Thread: females and you

If you suggest "Women should wear cuter outfits" you will get "stop treating women as objects and pieces of meat you sexist pig!" and if you suggest "women should be covered up from head to foot with only their eyes showing" you will get "dont surpress me I have a wonderful body and if i want to show it off i will you sexist pig!!"....Ive hit middle age happilly married for ..hmm wow 10 years already, and ive learnt over the last 40 years three golden rules, do not quesion a lady on age, weight or fashion sense! You will live a long and stress free life.....well for about 10 minutes until you do something else wrong....

seriously though, cuter clothing for women? I thought what was in game now pretty good. But then im a mere male and my fashion sense is questionable. I dont think my heart could take it if they introduced lingerie or provocative clothing and thats not something id want to see prancing around the streets of Bree ir the Pony...or anywhere else in middle earth....the poor ladies would catch cold!

all of the people that keep saying ogle or drooling over in game toons or that this idea is demeaning to women really need to stop trolling and if your serious i feel bad for you especially the people that say if they put in cosmetic clothing that i have the option of not wearing im gonna cancel my subscription, all i can do is lol i started this thread to suggest they put a lil more variety in the cosmetic clothing for female toons that's all, and im sure that if people really wanna see more skin they can tab out and go to whatever site they want to , this isn't about that this about the fact that every piece of cosmetic gear for females does not have to be a Quaker dress, so stop being ignorant plz lol

Originally Posted by Micaa

i started this thread to suggest they put a lil more variety in the cosmetic clothing for female toons that's all, and im sure that if people really wanna see more skin they can tab out and go to whatever site they want to , this isn't about that this about the fact that every piece of cosmetic gear for females does not have to be a Quaker dress, so stop being ignorant plz lol

Maybe it would be a good idea to edit your original post then. The way it is currently worded it makes quite a lot of people think that you indeed want to dress female characters in LotRO in a way making them fit to appear in mature gentlemens' magazines.

Some people will only read that first post and a few after that but won't work there way through (by now) eleven pages of posts and counter-posts. They'll interpret your opening post in the most obvious way and answer to that, not to what you wrote later in the thread.

Are you people really serious? 11 pages of replies to a simple suggestion about someone wanting different choices of clothing? Is this really the top issue in-game right now? I am a female and personally I would like to see more choices whether they are more revealing or not... I would like it if my battle gear was ripped and bloody looking because I am becoming a real good champ and they should be tattered and bloody and not all pristine like a mini or lm. But to say that a fantasy game should be all smut or even no smut is ludicrous... IT IS A FANTASY ROLE PLAYING GAME AND AS SUCH IT SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE ONE. Not everyone had the same exact visions in their head for the toons or the "time-period" when they first read the books because it is fantasy, not history... and not everyone shares in the vision they made when they put it to film either. I personally wouldn't mind seeing some classy but sexy outfits in game...why not? However, if my neighbor wants to dress like she/he is getting ready to hop in the hay that is his/her business, and the same goes for if they might want to dress from head to toe in religious attire... either way it would not concern me what-so-ever....and it should not concern anyone else either! If the man wants to make a suggestion about what he wants to see in a game (I am sure) he is paying hard earned money for he should be allowed to do so. In the posts I read it doesn't seem like he wants it to be x-rated....he just wants choices. There is NOTHING WRONG WITH WANTING OPTIONS and I know for a fact he is not a frustrated under-sexed gaming "nerd" who has never seen a woman in rl because I am that woman!
<3 keep fighting the fight dear and don't let ignorance, intolerance, or close mindedness sway you from your fight!! roflmbosmdh... this is too much!

Originally Posted by Syrianna

Are you people really serious? 11 pages of replies to a simple suggestion about someone wanting different choices of clothing? Is this really the top issue in-game right now?

Far from it, but the suggestion was put forth...and not everyone thinks it's a good idea as presented. Clearly there are...issues...around game designers choices with regard to clothing.

