Thread: 1 handed + shield

Imo it's kinda pointless arguing, as both extra healing with S&B and extra dps with 2h when in HoH have such negligible effect that it becomes personal preference what to use.

Personally I'm never using 1h, too lazy to bother with grinding decent LI for that. But I have some funny pirate shield somewhere in vault

@Nouhau
Is survivability gained from shield stats really that meaningful compared to 100dps threat and 2% extra threat on a-attacks?

Originally Posted by Fuin

@Nouhau
Is survivability gained from shield stats really that meaningful compared to 100dps threat and 2% extra threat on a-attacks?

Holding a single target has never been tough as a captain. But if you were losing threat I'm sure the extra dps would be useful.

But, it's pretty unlikely you'll be doing an extra 100 dps. You do even less damage tanking than in HoH.

as for aoe dps there's no way you do 100 more with a 2h, just because our aoe dps sucks.

Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Have to get this out of the way:
Knee-jerk reaction: Stop skimming and read.

Now for the real answer:
DPS for a captain scales heavily dependent upon how many LtC (aka red) traits you have slotted. If you are a full capstone based HoH build, you have at most 2 red traits, so the DPS goes from around 1.1k of a 5 LtC Capstone build to about 400-500 DPS - roughly one fourth of the DPS a true DPS class can put out. The DPS is so weak in that traiting that keeping it in mind is completely pointless.

Since a heavy red build can pick up a couple of HoH traits and get near HoH capstone healing (see: http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...ng-Comparisons for more info), I strongly believe that HoH is not putting out as much healing as it should - especially when you take into account the disconnect between what the HoH Capstone suggests the connection between HoH and Song Brother should be, and what is actually observed in game where Shield Brother is the better healing Brother skill.

As far as which traitline is best: While my personal favorite traitline is LtC, it reall depends on what you are doing - and despite what you think, I will change traits and/or gear to be more optimal for the task at hand. Captains are the putty that makes the group work, and anyone that forgets that on a captain is a noob.

I did "read". You are nothing but a huge contradiction lol

First you say DPS on Captain is pathetic. Now suddenly it's only way to play for large content.... You say the 10% increase to healing output from the capstone trait is almost worthless for HoH Captains, yet you seem to think the buffs to your healing from wearing a shield (which is less) is for some strange reason worth giving up a lot of damage for... You think linking Last Stand to shield-brother would make captain's OP, yet think buffing our heralds to be on par with skirmish soliders wouldn't. You just make no sense to me.

Bottom line is DPS matters, on any style of captain. Just because a Captain traits into HoH line doens't mean DPS ceases to be important. That's just a silly thing to say.

Far as your Song Brother comments go - I already agreed with you that Shield Brother is the better healing-tool. I simply stressed that Song Brother still has it's uses, and adding Song Brother into the mix did nothing but buff Hands of Healing Captains - as it gives us an excellent emergency tool to regain power with. So basically you make this into a much bigger deal than it is.

I also take umbrage with your comments that HoH Captains have weak and "pointless" dps. It's not. I frenquenly crit for well into the 2k range - and have no problem making things die. It's not on par with a real DPS Class of course (nor should it be) but it's still effective and deffinitely useful and NOT "pointless" as you foolishly claim.

Originally Posted by Nouhau

I've done some comparisons on LtC and HoH/LoM dps differences and they are huge.


Difference in dps is very small with these two and only reason I would pick a 2H with these builds would be smaller power consumption if that becomes an issue.

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The damage benefit of using a 2-hander is very significant if you factor in the amount of damage you gain from critical hits. That's why 2 handers are so much better - their crits hit much harder. And considering how important critical rating is for HoH Captains in general, it's a no brainer frankly.

The only time I'd ever use a shield is if I found myself in a situation where I wasn't meleeing - which is so rare for me it's just not worth the trouble to carry around.

Originally Posted by Jeremi

The damage benefit of using a 2-hander is very significant if you factor in the amount of damage you gain from critical hits. That's why 2 handers are so much better - their crits hit much harder. And considering how important critical rating is for HoH Captains in general, it's a no brainer frankly.

No it isn't, really - and here's why...

