Thought I'd jump online today to play some Lotro on my creep when i encountered a R9 RK. Now my WL is Rank 8 with all the bells and whistles attached and audacity rank 5.
Fighting this RK my shouts (main point of damage) were doing no more then 350 dmg per shout obviously with a 8 sec cool down which this is very low for me. This RK could kite me in a circle with three trolls on him using an instant cast move with no inductions and hit me for between 600-1000 dmg per hit which he could use every second........
As a creep what would be the point to logging in if im not in a group? I see why everyone makes so many wargs because if your not a stealth class you get owned if you even try walking around by yourself as a WL.
Seriously WL's need some loving in the 1v1 catergory. Yes its not our role but maybe they need to place a new stance which can only be placed in if your not in group to help us so called lack of dps classes even stand a chance against someone who can almost auto attack 18k health to death while kiting three trolls.
Pretty much logged in a logged out within 15min of play what a fun and exciting 15min for me :/
all creeps need a good update, skills (maybe not wargs :P) and base stats. Things got way out of whack when freeps stats did not have a limit, also maybe a decrease of commendations for creeps for the newer players, i find it really stupid that its less commendations for freeps to get their gear but so much for creeps
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Make sure you're reading what they are saying and keep in mind whats not said.
"and it’s never OK for players who spend money to have an unfair advantage over players who spend time."
They're not saying you can't buy advantages, they're saying you can't buy "unfair" advantages, who's the judge of fair and unfair?. Their also not saying you can't buy your way to being on par with players who have spent more time. They make alot of very ambiguous statements that basically leave a lot of doors open for them. Like it or not developers will do what makes them money, and to many players want to buy their way to being competitive.
Remember Sapience saying the that store will only sell conveniences, not advantages?
They are not selling items that directly give players an advantage. Some would say that buying boosts are an advantage, but really, it's just saving that player time. However, if they sold damage boosts and stun/knockback abilites (like this excuse for a company) then that would directly give Player A an advantage over Player B. But they aren't selling those.
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Its sad to say that the only advice I can truly give is either avoid single combat with a freep, or get used to it.
Kelsen CATEGORICALLY told me in a PM that he intended to spend much time on WLs after RoI.
He lied. Or at least, he has shown no evidence to prove that he has done what he said.
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Thought I'd jump online today to play some Lotro on my creep when i encountered a R9 RK. Now my WL is Rank 8 with all the bells and whistles attached and audacity rank 5.
Fighting this RK my shouts (main point of damage) were doing no more then 350 dmg per shout obviously with a 8 sec cool down which this is very low for me. This RK could kite me in a circle with three trolls on him using an instant cast move with no inductions and hit me for between 600-1000 dmg per hit which he could use every second........
As a creep what would be the point to logging in if im not in a group? I see why everyone makes so many wargs because if your not a stealth class you get owned if you even try walking around by yourself as a WL.
Seriously WL's need some loving in the 1v1 catergory. Yes its not our role but maybe they need to place a new stance which can only be placed in if your not in group to help us so called lack of dps classes even stand a chance against someone who can almost auto attack 18k health to death while kiting three trolls.
Pretty much logged in a logged out within 15min of play what a fun and exciting 15min for me :/
Food for though.
Yes, lets increase the dps of both Warleaders and Defilers so that they become impossible to kill except for certain Freep classes. High ranking Defilers are already almost next to impossible to kill in spars because they decimate your Power. I've never fought a WL that doesn't throw down two banners which no doubt have bad effects on me. It takes forever to kill a high ranking Warleader as is, and I mine-as-well go afk fighting a Defiler because even if I prolong my death for several minutes he'll steal out-heal my dps. You want to talk about poor dps, roll a Guardian in the Moors. Moors dps is all about single-target dps, which Guardians suck at terribly. The big issue right now is that certain Freep dps classes do so much damage compared to Creeps that it creates that imbalancel.
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Yes, lets increase the dps of both Warleaders and Defilers so that they become impossible to kill except for certain Freep classes. High ranking Defilers are already almost next to impossible to kill in spars because they decimate your Power. I've never fought a WL that doesn't throw down two banners which no doubt have bad effects on me. It takes forever to kill a high ranking Warleader as is, and I mine-as-well go afk fighting a Defiler because even if I prolong my death for several minutes he'll steal out-heal my dps. You want to talk about poor dps, roll a Guardian in the Moors. Moors dps is all about single-target dps, which Guardians suck at terribly. The big issue right now is that certain Freep dps classes do so much damage compared to Creeps that it creates that imbalancel.
