is free of such childishness. Now if the hack led to compromising credit card info and such, that's another matter. But if it only affected in-game stuff? Puh-lease.
One of the main criticisms I have of WoW is the fact because it's such a large game, it's very difficult to manage the security on WoW. It's very easy to have your account information compromised on WoW, nevertheless when I was playing I received a few PMs from gold-sellers. Interestingly enough, they were not bots and I managed to converse with one of them seeking a justification for their actions. The result received my utmost sympathy, and I was just not sure whether to report them or not. :-/ I installed an addon to block any further PMs from such characters though, since I don't want to be burdened by the reality behind it.
You got two games, two games with an amazing lore. (I'd like to say I dont like how WoW picked up from wc3)
Lotro's been more of an adventure to me than WoW, GW2 & Runescape. I dont know why people would like WoW better than Lotro, but I know why people would play any of these games
“Progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things”
Despite the heated debate, I thought I'd raise one criticism of WoW relating to a certain event .... it must've been very frustrating for the players then, ...
Oh yes. Having a character die, when you can just resurrect, is VERY VERY frustrating. NOT
What is the big deal of this? I would be more frustrated if a company released personal information (let my account get hacked) and then refused to say whether credit card information was stolen. Yes, I am looking at you, Turbine.
But seriously, why would I care if my character died in WoW? Just resurrect. Or log out and come back a few minutes later. I would have actually like to see it - something interesting happening.
So I assume you guys wouldn't care if you were questing or crafting or pvmping and you just died randomly and were stocked with a heavy repair bill.
It's not a massive problem but it's not fun to have. Considering they could do it repeatedly till they banned the hacker isn't exaclty fun on the players.
Indeed, and there is a resurrection timer, so it can delay a player's activities on WoW. Repair bills are also quite harsh on WoW at higher-levels; no doubt at level 90 they would hit hundreds of gold. You wouldn't know how frustrating it is to constantly be one-shotted over and over again, because it is a form of camping - ESPECIALLY when you're trying to escape but can't because the hack affects an area within a large radius.
Lol,
I am not buying it. If I was desperate to finish something right then, then maybe I would be annoyed. But you're not playing the game right if you can't afford two repair bills. Just log out for a few minutes if someone is bothering you. And this would never happen questing - someone would only use this hack in a city - not out where no one was. But whatever - they obviously fixed it. Can someone actually there tell me how terrible it was and how it stopped them playing?
I guess some people who need it right now might be annoyed if they can't play right then.
EDIT: I see - it happened on NO US servers, and only some EU servers. Stopped people in the major cities for about an hour from playing. The players should deifinitely have a class action law suit for damages due to losing that play time.
Funny how the mainstream media is so clueless they don't even mention that this only happened on some servers, not in the US, not in Asia, SA, etc.
So I assume you guys wouldn't care if you were questing or crafting or pvmping and you just died randomly and were stocked with a heavy repair bill.
What game are you playing? PvP is instanced (hardly any world PvP occurs much now), and no one would follow around one player and do this when they are questing. This was not a common hack - just a few players did this in the main cities. Of course you would not get hit with it PvPing or out in the wild questing.
One of the main criticisms I have of WoW is the fact because it's such a large game, it's very difficult to manage the security on WoW. It's very easy to have your account information compromised on WoW, nevertheless when I was playing I received a few PMs from gold-sellers. Interestingly enough, they were not bots and I managed to converse with one of them seeking a justification for their actions. The result received my utmost sympathy, and I was just not sure whether to report them or not. :-/ I installed an addon to block any further PMs from such characters though, since I don't want to be burdened by the reality behind it.
Now, wait a minute, account compromises are serious. Was this an in-game-only hack or an account-level hack (or do they not even know)?
Originally Posted by Kheldaran
So I assume you guys wouldn't care if you were questing or crafting or pvmping and you just died randomly and were stocked with a heavy repair bill.
You mean I'd have to spend some of my hard-earned, pretend in-game money to repair some of my pretend in-game gear for my pretend in-game computer person?
It's not a massive problem but it's not fun to have. Considering they could do it repeatedly till they banned the hacker isn't exaclty fun on the players.
No, it's not ideal, but it's not worth having an infarc over. If it kept happening, I'd just quit playing.
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Lol,
I am not buying it. If I was desperate to finish something right then, then maybe I would be annoyed. But you're not playing the game right if you can't afford two repair bills. Just log out for a few minutes if someone is bothering you. And this would never happen questing - someone would only use this hack in a city - not out where no one was. But whatever - they obviously fixed it. Can someone actually there tell me how terrible it was and how it stopped them playing?
I guess some people who need it right now might be annoyed if they can't play right then.
EDIT: I see - it happened on NO US servers, and only some EU servers. Stopped people in the major cities for about an hour from playing. The players should deifinitely have a class action law suit for damages due to losing that play time.
Funny how the mainstream media is so clueless they don't even mention that this only happened on some servers, not in the US, not in Asia, SA, etc.
A "class action law suit"? Lmao. You are hilarious!