Originally Posted by Jeremi

The only time I'd ever use a shield is if I found myself in a situation where I wasn't meleeing - which is so rare for me it's just not worth the trouble to carry around.

When you are HoH Capstone mode, you've slotted at most 2 LtC traits, so your DPS is going to be around half of what a full LtC build is. When the DPS is so insubstantial, claiming to go HoH and maximize DPS is like a mini claiming they are building to hit really hard with their weapon - it just doesn't make sense.

So the argument with the shield becomes more of one where you acknowledge the pathetic DPS that is an attribute of HoH captains, and realize that by trading a bit more DPS, you get far better control over the passive stats by using a shield, than using a 2H weapon.

Whether or not the tradeoff is worth it is up to you, but it is a viable way to heal, and also a viable way to tank, so captains shouldn't feel bad about going S&B instead of 2H.

Originally Posted by Almagnus1

No it isn't, really - and here's why...



When you are HoH Capstone mode, you've slotted at most 2 LtC traits, so your DPS is going to be around half of what a full LtC build is. When the DPS is so insubstantial, claiming to go HoH and maximize DPS is like a mini claiming they are building to hit really hard with their weapon - it just doesn't make sense.

So the argument with the shield becomes more of one where you acknowledge the pathetic DPS that is an attribute of HoH captains, and realize that by trading a bit more DPS, you get far better control over the passive stats by using a shield, than using a 2H weapon.

Whether or not the tradeoff is worth it is up to you, but it is a viable way to heal, and also a viable way to tank, so captains shouldn't feel bad about going S&B instead of 2H.

This isnt' about "maximizing your dps". You really need to get out of this obsession you have with min/maxing everything. That's probably one reason you are so disatisifed with playing this class. You are making a silly argument that is akin to saying just because I'm not a tank I shouldn't care about my morale. It's a silly point of view. You can care about something without being obsessed with it and trying to maximize it to it's furthest potential.

And rather you admit it or not, using a 1-hander over a 2-hander does gimp your DPS in a big way. And just because you are a Hands of the Healing Captain doesn't mean you should neglect totally your DPS and concentrate on nothing but healing. If you play like that, you are wasting a lot of your Captain's potential.

As I said in that other post, I frequently hit over 2k with my crits. In raids I can break 3k. That isn't "insubstantial" DPS. If I could put a buff on a DPS that frequently let them do an extra 3k damage everyone would be freaking out about how awesome it was... and they deffinitely woudn't be calling it pathetic and unsubstantial. Well, I am that buff...

Also I never said it wasn't "viable" or that captains should "feel bad" about using a shield. In fact, I specifically pointed out you can play like you want. Just don't call my DPS as a HoH Captain unimportant, pathetic, unsubstantial... or w/e other negative insults you have about it - because it's not and you know not of what you speak. HoH Captain's can provide very meaningful DPS that does make a difference without having hardly any negative impact at all on their healing capacity. And to ignore that advantage is a waste if you ask me.

Originally Posted by Jeremi

This isnt' about "maximizing your dps". You really need to get out of this obsession you have with min/maxing everything. That's probably one reason you are so disatisifed with playing this class. You are making a silly argument that is akin to saying just because I'm not a tank I shouldn't care about my morale. It's a silly point of view. You can care about something without being obsessed with it and trying to maximize it to it's furthest potential.

On the contrary, it helps me to be the most effective in a given situation because I know how to sacrifice aspects of the class that are un-needed for an encounter, and know how to adjust to better tune for what the group needs.

I don't play as one-dimensionally as you are making it out to be.

Originally Posted by Jeremi

And rather you admit it or not, using a 1-hander over a 2-hander does gimp your DPS in a big way. And just because you are a Hands of the Healing Captain doesn't mean you should neglect totally your DPS and concentrate on nothing but healing. If you play like that, you are wasting a lot of your Captain's potential.

And when a DPSer does at least 2k DPS, how gives a rip about whether or not the captain is doing 400 or 500 DPS, the DPS amount is so insignificant comparatively that the raids (and groups in general) aren't going to notice it. Stop splitting hairs over stuff that does not matter.