The defilers that "decimate" your power (terrible use of the word... it literally means destroy 1/10 of something as opposed to completely destroy which is what you are using it for here) are using a rank 14 trait.
There are no rank 14 defilers on any US servers.
So rank has nothing to do with making these defilers impossible for you to beat, they bought the trait on the store ;p
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The defilers that "decimate" your power (terrible use of the word... it literally means destroy 1/10 of something as opposed to completely destroy which is what you are using it for here) are using a rank 14 trait.
There are no rank 14 defilers on any US servers.
So rank has nothing to do with making these defilers impossible for you to beat, they bought the trait on the store ;p
So Pay-2-Win.
Anyway, this could cause a stir but.. why not remove self heals for Minstrels in War-Speech, or penalize them greatly. Then do the same for Warleaders and Defilers, make a stance for them where thereby doing more dps they take a significant penatly to their self heals and no heals to other people. Both the Minstrels, Warleaders and Defilers could stance dance but make it so that each stance has an induction time which is easily interruptable (infact they should make all stance dancing for all classes induction time that is easily interruptable).
The one thing which creates a lot of imbalance in the Moors is the removal of stat caps on Freeps. The devs tried to offset this with Audacity but that doesn't fix it, it just makes battles last longer. I would almost be inclined to say make a separate Freep PvMP server where you create a PvMP Freep that starts at level 75 but cannot do PvE content, ie; this character is restricted to using PvMP gear and jewellery and there is no such thing as legendary items. From there the devs could fine tune and balance the Moors much easier.
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Anyway, this could cause a stir but.. why not remove self heals for Minstrels in War-Speech, or penalize them greatly. Then do the same for Warleaders and Defilers, make a stance for them where thereby doing more dps they take a significant penatly to their self heals and no heals to other people. Both the Minstrels, Warleaders and Defilers could stance dance but make it so that each stance has an induction time which is easily interruptable (infact they should make all stance dancing for all classes induction time that is easily interruptable).
The one thing which creates a lot of imbalance in the Moors is the removal of stat caps on Freeps. The devs tried to offset this with Audacity but that doesn't fix it, it just makes battles last longer. I would almost be inclined to say make a separate Freep PvMP server where you create a PvMP Freep that starts at level 75 but cannot do PvE content, ie; this character is restricted to using PvMP gear and jewellery and there is no such thing as legendary items. From there the devs could fine tune and balance the Moors much easier.
This already exists for warleaders, believe it or not.
They have a healing and dps stance.
But in group fights, the healing stance is almost impossible to use, since it is actually easier to get heals off in the dps stance (shouts cooldown faster in dps stance, so you get more crit shouts which give you an instant heal, you also have a second instant groupheal in the dps stance, though it's output is cut by 50%).
Warleaders are kind of a mess right now.
Defilers are just... in need of a decent revision.
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Arenanet are good. Apparantly GW1 was hard to balance due to having 2 classes at once but they quickly nerfed anything that became Overpowered. In beta, they listened to their customers and changed stuff in the game.
Do Turbine listen to their customers? No.
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Arenanet are good. Apparantly GW1 was hard to balance due to having 2 classes at once but they quickly nerfed anything that became Overpowered. In beta, they listened to their customers and changed stuff in the game.
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Wow thats sounds like a good deal
Tell me more of this Arenanet
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You can buy stuff off their store without spending any money. They let you trade gold for their micro transaction currency, gems, which in turn can be traded for gold. I'd imagine the bulk of their income from their store will be from casual gamers spending 5-10$ at a time to trade for gold while all the hardcore gamers trade their gold in for gems.
The good thing about gw2 is competition usually makes people try harder and turbine does seem to be trying. I'm betting u7 will bring about some nice stuff as well as RoR. If it's one thing I want turbine to copy/paste it is arenanets micro transaction system. Would be nice trading gold for TP and vice versa, would support convenience not advantage.
In an age where subscription games like WoW are conquering the MMO market and raking in billions of dollars, do you really think a game with ABSOLUTELY NO SUB FEE is going to survive (let alone succeed) without a Store?
Does Arenanet really expect to be profitable just based on initial sales of the game ?
Most likely they will hype up the game, make a ton of profit on the initial sales, and then fade away within 1-2 years.
OR add a Sub Fee of some kind
Remember people this is a business FIRST , game second
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I like how the Mod's are deleting the posts of those saying GW2 is better, and yet not those who are defending lotro, yet still on the very same topic.
They're starting to get worried.