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

Originally Posted by Syrianna

A. IT IS A FANTASY ROLE PLAYING GAME AND AS SUCH IT SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE ONE. Not everyone had the same exact visions in their head for the toons or the "time-period" when they first read the books because it is fantasy, not history... and not everyone shares in the vision they made when they put it to film either. I personally wouldn't mind seeing some classy but sexy outfits in game

^^^^^^^^^^

Originally Posted by Syrianna

Are you people really serious? 11 pages of replies to a simple suggestion about someone wanting different choices of clothing? Is this really the top issue in-game right now? I am a female and personally I would like to see more choices whether they are more revealing or not... I would like it if my battle gear was ripped and bloody looking because I am becoming a real good champ and they should be tattered and bloody and not all pristine like a mini or lm. But to say that a fantasy game should be all smut or even no smut is ludicrous... IT IS A FANTASY ROLE PLAYING GAME AND AS SUCH IT SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE ONE.

It is already, in case you hadn't noticed; Turbine's take on it goes way beyond what's likely as it is. And just because it's fantasy doesn't mean there must therefore be revealing outfits or whatever. It depends what the fantasy is like; it's not like all fantasy is the same. This one's very traditionally-minded, and so traditional-looking dress goes well with that.

What a dreary thread.

I only read a few posts...

Outfits are fine as is.

/not signed

The good old professor will roll over in his grave if this happens...

Just because it's fantasy doesn't mean we should have female elves fighting in bikinis or broadswords both longer and wider than the man carrying them (also on fire). Most will say that it doesn't have to go that far. Well it will just start with some cleavage here and some skin shown there, but it will only get worse as time goes on.

It's been done in other games and it just comes out looking cheesy. Armor should look like something that protects you, not like a Halloween costume.It does not belong in a title like Lord of the Rings. In fact, this would be the last straw.

If such outfits are implemented in the game, than I'm done with the game. Period.

Originally Posted by Radhruin_EU

It depends what the fantasy is like; it's not like all fantasy is the same. This one's very traditionally-minded, and so traditional-looking dress goes well with that.

Exactly. Like I said earlier, my female toon in Conan dressed really skimpy because it fit there. That type of dress does not fit here at all and I don't want it to change.

I still say unsigned, we have a ton of different cosmetic outfits here.

Originally Posted by djheydt

Or else they're guys, who (in accordance with long tradition) play female characters because they'd rather look at a female backside than a male one.

But I don't actually run anywhere. I ride for the 68% speed boost, so I never see my character's rear. All I see is a muscular horse's backside, rhythmically undulating as he strides powerfully across the landscape, sweat glistening from his flanks...

Oh god. Oh god, no.

That was a disturbing self-realization.

Originally Posted by Ameranth

But I don't actually run anywhere. I ride for the 68% speed boost, so I never see my character's rear. All I see is a muscular horse's backside, rhythmically undulating as he strides powerfully across the landscape, sweat glistening from his flanks...

Oh god. Oh god, no.

That was a disturbing self-realization.

I LOL'ed hard! Too bad I gave out too much rep in the last 24 hours. I'm still laughing!

Originally Posted by Yula_the_Mighty

My preference is an attractive real life female - got one of the those. Have her wear a revealing outfit in the prvate. I would suggest that you investigate this alternative.

^I got one of those too lmao

Originally Posted by Nymphonic

I LOL'ed hard! Too bad I gave out too much rep in the last 24 hours. I'm still laughing!

Don't worry, I've got your rep.

Originally Posted by Erathane

The good old professor will roll over in his grave if this happens...

Just because it's fantasy doesn't mean we should have female elves fighting in bikinis or broadswords both longer and wider than the man carrying them (also on fire). Most will say that it doesn't have to go that far. Well it will just start with some cleavage here and some skin shown there, but it will only get worse as time goes on.