Originally Posted by Jeremi

As I said in that other post, I frequently hit over 2k with my crits. In raids I can break 3k. That isn't "insubstantial" DPS. If I could put a buff on a DPS that frequently let them do an extra 3k damage everyone would be freaking out about how awesome it was... and they deffinitely woudn't be calling it pathetic and unsubstantial. Well, I am that buff...

Dude... stop stroking your ePeen... it's making a mess....

Originally Posted by Jeremi

Just don't call my DPS as a HoH Captain unimportant, pathetic, unsubstantial...

I'm calling a spade a spade.... if you aren't thick skinned enough to take it, that's your problem.

Originally Posted by Almagnus1

On the contrary, it helps me to be the most effective in a given situation because I know how to sacrifice aspects of the class that are un-needed for an encounter, and know how to adjust to better tune for what the group needs.

I don't play as one-dimensionally as you are making it out to be.



And when a DPSer does at least 2k DPS, how gives a rip about whether or not the captain is doing 400 or 500 DPS, the DPS amount is so insignificant comparatively that the raids (and groups in general) aren't going to notice it. Stop splitting hairs over stuff that does not matter.



Dude... stop stroking your ePeen... it's making a mess....



I'm calling a spade a spade.... if you aren't thick skinned enough to take it, that's your problem.

Ok I skimmed through this mess and I'll respond generally I guess.

First, I'm not "stroking" anything. I am defending HoH Captain's DPS, because i'm sick of you acting like it sucks and is meaningless. It doesn't and it isn't. And yes, anyone who thinks DPS doesn't matter and isn't important when you play as a HoH Captain has a very one-demensional mind.

Originally Posted by Jeremi

First, I'm not "stroking" anything. I am defending HoH Captain's DPS, because i'm sick of you acting like it sucks and is meaningless. It doesn't and it isn't. And yes, anyone who thinks DPS doesn't matter and isn't important when you play as a HoH Captain has a very one-demensional mind.

Ok, then how much DPS is a significant amount, when compared against DPSers?

Why do people take HoH captains in a group over LtC or LoM captains? I'll give ya a hint, it ain't the DPS.

Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Ok, then how much DPS is a significant amount, when compared against DPSers?

Why do people take HoH captains in a group over LtC or LoM captains? I'll give ya a hint, it ain't the DPS.

DPS is a part of it...

I would never group with a HoH Captain who didnt' do any damage. He would be gimping the group horribly.

What makes Captains good is that they support the group on many different levels. If all a group wanted was someone to heal why on earth choose a Captain?. You'd be a lot better off just grabbing another healer if that is the case...

I have had to tell you this in the past, but I guess it bears repeating. Captains are a SUPPORT class. Just because you trait into HoH doens't mean your damage ceases to be of use and all that matters is your healing. That's just not how this class is designed, and trying to play this class like a main-role class who neglects every aspect but a single one is going to hurt your performance.

Originally Posted by Jeremi

DPS is a part of it...

I would never group with a HoH Captain who didnt' do any damage. He would be gimping the group horribly.

What makes Captains good is that they support the group on many different levels. If all a group wanted was someone to heal why on earth choose a Captain?. You'd be a lot better off just grabbing another healer if that is the case...

I have had to tell you this in the past, but I guess it bears repeating. Captains are a SUPPORT class. Just because you trait into HoH doens't mean your damage ceases to be of use and all that matters is your healing. That's just not how this class is designed, and trying to play this class like a main-role class who neglects every aspect but a single one is going to hurt your performance.

Odd.... you assume that insignificant means non-existant...

And really, how can you be an effective captain healer if you aren't in melee range, especially if you're firing off skills like DB and PA to gamble for more Rally Cries?

Oh glorious HoH captain, can you enlighten us with what your uber healing and DPS skill rotation looks like?

Does it involve Inspire Spamming, a skill rotation similar to <skill><skill>WoC, throwing out BS=>DB/PA to gamble for Rally Cries? Are you spamming VS to keep the group morale as high as possible, because captain healing needs to have as many HoTs running as much of the time as possible? (This is done because we don't have very good direct healing when compared to minis and RKs).

Does it involve you using IHW w/o LS to help reduce group damage, and delaying LS until you know you absolutely need it?

What about Brother Skills? Are you running Blade most of the time to generate more group DPS? Or how about switching to Shield when you know you need to increase the healing done for the group? Are you keeping SoW up all the time? What about keeping To Arms up as often as you can because you know that's a battle changer?