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I like how the Mod's are deleting the posts of those saying GW2 is better, and yet not those who are defending lotro, yet still on the very same topic.
They're starting to get worried.
Noticed that too, what's even more hilarious is that its a known troll "defending" them.
Yes, pvp is imbalanced in this game. It's been this way since launch, the same creeps are weak freeps are OP argument has been made a thousand times (probably many, many more), and it does no good. It really doesn't look like it's going to change. I have come to terms with it and accepted it. I see it this way, you play freep if you want unpredictable NPC's(creeps) to fight. You play creep if you want a challenge. If your that guy who only plays games on hard-mode, who solos Balrogs naked, and pits his 5 archers against 500 heavy cavalry, then creepside is for you. If you want balanced pvp play pong, it's the only truly balanced video game imo.
Yes, pvp is imbalanced in this game. It's been this way since launch, the same creeps are weak freeps are OP argument has been made a thousand times (probably many, many more), and it does no good. It really doesn't look like it's going to change. I have come to terms with it and accepted it. I see it this way, you play freep if you want unpredictable NPC's(creeps) to fight. You play creep if you want a challenge. If your that guy who only plays games on hard-mode, who solos Balrogs naked, and pits his 5 archers against 500 heavy cavalry, then creepside is for you. If you want balanced pvp play pong, it's the only truly balanced video game imo.
People are always quick to knock freeps for playing "easy mode" and tell them you play the other side if you want a challenge and so on. If not for freeps all the creeps would be doing is daily quests.
But you do bring up a good point about "accepting it", i am in no way inferring thats how things should be but lets be honest, how many people really believe that they will make a creep and be on par with freeps with much much much much less time invested?
People are always quick to knock freeps for playing "easy mode" and tell them you play the other side if you want a challenge and so on. If not for freeps all the creeps would be doing is daily quests.
The same logic applies to freeps...when there are no more creeps to be flogged then it will be too late. Freeps will have to contend with lower rank creeps and god moding the moors.
The defilers that "decimate" your power (terrible use of the word... it literally means destroy 1/10 of something as opposed to completely destroy which is what you are using it for here) are using a rank 14 trait.
There are no rank 14 defilers on any US servers.
So rank has nothing to do with making these defilers impossible for you to beat, they bought the trait on the store ;p
You don't need the improved flies to do that, throw down blight to build up diseases, wait until you see the freep pot, then hit flies.
My name is Purebloodnakh, Chieftain of Saruman's Armies of the North, General of the Warg Legions, loyal servant to the true Lord, Sauron. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next.
The same logic applies to freeps...when there are no more creeps to be flogged then it will be too late. Freeps will have to contend with lower rank creeps and god moding the moors.
How often do you honestly see a freep mocking a creep?
I would love if the sides were more balanced, but the way the game is designed makes this extremely difficult if not impossible.
People are always quick to knock freeps for playing "easy mode" and tell them you play the other side if you want a challenge and so on. If not for freeps all the creeps would be doing is daily quests.
But you do bring up a good point about "accepting it", i am in no way inferring thats how things should be but lets be honest, how many people really believe that they will make a creep and be on par with freeps with much much much much less time invested?
I wasn't meaning to knock anyone, just sayin... Freeps have the edge. It also depends a LOT on numbers. Creeps do fine when they have greater numbers, as is the design.
No game is perfectly balanced unless you literally have the same classes fighting each other (I.E. TF2 vanilla mode) on a perfectly symmetrical map. Yes, developers always want to make it as close as possible and yes, Turbine's lack of response has caused a lot of uproar since it seems like they aren't doing anything but pumping out more ways for us to buy stuff.
But, the game is what you make it, and if you're not enjoying it due to your definition of griefers, trollers, bad gameplay, or whatever ruining your experience, you can always check out other games, like the "mass" of people looking at GW2. In the end, half of them will come back, realizing the same types of people/gameplay are in all games. If you come back and change your attitude, awesome . If you don't come back, we wish you the best since you're obviously having a better time there!
I kinda find the OP hard to believe myself. High ranked WLs are usually a tough kill even for a hunter, if the WL's smart. Heck, I've seen whole GROUPS have trouble taking down one WL with high mits. Granted, these cases are usually when the freeps don't have a lot of interrupt classes, but there are plenty of scenarios a WL can win in. I don't mind the rock-paper-scissor layout of the moors, and I think some people just need to get used to it.
In the end, half of them will come back, realizing the same types of people/gameplay are in all games. If you come back and change your attitude, awesome . If you don't come back, we wish you the best since you're obviously having a better time there!
Lmao... You're funny.
