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    Re: Play Dead (Update 7 Warg Racial)

    Anyone else notice a bug when using Pack Hunters (Flag), then turn on Shadow stance and the Shadow Pack does not work?
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    Re: Play Dead (Update 7 Warg Racial)

    Quote Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg View Post
    Weavers now have Eight Legged Foe (Safe Fall)
    IMO all classes ( both freeps / creeps ) should have a safe fall skill on a 5 - 10 min CD .

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    Re: Play Dead (Update 7 Warg Racial)

    Quote Originally Posted by Louvre View Post
    IMO all classes ( both freeps / creeps ) should have a safe fall skill on a 5 - 10 min CD .
    Based on what reasoning?
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    Re: Play Dead (Update 7 Warg Racial)

    Quote Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg View Post
    Based on what reasoning?
    He doesnt need reasons, this is the internet where reason and logic is shown the door.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssSteele View Post
    That skill should have never been given to burgs.
    A spider has webs to help crawl down cliffs.
    A burg has http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVruDYoKVGc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melmadoc View Post
    Lets see that Parkour try it without the landing Pad
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    AW: Re: Play Dead (Update 7 Warg Racial)

    Quote Originally Posted by ssSteele View Post
    Redesign safe fall completely. All freeps get to buy rope kits to climb down cliffs. These ropes are irretrievable from the bottom of the cliff, however, freeps can also gain elven rope which are retrievable at the bottom of the cliff.
    Im kindred to Lothlorien elves so couldn't I just purchase the one in the likes of Sam's that unties itself when not needed? Ha! Here is the lore basis to give safe fall to every freep class! Nicely done!
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    Re: Play Dead (Update 7 Warg Racial)

    Quote Originally Posted by babaju2 View Post
    Many burgs would rather have a 200% sprint. Your point? The classes are two different classes. Why the hell does everybody ALWAYS compare classes that are not the same?
    I don't know. Maybe because the Lorebook reference has something in the Warg section where it says "Equivalent Class: Burg"?

    Just sayin'. . . .

    But, seriously. 20 second sprint. That's 10 seconds of the Freep running after you, while you're on fire and can't get back into stealth, because burning embers lasts a minute, then them horsing up, then only losing a little ground for the next nine seconds, until they run you down because their horse does 168% and has a 20% run speed buff and they can do that all day.

    Personally, I think Play Dead is an amusing idea, but very un-Warg-like. Hobbits pretend to be dead. Wargs, on the other hand, try and make Hobbits actually dead. Well, sad, really. Since Freeps don't die. It's Morale, not hit points. They get so sad we take pity on them and leave them alone.

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    Re: Play Dead (Update 7 Warg Racial)

    /signed why shouldn't we have a race that can flop over like the million hobbits do, i think play dead is brilliant

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    Re: Play Dead (Update 7 Warg Racial)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelregne View Post
    /signed i think play dead is brilliant
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    Re: Play Dead (Update 7 Warg Racial)

    Im surprised how after all the changes been made to the wargs, some players feel the need for something more, based on 'hey those classes have it why shouldnt we?' All of you that ./signed on this must have a good time trolling, or just be terrible players.

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    Re: Play Dead (Update 7 Warg Racial)

    Quote Originally Posted by Yelloweyedemon View Post
    Im surprised how after all the changes been made to the wargs, some players feel the need for something more, based on 'hey those classes have it why shouldnt we?' All of you that ./signed on this must have a good time trolling, or just be terrible players.
    I'm surprised after seeing all the changes to various classes, that some players feel the need to complain when Creepside players suggest getting something cool for their class. Like, you know, the Freeps get all the time. Sure, the Wargs finally got some love, but the playing field still isn't level.

    Hint for you, mate. People who agree that adding something is a good idea are neither trolling, or bad players. They'd just like to see their class brought a little closer to level with their opponents.
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    Re: Play Dead (Update 7 Warg Racial)

    Quote Originally Posted by Yelloweyedemon View Post
    Im surprised how after all the changes been made to the wargs, some players feel the need for something more, based on 'hey those classes have it why shouldnt we?' All of you that ./signed on this must have a good time trolling, or just be terrible players.
    and that was said by a warden whose the jack of all trades..freeps are ezmoding 24/7
    Proof: Tab for target, choose button 1,2 or 3 to kill.
    If you think wargs on any point is equal with a freep you're the one trolling
    Though the warg is the strongest creep class at the moment they are nowhere near a champion. they dont need this racial, Defilers do.