Jeremi, stop assuming I'm a captain noob. I probably have more time played on my captain than you do, and I've probably killed more epic stuff ON LEVEL than you could ever dream about. Let's not even get into all the fun lessons I've learned about life in the 'Moors on a captain....

Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Odd.... you assume that insignificant means non-existant...

And really, how can you be an effective captain healer if you aren't in melee range, especially if you're firing off skills like DB and PA to gamble for more Rally Cries?

Oh glorious HoH captain, can you enlighten us with what your uber healing and DPS skill rotation looks like?

Does it involve Inspire Spamming, a skill rotation similar to <skill><skill>WoC, throwing out BS=>DB/PA to gamble for Rally Cries? Are you spamming VS to keep the group morale as high as possible, because captain healing needs to have as many HoTs running as much of the time as possible? (This is done because we don't have very good direct healing when compared to minis and RKs).

Does it involve you using IHW w/o LS to help reduce group damage, and delaying LS until you know you absolutely need it?

What about Brother Skills? Are you running Blade most of the time to generate more group DPS? Or how about switching to Shield when you know you need to increase the healing done for the group? Are you keeping SoW up all the time? What about keeping To Arms up as often as you can because you know that's a battle changer?

Jeremi, stop assuming I'm a captain noob. I probably have more time played on my captain than you do, and I've probably killed more epic stuff ON LEVEL than you could ever dream about. Let's not even get into all the fun lessons I've learned about life in the 'Moors on a captain....

I didn't "assume" anything. I based my opinions off your comments lol

Also I never called you a "noob".... but if you don't want people to assume things like that then don't say silly things like our DPS doesn't matter.

And I never said I was "uber". Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm calling myself an incredible player. But it is funny how you continuously accuse of me "bragging" when you just wrote an entire paragraph of you gloating about yourself lol Sorta like how you lecture me for so-called "insulting you" right after a post where you did the very exact same to me.

I am humored however you feel the need to puff yourself up in front of me. But don't even bother trying to impress me with all of your "epic stuff" you have done. It jsut makes me wanna /yawn lol

Originally Posted by Jeremi

I didn't "assume" anything. I based my opinions off your comments lol

Also I never called you a "noob".... but if you don't want people to assume things like that then don't say silly things like our DPS doesn't matter.

And I never said I was "uber". Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm calling myself an incredible player. But it is funny how you continuously accuse of me "bragging" when you just wrote an entire paragraph of you gloating about yourself lol Sorta like how you lecture me for so-called "insulting you" right after a post where you did the very exact same to me.

I am humored however you feel the need to puff yourself up in front of me. But don't even bother trying to impress me with all of your "epic stuff" you have done. It jsut makes me wanna /yawn lol

And yet.... you still are trying to argue that shield doesn't provide a better stat benefit than the random stats built into 2H weapons - which is the main point about going S&B for HoH.

Originally Posted by Almagnus1

And yet.... you still are trying to argue that shield doesn't provide a better stat benefit than the random stats built into 2H weapons - which is the main point about going S&B for HoH.

Almagnus, do you even read what I type? I never said anything about which has better "random stats"...

I said that as a HoH Captain the benefit a shield will give to your heals just isn't worth the amount of damage you give up. 2-handers crit a lot harder than 1-handers do, and the amount of damage you'll end up losing just isn't worth the meager increases a shield will give to your heals.

That is what I argued.

Originally Posted by Jeremi

Almagnus, do you even read what I type? I never said anything about which has better "random stats"...

I said that as a HoH Captain the benefit a shield will give to your heals just isn't worth the amount of damage you give up. 2-handers crit a lot harder than 1-handers do, and the amount of damage you'll end up losing just isn't worth the meager increases a shield will give to your heals.

That is what I argued.

And my argument is that the amount of DPS a HoH captain produces in a group setting is insignificant, so the DPS argument is effectively a red-herring.

In 3 mans, you have a DPSer and a tank that will compensate for your lack of DPS, in 6 mans, there's 3 other people dedicated to DPSing, each will have at least 4x the amount of DPS you produce as a HoH captain.