It's been done in other games and it just comes out looking cheesy. Armor should look like something that protects you, not like a Halloween costume.It does not belong in a title like Lord of the Rings. In fact, this would be the last straw.

If such outfits are implemented in the game, than I'm done with the game. Period.

THANK YOU.

Now, I personally think the outfits chosen for the females are perfect. Go run around in your undergarments if you have a problem with it. -_-

The dresses are pretty, though some DO have a low cut, but I could care less. It's not like I have my camera panned forward so I can see me while I run(It's hard to play like that.).

And I was glad to see that for once, the women actually had some respect in what they wear. Most MMORPG games aren't like that.

And that's just an opinion.

.......

Haters gonna hate.

~ Tourmalien Bracegirdle, Voluntary Assistant Chief, Hardbottle, Northfarthing, The Shire

Originally Posted by Erathane

The good old professor will roll over in his grave if this happens...

This, this, a million times THIS!

Originally Posted by Tassolahoff

THANK YOU.

Now, I personally think the outfits chosen for the females are perfect. Go run around in your undergarments if you have a problem with it. -_-

The dresses are pretty, though some DO have a low cut, but I could care less. It's not like I have my camera panned forward so I can see me while I run(It's hard to play like that.).

And I was glad to see that for once, the women actually had some respect in what they wear. Most MMORPG games aren't like that.

But Turbine games generally are.

Particularly in AC2, when you could play several nonhuman races: the Empyreans were humanoid but tall and skinny; the Drudges were humanoid but small and goblinish; the Lugians were big, rotund, and grey; and the Tonk (my favorites) looked like little bipedal dinosaurs, covered in bright-colored fur. (Tapuaua was a lovely jade-green, with touches of black.) All races could strip down to nothing but their underwear. For a Tonk, that *was* a loincloth, but who cared? I never encountered anyone whistling at me and saying "Hey, Tapu, great tail spikes!"

Originally Posted by Ameranth

But I don't actually run anywhere. I ride for the 68% speed boost, so I never see my character's rear. All I see is a muscular horse's backside, rhythmically undulating as he strides powerfully across the landscape, sweat glistening from his flanks...

Oh god. Oh god, no.

That was a disturbing self-realization.

Was trying to stay out of this thread (I have enough issues with slimy players making harassing/degrading comments about my female toon without making her look like more of a sexual object), but I had to stop in and say +rep for the thread-winning post!

Originally Posted by Dinarian

This, this, a million times THIS!

if he was alive today the story would be more modernized, it was written in the 40's or whatnot when everything was very conservative especially in England

When I rolled my characters, I knew I'd spend most of my time in-game looking at their backside.

That's why I rolled female characters. Who wants to look at a jagged dude all day?

I'd like to remind everyone that this is a **fantasy** RPG. Who's to say that there aren't any scantily-clad sorceresses running around some corner of Middle-earth (other than Tolkien, but he's not saying much nowadays, is he...)?

Before someone accuses me of misogyny, I'll add I am married to a beautiful women with a very unique and sexy taste in fashion. We do Renn Faires all the time, and yeah, a "period" women's costume would never expose any leg above the ankle, but shows a TON of pushed up cleavage. But this isn't a renn faire. This is a game, played mostly by young men. If Turbine wants to make money, they know how to appeal to young men.

With her short white hair, my Cappy looks like Ivy from the Soul Caliber series. I'd love to put her in a purple leotard to complete the look.

Certain cosmetics can make someone look like cowboys in this game. I got a buddy with warden done up like Indiana Jones. And people complain that RKs break lore...

Originally Posted by Moefaux

I'd like to remind everyone that this is a **fantasy** RPG. Who's to say that there aren't any scantily-clad sorceresses running around some corner of Middle-earth (other than Tolkien, but he's not saying much nowadays, is he...)?

Like I already said: all fantasies are not the same. Anyone who has such a fixed idea of what 'fantasy' means needs to get out more, imaginatively speaking. A game set in Middle-earth shouldn't have that stereotypical 'fantasy' comic-book look that's so often seen in games, because unlike most it's not something that was invented solely for a game.

