Discussion: Change human "return to" trait

I realized a few days ago that humans are the last race to be able to return to Bree, which makes no sense. Every other race can get to kindred with Bree and then get the return by buying it with 100 barrow treasure. Humans have to wait till level 29 and then get enmity of the wargs 2 to get to return to Bree.

Why not change the human "return to" trait to get to any other human settlement and allow everyone to buy Bree with barrow treasure. That way the lower level humans can get back to Bree also.

I was going to say where else would you suggest? But then I thought Esteldin is actually a good option, considering Elves have Rivendell which is broadly comparable.

Esteldin would actually be an awesome choice, since its a) level appropriate, b) a central hub throughout lvls 30-50, c) The only early crafting center without any ports.
Edit: Oops, my memory was wrong. sorry about that. Virtuous man is not from esteldin, thought it was.

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Esteldin would actually be an awesome choice, since its a) level appropriate, b) Where you get virtuous man, c) a central hub throughout lvls 30-50, d) The only early crafting center without any ports.

Ditto. What he said.

You get vitreous man from Bree, not Esteldin. Otherwise, I agree that the Man racial port could stand to be moved.

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You get vitreous man from Bree...

Sorry, I really had to.

But I love the idea, considering how easy is to get Bree reputation items everybody should be able to get the same benefits from them.

Human recall is no different than the dwarf recall.

The problem is that there is no reputation recall to Rivendell and Michel Delving. I doubt we will ever see these arrive as reputation ports because Turbine sells them in the Lotro Store.

This kind of change would give Men an additional port compared to Elves and Dwarves.

If Men get the Bree-town rep port PLUS a new racial port, then it doesn't make sense to restrict dwarves to just their racial port to TH instead of giving them a racial port to somewhere else (maybe the dwarf settlement of Othrika in the North Downs. conveniently close to Esteldin) PLUS the TH rep port. And the same would go for Elves and their port to Rivendell. And the situation for Hobbits is just plain weird at the moment as their racial port is not matched by any rep port in the game.

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Human recall is no different than the dwarf recall.

The Human recall WAS properly like the Dwarf recall before the remake of HI.

As it stands for TH Dwarves get the recall earlier, but have to sacrifice a trait slot for it, the others get it without the trait but have to wait a bit. (or at least had to before the rep-time were click-to-consume, don't know how it is now)

Bree however, everyone else can get the trait-free port by 20 or so but Men have to wait well into their 30s AND sacrifice a trait slot for it.

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This kind of change would give Men an additional port compared to Elves and Dwarves.

If Men get the Bree-town rep port PLUS a new racial port, then it doesn't make sense to restrict dwarves to just their racial port to TH instead of giving them a racial port to somewhere else (maybe the dwarf settlement of Othrika in the North Downs. conveniently close to Esteldin) PLUS the TH rep port. And the same would go for Elves and their port to Rivendell. And the situation for Hobbits is just plain weird at the moment as their racial port is not matched by any rep port in the game.

I think the idea would be to remove Bree from the Race of Man trait, and replace it with Esteldín. Basically:
Michel Delving - Hobbit get racial [personally, I think the rest should get by rep]
Thorin's Gate - Dwarves get racial, everone else get by rep
Rivendell - Elves get racial [Like Michel Delving]
Esteldín - Men get racial [Like Michel Delving]
Bree - everyone get by rep

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The Human recall WAS properly like the Dwarf recall before the remake of HI.

Not the first time Turbine made a mistake. IMHO - The solution is remove all the racial recalls. Make them open to everyone via the reputation system.

I think the chance of getting the human recall moved to Esteldin are close to zero. Esteldin is too valuable a location for the Free players. Turbine is not going to want to give an easy way for Free players with humans to get to Esteldin. Currently you are stuck with milestone or a class skill like Hunter guide to get to Esteldin. Or a very long landscape stable ride. Which Turbine is hoping will annoy players enough to buy one month of Game Time to unlock swift travel capability. Esteldin is one the first swift travel locations that puts a sting into the Free experience. Rivendell is another such location for scholars.