To this date I've seen Jeremi defend that hoarding fate on a cappy is good due to in-combat morale regen. Now he is defending HoH cappys dps with 2-hander. I can't wait whats coming next, but what I already know that I never want to be in a raid with a cappy like him. He is not even interested in using the full potential of a cappy due to some pretty bad decisions in gearing and playstyle.

With that S&B as HoH cappy you get a bit better stats, it's not why you should forget the 2-hander. It's skill execution times..with 1-hander they fire a lot faster AND I mean A LOT which results in your rotations to be a lot quicker which gives you more effective healing due to skills going on cd faster every time and more time for throwing those WoC's on groupies. So you give up 100dps for more healing and healing is what HoH cappy is about 100%. It's 0% about dps, but ofc you still do some nevertheless. Our gameplay is meant so. It's the same to defend LoM captains dps, IT IS NOT ABOUT DPS.

You've said many that you are not interested in maximizing your output, but it's kinda what these discussions are all about here in these forums. This statement from you in itself makes all you are saying a load of nonsense and irrelevant to these discussions. It would be better to keep them to yourself before you actually understand that this game is about maximizing your own performance!

I'm not offending or anything, but I really think this is the truth. You should always try to maximize your output no matter what you play, because it's how this game works. If someone isn't carrying his own weight someone else has to carry more than this to patch it up. You are the one that doesn't carry his weight.

Originally Posted by Almagnus1

And my argument is that the amount of DPS a HoH captain produces in a group setting is insignificant, so the DPS argument is effectively a red-herring.

In 3 mans, you have a DPSer and a tank that will compensate for your lack of DPS, in 6 mans, there's 3 other people dedicated to DPSing, each will have at least 4x the amount of DPS you produce as a HoH captain.

And you are wrong. It is significant.

Originally Posted by Nouhau

To this date I've seen Jeremi defend that hoarding fate on a cappy is good due to in-combat morale regen. Now he is defending HoH cappys dps with 2-hander. I can't wait whats coming next, but what I already know that I never want to be in a raid with a cappy like him. He is not even interested in using the full potential of a cappy due to some pretty bad decisions in gearing and playstyle.

With that S&B as HoH cappy you get a bit better stats, it's not why you should forget the 2-hander. It's skill execution times..with 1-hander they fire a lot faster AND I mean A LOT which results in your rotations to be a lot quicker which gives you more effective healing due to skills going on cd faster every time and more time for throwing those WoC's on groupies. So you give up 100dps for more healing and healing is what HoH cappy is about 100%. It's 0% about dps, but ofc you still do some nevertheless. Our gameplay is meant so. It's the same to defend LoM captains dps, IT IS NOT ABOUT DPS.

You've said many that you are not interested in maximizing your output, but it's kinda what these discussions are all about here in these forums. This statement from you in itself makes all you are saying a load of nonsense and irrelevant to these discussions. It would be better to keep them to yourself before you actually understand that this game is about maximizing your own performance!

I'm not offending or anything, but I really think this is the truth. You should always try to maximize your output no matter what you play, because it's how this game works. If someone isn't carrying his own weight someone else has to carry more than this to patch it up. You are the one that doesn't carry his weight.

Nohou.... Most of this stuff you ragged on me about is half-truths and comments taken out of context. So not even going to bother with it, because I don't wanna get side-tracked on some long boring debate about what I actually said vs what you are misrepresenting I said.

Just let me say it truly breaks my heart you don't wanna raid with me. Really, I'm heartbroken. How will I ever surivive.

And playing a captain and giving up tons of dps just so you can increase your healing by a few percents is stupid in my opinion. That's not "maximizing" anything. It's throwing away damage for no good reason. And yes, that was EXACTLY the issue and the discussion. But by all means, wear a shield and spam your 3% more powerful heals and think you are "maximized" if you want. LIke I told your buddy already, w/e floats your boat.

Just stop calling my damage meaningless, or insigifnicant. Its' not. HoH Captains are very capable of putting out significant DPS that can be of benefit to any group.

Originally Posted by Jeremi

And you are wrong. It is significant.

So, prove that it is, or your point is invalid.

Originally Posted by Jeremi

Nohou.... Most of this stuff you ragged on me about is half-truths and comments taken out of context. So not even going to bother with it, because I don't wanna get side-tracked on some long boring debate about what I actually said vs what you are misrepresenting I said.

