Thread: Play Dead (Update 7 Warg Racial)

Originally Posted by Weezl

Maybe they could also introduce a "stick" to the store which the freeps can throw causing the 5+ wargs that jump them on the way from the gy to chase that instead of themselves

And a fire hydrant trap for hunters.

Originally Posted by Armitas

That idea is terrible.

What about this as a new warg skill?

Warg becomes adept at digging. Warg is now capable of carrying more items than any other creep by digging holes throughout the ettenmoors. The warg can then off load some of his inventory and bury it so no one else can have it.

New Stance digger. Warg can now dig warg sized tunnels and pass unseen and untracked through the moors. He can then dig back up through the ground as an induction and attack unsuspecting freeps.

I created a rough map of the moors that describes how the warg can move through the moors. Now mind you this is a rough draft so don't be too critical

^(joking)

LOL . So cool .

Originally Posted by Squelcher

Yes, because Turbine have always been so good at deciding what should and should not be implemented into PVMP.

What Squelcher said.

Trolling aside, between sprint and dips, wargs can escape certain death more often than pretty much all other classes, creep or freep (although the point of certain death tends to come faster than say, freep heavies obviously). Really don't see why *they* should get a 'flop' skill on top of that. If hobbit burgs having it was even a reason, then it would have a 30 minutes cooldown, not 5.

Frankly the warg is the class least in need of help creep side at the moment.

Originally Posted by Equendil

Trolling aside, between sprint and dips, wargs can escape certain death more often than pretty much all other classes, creep or freep (although the point of certain death tends to come faster than say, freep heavies obviously). Really don't see why *they* should get a 'flop' skill on top of that. If hobbit burgs having it was even a reason, then it would have a 30 minutes cooldown, not 5.

Frankly the warg is the class least in need of help creep side at the moment.

Since when do added buffs or traits only qualify when a class " needs help"

Did Burgs "need help" when they got Auto -Devastate on the set bonus?

Did Minis "need help" when they got War-Speech self-heals?

Play-Dead is just a natural part of the Warg's evolution

Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg

No one ever likes my ideas

it's not your idea....

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...62#post6093162

Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg

Since when do added buffs or traits only qualify when a class " needs help"

Would be nice if turbine was capable of developing everything all at once but atm the trend I've seen is done by race. RoI was uruks, u6 creatures. U7 orcs? It would be nice for wargs to get something small but first here is my thoughts on FD.

Feign Death needs to be split into a pve skill and a pvp skill. First off the pvp version needs to be reworked. It does not make you immune from death but it is extremely convincing. I propose when fd pvp version is used the person loses all his morale and drops dead distributing fake renown and commendations while giving the fake kb to the last attacker. Your morale will revert back to it's original state plus oocmr/pr.

Creeps will be given an induction skill to execute a target that has yet to succumb to their wounds. When the person gets executed from this induction skill you are dropped to half health if you had more than half health when using fd and die if you have less than half health. This skill works on every freep that has not succumbed to their wounds.

Spiders burrow needs to also change because digging into the ground is different from just dropping on the ground. I'm sure spiders wouldn't mind being able to move around underground. This skill would slow the spider's movement down dramatically. This opens up possibilities for the traited version. Untraited a noticeable dirt mound is visible while the spider is burrowed/moving. Freeps able to use similar induction execute skill. Traited + stealth while burrowed reduces the dirt mound noticeably as well as it's stealth level (targeting purpose).


||||N||||(o)\\W// as for wargs the two things that I would liked changed is rallying howl and sprint.

Rallying howl imo doesn't make sense but, neither does the minstrel class (Minstrel's Foe: "What kind of fool comes to the battlefield to sing rather than fight? A dead fool. <-RIP). Instead I'd prefer eating my victims. It would be a channeled duration skill that ends when the target succumbs to his/her wounds. I think most situations freeps may stick around for points if fight looks like warg may die adds a new element instead of sitting there dead waiting for a res when your presence is healing wargs. This opens up new ways to heal and attack. Run up to the downed target start channel heal break after a second or two for a small heal to keep attacking or stay longer to heal more morale. This would also need to be coded for how many wargs can eat the same corpse and for how long.

