Honestly the only reason I have not transfered yet is because
1) The people i group with. Even though there has been a LOT of wb/oc fighting/camping few of us group together and make the best of it. Such as when me and healz duo lc cg ( which took roughly around 11 min ). Or we get a small roaming pack going. Sometimes we get a raid going and so do the freeps and have awesome pvp ( which is not that often ).
2) Im a broke college student
But I will not lie i have been peeping out couple servers but it seems lonely. So unless we all transfer as a group (which i doubt) im staying to torment the freeps with my suicide runs
Yep its pretty sad. Meneldor freeps are so used to easy mode farming that when you wipe them they rage quit...I got sick of this daily bs so i put my freeps on hold and rolled a WL. Like Jek , I die more on creep side but I have a lot more fun because of the people I play with! And at the end of the day thats what games are all about eh? Anyway, Meneldor creep side is by far WAAAYYYY better then the freep side. Too bad little by little we are losing more and more creeps because of what you mentioned and other reasons...Eventually Meneldor PVP will be dead if this continues.
Props to Elmo and Ames for trying to one-shot the freeps.
Show up more often.
Honestly, I hate OC/lug rez fights, its as bad if not worse than TA/EC fights. I try to not camp and sit there unless I truly can't find fights elsewhere (face it we all need comms) or if theres a decent back and forth (which there was for a short while today). You know I'm bored when I'm suiciding. I'll try to take out as many people as possible with my suicide run into the one shotters. Sadly today, they didn't follow like I thought they would as I charged forward.
I don't want to farm people, I'm not out to get mine in PvP, I just want good fights. Sadly, the newer freeps are considering this #### PvP action. If a keep gets taken no one blinks. Today, after wiping the 1v1s, one freep was going YAY PVP can start immediately after which it was 10 freeps staring at OC. Both sides like farm mode though, yesterday it was creeps doing the circle zerg through TA over and over of the few freeps that were in there (we had the ON buff at the time) while the freep npcs just waved as they ran by. It wasn't quality PvP there either. I'm not knocking creeps for it because it is what it is but just trying to point it, it happens both sides if the opportunities arise. Its just creeps have less capability to do it and more and more freeps keep showing up for gear etc. I actually think the influx of freeps this time around was worse than when they introduced gear through ranking. I guess the idea was to bring people to the moors which is good but with lack of leadership all around, it just ends up turning into this farm fest.
Though what definitely didn't help was the mass influx of people leaving for bloodier pastures because the PvP here wasn't to their liking. We as players create our own PvP, it is what you make of it. If people don't do what they can even individually to promote decent PvP then we are the problem with the PvP here.
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Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans
So I logged on my warg for a little bit today and all I see is 15 freeps playing Hunters/LMs/Ministrels/Rks sitting on west bridge and lugz rez....
But, to do anything less, would be to place themselves in certain jeopardy - gawd forbid! they should die.
Props to the two duos I saw on my solo circuits around the map today, Elmo & Bushy and Dim & Archwyn. To the rest who stared starry-eyed into oc for hours on end, your suckitude is of such a magnitude it doesn't even register on the suckitude charts.
Suckitude.
(The last "suckitude" is for emphasis, if not wholly superfluous... but whatevah)
Just wait until June 2012 (or thereabouts)... then this game's PvP will be RESTING IN PEACE!
P.S. Thanks Sappy Essence... for putting me out of my proverbial misery. I've not logged into your P.O.S. game but once since then and I won't be back either. Come get your due in GW2!
But, to do anything less, would be to place themselves in certain jeopardy - gawd forbid! they should die.
Props to the two duos I saw on my solo circuits around the map today, Elmo & Bushy and Dim & Archwyn. To the rest who stared starry-eyed into oc for hours on end, your suckitude is of such a magnitude it doesn't even register on the suckitude charts.
Suckitude.
(The last "suckitude" is for emphasis, if not wholly superfluous... but whatevah)
So I logged on my warg for a little bit today and all I see is 15 freeps playing Hunters/LMs/Ministrels/Rks sitting on west bridge and lugz rez....
and you all wonder why pvp sucks on this once great server... I feel sorry for you remaining people that play melee in the moors.