But this isn't a renn faire.

Damn straight it's not. It shouldn't look like Renaissance anything. That'd be the wrong look, too.

This is a game, played mostly by young men. If Turbine wants to make money, they know how to appeal to young men.

With her short white hair, my Cappy looks like Ivy from the Soul Caliber series. I'd love to put her in a purple leotard to complete the look.

It seems they're making money without selling out entirely like that. And don't worry, I'm not about to accuse you of misogyny... just not having much in the way or either taste or sense. If you want that sort of look, you'd be better off playing a Korean MMO; they're pretty much all like that.

Certain cosmetics can make someone look like cowboys in this game. I got a buddy with warden done up like Indiana Jones. And people complain that RKs break lore...

People have been commenting on the cowboy hats and jeans ever since they first appeared. Yes, Turbine's own stuff fails at times but two wrongs don't make a right.

Originally Posted by Micaa

if he was alive today the story would be more modernized

Ummm, but he isn't writing the story today, and as written the story isn't.

It is totally fine to make a modernized game, with its own styles and lore, but that game wouldn't be LOTRO it would be something else. In fact there are a lot of games with their own lore, and their own time period, setting, technology. But LOTRO is based on what Tolkien wrote, and never once in The Silmarillion , The Hobbit, or in The Lord of the Rings can I recall anything like this,

http://globalvoicesonline.org/wp-con..._deux92821.jpg

I mean seriously it is a chemise and a corset (aka underwear)

Originally Posted by Micaa

if he was alive today the story would be more modernized, it was written in the 40's or whatnot when everything was very conservative especially in England

Oh no it wouldn't. Tolkien's mindset was formed in World War I.

What part of it wasn't formed by the old Eddas and Sagas, to say nothing of the Pearl Poet.

Originally Posted by Moefaux

This is a game, played mostly by young men. If Turbine wants to make money, they know how to appeal to young men.

Actually, the demographics of the players in this game are both older and more female than in many other online games (according to Turbine). Personally, I think that's a good thing... it's part of what makes the community more enjoyable for me. While I certainly wouldn't give all of the credit for that to the appropriateness of clothing to this setting and the lack of chainmail bikinis, I do think it plays a part.

Khafar

Originally Posted by Khafar

Actually, the demographics of the players in this game are both older and more female than in many other online games (according to Turbine). Personally, I think that's a good thing... it's part of what makes the community more enjoyable for me. While I certainly wouldn't give all of the credit for that to the appropriateness of clothing to this setting and the lack of chainmail bikinis, I do think it plays a part.

Khafar

And you are so right.

When I was introduced to Everquest way back in 1999 I met up with several friends in the game, all women. I bonded with them and they were rather flirtatious. One day I discovered that one of them, shockingly was a male playing a female. Dismayed, I confided in one of the other three at which point they responded that they were all guys playing females. Welcome to the forest Bambi!

Originally Posted by Micaa

if he was alive today the story would be more modernized, it was written in the 40's or whatnot when everything was very conservative especially in England

If he were alive today...he'd be in the Guiness Book of World Records as the oldest person alive, because he'd be 120 years old. I don't think it would change his Victorian attitudes (he was, after all, born during the reign of Queen Victoria) at all.

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

Originally Posted by whheydt

If he were alive today...he'd be in the Guiness Book of World Records as the oldest person alive, because he'd be 120 years old. I don't think it would change his Victorian attitudes (he was, after all, born during the reign of Queen Victoria) at all.

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

Perhaps if we confused him with a trip to Victoria's Secret?

Originally Posted by Moefaux

I'd like to remind everyone that this is a **fantasy** RPG. Who's to say that there aren't any scantily-clad sorceresses running around some corner of Middle-earth (other than Tolkien, but he's not saying much nowadays, is he...)?

I'd say it. There weren't an sorceresses in LoTR...scantily clad or otherwise.

