Instead of making these global buffs that we can't remove or opt out of, like the current anniversary double xp buff, can't we receive some item like a tome that when used provides the buff?
The reason is, and I know I'm one of the few here, but I HATE getting bonus xp. The game already gives xp disproportionately, so you outlevel content too fast and can't gain any real rep or marks at the same rate and have to return later to grind that stuff without any risk/fun.
I want to level up slowly enough to have to explore the content and gain my deeds, rep, and marks. I don't even use skirmishes because they level you way too fast.
Again, I know most people like to level quickly because for them the game isn't about the playing, but the reaching of highest level (seems to me perverse to play a game you don't enjoy the game-play, but whatever, I'm in the minority and I know it). I'm just asking for the option to be left out of these promotions/buffs.
If tomes were distributed instead of the buff being applied across the board, then those who don't want it can trash the tome. They could easily make it only work for the period intended so as to prevent hoarding.
its not like any content (except tasks) locks you out when you're too high-level...if you just like playing the game for the game's sake, then level doesnt really matter, does it?
You dont have to get better gear or train your skills up until you're ready, so really all you're "forced" to accept with extra XP is a few extra base stats and a small to-hit bonus/enemy to-hit penalty...
Plus, since you get much more negligible XP for quests and monsters a few levels below your own, it effectively DOES ret@rd your XP gain if you find yourself starting to outlevel a zone you're in, so the content itself never becomes really trivial. Easy, but not trivial. Well, arguably most quest content is trivial even at-level....:P
Tomes wouldnt have the same effect. They only last a fraction of the time, and it would encourage many players to hoard them for later (ie, when RoR comes out and the cap goes up), rather than encouraging them to log in and play right now during the anniversary.
edit: i cant believe ret@rd is filtered. Its a perfectly legitimate word.
edit: i cant believe ret@rd is filtered. Its a perfectly legitimate word.
This word is now part of the hate speech lexicon along with a lot of other perfectly good words and symbols that have been taken over. At the rate we are going, there is not going to be any words left in the E for Everyone category.
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Instead of making these global buffs that we can't remove or opt out of, like the current anniversary double xp buff, can't we receive some item like a tome that when used provides the buff?
It appears the original plan which was supposed to deploy with the launch of Rise of Isengard is to go with global buffs. If you do not like the global buffs, you have two choices:
1) Do not play when the buffs are active
2) Buy the XP disabler in the Lotro Store
The XP disabler appeared for a very short time in the Lotro Store. It quickly disappeared. The announcement of its arrival was removed. No offical response was provided to our inquiries. It was as if the entire concept never happened.
Maybe it will return as part of the Rider of Rohan expansion. The only indication left of the XP disabler is the tool tip text "Can not be used with Halted Experience" or something similar.
IMHO - They not going to let us opt out easily. Turbine is going to want us to pay for the opt out via buying something from the Lotro Store.
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What I don't get is how many people think that their play-style is fine and no options for people with a different play-style are needed and thus they're entitled to lord it over those who don't understand how to play the game "correctly". An opt-out feature for bonus XP would not make those who like levelling fast loose a single XP - they wouldn't have to use it.
On the other hand, the absence of that kind of feature discomforts those who'd rather not get the bonus XP - for me each double XP weekend is a major hassle because I cannot play my characters like I normally would. With the current global XP buff lasting almost a week I will be down to rolling and playing grinder chars for TP before things are back to normal.
(And please don't tell me to stop playing while there is extra TP around - that particular piece of advice is not helpfull at all.)
Tomes or some item of gear may not be practical as an alternative solution for global buffs as those either run out after a time or take up an equipment slot (possibly clashing with Derudh's Stone) or take up valuable bag space for those planning to use them later in the gaming session.
How about the game checking on available global buffs upon log-in and then displaying the global buff icon (like the current heart icon for +100% kill XP) in the notifications area of the screen? The player could then click those notification icons and get a dialogue box saying "Do you want to active <this buff>?" with a "Yes" and a "No" option.
