Thread: Why do so many creeps hate 1v1s?

Originally Posted by Dyfrin

Now the game mechanics have changed, there is more slack in this.. don't know if it was documented, but it seems it came around the same time the weapon delay change happened.

Warg auto-attacks have a longer range than a freeps 2 handed weapon range (halberd and champ sword tested). I haven't tested a 1 handers range but it is at the very least shorter than a 2hander. If there is a broken range mechanic it is in your favor at this time.

Originally Posted by Dyfrin

You killed my BA twice at slugs.
First time you got jump while I had slug aggro and low power, some life gone... slug actually stole KB from you.
Retreated, ran back out to fight you without some health missing and some range if I track you.... but mez pot was on CD from first attempt.. and some warg jumped in, and disappeared or died, not sure, when I got back you were at 80% health.. got you down to 400 hp, and I died, you walked away. Cureable fire dot.. fails again.

So I log on my warg thinking you want a "more fair" 1v1.. you are gone.
I go to TA where the fighting is and find you.
Attack 3 times and 2 times there are hunters pairing up tracking me.. (think vapt and gilrod?) so I died 3 times, you never.
Even the time it was 2 creeps vs you and I seen it and after first creep died, jumped in.. still died and you didn't..

Frustrated, checked combat logs. This is by memory but it is pretty close since I was surprised at the numbers:

Your AUTO ATTACK crit hit 650.
My Claws hit immediately after that crit for only 520..

Max claw was 920, didn't get a dev the whole fight.
Your max was 2k from flashing blade..

I didn't use CA at the time, nor threw in numbers in excel, but EVERY attack I had was only equal or less than yours (outside of auto attacks sometimes were less than claw.. maul was worthless.. 30 or less).

My audacity on warg is 3.
Not sure what yours is.

Now some of you like elmo will say this is QQ...

Why I don't desire to 1v1:
I can try to position and strafe circle and joust, positioning used to make the difference in 1v1..
ie running through the last second before a HS, getting out of range of champ and jousting claws "through" them to get behind damage.

Now the game mechanics have changed, there is more slack in this.. don't know if it was documented, but it seems it came around the same time the weapon delay change happened.

So if you can't mechanics wise gain an advantage by moving, then you rely totally on developer set rules.
I can't change the amount a skill does (except for using frenzy after a crit to hopefully make it crit)..
I can't change if I hit or miss.. I can't press buttons harder.. or use the mouse to focus the attack.. it is "If in range, if facing target, execute vs bpe and modified miss chance on level diff"

So could I win a 1v1 vs a burg like you? Maybe.. if you mess up totally or the rng favors me considerably. Neither of which is really 1v1 pvp in my eyes.

But any time you want a "fair" pvp by us having equal footing.. play me in csgo. A game that actual planning, movement, and aim make a difference!

LOL you dont know the first thing about me when it comes to 1v1s i'll fight anyone though i prefer not to fight creeps who have.

1. bought their skills

2. Use a Brand

3. Use every known buff possible


Now i have fought many why'll they use those(except Brand then i'll use one plus pop Eldars grace) but i'd rather fight creeps straight up based on skills and abilitys

Originally Posted by Armitas

Warg auto-attacks have a longer range than a freeps 2 handed weapon range (halberd and champ sword tested). I haven't tested a 1 handers range but it is at the very least shorter than a 2hander. If there is a broken range mechanic it is in your favor at this time.

Quite a few Warg melee skills are 3.5m range as opposed to the typical 2.5, iirc.

Originally Posted by LEGENDofALL

LOL you dont know the first thing about me when it comes to 1v1s i'll fight anyone though i prefer not to fight creeps who have.

1. bought their skills

2. Use a Brand

3. Use every known buff possible


Now i have fought many why'll they use those(except Brand then i'll use one plus pop Eldars grace) but i'd rather fight creeps straight up based on skills and abilitys

I agree, but (some, not all) freeps and creeps alike insist on using store pots and brands...its frankly annoying, that while we may have to pay somewhat, their is no need to play right into dev's hands.