Just let me say it truly breaks my heart you don't wanna raid with me. Really, I'm heartbroken. How will I ever surivive.

And playing a captain and giving up tons of dps just so you can increase your healing by a few percents is stupid in my opinion. That's not "maximizing" anything. It's throwing away damage for no good reason. And yes, that was EXACTLY the issue and the discussion. But by all means, wear a shield and spam your 3% more powerful heals and think you are "maximized" if you want. LIke I told your buddy already, w/e floats your boat.

Just stop calling my damage meaningless, or insigifnicant. Its' not. HoH Captains are very capable of putting out significant DPS that can be of benefit to any group.

Jeremi, show Nouhou the respect due to a fellow captain colleague and answer his posts with REAL answers instead of this insulting, condescending BS.

Also, quantify this "tons of DPS" and what exactly you mean by significant.

He still doesn't understand that this "ton of dps" is actually 100dps at the cost of more healing..Bigger numbers mean everything even if they come once a minute!! I've stated on another post that writing anything to this one goes to deff ears and he only answers with flaming somehow thinking he's clever, but he's far from it. Once again, I rest my case, cure for this one is nowhere to be found.

Either way...

Think I'm gonna start running HoH as S&B....

Captain healing needs all the help it can get right now XD

Originally Posted by Almagnus1

So, prove that it is, or your point is invalid.




Jeremi, show Nouhou the respect due to a fellow captain colleague and answer his posts with REAL answers instead of this insulting, condescending BS.

Also, quantify this "tons of DPS" and what exactly you mean by significant.

lol...he was the one being condescending. So lecture him instead of me. Saying "he woudn't raid with me" or w/e other nonsense he was spouting, like I should care if he wants to raid with me or not. And you accusing me of being "condescending" is funny. Pot calling the kettle black I'd say.

And I already proved it to you. 3k crits is significant, and your silly little charts don't change that. If you were to take the DPS I do on my HoH Captain and add it to one of the other DPS in the group that DPS would find it very "significant" trust me, and would be noticing it.

I guess what I'm basically trying to say is just because you may do very poor or insignificant damage as a HoH Captain, doesn't mean the rest of us do.

Originally Posted by Nouhau

He still doesn't understand that this "ton of dps" is actually 100dps at the cost of more healing..Bigger numbers mean everything even if they come once a minute!! I've stated on another post that writing anything to this one goes to deff ears and he only answers with flaming somehow thinking he's clever, but he's far from it. Once again, I rest my case, cure for this one is nowhere to be found.

Nohhau, you were the one "flaming" me. You, like your buddy almagnus, you can dish it out - but can't take it. If you don't wanna be insulted, then don't insult people to begin with. Otherwise, stop complaining because people insult you back when you insult them.

And trust me, I've compared a one-hander to a 2-hander in terms of DPS. It's a lot, and makes a big difference - and that's exactly why you even admit your one-hander is mostly just for "decoration".

Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Either way...

Think I'm gonna start running HoH as S&B....

Captain healing needs all the help it can get right now XD

Maybe your Captain healing needs all the help it can get

Mine is just fine, and Captain healing has never been better. Just because you can't heal a non-tank through a tier2 Darg doesn't mean our healing "needs all the help it can get". You just have ridiculous standards.

When a support class can heal a loremaster tank through 3 man instances, I'd say our healing is more than adequate - and it isn't even close to being as bad as you act. Nor is our DPS for that matter. Frankly, you sell this class short - and in a huge way - and it seems you will never be happy unless they turn this class into God or something that can dps, heal, tank, interrupt... basically do everything as good as anyone else out there.. oh, and with a skirmish soldier as their pet on the side.

Captains are never going to be the end-all be-all class you think it should be. Nor should it.

Originally Posted by Jeremi

And I already proved it to you. 3k crits is significant, and your silly little charts don't change that. If you were to take the DPS I do on my HoH Captain and add it to one of the other DPS in the group that DPS would find it very "significant" trust me, and would be noticing it.

I've had a 3k crit with a one hander, and deved for 7k while HoH before - so your numbers are meaningless without the frequency at which point they occur.