If somebody wants the global buff, they click "Yes" and the buff gets activated, showing in the character's buff bar as it currently does by default. If somebody does not want the global buff, they click "No" (or simply leave the notification icon sitting in the corner of their screen), the buff does not get activated and the player does not get the effects of the buff. If somebody changes their mind after a bit of playing, they can simply re-log and get a fresh set of notification icons to choose from.
Of course any activated buffs would be forcibly removed when they run out (e.g. at the end of a bonus XP weekend).
This solution would not only let people avoid unwanted bonus XP, but it could also be used to make all global buffs optional so that everyone could choose the combination of available buffs best suited for their play-style. For example, I like the global buff with the tree icon which increases run speed and decreases equipment wear, so I would probably use it whenever it was available. On the other hand there is times when I don't want to get the global wolf-icon buff which gives extra XP, so I could leave that deactivated, even if both buffs were available at the same time.
The checks needed for this implementation are already in the software as far as I can tell. Upon log-in the game checks if somebody got mail during their absence and places a notification icon in that case. The game can also check on global buffs ATM (and activate them automatically). The game can also open a dialogue box with a Yes/No-choice when a notification icon is clicked (as evidenced by the quests that are initiated by an item or a letter being added to the inventory). The game can also use the input from a dialogue box to add a buff/debuff to the character (which is what happens after a defeat and the player gets a dread debuff).
All those elements are already in the game, they would only have to be re-combined.
The only drawback I can see is some people might forget to activate their global buffs upon log-in and miss out on something they now get automatically, but that could be solved by offering an options setting to the effect of "Always activate all available global buffs", so the game would trigger your global buffs for you and the de-facto situation with that option enabled was today's for all practical purposes.
I agree in that there should be some sort of option to not take part in the extra xp time. I don't really like a game telling me 'you are going to get THIS much exp and you are going to have to like it.' Sure I don't HAVE to log in during that time but at the same time I planned on either crafting or just taking it easy during that time..maybe people could I don't know..stop and not have to keep moving to 75 in game. Do something else in game ride your horse around, play freeze tag, chicken run (that might give xp can't remember), decorate your house, play hide and seek with people, the usual deeds, virutes, ettenmoors, organize your bags/vault/shared storage..I know there are probably alot more non-xp things to do in game. The game is NOT ONLY about the xp this game gives you lots of other choices unlike other games out there.
Yes, I know I will probably get yelled AGAIN for suggesting things but that is okay, used to it. Just giving a few ideas since I do not plan on using that time to not really quest. I mean that is what I like about festivals time it is a break from the constant usual quests/skirmishes do every day. Really when the festivals/events/double xp time ends its back to the quests/skirmishes again so why not just take it easy its not employment..find something other then getting xp to do for once.
What I don't get is how many people think that their play-style is fine and no options for people with a different play-style are needed and thus they're entitled to lord it over those who don't understand how to play the game "correctly". An opt-out feature for bonus XP would not make those who like levelling fast loose a single XP - they wouldn't have to use it.
Opt outs are fine, and Turbine actually tried to implement Halted XP, but apparently there were technical problems that caused its sudden surreptitious removal from the game. If it werent for that, then the OP would be happy, but since there apparently are some currently insurmountable issues with that idea, suggesting it isnt really going to help.
What the OP was suggesting wasnt actually an opt-out, either; he was suggesting removing Bonus XP Weekend entirely, and reducing it to a tome - 60 mins of bonus instead of 3 days is as much "lording over" the admittedly majority playstyle. The game can never be all things to all people, after all.
Originally Posted by Adralynne
I agree in that there should be some sort of option to not take part in the extra xp time. I don't really like a game telling me 'you are going to get THIS much exp and you are going to have to like it.'