Originally Posted by LEGENDofALL

Sprint vs Sticky who wins? Sprint Once again you're clueless regarding LM

Lets look again Sticky vs Ba/WL/Defiler Yeah omg it sooooo affects them because they need to stand in it

What 2 classes do you play oh thats right ezmode warg and OP Minny yeah you know all

you so right me <3 you

So here I find I cannot, NOT reply to this thread, Answer is simple and as easy as pie,
Move the 1v1's out of GTA, you think your getting ganked when someone new to the creep is out questing
Oh man he hit me blacklist, <------LMAO Blacklist seriously?
1 maps into GTA sees a freep? Maybe it is not the 1v1's ? Lets think this out.
You clear quest npcs for 1v1's. You in a favorable MAp in area.
Anyone that goes remotely close to GTA is blacklisted.
Several of mu Tribemates have been wrongly accused of interfereance in 1v1's and blacklisted.
Among several out of my tribe, Several times I have said please move 1v1's out of GTA,
The responce I get, It makes it easier for a freep to get too. creeps have other maps to use.
Oh yea your in the moors man dont wanna die dont goto the moors?
Your going to a place to fight other players and npcs, Just a freep would try to have it controlled,
just like freepside where everything is planned out for you, unlike a creep not so much much, leave grams
you get people like spwit tons of burgs farming new creeps,
So your question is simply answered, 1 dont goto the moors. 2 Move the 1v1's out of bussiest place in the moors,
3, Dont be Elmo.
If Elmo says anything to a creep about being store bought ask him just this, Have you ever Elmo bought ANYTHING from the store that 1 helped you live longer in the moors? 2 bought anything from the store that prevented a creep to stun,root,daze,mez you? when your on your other toons than your LM?




Love Skullbashin

Originally Posted by STRIPES4EVER

So here I find I cannot, NOT reply to this thread, Answer is simple and as easy as pie,
Move the 1v1's out of GTA, you think your getting ganked when someone new to the creep is out questing
Oh man he hit me blacklist, <------LMAO Blacklist seriously?
1 maps into GTA sees a freep? Maybe it is not the 1v1's ? Lets think this out.
You clear quest npcs for 1v1's. You in a favorable MAp in area.
Anyone that goes remotely close to GTA is blacklisted.
Several of mu Tribemates have been wrongly accused of interfereance in 1v1's and blacklisted.
Among several out of my tribe, Several times I have said please move 1v1's out of GTA,
The responce I get, It makes it easier for a freep to get too. creeps have other maps to use.
Oh yea your in the moors man dont wanna die dont goto the moors?
Your going to a place to fight other players and npcs, Just a freep would try to have it controlled,
just like freepside where everything is planned out for you, unlike a creep not so much much, leave grams
you get people like spwit tons of burgs farming new creeps,
So your question is simply answered, 1 dont goto the moors. 2 Move the 1v1's out of bussiest place in the moors,
3, Dont be Elmo.
If Elmo says anything to a creep about being store bought ask him just this, Have you ever Elmo bought ANYTHING from the store that 1 helped you live longer in the moors? 2 bought anything from the store that prevented a creep to stun,root,daze,mez you? when your on your other toons than your LM?




Love Skullbashin

LOL you're a joke, once a up and coming creep who went out and played hard and now has changed his tune about buying skills LOL you've lost it.

I wont buy any SKILL that i get from ranking/level SKILL, SKILL , SKILL do i need to spell it to you again????


Hey maybe the store should allow freeps to buy their gear, buy all the top jewelry and buy 1ages yeah lets push for that.


PVP has turned into Pay for skills because rank means nothing.


FYI Im not happy with the freeps getting pvp armour either instead of the old way of rank required.


You think creeps should have those skills? Make them so ANYONE creepside can get them without having to spend money because some of them cant or wont spend it, make the skills damage go up bases on rank like freeps skills do based on level.

For the love of PVP make ranking special again by give those CREEPS something that no one else has because they've worked hard to earn it (like the rank15 spider skill cough, cough)



BTW i will continue to have 1v1s at GTA and if it comes down to having a entire raid of freeps there to wipe you or any silly creep who comes on purpose to mess it up i will

See you later store purchased spider

love you mean it


******I approve this message because my word is LAW*****

Originally Posted by LEGENDofALL

LOL you're a joke, once a up and coming creep who went out and played hard and now has changed his tune about buying skills LOL you've lost it.

I wont buy any SKILL that i get from ranking/level SKILL, SKILL , SKILL do i need to spell it to you again????


Hey maybe the store should allow freeps to buy their gear, buy all the top jewelry and buy 1ages yeah lets push for that.


PVP has turned into Pay for skills because rank means nothing.


FYI Im not happy with the freeps getting pvp armour either instead of the old way of rank required.


You think creeps should have those skills? Make them so ANYONE creepside can get them without having to spend money because some of them cant or wont spend it, make the skills damage go up bases on rank like freeps skills do based on level.