Originally Posted by Cindir
What game are you playing? PvP is instanced (hardly any world PvP occurs much now), and no one would follow around one player and do this when they are questing. This was not a common hack - just a few players did this in the main cities. Of course you would not get hit with it PvPing or out in the wild questing.
WPvP does exist. You just need to find the action somewhere in the open-world because, as you know, WoW's open world is very vast. :-)
Originally Posted by maxjenius
Now, wait a minute, account compromises are serious. Was this an in-game-only hack or an account-level hack (or do they not even know)?
You mean I'd have to spend some of my hard-earned, pretend in-game money to repair some of my pretend in-game gear for my pretend in-game computer person?
No, it's not ideal, but it's not worth having an infarc over. If it kept happening, I'd just quit playing.
The in-game hack was hotfixed immediately, but clearly you didn't differentiate between an 'account' hack and an 'ingame' hack by not reading the sources properly. It just shows that you don't think before you type.
Me: I read The Stand. It was lame. I don't like Stephen King's books.
You: No, you have to read at least 5 of them before you can tell.
OFF TOPIC COMMENT: I enjoyed The Stand and It. After reading It I never looked at a clown the sameway again....... Pennywise was one evil dude.
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, totally worn out & proclaiming "WOW, what a ride!"
Civ II rules after all these years......
OFF TOPIC COMMENT: I enjoyed The Stand and It. After reading It I never looked at a clown the sameway again....... Pennywise was one evil dude.
All clowns are evil, everyone knows that. Infact no carneys can be trusted after dark
The stand was a bit long winded in places, too much character development for my taste, but I enjoyed it too. I saw IT on TV but after realising the clown was played by Tim Curry, couldn't take the film seriously. He's a great actor and I like the guy, but he just makes me chuckle.
On topic, epic is a word used far too often these days, but the latest hacking of WoW truly was epic.
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WoW has no story?
Either you are dumb or have no clue what you're talking about.
Well, here's the thing, WoW has no cohesive story. You can have a story, but it loses its strength when it changes so many times in so many different ways, that's why the Warcraft Lore is a blessing and a curse.
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Well, here's the thing, WoW has no cohesive story. You can have a story, but it loses its strength when it changes so many times in so many different ways, that's why the Warcraft Lore is a blessing and a curse.
WoW's lore is infact pre-made in the Warcraft lore, and it possesses as much integrity as the LOTR lore. Infact, much of the lore on LOTRO is somewhat made up as well; certain elements of the Tolkien lore aren't licensed to be in LOTRO, so Turbine have to create new elements to substitute for the loss of the originals. Now, after reading this, how original do you think contrast LOTRO to WoW? Imo, I think the lore in both games are just as resolute in strength as each other.
WoW has no easily discernible story. Neither did Warcraft. Just run around kill stuff.
Or is that WoW's story?
I'd class that as LOTRO's story too. Simply run around, kill stuff and complete the quest or objectives. In LOTR, that's pretty much what's going on: a band of guys fighting the enemy, giving time for two hobbits to destroy the ring. Sounds like Warcraft to me.
WoW's lore is infact pre-made in the Warcraft lore, and it possesses as much integrity as the LOTR lore. Infact, much of the lore on LOTRO is somewhat made up as well; certain elements of the Tolkien lore aren't licensed to be in LOTRO, so Turbine have to create new elements to substitute for the loss of the originals. Now, after reading this, how original do you think contrast LOTRO to WoW? Imo, I think the lore in both games are just as resolute in strength as each other.
That may be true, but.....
For those that are already familiar with Warcraft's story and mythology, these things are natural and make perfect sense.
But look at it from the perspective of those who know nothing about the back story.
WoW started as a "traditional" fantasy feeling MMO. But little by little, things started getting added that, for those "not in the know", would have seemed to have come out of thin air, with little or no in-game precedence. (Extra dimensional space goats, motorcycles, talking pandas.)
LOTRO, to me, has remained more consistent and linear. It feels like it would be easier to follow, and possibly make more sense, for those who know zero about Tolkein's lore.
"Away from here.
To walk a howling sea lane"- Duran Duran
Me: I read The Stand. It was lame. I don't like Stephen King's books.
Which is incorrect. You don't like The Stand.
Which is all you're saying about WoW. You played to L10, and thought WoW to L10 was lame. While that really doesn't add much to the discussion, it did incite (apparently) a crowd of people who assume that you were implying that the game continued to have the same flaws past L10.
I don't know that I'd walk into a conversation about Stephen King's works and pipe in with "I hated The Stand." and expect people to take me seriously. If I did, I would hope that someone would suggest The Gunslinger to me before writing me off entirely.
Work like no one is watching, dance like you don't need the money...
But look at it from the perspective of those who know nothing about the back story.
WoW started as a "traditional" fantasy feeling MMO. But little by little, things started getting added that, for those "not in the know", would have seemed to have come out of thin air, with little or no in-game precedence. (Extra dimensional space goats, motorcycles, talking pandas.)
LOTRO, to me, has remained more consistent and linear. It feels like it would be easier to follow, and possibly make more sense, for those who know zero about Tolkein's lore.