Sprint, the fastest class in game should also have the most control over it. I can sprint at 200% for 20s on a traited 5m cd or I can trait for a 2m cd 1XX% for XXs. It would also be nice to have a second sprint skill that is a low duration low speed buff on a low cd

Only some rough ideas.

Originally Posted by ssSteele

Rallying howl imo doesn't make sense but, neither does the minstrel class (Minstrel's Foe: "What kind of fool comes to the battlefield to sing rather than fight? A dead fool. <-RIP). Instead I'd prefer eating my victims. It would be a channeled duration skill that ends when the target succumbs to his/her wounds. I think most situations freeps may stick around for points if fight looks like warg may die adds a new element instead of sitting there dead waiting for a res when your presence is healing wargs. This opens up new ways to heal and attack. Run up to the downed target start channel heal break after a second or two for a small heal to keep attacking or stay longer to heal more morale. This would also need to be coded for how many wargs can eat the same corpse and for how long.

I must admit that the heal sounds really cool, but I think that there should be some offensive buffs (like -attack duration or some such) if you continue to use the skill for long enough. Maybe something like -5% attack duration if the skill lasts 3 seconds, -7% if it lasts 5, and -10% if it lasts 10 or some such. Something that would make the warg want to continue it, but make the freeps want to stop it.

Of course, not saying this needs to be done now since the other creep classes need more love than wargs atm, but an idea for the future.

Racials have not been upgraded in 5 years

Its time.

Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg

Racials have not been upgraded in 5 years

Its time.

Some of them have. The same cannot be said for elf parry, 1 hour cooldown 10 second duration and doesn't even work against wargs.

Originally Posted by babaju2

Some of them have. The same cannot be said for elf parry, 1 hour cooldown 10 second duration and doesn't even work against wargs.

Should have got Manheal instead

Your mistake my friend

Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg

Of course all the Freeps who spam FD on their Hobbits and Minis are opposed to it

Imagine that

???SPAM??? skills that are on 1hr and a 5 min cool down...not sure if serious?

Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg

Should have got Manheal instead

Your mistake my friend

Manheal...2200-3000 heal for over 1000 power on a 1 hr cooldown not useable on the move...2 pots = 2800-3000 heal on a 4 min cool down. Hell, I will give you my Strength of Morale trait...

Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg

No one ever likes my ideas

QFT

Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg

Should have got Manheal instead

Your mistake my friend

Your mistake that you play a warg. Go roll another class if you don't want the racials that wargs have. Seems like you want hobbit flop, go play a hobbit burg.

Originally Posted by babaju2

Your mistake that you play a warg. Go roll another class if you don't want the racials that wargs have. Seems like you want hobbit flop, go play a hobbit burg.

A hobbit mini can flop x 2

A hobbit burg can HIPS x 2 + Flop

My warg requires a new racial

Originally Posted by Winterfell

..not sure if serious?

Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg

A hobbit mini can flop x 2

A hobbit burg can HIPS x 2 + Flop

My warg requires a new racial

An elf LM can elf parry x1 and it does not even work against wargs. Stop ignoring the raw juicy facts. You are telling me wargs should get new racials that they don't even need, but it's just fine and dandy that elves have a 1 hour cd 10s duration one that doesn't even work? My fault that I chose an elf? Good one broski.

Originally Posted by babaju2

An elf LM can elf parry x1 and it does not even work against wargs. Stop ignoring the raw juicy facts. You are telling me wargs should get new racials that they don't even need, but it's just fine and dandy that elves have a 1 hour cd 10s duration one that doesn't even work? My fault that I chose an elf? Good one broski.

Parry this

Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg

And a man burg can Manheal

Man heal has not been updated since SoA.