For the love of PVP make ranking special again by give those CREEPS something that no one else has because they've worked hard to earn it (like the rank15 spider skill cough, cough)



BTW i will continue to have 1v1s at GTA and if it comes down to having a entire raid of freeps there to wipe you or any silly creep who comes on purpose to mess it up i will

See you later store purchased spider

love you mean it


******I approve this message because my word is LAW*****

I will continue to ruin 1v1's at the quest / mapping area I know you wanna make killing creeps easier by having them there
LOL Wipe me haha w/e nothing new son you been doing that for years now, dont bother me, besides brings better pvp I win

See you later you store brand buyer

Love you always Elmo

P.s I wont let you farm creeps anymore at GTA

Originally Posted by STRIPES4EVER

I will continue to ruin 1v1's at the quest / mapping area I know you wanna make killing creeps easier by having them there
LOL Wipe me haha w/e nothing new son you been doing that for years now, dont bother me, besides brings better pvp I win

See you later you store brand buyer

Love you always Elmo

P.s I wont let you farm creeps anymore at GTA

1. when i 1v1 at the GTA map i lose more then i win so who's farming who

2. Please continue to come it will be a joy to killi you and others

3. Oh wait sorry i guess i will be farming at GTA killing you and any others who come there on purpose


BTW i could really make it interesting and start farming the rez circle for greenies or farm HH but yeah i tend not to because im the kinda pvper who gives them a chance to get better


P.S. i noticed you didnt respond to many of my ideas because you know deep down that those make actual sense .


*****The map is only red when i let it happen*****

Love Me

Originally Posted by STRIPES4EVER

I will continue to ruin 1v1's at the quest / mapping area I know you wanna make killing creeps easier by having them there
LOL Wipe me haha w/e nothing new son you been doing that for years now, dont bother me, besides brings better pvp I win

See you later you store brand buyer

Love you always Elmo

P.s I wont let you farm creeps anymore at GTA

Do you berate every creep that buys store brands and fall damage? Hell I buy the fall immunity and on occasion the store brands but I never pay a cent for them, Only reason I even started using these things is having people use them on me in the moors. Alls fair in love and war I guess.

Originally Posted by Ames

Do you berate every creep that buys store brands and fall damage? Hell I buy the fall immunity and on occasion the store brands but I never pay a cent for them, Only reason I even started using these things is having people use them on me in the moors. Alls fair in love and war I guess.

I agree with almost all your ideas exept having them at GTA I use to not like Cdome but I miss it now atleast he had cdome in respetable areas

Originally Posted by Ames

Do you berate every creep that buys store brands and fall damage?

For me? If you use the store in-combat brands, you need to find another group. And, if it's not my group you're in, I'm out.

Real simple.

Originally Posted by sunnycrest

For me? If you use the store in-combat brands, you need to find another group. And, if it's not my group you're in, I'm out.

Real simple.

You good sir are killing me, you're making it very hard to ever dislike you for your awesome comments even when you keep Soul alive.

Now you're making me feel guilty when i fight you so i guess no more sucker punching you in the back of the head when i start a fight with you.

I wish i could give you more rep but its telling me to spread the love around lol.

Originally Posted by sunnycrest

For me? If you use the store in-combat brands, you need to find another group. And, if it's not my group you're in, I'm out.

Real simple.

I think I've only ever purchased the store brands twice and I still have 3 sitting in my vault (lotta good they do me there). Though I can't lie it does get frustrating and tempting when they are used against you which is probably why I rage purchased them to begin with.

Fall immunity started being bought due to my ### getting chased down by creeps while having broken legs or seeing creeps train through keeps with fall immunity up and just scamper away with no broken legs after slaughtering those inside.

Originally Posted by Ames

I think I've only ever purchased the store brands twice and I still have 3 sitting in my vault (lotta good they do me there). Though I can't lie it does get frustrating and tempting when they are used against you which is probably why I rage purchased them to begin with.

Fall immunity started being bought due to my ### getting chased down by creeps while having broken legs or seeing creeps train through keeps with fall immunity up and just scamper away with no broken legs after slaughtering those inside.