Big numbers without frequency are like giving directions in distances without telling people how to turn.

Originally Posted by Jeremi

Maybe your Captain healing needs all the help it can get

No, it doesn't.

But I'm starting to see that going S&B is likely to give me another boost in healing power - in addition to a boost in survivability (thanks to the block mechanic + 2k might).

Originally Posted by Jeremi

When a support class can heal a loremaster tank through 3 man instances, I'd say our healing is more than adequate - and it isn't even close to being as bad as you act. Nor is our DPS for that matter. Frankly, you sell this class short - and in a huge way - and it seems you will never be happy unless they turn this class into God or something that can dps, heal, tank, interrupt... basically do everything as good as anyone else out there.. oh, and with a skirmish soldier as their pet on the side.

Captains are never going to be the end-all be-all class you think it should be. Nor should it.

Jeremi - take your ego and go home.

I have been main-healing 3 mans since Mirkwood, and this assumption that I somehow don't know what I'm doing (which is what you're saying when you read between the lines) is BS. You have insulted my honor enough times as is... Keep pushing and I'll be in touch with your kin officers.

Your comments also reflect poorly upon the quality of captain in "Forgotten Heroes" on Nimrodel - and I wonder just how toxic you've been to the other captains in that kin.

And to the observers, bear in mind that Jeremi is a captain that has more fate than vitality - a clear sign that he does not understand the class mechanics (see: http://my.lotro.com/home/character/1...1412820946588/).

Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Either way...

Think I'm gonna start running HoH as S&B....

Captain healing needs all the help it can get right now XD

This sounds interesting. Having not spent much on my 1-handers, I'm looking forward to seeing what sort of results you have.

Has anyone actually made a 1-h and parsed dps and healing with it in various trait builds?

Originally Posted by Almagnus1

I've had a 3k crit with a one hander, and deved for 7k while HoH before - so your numbers are meaningless without the frequency at which point they occur.

Big numbers without frequency are like giving directions in distances without telling people how to turn.



No, it doesn't.

But I'm starting to see that going S&B is likely to give me another boost in healing power - in addition to a boost in survivability (thanks to the block mechanic + 2k might).



Jeremi - take your ego and go home.

I have been main-healing 3 mans since Mirkwood, and this assumption that I somehow don't know what I'm doing (which is what you're saying when you read between the lines) is BS. You have insulted my honor enough times as is... Keep pushing and I'll be in touch with your kin officers.

Your comments also reflect poorly upon the quality of captain in "Forgotten Heroes" on Nimrodel - and I wonder just how toxic you've been to the other captains in that kin.

And to the observers, bear in mind that Jeremi is a captain that has more fate than vitality - a clear sign that he does not understand the class mechanics (see: http://my.lotro.com/home/character/1...1412820946588/).

You are confusing defending Captain Healing with ego Almagnus. There is a big difference.

Nothing I've said is BS. Captains are just fine, and our healing doens't need a lot of help. And if you think it does - you are doing something wrong or have unrealistic standards - which is exactly what I said. That isn't "ego" "BS" or anything else. It's just the plain truth of it.

And yes, the guy who lectures me about "insulting" people is now going to start insulting my gear again. So funny lol And now you are threatening to talk to my Kin Officers? LMAO This jsut keeps getting better and better. And did you really just accuse me of "insulting your honor"? One of us deffinitely has "ego issues" Almagnus. This post makes that very evident...

And just because I like different stats than you doens't mean I don't understand my class mechanics. ONe day you are really going to have to get that through your head.

Also, don't pick fights with people on forums unless you can handle it in return. Because stirring up a fight with someone then when they fight back you start crying about your so-called "honor being insulted" and threatening to tattletale on them to their Kin Officers makes you look... well, I'll be nice and let you fill in the blanks on this one.

Oh my god y'all, put each other on your respective ignore list

Originally Posted by Omen_Kaizer

Oh my god y'all, put each other on your respective ignore list

lol...

Well I would if I could have his word that he won't talk about me or respond to my posts in the future. Wonder if I could get him to swear to that "on his honor"

Originally Posted by dietlbomb

This sounds interesting. Having not spent much on my 1-handers, I'm looking forward to seeing what sort of results you have.