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    Re: Play Dead (Update 7 Warg Racial)

    Quote Originally Posted by l4j View Post
    I'm surprised after seeing all the changes to various classes, that some players feel the need to complain when Creepside players suggest getting something cool for their class. Like, you know, the Freeps get all the time. Sure, the Wargs finally got some love, but the playing field still isn't level.

    Hint for you, mate. People who agree that adding something is a good idea are neither trolling, or bad players. They'd just like to see their class brought a little closer to level with their opponents.
    A little closer to level ? comes by a warg? I play warg myself, and know a lot of ppl that say the same, experienced wargs can solo kill 70% of the freeps 1v1 if not more. I know that creep side vs freep side aint ballanced and i would like to see some classes like a defiler getting more options (a bit of dps). But adding such a skill for a class that runs 50% of the time (probably a lot more ) in packs, giving the oponent no chance at all, a 3rd escape skill? Next step would be to give a 5% damage and damage reduction for each warg in group.

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    Re: Play Dead (Update 7 Warg Racial)

    Quote Originally Posted by Witch0King View Post
    and that was said by a warden whose the jack of all trades..freeps are ezmoding 24/7
    Proof: Tab for target, choose button 1,2 or 3 to kill.
    If you think wargs on any point is equal with a freep you're the one trolling
    Though the warg is the strongest creep class at the moment they are nowhere near a champion. they dont need this racial, Defilers do.
    Well first of all i dont think my class has anything to do with this, so the first part of your post is pointless, i know how powerfull a warden is in pvp (when in good hands) and im not asking for any improvements. Same should go for wargs i think, is it not? Again, i would like to hear which class can tab for target and kill with 3 buttons. You probably refairing to ppl that stand behind a raid and pewpewing, cause there is no chance a class can kill someone with a bit of brain in 3 buttons. I am not trolling anyone, neither im against adding some skills and boosting the ones that need it. (hunters,defilers etc) Adding such a skill for wargs atm is not reasonable and absolutely not needed.

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    Re: Play Dead (Update 7 Warg Racial)

    Quote Originally Posted by Yelloweyedemon View Post
    Well first of all i dont think my class has anything to do with this, so the first part of your post is pointless, i know how powerfull a warden is in pvp (when in good hands) and im not asking for any improvements. Same should go for wargs i think, is it not? Again, i would like to hear which class can tab for target and kill with 3 buttons. You probably refairing to ppl that stand behind a raid and pewpewing, cause there is no chance a class can kill someone with a bit of brain in 3 buttons. I am not trolling anyone, neither im against adding some skills and boosting the ones that need it. (hunters,defilers etc) Adding such a skill for wargs atm is not reasonable and absolutely not needed.
    Just saw I missread your post. sorry. thought you said creeps not wargs :P

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    Re: Play Dead (Update 7 Warg Racial)

    Unsigned. It's a bad idea. It's dumb. Also since I am a warg you can't go, "oh a <x class> WOULD say that".


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    Re: Play Dead (Update 7 Warg Racial)

    Quote Originally Posted by babaju2 View Post
    Props for the good idea but I hope it never, ever, ever gets given to wargs.
    Yeah, give it to minis instead.
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    Re: Play Dead (Update 7 Warg Racial)

    Quote Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg View Post
    Based on what reasoning?
    Quote Originally Posted by lucky100x View Post
    He doesnt need reasons, this is the internet where reason and logic is shown the door.
    Because the ability to do the same it's already on the store .

    Wow , that was a hard one to figure out am I right ?

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    Re: Play Dead (Update 7 Warg Racial)

    Quote Originally Posted by l4j View Post
    I'm surprised after seeing all the changes to various classes, that some players feel the need to complain when Creepside players suggest getting something cool for their class. Like, you know, the Freeps get all the time. Sure, the Wargs finally got some love, but the playing field still isn't level.

    Hint for you, mate. People who agree that adding something is a good idea are neither trolling, or bad players. They'd just like to see their class brought a little closer to level with their opponents.
    Then you should be all in favor of hunters getting better survivability ?

    On topic, while I don't think wargs should get this skill (hunter goggles ftw), it shows the discrepancies between the various freep and creep classes.

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    Re: Play Dead (Update 7 Warg Racial)

    Quote Originally Posted by Louvre View Post
    Because the ability to do the same it's already on the store .