Ditto on the fall immunity

Originally Posted by STRIPES4EVER

So here I find I cannot, NOT reply to this thread, Answer is simple and as easy as pie,
Move the 1v1's out of GTA, you think your getting ganked when someone new to the creep is out questing
Oh man he hit me blacklist, <------LMAO Blacklist seriously?
1 maps into GTA sees a freep? Maybe it is not the 1v1's ? Lets think this out.
You clear quest npcs for 1v1's. You in a favorable MAp in area.
Anyone that goes remotely close to GTA is blacklisted.
Several of mu Tribemates have been wrongly accused of interfereance in 1v1's and blacklisted.
Among several out of my tribe, Several times I have said please move 1v1's out of GTA,
The responce I get, It makes it easier for a freep to get too. creeps have other maps to use.
Oh yea your in the moors man dont wanna die dont goto the moors?
Your going to a place to fight other players and npcs, Just a freep would try to have it controlled,
just like freepside where everything is planned out for you, unlike a creep not so much much, leave grams
you get people like spwit tons of burgs farming new creeps,
So your question is simply answered, 1 dont goto the moors. 2 Move the 1v1's out of bussiest place in the moors,
3, Dont be Elmo.
If Elmo says anything to a creep about being store bought ask him just this, Have you ever Elmo bought ANYTHING from the store that 1 helped you live longer in the moors? 2 bought anything from the store that prevented a creep to stun,root,daze,mez you? when your on your other toons than your LM?




Love Skullbashin

I have agreed with this from the start - GTA is not a "safe" place and I have mentioned it in other threads, one recently which seems to have been removed or I just can't find it, whatever. Too many bad things happen there (ex. little n00b reaver maps in, sees freeps, attacks. Didn't know it wa 1v1s, was told and then wanted to watch and stated so, yet he wa ganke and chased to OC...really?).

So, the other day when a few of us from Unforgiven "ganked" a few ppl 1v1ing... Personally I was a bit upset...this 1v1ing was ruining PvP, period. I had been off and on for over 4 hours and no "real" PvP was going on, literally and the Moors was simply boring (which has been the case for a good 4 weeks now, where are all the freeps?). I log back on and there's STILL no "real" PvP. No, I am not scared to 1v1 anyone, even Mini's which I know I can't beat 99% of the time. Yet I wanna fight, I want groups to fight groups all over the map, defend keeps, fights like it was back in the day when lvl 50 was the cap. I don't hate 1v1s, I hate the place and the fact they were taking up all the real PvP. So the objective was to get PvP started, for me anyway, and guess what, it worked. We had the best PvP in weeks that night...so It is what it is...I don't take this game personally and I get focus fired by raids all the time, it's fun to have these fights...I get up and come back to fight some more, OMG I died in the Moors!!! LOL

Fall immunity, I didn't know it was such a game breaker...unlike the I WIN buttons of the crumbling brand (ICB) and the in combat run speed buff (ICRS) where I cannot slow you and you run off at 100 miles an hour lol, rendering my skills useless, I was just annoyed with broken legs from falling in water or very short distances...yet, if it bothers ppl that much I will gladly stop using it, not a big deal I guess. ICBs and ICRS though, that's annoying...and hey, stop running into the 1 shotters to save your stars or cliff diving...that's just fail...you all do realize we still get inf anyway, just no KB...rating's THAT important!?

<3 you all, just trying to help fix the Moors for the better.

Originally Posted by Skydawg

I have agreed with this from the start - GTA is not a "safe" place and I have mentioned it in other threads, one recently which seems to have been removed or I just can't find it, whatever. Too many bad things happen there (ex. little n00b reaver maps in, sees freeps, attacks. Didn't know it wa 1v1s, was told and then wanted to watch and stated so, yet he wa ganke and chased to OC...really?).

So, the other day when a few of us from Unforgiven "ganked" a few ppl 1v1ing... Personally I was a bit upset...this 1v1ing was ruining PvP, period. I had been off and on for over 4 hours and no "real" PvP was going on, literally and the Moors was simply boring (which has been the case for a good 4 weeks now, where are all the freeps?). I log back on and there's STILL no "real" PvP. No, I am not scared to 1v1 anyone, even Mini's which I know I can't beat 99% of the time. Yet I wanna fight, I want groups to fight groups all over the map, defend keeps, fights like it was back in the day when lvl 50 was the cap. I don't hate 1v1s, I hate the place and the fact they were taking up all the real PvP. So the objective was to get PvP started, for me anyway, and guess what, it worked. We had the best PvP in weeks that night...so It is what it is...I don't take this game personally and I get focus fired by raids all the time, it's fun to have these fights...I get up and come back to fight some more, OMG I died in the Moors!!! LOL

Fall immunity, I didn't know it was such a game breaker...unlike the I WIN buttons of the crumbling brand (ICB) and the in combat run speed buff (ICRS) where I cannot slow you and you run off at 100 miles an hour lol, rendering my skills useless, I was just annoyed with broken legs from falling in water or very short distances...yet, if it bothers ppl that much I will gladly stop using it, not a big deal I guess. ICBs and ICRS though, that's annoying...and hey, stop running into the 1 shotters to save your stars or cliff diving...that's just fail...you all do realize we still get inf anyway, just no KB...rating's THAT important!?