It is about as useful as the warg's "p*** on you" /rude emode.

Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg

Parry this

See? This is what happens every time I corner your illogical stupidity. You post a stupid picture because you have nothing to say. You can't even say something stupid to make an argument against my post.
Edit:"Parry this" Hmmm... That's funny. I would parry it if elf parry had even a 1% chance of working against bestial claws or bloody maul.

Originally Posted by babaju2

See? This is what happens every time I corner your illogical stupidity. You post a stupid picture because you have nothing to say. You can't even say something stupid to make an argument against my post.
Edit:"Parry this" Hmmm... That's funny. I would parry it if elf parry had even a 1% chance of working against bestial claws or bloody maul.

Originally Posted by babaju2

See? This is what happens every time I corner your illogical stupidity. You post a stupid picture because you have nothing to say. You can't even say something stupid to make an argument against my post.
Edit:"Parry this" Hmmm... That's funny. I would parry it if elf parry had even a 1% chance of working against bestial claws or bloody maul.

You're making it too easy for him

He is a master troll after all

Originally Posted by Haunt123

You're making it too easy for him

He is a master troll after all

He's a pretty bad troll.

Wargs need this new racial and I cannot fathom why there is so much hatred in this thread! U6 left Wargs at a severe disadvantage with the massive changes (read nerfs) to the class and has resulted in a class drop rate of over 16.3%! You see more Defiler Packs than Warg Packs these days, it's such a shame..give them Play Dead racial, please!

Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg

No one ever likes my ideas

Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg

Orion shall be the judge

Well in that case, if one fool is not enough...

Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg

Play Dead
Immediate
Channel Duration: 30s
You are talented at playing dead, causing enemies to ignore you completely.
Cost: ... Power
Channeled Skill
Cooldown: 5m

Nice Troll thread.

You can put this on your santa wish list with the laser eyes and the flame breath.

How about "Play Dead" as a skill that you can use to disappear from someone's track. It can be used in stealth but if you are around enemies you can still take damage.

As of now you need to "Disappear" (if visable) or unstealth and restealth if tracked.

Make it R10 and a 10 minute cooldown.

What does elves have to do with anything? they are weaver snack, wargs are here for the hobbits.

anyways, wargs doesnt need another escape skill, if so this one should replace sprint or hips, by (choice)
And all the QQ toward the wargs, there werent much QQ when the freeps wandered around 1 shotting everything as they still do due to ezmoding. Burgs have NO rights to complain, Minis have NO rights to complain, Wargs have NO rights to complain beside the fact that they are creeps.

Honestly, no freeps got the right to complain so, no. Remember they nerfed Revenge? remember when even the LMs complained about flaming arrows? replace Moving Target with something useful. Give WLs & Defilers something. Far as I see, everyone here whos staying classy complains about benefits they have which others dont.

At least I am man enough to provide ideas to the Devs

Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg

At least I am man enough to provide ideas to the Devs

I wouldnt have it in any other way, the forums are here to discuss. you do that, so I dont get why people troll your threads.
I would come with as many ideas as It takes, but when do devs give a hint of reading or doing anything with the suggestions? I cant wait for each and every update to see what comes or not, so Ive given that up. Im just playing the game as it is

Instead of "Play Dead," how about this:

Tread Lightly
When enemies are near, your survival instincts are heightened. You lighten your step at the cost of movement speed.
Duration: 1 minute
Cooldown: 10 minutes
Effect: You become untrackable by any means (+10 to stealth level [should keep it from having to be scaled in the foreseeable future], -15% movement speed); only usable from stealth.

Give it to the true stealth classes, not the "look at me I'm a bush" classes In an age when everyone and their 3rd cousins are using store trackers to spam track enemies, this would return a measure of solace to the scouting classes for each side, allowing wargs/burgs to repurpose their role as "eyes on the enemy."

.02

Wargs need an emote where they chase their tail in a circle.

Wargs do not need even more invisibility or even more escape skills.