I logged on my captain the same day and saw 12 creeps circle farming 4 freeps in TA and using a tyrant on top of it all. Stuff happens. I had a high rank, well hated warg, pull tortmond into the spider tower just to screw my quest rather than fight me solo. Stuff happens on both sides. No side is righteous! There are good days, bad days, and bad people on every server.
We don't all log in at the same time so numbers are not always even. Creeps/freeps go where the creeps/freeps are at. If at anytime you don't want freeps/creeps at a particular location, then move from that location. When freeps get farmed at EC we got to TR I suggest you do the same.
Goth. We'd love to have you back and your always welcome here but stop trying to destroy the server were so desperately trying to fix. Help us don't hurt us.
Pan. You love us bro don't deny it. Re-roll a new account. Do a freever if you don't want to pay.
I logged on my captain the same day and saw 12 creeps circle farming 4 freeps in TA and using a tyrant on top of it all. Stuff happens. I had a high rank, well hated warg, pull tortmond into the spider tower just to screw my quest rather than fight me solo. Stuff happens on both sides. No side is righteous!
Yes, like two freeps ganking two creeps in the middle of two manning a CG, when it's down to 90k...not QQing coz that's cool and all, you wanna defend the keep more power to ya. Yet, then you wonder why the warg did what he did and post about it (stopping PvE is stopping PvE...)? Then we'll top that off with you using LS in a 2(freeps)v1 after the WL was long dead, the CG on me and you and the RK killing me...really? Well, I guess I can't QQ about that, it's a skill, use what you have. Oh, let's not forget with a 2v2 and a 3 (freep) v2 and what did turn into a 3v3, we were dragged into your mobs, wouldn't fight out in the open...how come? So, if you're wondering why we came after you in the spiders, I think you can guess. Yeah, no one is righteous.
This is what Meneldor freeps think is fun; no chance of losing, no risk, roll the creeps with little or no resistance and that's a win! Yay, PvP is fun...lol w/e! Oh, recently I have heard some freeps saying all creeps are all low IQ idiots, really lol (I'll put my IQ up against those who say this anytime...)? It's not often Creeps ON the Freeps, so is it any wonder we try to roll Freeps as much as we can, coz it won't last, not like the literal hours upon hours of OC/Rez camps that have been going on. And to say move it...we try, we take keeps, we map out, we have gone to Lugz, we come and flank if we have the numbers, or from behind to squeeze, yet, after all that, the freeps still stand there staring at OC/Rez because they think that's fun PvP.
I and those I know will not EC camp or rez camp. Yes we might hit up EC for 5-10 minutes, same with the rez, yet we don't keep the freeps there hours upon hours coz it's /yawn boring. We have stood out in the middle of fields and challenged the freeps...we have had some great fights, but they are rare, they should be common, OC/EC/Rez camps should be rare. Yes we all go to where the fight is, we all want renown/infamy, but I think I can speak for every creep as to how frustrating the freeps are to us atm, and for a while now. Hmmm, I think I caught rabies from some random warg...or was it that squirrel?!?!?
1. Karlis you dont even play here anymore so your 15 mins doesnt give the entire picture
2. Yes i'd say freeps do the stupidest stuff when it comes to oc/lug rez/wb with the farming and it gets old
3. Depending on the time of day creeps have done the same thing to a half dozen freeps then run threw Ta with Coco healing getting no agro from the npcs and wiping all the freeps soooo yeah creeps do it too just not as much.
4. You want to blame someone for all the farming then blame turbine for its program to get freeps armour with comms instead of stones etc.... this seems to be the biggest problem
Lastly dont want to blame the creeps because yes the majority of the time the freeps cause the problem but heres a thought maybe just maybe if ALL the creeps left OC and fought from their keep ,had a warg pack on the hill then maybe you'd see freeps getting farmed too.
I wouldnt sit at OC for nothing if i was a creep , id take TR and you know after it flips they'd come to Tr and when was the last time we had a good old Red Tr fight???? Freeps wouldnt have a rez so they'd have to come from GV and hey a nice little gank squad to stop them from coming back would be nice.
Grass is always greenier on the other side till you get to the other side and all you get is brown grass with doggie puddles everywhere.