<3 you all, just trying to help fix the Moors for the better.

1. Unless they get rid of the fall immunitys i'll continue to use them because of all the people i see use them.

2. Cliff diving is an art and some people fine it cheap and thats fine but if im getting zerged by a mob and i find a cliff i use it plus any one who ive tagged who follows and dies i get goodies for

3. The run speed that buff unless theres another i dont know about its made by a cook and not by the store so i dont see anything wrong with that(unless theres something in the store i dont know about because ive never looked)

Originally Posted by LEGENDofALL

1. Unless they get rid of the fall immunitys i'll continue to use them because of all the people i see use them.

2. Cliff diving is an art and some people fine it cheap and thats fine but if im getting zerged by a mob and i find a cliff i use it plus any one who ive tagged who follows and dies i get goodies for

3. The run speed that buff unless theres another i dont know about its made by a cook and not by the store so i dont see anything wrong with that(unless theres something in the store i dont know about because ive never looked)

Well, I've stopped using mine. I can see where it would be an "I Win" type thing. You're reasoning doesn't make it right either, it's kinda like when you're mom said, "Just because everyone jumps off a bridge..."

I don't care if you want to cliff dive or not but IMHO it's ridiculous...it's another "OMG I died in the Moors" moment...saving stars, really? Knowing you're going to die and running to the one shotters is the same...just bad form.

Then you don't know about it. Combat Run Speed Boost - these cost 35 TP each; here is the quote from the LotRO Store, - "Increase your in-combat and out-of-combat movement by 20% for ten seconds. 1 minute cooldown." Many use it...it's bad enuff the ICB is an "I Win" button, but then to take off like a bat outta hell, no skills...

Originally Posted by Skydawg

Well, I've stopped using mine. I can see where it would be an "I Win" type thing. You're reasoning doesn't make it right either, it's kinda like when you're mom said, "Just because everyone jumps off a bridge..."

I don't care if you want to cliff dive or not but IMHO it's ridiculous...it's another "OMG I died in the Moors" moment...saving stars, really? Knowing you're going to die and running to the one shotters is the same...just bad form.

Then you don't know about it. Combat Run Speed Boost - these cost 35 TP each; here is the quote from the LotRO Store, - "Increase your in-combat and out-of-combat movement by 20% for ten seconds. 1 minute cooldown." Many use it...it's bad enuff the ICB is an "I Win" button, but then to take off like a bat outta hell, no skills...

1. Well you dont have to use them thats your choice

2. I dont cliff dive to save stars because i never have them i actually do it to see how many creeps will follow and i get a good chuckle out of it BTW going on 7k deaths so yeah dying doesnt bother me

3. Yeah never seen those run buffs from the store and have never looked i just knew the cook could make some in combat ones.

Originally Posted by Skydawg

I don't care if you want to cliff dive or not but IMHO it's ridiculous...it's another "OMG I died in the Moors" moment...saving stars, really? Knowing you're going to die and running to the one shotters is the same...just bad form.

Two things. 1. If you see Elmo and I running to the one shotters, its generally because we are bored and trying to get other people one shotted. Or to deny a KB at times.... If we die anyways, whats the point?

2. If its a bunch vs 2 and I'm about to get slaughtered and there is a cliff nearby, you can bet your ### I'm going to take as many out with me. People also get angry because they died following us or lost out on the infamy by not following us. Well if you follow us, you'll get something for it. But so won't we. :-p It has ZERO to do with saving stars and everything to do with taking a few down with us since we are going to die either way. One way we might get something for the death, the other way not likely. If people are crazy enough to jump off the cliff after us, then hooray for us if we tagged them.

We are well aware that dying to the cliff and one shotters does not save stars if you tagged us. We aren't looking to save stars.

Originally Posted by LEGENDofALL

1. Unless they get rid of the fall immunitys i'll continue to use them because of all the people i see use them.

2. Cliff diving is an art and some people fine it cheap and thats fine but if im getting zerged by a mob and i find a cliff i use it plus any one who ive tagged who follows and dies i get goodies for

3. The run speed that buff unless theres another i dont know about its made by a cook and not by the store so i dont see anything wrong with that(unless theres something in the store i dont know about because ive never looked)

Coffee is pretty lame given Creeps have no parallel. But it'd be silly not to use it, as a Freep.

I wasn't referring to you, Ames and Az, as the one running into the one shotters to save stars, I know what you do and why when you do that, I was just comparing it to cliff diving. The cliff diving seems to be an art tho lol...guess I'll just shut up on that one. But, truth, if an NPC kills you, or misadventure, you don't lose rating...just sayin' we still get inf, you still get renown, when that happens. I know neither of ya are skeered to, "OMG I didededed in da Moors!!!" Happy Friday!!!