Hahahahahahahahahaha! Space goats, "Draenei" are infact part of the lore, and they correlate with the existence of Orcs in Azeroth. Goblins and gnomes are very much known for their interest in industry: a concept drawn from the industry of the orcs in LOTR. Orcs in Tolkien lore are also described as having an industry of their own, and WoW uses that concept, or rather: Warcraft lore. By the way, Pandaren are infact part of the lore and they were mentioned a number of times before the MoP expansion in the lore. However, because they are a recluse race and very isolated from the campaigns to this time now, little was known. :-)
Warcraft lore, nonetheless, is just as concrete and is exceptionally consistent as the Tolkien lore and it also makes sense. To be honest, whichever lore you are engaged in will make sense anyway. I understand both Tolkien and Warcraft lore, and the fact you speak negatively of Warcraft lore could hint that you know little of it.
I don't have to read all of his books to know I don't like his writing style. To say otherwise is to say no one can claim to not like an author until the author is dead. And nothing remains to be published posthumously.
Which is all you're saying about WoW. You played to L10, and thought WoW to L10 was lame. While that really doesn't add much to the discussion
Your next few words are in direct contradiction to those last few.
it did incite (apparently) a crowd of people who assume that you were implying that the game continued to have the same flaws past L10.
Despite that I wrote in my initial post "to that point," as in "to the point at which I stopped." Many people respond to what they think they've read or heard rather than to what was actually written or said.
I don't know that I'd walk into a conversation about Stephen King's works and pipe in with "I hated The Stand." and expect people to take me seriously.
Internet discussion forums are nothing like conversations at a party. Your analogy is inapt.
Originally Posted by Mephistophelis
I'd class that as LOTRO's story too. Simply run around, kill stuff and complete the quest or objectives. In LOTR, that's pretty much what's going on: a band of guys fighting the enemy, giving time for two hobbits to destroy the ring. Sounds like Warcraft to me.
If you say WoW has as cohesive a back-story as The War of the Ring, I'll have to take your word for it.
I don't have to read all of his books to know I don't like his writing style. To say otherwise is to say no one can claim to not like an author until the author is dead. And nothing remains to be published posthumously.
No, but it's not precisely accurate, either. Writing styles can change from book to book. Maybe not as drastically as level ranges in an MMO, but enough so that style doesn't always predict whether a book will be good or bad, or whether you will like it or not. Most people cannot say that they have enjoyed every book an author (whose style they enjoy) has published.
Your next few words are in direct contradiction to those last few.
Agreed. I should have said that it doesn't add anything of substance to the conversation. It certainly stirred the pot.
Despite that I wrote in my initial post "to that point," as in "to the point at which I stopped." Many people respond to what they think they've read or heard rather than to what was actually written or said.
Exactly. I didn't say they were correct in assuming that you were panning the whole game, just that they did.
Internet discussion forums are nothing like conversations at a party. Your analogy is inapt.
My analogy had nothing to do with a party. I was actually imagining it as an internet forum. I would not walk into a discussion about Stephen King on an internet forum and say "I hated The Stand. Stephen King sucks." and expect to be taken seriously.
That said, in my experience I don't know that real-life conversations are all that different from internet conversations, other than people are generally more polite in their assertions when you're within arm's reach.
Work like no one is watching, dance like you don't need the money...
Hahahahahahahahahaha! Space goats, "Draenei" are infact part of the lore, and they correlate with the existence of Orcs in Azeroth. Goblins and gnomes are very much known for their interest in industry: a concept drawn from the industry of the orcs in LOTR. Orcs in Tolkien lore are also described as having an industry of their own, and WoW uses that concept, or rather: Warcraft lore. By the way, Pandaren are infact part of the lore and they were mentioned a number of times before the MoP expansion in the lore. However, because they are a recluse race and very isolated from the campaigns to this time now, little was known. :-)
Warcraft lore, nonetheless, is just as concrete and is exceptionally consistent as the Tolkien lore and it also makes sense. To be honest, whichever lore you are engaged in will make sense anyway. I understand both Tolkien and Warcraft lore, and the fact you speak negatively of Warcraft lore could hint that you know little of it.
No no.
You're missing my point. I know Draenei and everything else is part of Warcraft, because I already had knowledge of Warcraft lore.
What I'm talking about is people who started playing WoW in its vanilla days, and had no prior knowledge of Warcraft lore and the only Warcraft lore they learned and knew is what they got from WoW itself.
You keep mentioning industry this and industry that. For now, forget that. Forget all your knowledge of both games' lore.
Imagine starting both WoW and LOTRO during their first vanilla days. And, you have absolutely zero knowledge of the lore and mythology of Warcraft or Lord of the Rings.
Looking back, the changes in LOTRO, to me, feel much more fluid and organic. It feels more continuous and linear.
In WoW, to me again, the changes seem to come in leaps and bounds, or fits and starts. To someone with no foreknowledge some of the additions would seem like they came out of thin air, like they were made up on the spot.
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To walk a howling sea lane"- Duran Duran
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