Karlis if you're going to give an opinion get all the facts not a little of what you see because its not everything and 15mins isnt the entire picture.
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
Yes, like two freeps ganking two creeps in the middle of two manning a CG, when it's down to 90k...not QQing coz that's cool and all, you wanna defend the keep more power to ya. Yet, then you wonder why the warg did what he did and post about it (stopping PvE is stopping PvE...)? Then we'll top that off with you using LS in a 2(freeps)v1 after the WL was long dead, the CG on me and you and the RK killing me...really? Well, I guess I can't QQ about that, it's a skill, use what you have. Oh, let's not forget with a 2v2 and a 3 (freep) v2 and what did turn into a 3v3, we were dragged into your mobs, wouldn't fight out in the open...how come? So, if you're wondering why we came after you in the spiders, I think you can guess. Yeah, no one is righteous.
Yet you bring it up, and say your not QQing? Yes i'm going to stop you from taking a "keep"...I tried to 1v1 the warg, he wouldn't bite because he's going for a 2k rating, gave him ample opportunity, so I grabbed tortmond.
I popped last stand because I knew you would pop moving target. It's the same thing against melees only mine has a longer cooldown. If you don't want a last stand then don't pop moving target, i'm not tactical. It wasn't a 1v1, I have to think of others so i'm using every cooldown and so should you. If it was a 1v1 and you popped MT i'd hit last stand, same as dying rage.
2(freeps)v1 after the WL was long dead
Thats called a 2v2..It doesn't turn into a 2v1 because the warleader died. That doesn't make sense.
Oh, let's not forget with a 2v2 and a 3 (freep) v2 and what did turn into a 3v3, we were dragged into your mobs, wouldn't fight out in the open...how come?
The RK turned 75 3 days ago. He left after 2 fights, long before you got a warg. From that point it was a 3v2 on. there was never a 3v3. ...Also...We had spider npcs on us, thats why we didn't fight in the open and returned to LC..... Then immediately once turg and I cleared the npcs and healed up we did go after you in what we though would be a 2v2 (as we saw you waiting for us to clear the npcs) but you had a warg waiting to pounce us. Thats my fault for trusting you I'm not mad...It's PvP.
Stuff happens, not sure why your QQing about it. We died in PVP WAI.
Originally Posted by Skydawg
Oh, recently I have heard some freeps saying all creeps are all low IQ idiots, really lol (I'll put my IQ up against those who say this anytime...)?
I and those I know will not EC camp or rez camp. Yes we might hit up EC for 5-10 minutes, same with the rez, yet we don't keep the freeps there hours upon hours coz it's /yawn boring.
Never listen to the opposite OOC's chat. No one means what they say in ooc.. they are just venting in the same manner your doing here. You guys never camp the rez and thats awesome. It's the wargs who camp it. 4-6v1s every day of the week coming out of TR rez. Both sides get camped at the rez.
There are plenty of horrible people on this server, but it's not going to be different anywhere else.
Yet you bring it up, and say your not QQing? Yes i'm going to stop you from taking a "keep". I tried to 1v1 the warg, he wouldn't bite because he's going for a 2k rating, gave him ample opportunity, so I grabbed tortmond.
I popped last stand because I knew you would pop moving target. It's the same thing against melees only mine has a longer cooldown. 2(freeps)v1 after the WL was long dead = a 2v2. It doesn't turn into a 2v1 because the warleader died. The RK just turned 75 3 days ago, he quit after 2 fights, then it was a 3v2 for the rest of the morning.
We had spider npcs on us, thats why we didn't fight in the open and returned to LC.... Then immediately once turg and I cleared the npcs and healed up we did go after you in what we though would be a 2v2 (as we saw you waiting for us to clear the npcs) but you had a warg waiting to pounce us.
Stuff happens, not sure why your QQing about it. We died in PVP WAI.
I said I wasn't QQing, i was not being facetious or sarcastic...I was making a statement of what happened so it's not all through the eyes of a Freep.