Originally Posted by PhantomPunkk

Coffee is pretty lame given Creeps have no parallel. But it'd be silly not to use it, as a Freep.

I don't have a prob with out-of-combat run speed, Creeps do have that...altho I think we should have wargs and elephants to ride, just sayin'. It's the ICRS which you can buy from the store...use crumbling brand, use in-combat-run speed...completely an "I Win" button...just sayin.

Pretty sure Coffee works in combat.

Hmm, last I used it, 5 months ago or so, it was out of combat only.../shrug. Altho we can't BPE with our OCRS while they can...

*EDIT* Kk, I looked on my champ, it doesn't say out-of-combat only ... yet I asked some Freeps and they said out-of-combat only.

Originally Posted by Skydawg

Hmm, last I used it, 5 months ago or so, it was out of combat only.../shrug. Altho we can't BPE with our OCRS while they can...

*EDIT* Kk, I looked on my champ, it doesn't say out-of-combat only ... yet I asked some Freeps and they said out-of-combat only.

Naw it works in combat ive seen the crit version of it being used in combat.

Originally Posted by PhantomPunkk

Coffee is pretty lame given Creeps have no parallel. But it'd be silly not to use it, as a Freep.

Well technically they do if a run speed can be bought from the store

Originally Posted by LEGENDofALL

Naw it works in combat ive seen the crit version of it being used in combat.

Well, you'll see the buff regardless (it's a trail food), it lasts 5 mins (non crit) and 10 mins (crit) and doesn't disappear in combat...once combat is over you resume your 5% or 10% runspeed, but that coffee (2nd breakfast coffee, I think) is out-of-combat only.

Originally Posted by Skydawg

The cliff diving seems to be an art tho lol...guess I'll just shut up on that one.

Tis a very graceful way to die...

Originally Posted by Skydawg

But, truth, if an NPC kills you, or misadventure, you don't lose rating..

This is false. The loss is lessened because a creep didn't kb you, but you still lose rating for however much damage you had taken.

And I'm not sure if I was the one you were referring to, but I get myself 1-shotted whenever:

1) A zerg shows up. Nobody likes getting called out, nobody likes getting zerged. I obviously am outmatched in this situation, and try to mount if I'm out of range of the BAs, but if not it generally goes to...

2) Getting spam tracked. This is garbage. If a bunch of Uruks/Wargs show up, start tracking me, popping me out, then instantly tracking after I hips, I'm not left with a good feeling. Personally, I've always secretly hoped for a track immunity during the 10s of hips at the very least, or more preferably a diminishing returns to excessive tracks, but I've accepted neither will happen.

I don't like a useless hips and missing out on kills at the rez because of spam tracks; the trackers don't like losing a kill. It balances out in my eyes, if not in yours then I appologize.

As for cliff-diving... well if you really want to see me dead, then prove it and follow! Why should I allow for a kill if my attackers (always plural when I do this) aren't willing to give everything for it?


Rating... I got 5-stars a while back (without fightclubbing too!). That mountain has been conquered. My actions are more on principle of the situation out in the moors. I'm sorry you didn't get that kb you came for, but hey; when it's one against many my conscience tends to let those things slide.

Have a great day.

Originally Posted by PhantomPunkk

Coffee is pretty lame....

I stopped reading here. Coffee is NEVER lame. I need a permanent IV drip of it tbh...

I was first amused by this thread,
as it went on I was a bit upset about the whining,
then thankfully, it turned to a better discussion.

Here is how I see things in pvmp.

I love 1v1s. period. that is how I enjoy my time the most.
Anyone who remembers, I almost exclusively did this in the past.
Nowadays, I am still learning all the new skills and trying to get used to them and their best uses etc. so I do not solo as I used to. <sad panda>

My own rules and points of view:
1. Everyone plays by their own rules. Some like to solo, some like to group, some like to zerg.
some like to find the easy targets, some like the challenge of harder targets.

all of it is acceptable.

2. As a soloer and 1v1 fighter, I recognize the other person may not feel the same, and may do any of the following: fight, run, give up, call a zerg (this is often in addition to one of the first 3... lol).

note: even when participating with others, I tend to solo because keeping me alive is a massive drain on healing resources. I tend to get tunnel vision and become suicidal just to get that one freep that caught my attention...

all of which is acceptable, since I do not expect you to play by my rules.

3. farming for rank. meh whatever. I don't approve, though I don't really care either way. Just hope you realize you didn't learn a dang thing doing it that way.