Originally Posted by Turyen

Wargs need this new racial and I cannot fathom why there is so much hatred in this thread! U6 left Wargs at a severe disadvantage with the massive changes (read nerfs) to the class and has resulted in a class drop rate of over 16.3%! You see more Defiler Packs than Warg Packs these days, it's such a shame..give them Play Dead racial, please!

I don't think anyone is being hatefull. We all love pureblood. Half of us are joking (me), the rest are just disagreeing. We all assumed he was trolling. I mean come on, sprint, dissappear, and flop? That has to be trolling.

I think what you're seeing with your warg population is due to your server. See here for total statistics. There are still many more wargs than any other class. My server alone has twice as many wargs than any other class. I would give my last stand to have a 16.3% reduction in wargs. Not that I don't love the 8v1s or the 1v1s that end in dissappear.

No, just give us something else. A Find Footing kind of skill

Originally Posted by Armitas

I don't think anyone is being hatefull. We all love pureblood. Half of us are joking (me), the rest are just disagreeing. We all assumed he was trolling. I mean come on, sprint, dissappear, and flop? That has to be trolling.

I think what you're seeing with your warg population is due to your server. See here for total statistics. There are still many more wargs than any other class. My server alone has twice as many wargs than any other class. I would give my last stand to have a 16.3% reduction in wargs. Not that I don't love the 8v1s or the 1v1s that end in dissappear.

remember alts, every freep I know got a warg.. so you cant really trust the statistics

Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg

No one ever likes my ideas

dude i love this idea...

i got my warg tribe together and i told them to do faint at the bot of stab. then unstealth then a burg came along named frankfurd (frankfart) and he started leapfrogging us it was hilarious we stood there so long then a stupid ####### came along and use the rain of thorns if I'm correct and killed us but it was hilarious

Originally Posted by CarltheRed

No, just give us something else. A Find Footing kind of skill

Weavers now have Eight Legged Foe (Safe Fall)

Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg

Weavers now have Eight Legged Foe (Safe Fall)

give that skills to wargs

Originally Posted by Samus1111111

I must admit that the heal sounds really cool, but I think that there should be some offensive buffs (like -attack duration or some such) if you continue to use the skill for long enough. Maybe something like -5% attack duration if the skill lasts 3 seconds, -7% if it lasts 5, and -10% if it lasts 10 or some such. Something that would make the warg want to continue it, but make the freeps want to stop it.

Of course, not saying this needs to be done now since the other creep classes need more love than wargs atm, but an idea for the future.

I like that idea of including an offensive buff to the heal which leaves room for changing it into a rank gated skill that is enhanced by a class trait instead of just being gated by a class trait.

Would also be cool if able to heal from eating dead creeps but at a lower effect since man flesh and hobbits are tastier.

The Hobbit page 268 "Already many of the goblins were flying back down the river to escape from the trap; and many of their own wolves were turning upon them and rending the dead and wounded."

Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg

Weavers now have Eight Legged Foe (Safe Fall)

That skill should have never been given to burgs.
A spider has webs to help crawl down cliffs.
A burg has http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVruDYoKVGc

Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg

Weavers now have Eight Legged Foe (Safe Fall)

Wargs have hips and sprint.

Yes, I can state the obvious too.

Redesign safe fall completely. All freeps get to buy rope kits to climb down cliffs. These ropes are irretrievable from the bottom of the cliff, however, freeps can also gain elven rope which are retrievable at the bottom of the cliff.

Spiders have a web skill, orc's have a scale wall ability, uruk's have irretrievable ropes and wargs are sol.

These ropes can be cut at which point you fall and take falling injuries by the distance you fell. For rope this will have a length tied to it i.e. 40 meters of rope. If it gets cut it's length decreases by a meter. The skill itself would have a short induction to.

This suggestion is right up there with coding the map to allow hunters and spiders to attack from the trees, which would give reavers a bow option. An updated map that is even more interactive is whats needed over a new map.