Again, all you're getting is bonus kill XP. AFAIK it doesnt bonus quest completion XP, which is going to be the bulk of your XP as you level, typically. And it doesnt affect anything else like rep or crafting XP or deed advancement. And, again, its not going to force you to train skills or improve your gear, which is really what gives you more power as you level up. A L30 champ with L30 gear and L30 skills is almost identical to a L33 champ with L30 gear and L30 skills. Those extra 3 levels, alone, without better gear/skills, arent going to make challenging content suddenly trivial.
And, again, its not going to force you up more than 1-2 levels than you normally would be, because trivial or near-trivial monsters dont give you that much kill XP to double, anyway. One on-level kill may be 200 XP normally, 400 XP this weekend. One kill at -3 levels may be 75 xp normally, 150 this weekend.
You're not being "force fed" that much XP if you stay in the same area once it goes blue or green. Its only if you "keep up" with the accelerated leveling, and actually move on to higher areas, that you'll notice the difference. And, if you choose to move up to higher zones, then you cant complain that the game moves too fast
Again, all you're getting is bonus kill XP. AFAIK it doesnt bonus quest completion XP, which is going to be the bulk of your XP as you level, typically. And it doesnt affect anything else like rep or crafting XP or deed advancement. And, again, its not going to force you to train skills or improve your gear, which is really what gives you more power as you level up. A L30 champ with L30 gear and L30 skills is almost identical to a L33 champ with L30 gear and L30 skills. Those extra 3 levels, alone, without better gear/skills, arent going to make challenging content suddenly trivial.
Well... looking at the character I'm playing right now, I just killed two mobs for 216xp each. The average quest I'm completing is giving me around 900xp. So I'm going to say that with the xp buff, the imbalance in xp is a substantial one. I would much rather they allow me to opt out too.
I'm in complete agreement with the OP and Adralynne. I'm not one of those who has the WoW mentality of "ZOMG!! I have to get to end game as fast as I can or I don't wanna play this game anymore!!!!11". I happen to enjoy the process of playing the game rather than the final result and I don't care much for end game content. (lets do the same old, tired raid over and over 300 times! fun!) There is so much content in this game, it is absolutely impossible to do it all in a single run through WITHOUT an xp boost.
I happen to enjoy the process of playing the game rather than the final result and I don't care much for end game content.
Sooooo....play it? I still dont understand how any XP boost is so fundamentally preventing you from playing the game slower if you want to, if power leveling isnt your game.
So what if the mobs are blue or green instead of white? They die in 20 seconds instead of 25? Landscape quests are all a total faceroll anyway, its not going to make that much difference if you're an extra level or two higher. If you're enjoying the exploration, the storyline, etc., none of that is going to be affected by bonus XP. Just turn off your XP bar display and ignore it for a couple days. You say level doesnt matter to you, so why does it matter?
Incidentally, "deeds and rep" which the OP mentions, arent affected by bonus XP, and "marks", which he also mentions, are only gained through skirmishing, which he said he always avoids...
Again, I'm not defending trying to force-feed anyone a playstyle they dont enjoy. I'm just wondering why people are complaining about not being able to play a certain way that ignores XP, when they pretty much can, if they just ignore the XP...
This word is now part of the hate speech lexicon along with a lot of other perfectly good words and symbols that have been taken over. At the rate we are going, there is not going to be any words left in the E for Everyone category.
Yeah, I know - it annoys me no end that people have such thin skins, but such is life. That particular word got some special attention here because one of Turbine's employees has a learning-disabled child and went on a rant about people using it here. I like him, so I didn't press the point back then, but I could have pointed out that the commonly used words "lame" and "gimpy" could give offense to people who are looking to be offended. Only... most people don't mean that at all, and I seriously doubt they even think about it. They just use those as synonyms for the words "disappointing" or "weak", and I don't think they should need to stop using "lame" or "gimpy" just because someone might be offended.
As for the OP... I'd be fine if the buffs were optional. I like them, but opinions are going to vary. As long as I can apply them if I wish, great.
Let view this from a low level player. I started Daigh at level 1. He level 3 now. Let see what level he is by 9pm tomarrow PT.
This was doing Quests, Killing Mobs that quest tell you to kill and mobs you have to kill to get around into area.