4. I do not call out solo people who beat me at such and such location, etc.

5. I do not like fighting someone more than once in a row. for several reasons.

a. Sometimes you learn too fast how to beat me <grin>
b. If you or I are that easy of a target for the other, there is boredom as well as a fall off of points won.
c. Ambush/surprise is one of my weapons/tools/skills. if you are expecting me, that removes perhaps my greatest advantage.

6. If someone stumbles upon our fight and interferes... if it is on your side I will likely try to run. On my side, I will likely stop attacking.

7. If I am in a 1v1 with you... I EXPECT you to use all of your abilities/resources to survive. I would hope to be that good, that you NEED to pop those cooldowns and store bought goodies to try to win. I don't try to hold back and I don't expect you to either.

All of these things are provided to us to use as we see fit. I see it as an honor and a compliment that you need to do everything you can in order to survive or defeat me. It tells me I am doing something right.

8. Oops almost forgot: If I get run over by a zerg in the process of trying to 1v1, it is a risk I take by playing the way I do. No harm - no foul.

other notes:

personally, I have used my brand once on purpose and in the right situation in the years I have had one. (the per-rank permanent thingy) I used it against a burg and he ended up running for his life. Mostly I forget I have one.

re: cliff diving / fall immunity
personally, I believe spiders should have had this LONG before burgs got it and store bought items were avail. but whatever, it is there and it is not going away, so use it if the circumstance warrants it.

-- though the best cliff dive is still the one where you leap into the air off the cliff, others follow, and you turn mid-air and land back on the top while they all fall to their deaths below.



sorry, just felt the need to respond to some of the posts, and it turned into this. oh well. its all good.

short version: do what you want, just remember that doesn't let you yell at others for supposedly being wrong when they are doing what they want and it doesn't mesh with your plans.

Originally Posted by Lioncourt86

This is false. The loss is lessened because a creep didn't kb you, but you still lose rating for however much damage you had taken.

And I'm not sure if I was the one you were referring to, but I get myself 1-shotted whenever:

1) A zerg shows up. Nobody likes getting called out, nobody likes getting zerged. I obviously am outmatched in this situation, and try to mount if I'm out of range of the BAs, but if not it generally goes to...

2) Getting spam tracked. This is garbage. If a bunch of Uruks/Wargs show up, start tracking me, popping me out, then instantly tracking after I hips, I'm not left with a good feeling. Personally, I've always secretly hoped for a track immunity during the 10s of hips at the very least, or more preferably a diminishing returns to excessive tracks, but I've accepted neither will happen.

I don't like a useless hips and missing out on kills at the rez because of spam tracks; the trackers don't like losing a kill. It balances out in my eyes, if not in yours then I appologize.


As for cliff-diving... well if you really want to see me dead, then prove it and follow! Why should I allow for a kill if my attackers (always plural when I do this) aren't willing to give everything for it?


Rating... I got 5-stars a while back (without fightclubbing too!). That mountain has been conquered. My actions are more on principle of the situation out in the moors. I'm sorry you didn't get that kb you came for, but hey; when it's one against many my conscience tends to let those things slide.

Have a great day.

Correct, not a total no loss in rating, but it is lessened, I should have been more clear and no, you were not the one I was referring to as I have never seen you do this. Personally, I don't get it, you did not make a good argument as to why and most of us when we get zerged take our medicine and die by the zerg.

Speaking about getting spam tracked, you don't think we have the same problem on Creep side? Try playing a warg when a few hunters are around, well forget just hunters, most freeps now, as the store bought trackers are being used now by many. Being tracked 3 or 4 times back to back on my warg when only 1 or 2 hunters are around, I can attest to this and I do not disagree with your point here, but it is what it is.

I understand the art of cliffdiving, as previously stated. Cliffdive away, I'll just stand and watch ya jump. So your concience lends to you running away to one shotters lol, ok, again, it is what it is. Have a good one, I'll see ya out there, behind me, killin' me...

Originally Posted by Skydawg

Correct, not a total no loss in rating, but it is lessened, I should have been more clear and no, you were not the one I was referring to as I have never seen you do this. Personally, I don't get it, you did not make a good argument as to why and most of us when we get zerged take our medicine and die by the zerg.

I do only when I'm rez camping, called out, and superior numbers come. I'll die in 1v1s, 2v1s and maybe even 3v1s, but I don't like giving kills to groups that head over with the expectation that none of them will die while I most certainly will. Basically, if I can avoid getting killed by the zerg, then I will. It's just in my nature I guess.

