Thread: Why do so many creeps hate 1v1s?

Now before you all flame me, I do realize there is a fair amount of creeps who will 1v1.. but it seems the amount of gankers/haters is growing.

The purpose of this thread is for those who oppose to civilly explain why, and hopefully I can understand the reasoning and possibly change your mind.

Meneldor used to be have a thriving 1v1 community! ... now it seems like you're labeled a cheater of the worst degree if you engage in them... very depressing for guys like me who used to be big time 1v1ers.

Post away!

The last time I played on this server 1v1 was labelled Taboo.

By both Ranked Freeps and Creeps, mostly freeps because it was "Farming"

Originally Posted by Murtanion

The last time I played on this server 1v1 was labelled Taboo.

By both Ranked Freeps and Creeps, mostly freeps because it was "Farming"

Yeah and for a while it was just a small minority that opposed, the rest being for, or passive about it... now it seems the ratio has swapped.. :'(

Perhaps the new generation just hasn't tried them as much, or had a bad first experiance. If this is the case, then somebody needs to bust out Green Eggs and Ham, asap.

Originally Posted by Lioncourt86

Yeah and for a while it was just a small minority that opposed, the rest being for, or passive about it... now it seems the ratio has swapped.. :'(

Perhaps the new generation just hasn't tried them as much, or had a bad first experiance. If this is the case, then somebody needs to bust out Green Eggs and Ham, asap.

Id say the majority of creeps enjoy 1v1s but you have the few who dont Galthone/Jawws/Websturz and a few others

The arrogance is stunning.... because "they" can't 1v1 no one can 1v1 successfully so they call it FCing.

Originally Posted by Armitas

The arrogance is stunning.... because "they" can't 1v1 no one can 1v1 successfully so they call it FCing.

Alot of creeps feel that way which is sad, hey i lose at least half of my 1v1s because im just average and a Lm but i will still try.

Originally Posted by LEGENDofALL

Id say the majority of creeps enjoy 1v1s but you have the few who dont Galthone/Jawws/Websturz and a few others

Jawws has been behaving lately. I would scratch his name from my 1v1 black list.

Originally Posted by PuduBatt

Jawws has been behaving lately. I would scratch his name from my 1v1 black list.

For Now
!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by PuduBatt

Jawws has been behaving lately. I would scratch his name from my 1v1 black list.

He has, the old mirlin is returning! He has also improved a lot, a whole lot.

Originally Posted by Lioncourt86

Now before you all flame me, I do realize there is a fair amount of creeps who will 1v1.. but it seems the amount of gankers/haters is growing.

The purpose of this thread is for those who oppose to civilly explain why, and hopefully I can understand the reasoning and possibly change your mind.

Meneldor used to be have a thriving 1v1 community! ... now it seems like you're labeled a cheater of the worst degree if you engage in them... very depressing for guys like me who used to be big time 1v1ers.

Post away!

You killed my BA twice at slugs.
First time you got jump while I had slug aggro and low power, some life gone... slug actually stole KB from you.
Retreated, ran back out to fight you without some health missing and some range if I track you.... but mez pot was on CD from first attempt.. and some warg jumped in, and disappeared or died, not sure, when I got back you were at 80% health.. got you down to 400 hp, and I died, you walked away. Cureable fire dot.. fails again.

So I log on my warg thinking you want a "more fair" 1v1.. you are gone.
I go to TA where the fighting is and find you.
Attack 3 times and 2 times there are hunters pairing up tracking me.. (think vapt and gilrod?) so I died 3 times, you never.
Even the time it was 2 creeps vs you and I seen it and after first creep died, jumped in.. still died and you didn't..

Frustrated, checked combat logs. This is by memory but it is pretty close since I was surprised at the numbers:

Your AUTO ATTACK crit hit 650.
My Claws hit immediately after that crit for only 520..

Max claw was 920, didn't get a dev the whole fight.
Your max was 2k from flashing blade..

I didn't use CA at the time, nor threw in numbers in excel, but EVERY attack I had was only equal or less than yours (outside of auto attacks sometimes were less than claw.. maul was worthless.. 30 or less).

My audacity on warg is 3.
Not sure what yours is.

Now some of you like elmo will say this is QQ...

Why I don't desire to 1v1:
I can try to position and strafe circle and joust, positioning used to make the difference in 1v1..
ie running through the last second before a HS, getting out of range of champ and jousting claws "through" them to get behind damage.

Now the game mechanics have changed, there is more slack in this.. don't know if it was documented, but it seems it came around the same time the weapon delay change happened.