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I think the idea would be to remove Bree from the Race of Man trait, and replace it with Esteldín. Basically:
Michel Delving - Hobbit get racial [personally, I think the rest should get by rep]
Thorin's Gate - Dwarves get racial, everone else get by rep
Rivendell - Elves get racial [Like Michel Delving]
Esteldín - Men get racial [Like Michel Delving]
Bree - everyone get by rep

Mabey I didn't explain it properly, so I will try to break it down in more detail. If the men racial port is changed to something like Esteldin and Men can instead get the Bree-town rep port like the other race the situation will be:

Men: racial port to Esteldin (?), rep ports to Bree, Rivendell and TH - total: 4
Dwarves: racial port to TH, rep ports to Bree and Rivendell - total: 3
Elves: racial port to Rivendell, rep ports to Bree and TH - total: 3
Hobbits: racial port to MD, rep ports to Bree, Rivendell and TH - total: 4

At the moment all races get a total of 3 ports between those locations, except Hobbits who can have 4. The Hobbit situation doesn't make sense ATM, but giving Men a port more than the other races seems somewhat arbitrary. That is what I was trying to point out.

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Mabey I didn't explain it properly, so I will try to break it down in more detail. If the men racial port is changed to something like Esteldin and Men can instead get the Bree-town rep port like the other race the situation will be:

Men: racial port to Esteldin (?), rep ports to Bree, Rivendell and TH - total: 4
Dwarves: racial port to TH, rep ports to Bree and Rivendell - total: 3
Elves: racial port to Rivendell, rep ports to Bree and TH - total: 3
Hobbits: racial port to MD, rep ports to Bree, Rivendell and TH - total: 4

At the moment all races get a total of 3 ports between those locations, except Hobbits who can have 4. The Hobbit situation doesn't make sense ATM, but giving Men a port more than the other races seems somewhat arbitrary. That is what I was trying to point out.

There's no rep port to Rivendell. You have to get that from the store if you want it.

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Men: racial port to Esteldin (?), rep ports to Bree, Rivendell and TH - total: 4
Dwarves: racial port to TH, rep ports to Bree and Rivendell - total: 3
Elves: racial port to Rivendell, rep ports to Bree and TH - total: 3
Hobbits: racial port to MD, rep ports to Bree, Rivendell and TH - total: 4

Only Elves can port to Rivendell. The correct totals are 2 for Dwarf/Human, 3 for Elf/Hobbit.

Okay, I stand corrected. That's what comes from having a favourite race. *shrug*

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Esteldin is too valuable a location for the Free players. Turbine is not going to want to give an easy way for Free players with humans to get to Esteldin. Currently you are stuck with milestone or a class skill like Hunter guide to get to Esteldin. Or a very long landscape stable ride. Which Turbine is hoping will annoy players enough to buy one month of Game Time to unlock swift travel capability. Esteldin is one the first swift travel locations that puts a sting into the Free experience. Rivendell is another such location for scholars.

Conversely, Esteldin is the only Superior crafting site in SoA that isnt served by a port. Rivendell=sup study, Elf port. TH=sup forge, Dwarf port (and rep port, is that still broken?). MD=sup study, sup farmland nearby in Hobbiton, Hobbit port. Esteldin=no port.

By that logic, they should remove the dwarf TH port and all the ST routes to TH, because sup forges are about as in-demand as sup workbenches, and there's crafting guilds in both TH and Esteldin.

Same for Rivendell, which is an even more annoying slow-horse ride than Esteldin. And, at Esteldin's level, Evendim has similarly long slow-travel routes already. Once you get through Lone-Lands, as true-F2P, I think you're going to hit the ST wall pretty soon one place or another, even if Esteldin is port-able for Men.

Esteldin is way to useful, this wouldn't be very balanced.

My sources at Turbine* have suggested Return to Archet as a compromise.









*I have no sources at Turbine.

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Esteldin is way to useful, this wouldn't be very balanced.

My sources at Turbine* have suggested Return to Archet as a compromise.

More useful than Rivendell? Or MD, if you're a Hobbit Farmer or Scholar?

Honestly, Archet would be totally pointless of course, but if it meant being able to get the Bree rep port sooner, I'd rather have a useless racial port (or none at all)

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Conversely, Esteldin is the only Superior crafting site in SoA that isnt served by a port. Rivendell=sup study, Elf port. TH=sup forge, Dwarf port (and rep port, is that still broken?). MD=sup study, sup farmland nearby in Hobbiton, Hobbit port. Esteldin=no port.

By that logic, they should remove the dwarf TH port and all the ST routes to TH, because sup forges are about as in-demand as sup workbenches, and there's crafting guilds in both TH and Esteldin.

Same for Rivendell, which is an even more annoying slow-horse ride than Esteldin. And, at Esteldin's level, Evendim has similarly long slow-travel routes already. Once you get through Lone-Lands, as true-F2P, I think you're going to hit the ST wall pretty soon one place or another, even if Esteldin is port-able for Men.

Suri Kyla Sup forge/workbench - no port.