Glad Sims, Strategy, Racing, FPS, RPG, MMO, etc... are all the same to you.
Sadly Turbine's view of "monster session play" (note they have never really embraced the term or concept of balanced PvP) even after 5 years is as follows:
Freeps = "Customers" (and must therefore be pandered to).
Creeps = Unpaid voluntary NPC's for the "customers" to kill.
I get the impression that Turbine still think that "Ooh cool i get to be an orc for a while" is the raison d'etre for the ettenmoors. For so long as they do, they will haemmorage players to the likes of GW2".
God man. If your going to make an attempt to troll, at least use the right meme.
Hey I heard GW2 is coming out soon
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Enjoy ganking solo hunters and being facerolled by every other class for the rest of your lotro time. Ill spare you a thought when Im having fun in GW2.
Hopefully when I DO return to lotro the idiots who have made a mess of pvmp will have been sacked and some semblance of balance has been injected into this p2w ezmode game..
People are always quick to knock freeps for playing "easy mode" and tell them you play the other side if you want a challenge and so on. If not for freeps all the creeps would be doing is daily quests.
But you do bring up a good point about "accepting it", i am in no way inferring thats how things should be but lets be honest, how many people really believe that they will make a creep and be on par with freeps with much much much much less time invested?
Personally, I don't understand the hate for freep players; for the most part, they're just using the skills the devs gave them. The people you should blame for the "godmoding" are the ones who create the game. However, freep players who use their skills cheaply - for instance, a champ double-bubbling, then popping Dire Need and the man-heal in a 1v1 against a mid-ranked BA - deserve to be looked down upon simply because they obviously have no interest in a decent, fun fight, but easy renown. Like the above posters said, PvMP needs both freeps and creeps to thrive.
As for the other point you brought up: it never fails to amuse me that freeps fall back to "But I put so much time into this toon!" as justification for the imbalance that exists between the factions. Might I remind you that all the time you put into levelling and gearing up your freep was in PvE, completely outside the moors? Few freeps who've been playing a while will bring out a new alt unless they have it decked out etc., and I totally understand that. However, to claim that your time spent PvE'ing should give you an advantage against creeps who have no other way of being competitive in PvP but to finish up a few daily quests and then go kill some OP freeps... It reeks of absurdity. By the same token, claims that creeps are designed, on the basis of lore, to have strength only in numbers are just as ridiculous. When it comes to player versus player gameplay, forcing one side to team up and even outnumber the opposing group to stand a fighting chance is illogical, unjustifiable and heavily biased.
Enjoy ganking solo hunters and being facerolled by every other class for the rest of your lotro time. Ill spare you a thought when Im having fun in GW2.
Hopefully when I DO return to lotro the idiots who have made a mess of pvmp will have been sacked and some semblance of balance has been injected into this p2w ezmode game..
My name is Purebloodnakh, Chieftain of Saruman's Armies of the North, General of the Warg Legions, loyal servant to the true Lord, Sauron. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next.
I like how the Mod's are deleting the posts of those saying GW2 is better, and yet not those who are defending lotro, yet still on the very same topic.
They're starting to get worried.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Stevo6 again.
I tried Stevo6. I really tried.
Of course THEY are worried. They have dug themselves into a hole here and one they cannot get out of. THEY deserve no revenue here in my opinion (at least not from PvP'rs).
Oh, and they deleted my initial post in here and in about a dozen other places too.
Personally, I don't understand the hate for freep players; for the most part, they're just using the skills the devs gave them. The people you should blame for the "godmoding" are the ones who create the game. However, freep players who use their skills cheaply - for instance, a champ double-bubbling, then popping Dire Need and the man-heal in a 1v1 against a mid-ranked BA - deserve to be looked down upon simply because they obviously have no interest in a decent, fun fight, but easy renown. Like the above posters said, PvMP needs both freeps and creeps to thrive.
Roll a creep on Laurelin, you will see this is exactly how every freep "fights", except while they have activated their godmode skill they are busy calling for back-up in OOC.
The problem is this, creeps like to play solo, creeps don't like to raid or fellow to kill solo (rare, very rare find one) freeps. (The only creeps you will see zerging are freepsincreeps) And the game is done so that creeps play in group. But the freeps that can play easy solo without dare, only play in zerg. Some people don't go out of GV without pet or minstrel, or without half raid, or ezmode fellow looking for solos and pvers...
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Noticed that too, what's even more hilarious is that its a known troll "defending" them.
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. If you don't come back, we wish you the best since you're obviously having a better time there!
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