So if you can't mechanics wise gain an advantage by moving, then you rely totally on developer set rules.
I can't change the amount a skill does (except for using frenzy after a crit to hopefully make it crit)..
I can't change if I hit or miss.. I can't press buttons harder.. or use the mouse to focus the attack.. it is "If in range, if facing target, execute vs bpe and modified miss chance on level diff"

So could I win a 1v1 vs a burg like you? Maybe.. if you mess up totally or the rng favors me considerably. Neither of which is really 1v1 pvp in my eyes.

But any time you want a "fair" pvp by us having equal footing.. play me in csgo. A game that actual planning, movement, and aim make a difference!

Originally Posted by Dyfrin

Now the game mechanics have changed, there is more slack in this.. don't know if it was documented, but it seems it came around the same time the weapon delay change happened.

Warg auto-attacks have a longer range than a freeps 2 handed weapon range (halberd and champ sword tested). I haven't tested a 1 handers range but it is at the very least shorter than a 2hander. If there is a broken range mechanic it is in your favor at this time.

Originally Posted by Armitas

Warg auto-attacks have a longer range than a freeps 2 handed weapon range (halberd and champ sword tested). I haven't tested a 1 handers range but it is at the very least shorter than a 2hander. If there is a broken range mechanic it is in your favor at this time.

Quite a few Warg melee skills are 3.5m range as opposed to the typical 2.5, iirc.

Originally Posted by Dyfrin

You killed my BA twice at slugs.
First time you got jump while I had slug aggro and low power, some life gone... slug actually stole KB from you.
Retreated, ran back out to fight you without some health missing and some range if I track you.... but mez pot was on CD from first attempt.. and some warg jumped in, and disappeared or died, not sure, when I got back you were at 80% health.. got you down to 400 hp, and I died, you walked away. Cureable fire dot.. fails again.

So I log on my warg thinking you want a "more fair" 1v1.. you are gone.
I go to TA where the fighting is and find you.
Attack 3 times and 2 times there are hunters pairing up tracking me.. (think vapt and gilrod?) so I died 3 times, you never.
Even the time it was 2 creeps vs you and I seen it and after first creep died, jumped in.. still died and you didn't..

Frustrated, checked combat logs. This is by memory but it is pretty close since I was surprised at the numbers:

Your AUTO ATTACK crit hit 650.
My Claws hit immediately after that crit for only 520..

Max claw was 920, didn't get a dev the whole fight.
Your max was 2k from flashing blade..

I didn't use CA at the time, nor threw in numbers in excel, but EVERY attack I had was only equal or less than yours (outside of auto attacks sometimes were less than claw.. maul was worthless.. 30 or less).

My audacity on warg is 3.
Not sure what yours is.

Now some of you like elmo will say this is QQ...

Why I don't desire to 1v1:
I can try to position and strafe circle and joust, positioning used to make the difference in 1v1..
ie running through the last second before a HS, getting out of range of champ and jousting claws "through" them to get behind damage.

Now the game mechanics have changed, there is more slack in this.. don't know if it was documented, but it seems it came around the same time the weapon delay change happened.

So if you can't mechanics wise gain an advantage by moving, then you rely totally on developer set rules.
I can't change the amount a skill does (except for using frenzy after a crit to hopefully make it crit)..
I can't change if I hit or miss.. I can't press buttons harder.. or use the mouse to focus the attack.. it is "If in range, if facing target, execute vs bpe and modified miss chance on level diff"

So could I win a 1v1 vs a burg like you? Maybe.. if you mess up totally or the rng favors me considerably. Neither of which is really 1v1 pvp in my eyes.

But any time you want a "fair" pvp by us having equal footing.. play me in csgo. A game that actual planning, movement, and aim make a difference!

LOL you dont know the first thing about me when it comes to 1v1s i'll fight anyone though i prefer not to fight creeps who have.

1. bought their skills

2. Use a Brand

3. Use every known buff possible


Now i have fought many why'll they use those(except Brand then i'll use one plus pop Eldars grace) but i'd rather fight creeps straight up based on skills and abilitys

Originally Posted by LEGENDofALL

LOL you dont know the first thing about me when it comes to 1v1s i'll fight anyone though i prefer not to fight creeps who have.

1. bought their skills

2. Use a Brand

3. Use every known buff possible


Now i have fought many why'll they use those(except Brand then i'll use one plus pop Eldars grace) but i'd rather fight creeps straight up based on skills and abilitys

I agree, but (some, not all) freeps and creeps alike insist on using store pots and brands...its frankly annoying, that while we may have to pay somewhat, their is no need to play right into dev's hands.