    Wow , that was a hard one to figure out am I right ?
    Then all players should also have an in-combat CC immunity skill

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    Re: Play Dead (Update 7 Warg Racial)

    Quote Originally Posted by Yelloweyedemon View Post
    A little closer to level ? comes by a warg? I play warg myself, and know a lot of ppl that say the same, experienced wargs can solo kill 70% of the freeps 1v1 if not more. I know that creep side vs freep side aint ballanced and i would like to see some classes like a defiler getting more options (a bit of dps). But adding such a skill for a class that runs 50% of the time (probably a lot more ) in packs, giving the oponent no chance at all, a 3rd escape skill? Next step would be to give a 5% damage and damage reduction for each warg in group.
    Well, straight to the point: my last comment was on people complaining when a Creep player suggested something they thought was cool for their class. Considering you agree that the balance is off and Creepside, in general, needs some love. And honestly, this coming from a Warden, the "stacking AoE Vampire HoT" class? And yes, I play one myself.

    Personally, I find the Play Dead idea amusing but I don't think it's especially Warglike or needed. I wouldn't request it or purchase it if it was available.

    But seriously. If you don't like the idea, say "I don't like this idea." But don't complain that people are suggesting it.
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    Re: Play Dead (Update 7 Warg Racial)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zulubeast View Post
    Then you should be all in favor of hunters getting better survivability ?

    On topic, while I don't think wargs should get this skill (hunter goggles ftw), it shows the discrepancies between the various freep and creep classes.
    Not sure I follow. How does Hunter survivabilty fit with my comment? But yes, we agree that things aren't balanced. The classes aren't supposed to be copies of each other, which makes the balance issue harder, but yes. Thing is, we all know LoTRO isn't about PvMP in the Moors. It's about the Epic and the in-world story content and the Lore. The Ettenmoors were an afterthought and, honestly, only a fraction of the player base ever goes out there, and even fewer do it seriously. The Moors will never get the attention the rest of the game gets.

    Though, we agree on the skill. And I'm looking it as a Warg.
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    Re: Play Dead (Update 7 Warg Racial)

    Keep an eye on BullRoarer to see if this made it to U7
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    Re: Play Dead (Update 7 Warg Racial)

    Quote Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg View Post
    Keep an eye on BullRoarer to see if this made it to U7
    lol

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    Re: Play Dead (Update 7 Warg Racial)

    Play Death is a interesting concept, but it would be not so usefull in PvMP. it would be better if you -appeared- defeated to Freeps, but to implement this they would probably also change it so that the minstiral and hobbit play death skills also work better in PvMP

    Warg has enough escape skills. i would much prefer to see this on a defieler or blackarrow

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    Re: Play Dead (Update 7 Warg Racial)

    really not needed on a warg especially given that there are creeps with zero escape skills


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    Re: Play Dead (Update 7 Warg Racial)

    Looks like an oversight was made in the U7 Notes

    No mention of Play Dead

    I will go to Warg Trainer and see if its there
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    Re: Play Dead (Update 7 Warg Racial)

    Eh, I'm too busy BEING dead to have time PLAYING dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squelcher View Post
    Yes, because Turbine have always been so good at deciding what should and should not be implemented into PVMP.
    I would say no "digger stance" ... sounds pretty dumb and as for the "play dead" skill, it never works anyways. If they give wargs a new skill I would like a second hips that makes us run at 100% like burgs. Overall though, I don't think we need anything new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilikegunsnbombs View Post
    I would say no "digger stance" ... sounds pretty dumb and as for the "play dead" skill, it never works anyways. If they give wargs a new skill I would like a second hips that makes us run at 100% like burgs. Overall though, I don't think we need anything new.
    What if it were called digdug stance instead...



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    wargs can sprint in stealth, i'd say that's good enough

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    Grand Member Online status: jennirich is online now Reputation: jennirich the Bounders-friend jennirich the Bounders-friend jennirich the Bounders-friend jennirich the Bounders-friend jennirich the Bounders-friend jennirich the Bounders-friend jennirich the Bounders-friend jennirich the Bounders-friend jennirich the Bounders-friend jennirich the Bounders-friend
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    I love the idea. With this change and my proposed minstrel changes, it's going to be a very hard decision on what toon to play.
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    play dead

    would be a funny and useless skill.

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