I Don't care about the warg...whatever he did was on his own, wasn't grouped with us, don't know what he was doing. If he didn't wanna 1v1 oh well, he didn't wanna 1v1, and oh no, he messed up your quest; well, we didn't want to 2v2 and have our quest messed up either, you're right, stuff happens. Yes, I popped MT, but then again I had 2 freeps and the CG on me, you only had me chasing you, with an RK who died and got rezzed lol...no risk, that's the point (again not a QQ, a statement of fact, you have the skill, use it) which I am trying to make and you're helping my cause. LS may have a longer CD, but it lasts twice as long. The warg wasn't with us and we didn't have him waiting to pounce, he just popped outta nowhere, apparently both of us didn't know he was there, nor did we know the RK had logged and we expected a 2v3...yet you assume we "called" for help and had him waiting...?
What does the RK "Just turning 75" have to do with the price of eggs in China? What, he didn't learn how to play his char in 75 levels of playing!? You say it wasn't a 1v2, no, you're right, it started as a 2v2, but then you killed the WL, what then does it become? It's still a 2v2 when only one creep is there? Then I kill the RK and you rez him and it's still, from normal math, 2 against 1 (oh, let's not forget the CG all over me), yes it's a 1v2 but I suppose moors math works well for you, again, this is the mentality I'm talking about...but, you, like most freeps, don't get it. Not a QQ...just facts.
Lastly dont want to blame the creeps because yes the majority of the time the freeps cause the problem but heres a thought maybe just maybe if ALL the creeps left OC and fought from their keep ,had a warg pack on the hill then maybe you'd see freeps getting farmed too.
I wouldnt sit at OC for nothing if i was a creep , id take TR and you know after it flips they'd come to Tr and when was the last time we had a good old Red Tr fight???? Freeps wouldnt have a rez so they'd have to come from GV and hey a nice little gank squad to stop them from coming back would be nice.
Quote from my previous post...
...we try, we take keeps, we map out, we have gone to Lugz, we come and flank if we have the numbers, or from behind to squeeze, yet, after all that, the freeps still stand there staring at OC/Rez because they think that's fun PvP.
I know it's not you Az, I also know some of the Freep perpetrators of this...but again, I said we have tried...as of late, to no avail.
That whole post was qqing. Prefacing it with "not QQing" doesn't change its nature.
Originally Posted by Skydawg
Yes, I popped MT, but then again I had 2 freeps and the CG on me, you only had me chasing you, with an RK who died and got rezzed lol...no risk, that's the point (again not a QQ, a statement of fact, you have the skill, use it) which I am trying to make and you're helping my cause. LS may have a longer CD, but it lasts twice as long.
You QQ'd about me using last stand, then said you weren't qqing... No, you have them exactly reversed.. last stand is on a 15m cd and lasts for 15second.. if you trait it it will last for 25s. Even traited it doesn't last as long as MT.
Originally Posted by Skydawg
What does the RK "Just turning 75" have to do with the price of eggs in China? What, he didn't learn how to play his char in 75 levels of playing!? You say it wasn't a 1v2, no, you're right, it started as a 2v2, but then you killed the WL, what then does it become?
Oh ok.. so what now? should one of us have left when the WL died so it would be a 1v1? No it's a 2v2 from start to finish.
The RK was in purple and green gear. He may know how to play his class but he doesn't have the firepower as a R9 creep. He's no more a 3rd player than a rank 2 creep.
Our morning should never have made the forums... Vent your frustration in ooc or in "ventrillo", get it all out. There is plenty to QQ about and get frustrated over but these line-by-lines never go well on paper. I get all mine out but never anywhere the creeps can see, unless they choose to spy. It all falls apart if you try to put any reason to it.
Prima example of creeps do it to, zerg the entire keep while the WL takes agro and the 10 creeps go after 3 freeps this went on for a good hour plus the sad part about it was a WL i have respect for hanging with the likes of creeps who are part of the problem with creep side(Websturz,Jawws,Blackpipe) THIS is why sometimes i dont feel sorry for creeps. Sadly 99 percent of the wargs on this server are garbage and wouldnt attempt this with a zerg/hips/sprint example A.K.A Jawws.
No intentions on taking the keep so when you get zerged over and over just remember what brought it apon you.