The reason why fight quests the same level or a level 1 or 2 higher then me it because it a challenge. It make the game fun. Unlike you droid No one here want to play game if it TOO EASY.
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The reason why fight quests the same level or a level 1 or 2 higher then me it because it a challenge.
Understood, which is why I do most quests when they're yellow or orange - sometimes red. Because I value challenge over "completeness", I simply dump stuff that's fallen below "blue" and move on. I think this is nice for someone who's played many characters because it means we have choices about what to do and what to skip - there are quests or entire quest lines I just don't like very much, and I can avoid the tedium of doing them again (and again, and again).
But for a new player who doesn't know what they like or don't like, someone trying to stay with another player long-term, or a "completionist"... it would be nice to have more control over how fast the leveling process goes.
Sure, but all sorts of words can be taken to be "insults" by those who are easily offended. The word "fat" can be used as an insult, but I don't think we need to get rid of "fat". And even if the insult is clear and unambiguous, adults can hopefully figure out how to avoid getting all bent out of shape by words from strangers across the internet somewhere. And if not... moderators can help "remind" people how to behave themselves.
Keep in mind also that Turbine bought this forum software OEM; they didn't write it themselves and can't modify ig.
Forum software is extensible in many ways, and setting the profanity filter is one of those ways. I'm pretty sure Turbine added this word to the filter themselves... it was pretty commonly used until that episode I mentioned before. Then it turned into stars.
As an aside, I always wanted Turbine to offer a way to do client-side chat processing in the game via a plug-in. The reason? Each player could tune the filter themselves, getting rid of some of the stupid false positives, starring out ugly words the normal filter had missed, and doing some substitutions to improve readibility. I'd use that last feature to turn common IM-speak back into English, for example .
That particular word got some special attention here because one of Turbine's employees has a learning-disabled child and went on a rant about people using it here.
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Oh I was mad when he said that. He made several posts in that thread ranting about it. Well, it's their private domain, but man.
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Sooooo....play it? I still dont understand how any XP boost is so fundamentally preventing you from playing the game slower if you want to, if power leveling isnt your game.
So what if the mobs are blue or green instead of white? They die in 20 seconds instead of 25? Landscape quests are all a total faceroll anyway, its not going to make that much difference if you're an extra level or two higher.
Try playing a Warden when you simply can't get off a gambit (nothing longer than a pair, anyway) unless you make sure to fight multiple mobs at the same time. Is it even 'playing a Warden' if there are no gambits?
Similarly, on my Burglar, I'd like to be able to actually *use* the critical-response skills - if I'm killing every mob in just two hits, that's not very likely.
For Hunters, there's Merciful Shot which I rarely get to use, and on my Minstrel, there's not much of a rotation either. I just think that's a shame.
You have a Valid point there Annariel On not useing skills for some classes. Add RK to the mix. Because the attunement bar. By the time you hit higher level skills while doing Green Quests that monster Dead. Then there champions with fervour. Granted there skills to use to get to max with hunter and champions. I think a few more classes have this issue.
Very ture Khafar I love doing Duneland at level 60 on my RK. It was Hard as hell. But you learn Limits of your class and how to balance Attunement with healing and combat. Most of the Mobs where Orange and Red and some Purple.
Now my RK is level 16. The frist 7 levels are the slowest and took the longest. Once I exit out of that area. I played for 6 hours and already level 16. My guess when I get up tonight. I will be able to gain more levels. On my high level toons even with out the buff I was leveling once a day.
Now about the other topic. About words. We dont know who behind the screen. So what can be funny for someone could hurt someone else feelings. So when someone has a problem in a family like a disabilty. It dose not Affect that one person. It affects the whole family and there friends.
Sure, but all sorts of words can be taken to be "insults" by those who are easily offended. The word "fat" can be used as an insult, but I don't think we need to get rid of "fat". And even if the insult is clear and unambiguous, adults can hopefully figure out how to avoid getting all bent out of shape by words from strangers across the internet somewhere. And if not... moderators can help "remind" people how to behave themselves.