Has anyone actually made a 1-h and parsed dps and healing with it in various trait builds?

As it stands now, I'm going to need to make it (and the relics) before I can start testing.

Legacies that come to mind:
To Arms
Telling Mark
-Melee Power Skills
-Vocal Power Skills
PA Targets
DB Crit/Might

Relics/Title: The three True relics + Might Crafted + Might Title

Not sure on the shield... Have the one from Trouble in Tuck raid skirm (I think), so probably go with that one - probably better ones elsewhere.

Given my general lack of play time atm, you might see results faster if someone else picks up the torch and runs with it.

Originally Posted by Omen_Kaizer

Oh my god y'all, put each other on your respective ignore list

Exactly. If more do this, I'll see even less of the ignored individual. It seems to me that the wisdom of the computer in War Games applies very much to these discussions:

A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

Originally Posted by Omen_Kaizer

Oh my god y'all, put each other on your respective ignore list

But... but... He started!

**pouts**

Or better put:

Q: What happens when a stubborn captain and a troll collide?
A: The entire board ingores both of them.

Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Either way...

Think I'm gonna start running HoH as S&B....

Captain healing needs all the help it can get right now XD

This sounds interesting. Having not spent much on my 1-handers, I'm looking forward to seeing what sort of results you have.

Has anyone actually made a 1-h and parsed dps and healing with it in various trait builds?

Originally Posted by dietlbomb

This sounds interesting. Having not spent much on my 1-handers, I'm looking forward to seeing what sort of results you have.

Has anyone actually made a 1-h and parsed dps and healing with it in various trait builds?

As it stands now, I'm going to need to make it (and the relics) before I can start testing.

Legacies that come to mind:
To Arms
-Melee Power Skills
-Vocal Power Skills
PA Targets
PA Crit/Might
DB Crit/Vitality(?) - Maybe another minor that's helpful to healing? (nothing's coming to mind atm >.<)

5 Majors is a rough thing to attempt.... also not sure how useful Telling Mark is going to be with a HoH weapon.... you'd want to use revealing more than telling because of the healing revealing provides.

Relics/Title: The three T6 True relics + uber T7 Might Crafted + Might Title (maybe Galtrev Tact Mast title instead)

Not sure on the shield... Have the one from Trouble in Tuck raid skirm (I think), so probably go with that one - probably better ones elsewhere.

Given my general lack of play time atm, you might see results faster if someone else picks up the torch and runs with it.

Originally Posted by DelgonTheWise

Exactly. If more do this, I'll see even less of the ignored individual. It seems to me that the wisdom of the computer in War Games applies very much to these discussions:

A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

Delgon, then take your own advice and "not play".

Nothing is more annoying than someone who claims to have put someone on ignore, then continuously goes around talking about them afterwards. You are the one trying to pick a fight here, not me.

Just put me from your mind and stop commenting about me. Problem solved. There is no no need to add your snide little remarks about me into threads and then pretend you are somehow above it all.

Odd... the ignore list still reserves posts of the ignored... This is going to be amusing as random threads will keep getting bumped XD

Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Odd... the ignore list still reserves posts of the ignored... This is going to be amusing as random threads will keep getting bumped XD

Not as amusing as you accusing me of "insulting your honor" and threatening to tattletale on me to my kinship lol...

Last quip you're gonna get from me...

Originally Posted by Jeremi

Not as amusing as you accusing me of "insulting your honor" and threatening to tattletale on me to my kinship lol...

I don't make idle threats.

Have a nice day =)

Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Last quip you're gonna get from me...



I don't make idle threats.

Have a nice day =)

I sure hope not.

I would pay real money to see what my Kin Leader would say to you if you bad mouthed me to him lol That would be epic.

TheRealBear is my kinleader Almagnus. By all means have a chat with him about me. Admittably he doens't play much lately because his wife had a kid - but I sure do hope you can get ahold of him. I would so much love to watch him react to you lol

So please, I welcome your threats. In fact, would you like the names of some of my other kin members? I'll give you the whole list if you like so you can talk to every single one of them. In fact... why don't you just come on over to Nimrodel and I'll introduce you to all of them. lmao

To get his thead back on track, has anyone tried S&B with HoH lately?