Both sides do it, both sides are extremely sad for doing it
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
Quote from my previous post...
I know it's not you Az, I also know some of the Freep perpetrators of this...but again, I said we have tried...as of late, to no avail.
Im referring to creeps in general doing this not yourself but sadly you'll have guys like perch boy and yellowpipe that wont leave or they give bad advice to the new freeps
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
All is fair in love and war, and all play is acceptable - generally - in the 'moors. So let's keep perspective.
Wargs, burgs and hunters stalking rez circles? More power to 'em! If the creeps/freeps refuse to route them out, that's on them.
Training up through keeps without the intention of taking them? Godspeed! Getting ganked and ganking? Nom-nom!
However, what is so absolutely mind-numbing are the hours long, all day rez/oc camp-fests by freeps. It's a blue moon indeed if creeps do the same - and my groups are forbidden such, on pain of death (okay, not so much "pain of death" as a really inappropriate group tickle coupled with a hard stare down ).
Have some imagination! Group up (or wander the map) and go threaten Lugz if the rest of the map is blue and there isn't any organized creep opposition and the numbers are skewed in freep favor.
Exciting things may happen!
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All is fair in love and war, and all play is acceptable - generally - in the 'moors. So let's keep perspective.
Wargs, burgs and hunters stalking rez circles? More power to 'em! If the creeps/freeps refuse to route them out, that's on them.
Training up through keeps without the intention of taking them? Godspeed! Getting ganked and ganking? Nom-nom!
However, what is so absolutely mind-numbing are the hours long, all day rez/oc camp-fests by freeps. It's a blue moon indeed if creeps do the same - and my groups are forbidden such, on pain of death (okay, not so much "pain of death" as a really inappropriate group tickle coupled with a hard stare down ).
Have some imagination! Group up (or wander the map) and go threaten Lugz if the rest of the map is blue and there isn't any organized creep opposition and the numbers are skewed in freep favor.
Exciting things may happen!
So the 4hrs today of zerging the freeps going in and out of Ta is acceptable and Ok? Naw sorry you cant have your cake and eat it too.
Yes 4hrs with no intentions of taking just farming the difference is freeps will keep going back the majority of creeps would map out.
Sorry somedays i feel sorry for the creeps but today i dont, especial for all the new wargies who lack skill to play any other class
Oh wander the map i do but in all honesty the MAJORITY of creeps dont do that without a group or a warg pack and thats fact not fiction and then if anything they call you out and run in the direction of the creeps coming to help them and yes once again fact.
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“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
So the 4hrs today of zerging the freeps going in and out of Ta is acceptable and Ok? Naw sorry you cant have your cake and eat it too.
Oh, but I can...
I never qualified that one faction may train up through keeps without the intention of taking them and another may not. It does however sound like a refreshing break for yesterday's monotony, if only freeps would have done the same at lugz.
And, I would also add that if these same creeps went to threaten TR (I assume it's blue), I'd applaud them all the same.
No, you've not caught me out at all.
Oh wander the map i do but in all honesty the MAJORITY of creeps dont do that without a group or a warg pack and thats fact not fiction and then if anything they call you out and run in the direction of the creeps coming to help them and yes once again fact.
Z.O.M.G!
Creeps are just so gawd awful! I'm ever so thankful freeps are made of sugar and spice and have never committed any of the aforementioned sins.
I never qualified that one faction may train up through keeps without the intention of taking them and another may not. It does however sound like a refreshing break for yesterday's monotony, if only freeps would have done the same at lugz.
And, I would also add that if these same creeps went to threaten TR (I assume it's blue), I'd applaud them all the same.
No, you've not caught me out at all.
Z.O.M.G!
Creeps are just so gawd awful! I'm ever so thankful freeps are made of sugar and spice and have never committed any of the aforementioned sins.
Freeps have done it my point is simple that creeps cant complain about the none stop OC camping if they infacted do the same.
I dont believe in either, hence the rez diving to see how far i can get in.
Truth be told im a pvper at heart and i actually blame the freeps,new one alot for most of the bad pvp but i also blame the tunnel vision creeps for some of it.