I hate that for some reason having thick skin has become sort of virtue, and condescending posts like this are usually (not always) made by people with underdeveloped senses of empathy, and who have probably not even experienced anything terribly traumatic in their lives. It's easy to claim to have thick skin when nothing is really trying to break that skin.
Even people who *have* been subject to threats and insults using some of these terms and gotten over it are seemingly ignorant to the fact that just because THEY have found a way to not be offended, not all people are capable.
Instead of telling people to toughen up, I think people need to learn appropriate places to use these words, if there are any such places. A public forum or chat channel is not one of these places. Yes, you're anonymous on the internet. A sign of emotional maturity is doing the right thing even when there are no real consequences for doing the wrong.
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What the OP was suggesting wasnt actually an opt-out, either; he was suggesting removing Bonus XP Weekend entirely, and reducing it to a tome - 60 mins of bonus instead of 3 days is as much "lording over" the admittedly majority playstyle. The game can never be all things to all people, after all.
I was suggesting no such thing. I wanted a form of opt out. I have nothing against the extra xp for those who want it.
The notion of a tome was not that it should be for 60 minutes. I was just saying they could give you something to 'activate' the xp boost that I could simply not use.
Sure I could just stop playing during the event but that's no fun, and frankly I want to take advantage of the mob-dropped tokens for marks (which is a great sort of correction to xp gain being too fast in one area at least).
And sure I can keep questing long after any remote challenge is gone from killing mobs lower level than me. But that's no fun either. In fact I like to fight mobs 5-7 levels above mine when I can because the game is too easy imo.
What I'm asking for is not anything that would disrupt those who enjoy having no challenge and getting buckets of xp. I simply want to be able to opt out.
I was going to post a similar suggestion, but as the OP beat me to it...
Why not just mail players a scroll that gives a similar boost as the current?
Either a one-week boost or one that expires at a certain date. Pick up your mail. If you want the boost, click on the scroll, if you don't, vendor it for a silver.
We already have this in the game, all that is needed is a different duration.
I hate that for some reason having thick skin has become sort of virtue, and condescending posts like this are usually (not always) made by people with underdeveloped senses of empathy, and who have probably not even experienced anything terribly traumatic in their lives.
So because some people use the word to insult certain other people, neither of which group I belong to, I have to give up use of a word that means to slow down or restrict? Why is my vocabulary at the pleasure of other people's sensibilities?
Some people are mean. Thats never going to change. The only thing you can do about it is not let it bother you, so in that respect, yes, thick skin is a virtue and a sign of personal maturity and realizing "sticks and stones". Trying to censor mean words isnt going to somehow eradicate meanness.
Incidentally, there is no "nice alternative" for any word used in a derogatory sense. "Gay", "re-tarded", etc. may offend some of today's more sensitive and outspoken groups, but who is there to speak out against "dumb"? Who will take a stand against "lame"? Who will make a well-reasoned argument against "stupid", "idiot", or "moron"? The only alternative along your course of logic is a completely white-washed and PC lexicon where there just arent words anymore to say anything is not good.
Well we are in the 21st century not the 20st Century so please join us in the 21st century droid. I can name tons of words we use to use in 20st century that deem rude now.
Please Note. It been over 24 hours. I played 12 hours. I gain 20 Levels in one day.
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Well we are in the 21st century not the 20st Century so please join us in the 21st century droid. I can name tons of words we use to use in 20st century that deem rude now.
Please Note. It been over 24 hours. I played 12 hours. I gain 20 Levels in one day.
Yes well your sig currently shows your char at L25. 5-25 in 12 hours of play has always been doable, even without the global buff. Heck, in my experience that might even be slow. Try 55-75 in a day, even with the buff.
And, no offense, but English is obviously not your first language; perhaps you shouldnt wax so righteous and expert about the nuances of derogatory synonyms, or try to paint with so broad a brush that deprecatory words are all the same and all as unequivocally offensive.
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