Originally Posted by Skydawg

Speaking about getting spam tracked, you don't think we have the same problem on Creep side? Try playing a warg when a few hunters are around, well forget just hunters, most freeps now, as the store bought trackers are being used now by many. Being tracked 3 or 4 times back to back on my warg when only 1 or 2 hunters are around, I can attest to this and I do not disagree with your point here, but it is what it is.

Spam tracks are frustrating to say the least; for both sides. I got 5-stars on my burg and warg, and you'll just have to trust me on this; in rez camping situations it's been significantly worse for me on burg. Not to refute your point, it does suck when hunters spam track... but wargs and uruks can both track for me, and their numbers are > hunters at any time of the day.

Not to mention when a warg is called out camping, one to two hunters may come on a good day to try and find him, and at least one might be killed before the warg goes down, should he decide to engage and is well played. BA/WL duos come and track me, and I have no chance to beat them. (or more significantly, lack a sprint skill like wargs... makes 1-shotters more appealing when on burg than on warg as I can't escape if put in combat)

Or if the freeps are grouped to try and find/kill the warg, they're hindered by the amount of hunters traited in the group (or I suppose some might have bought the store tracker, /lame). Creep zergs however generally have many wargs and uruks, both can track me, and it's much more difficult to escape, from my warg-burg experience. Again that's not to argue with you, I'm just giving you some insight on where I'm coming from.

Originally Posted by Skydawg

I understand the art of cliffdiving, as previously stated. Cliffdive away, I'll just stand and watch ya jump. So your concience lends to you running away to one shotters lol, ok, again, it is what it is. Have a good one, I'll see ya out there, behind me, killin' me...

If you really want me dead and want the credit... you gotta be willing to give everything. As for my conscience... survival of the fittest? Haha! When it's many against one, you can suicide into them without earning anything, can try to run away but ultimately 9/10 times get caught and killed regardless, or try and find a way to not get killed by them. It's my playstyle/mentality, I don't expect anyone else to agree or fully comprehend. I am what I am!

Originally Posted by Ames

I stopped reading here. Coffee is NEVER lame. I need a permanent IV drip of it tbh...

There is such a thing as caffeine tolerance, you know.

Originally Posted by Lioncourt86

I do only when I'm rez camping, called out, and superior numbers come. I'll die in 1v1s, 2v1s and maybe even 3v1s, but I don't like giving kills to groups that head over with the expectation that none of them will die while I most certainly will. Basically, if I can avoid getting killed by the zerg, then I will. It's just in my nature I guess.

Spam tracks are frustrating to say the least; for both sides. I got 5-stars on my burg and warg, and you'll just have to trust me on this; in rez camping situations it's been significantly worse for me on burg. Not to refute your point, it does suck when hunters spam track... but wargs and uruks can both track for me, and their numbers are > hunters at any time of the day.

Not to mention when a warg is called out camping, one to two hunters may come on a good day to try and find him, and at least one might be killed before the warg goes down, should he decide to engage and is well played. BA/WL duos come and track me, and I have no chance to beat them. (or more significantly, lack a sprint skill like wargs... makes 1-shotters more appealing when on burg than on warg as I can't escape if put in combat)

Or if the freeps are grouped to try and find/kill the warg, they're hindered by the amount of hunters traited in the group (or I suppose some might have bought the store tracker, /lame). Creep zergs however generally have many wargs and uruks, both can track me, and it's much more difficult to escape, from my warg-burg experience. Again that's not to argue with you, I'm just giving you some insight on where I'm coming from.

If you really want me dead and want the credit... you gotta be willing to give everything. As for my conscience... survival of the fittest? Haha! When it's many against one, you can suicide into them without earning anything, can try to run away but ultimately 9/10 times get caught and killed regardless, or try and find a way to not get killed by them. It's my playstyle/mentality, I don't expect anyone else to agree or fully comprehend. I am what I am!

Gotchya! Totally understand, helps to see it with someone else's point of view..although I still say the store bought trackers suck! Now, get off my back!

Originally Posted by PhantomPunkk

There is such a thing as caffeine tolerance, you know.

Yeah mine is in desperate need of resetting..

Creeps are bad guys. When bad guys see a good guy they kill it, or die trying. That's my mentality when creeping. There's plenty of places you can go to have pre-arranged 1v1's where no one will run into you. If it's not pre-arranged and not in a hard to find spot, it's just a battle, and will be joined. It's not hate for 1v1's (for me anyway), it's killing the enemy. There may have been a time where I could respect the 1v1 and just watch, but being zerged by freeps a million times makes one kind of jaded, and eager for blood.