Im not perfect nor will i ever be but alot of the junk i stay away from unless its a all out war :P
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
Freeps have done it my point is simple that creeps cant complain about the none stop OC camping if they infacted do the same.
I dont believe in either, hence the rez diving to see how far i can get in.
Truth be told im a pvper at heart and i actually blame the freeps,new one alot for most of the bad pvp but i also blame the tunnel vision creeps for some of it.
Im not perfect nor will i ever be but alot of the junk i stay away from unless its a all out war :P
Quite frankly I blame you.
I was out for around 1.5 hrs each day the past 4 days. If Azalis is around the main freep group they leave NPCs to zerg solo creeps or small group creeps. If you are not around they sit in a keep afraid of dying.
It seems like people on Meneldor are afraid of dying. I killed a R7 RK while two minstrels and a guardian just rode away. Mind you I was completely solo, they could have easily blown me up.
I would like to give this server another chance but I can't stand the freeps here long enough to try.
I was out for around 1.5 hrs each day the past 4 days. If Azalis is around the main freep group they leave NPCs to zerg solo creeps or small group creeps. If you are not around they sit in a keep afraid of dying.
It seems like people on Meneldor are afraid of dying. I killed a R7 RK while two minstrels and a guardian just rode away. Mind you I was completely solo, they could have easily blown me up.
I would like to give this server another chance but I can't stand the freeps here long enough to try.
WOW a entire 1.5 hours a day thats simply amazing
You know nothing about this server since you left on how i do things and such im far from afraid of dying with my 7k deaths as a matter of fact i was telling Ames i died 100 times in two day sooo yeah keep think what your thinking.
Ames and myself roam the map day after day and yeah sometimes we end up by the zerg because we cant find anyone, thats when we run for the one shots.
Besides that there are many other who do the same and look for fight or small groups to fight like Gil/Hobo and others
BTW we cant stand you either so best to stay away
You remind me of half the newblet who left and come back for 5 mins and try to tell us oh i see nothings changed blah blah and blah
Stay where you are we are sooooooo much better off now that you left.
KK bye and thanks
Oh one last thing that thing you said about freeps looking for solo creeps or small groups to zerg well thats ALL your DI did when you guys were here so i guess its different when the shoes on the other foot.
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Last edited by LEGENDofALL; Apr 27 2012 at 05:39 PM.
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
You know nothing about this server since you left on how i do things and such im far from afraid of dying with my 7k deaths as a matter of fact i was telling Ames i died 100 times in two day sooo yeah keep think what your thinking.
Ames and myself roam the map day after day and yeah sometimes we end up by the zerg because we cant find anyone, thats when we run for the one shots.
Besides that there are many other who do the same and look for fight or small groups to fight like Gil/Hobo and others
BTW we cant stand you either so best to stay away
You remind me of half the newblet who left and come back for 5 mins and try to tell us oh i see nothings changed blah blah and blah
Stay where you are we are sooooooo much better off now that you left.
KK bye and thanks
Oh one last thing that thing you said about freeps looking for solo creeps or small groups to zerg well thats ALL your DI did when you guys were here so i guess its different when the shoes on the other foot.
Yes but im also correcting you on the FREEPS comment which there is a ton that actually do what i do, sadly alot of them are only out there for gear period.
BTW if you take everything i say seriously then like others you need to get a sense of humor
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
Yes but im also correcting you on the FREEPS comment which there is a ton that actually do what i do, sadly alot of them are only out there for gear period.
BTW if you take everything i say seriously then like others you need to get a sense of humor
Many creeps have a sense of humor (some don't, like Galthone), thats why we don't get mad when you say 99% of wargs are garbage and we don't go anywhere without our CD's up.....
Creeps:Lugezer r10, Lezgern r6, Mozag r5, other creeps in the r4ish area i dont care about
Freeps:Athelious 85
So much frustration on this server... There is a clever saying for a situation such as this, but alas it cannot be said due to over zealous forum mods .
Akurnakh: R6 Warg
The incredible Bhongos!: R4 Reaver
Remember, you're unique... just like everyone else.
So much frustration on this server... There is a clever saying for a situation such as this, but alas it cannot be said due to over zealous forum mods .
hmmmmm what is that saying LOL
“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”
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