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

Originally Posted by Zarador

Perhaps if we confused him with a trip to Victoria's Secret?

I doubt it would *confuse* him. Shock him, perhaps...but not confuse. On the other hand, he might just use the opportunity to buy a nice camisole for his wife.

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

the T in T&A does not stand for "Tolkien".

Originally Posted by Micaa

wtb more revealing outfits for female characters, i mean all these grandma dresses are just plain silly imo, wheres the imagination ...

I'm a girl... I admit I have NOTHING against lookin' all sexy and if I was in a different kind of game where revealing outfits were an option for toons I'd have nothing against people prancing around town in a thong... it would make me laugh! but as much as I favor cute skirts and high-heels, this is Lord of the Rings, not some anime-based game where the ladies are half-dressed. Not to mention Tolkien's world and the way the characters dressed would have been realistic for the time period it was inspired by. I'm glad the game creators stayed reasonable in that department, not to mention I enjoy the dark-age inspired wardrobe of dresses the game has to offer (though I'd like to see something more simular to what was featured in the films). It would be funny to look at, but to someone who appreciates the lore and culture that Tolkien created it would sort of cheapen things up.

Not to sound rude but... this is one of the lamest suggestions I've seen. But I assume it comes from a guy and assume he is being what he thinks is cute (but it does make me giggle so no offense) ... If anything though slightly low-cut armour (if done tastefully) wouldn't be half bad considering most all the gowns are low-cut... but if you're talking about the kind of stuff you see in these other video games where they put them in thongs and barely there tops... then no. I know you guys like to look at your female toons butts but it just wouldn't fit into lotro. It's fine for other games where the characters are created with sex appeal, but this isn't really one of those sort of games. I don't think Tolkien really had the intention of having half-nude characters in his stories. He was afterall from another time himself, and as a fan I personally appreciate the author he was and have a fondness for the time period he himself grew up in. I'm not the least bit offended by sexy outfits, but this isn't Aion or something (Sorry if I spelled that wrong). I'd also like to add that, as a female myself, I really enjoyed not only Tolkien's discriptions of his heroines (such as Eowyn) but loved how Peter Jackson brought them to life as strong, brave and noble women fighting for a cause they believed in and the people they loved (refering to Arwen and Eowyn). It's also nice to say that we women have the ability to be incridibly sexy without appearing on the battlefield in a bikini... those are to be worn when surfing, not fighting orcs .

Appreciate the game for what it is and what kind of story and character build it is based upon. If you're that thirsty for half-dressed females you can always go look at a playboy magazine, just don't let your mom find out

Originally Posted by Zarador

When I was introduced to Everquest way back in 1999 I met up with several friends in the game, all women. I bonded with them and they were rather flirtatious. One day I discovered that one of them, shockingly was a male playing a female. Dismayed, I confided in one of the other three at which point they responded that they were all guys playing females. Welcome to the forest Bambi!

Heh. That is one of the reasons for genuine female players NOT to dress in chainmail bikinis.

Originally Posted by JustEscape22

If you're that thirsty for half-dressed females you can always go look at a playboy magazine, just don't let your mom find out

Oh snap! The word I'm looking for is "BURN"!

*dies a little inside*

And here I thought this thread might be about making female dwarves an option so people could avoid having to question their sexual orientation every time a dwarf in a dress runs past them.

I means shesh. Did the OP even bother to look at just how tight some of those "grandma" dresses are through the bust and behind? I've seen street walkers in Detroit whose clothes left more to the imagination. Any more revealing and Frodo won't need to to throw the ring into Mount Doom to destroy Sauron. Just have Galadriel, Arwen, and Eowyn squeeze into something and sashay past him - he would die of explosive exsanguation and lack of oxygen reaching his (big) brain.

On behalf of the non-hormonal members of the male gender, I extend my sincerest apologies and condolences to any offended females present.

Originally Posted by whheydt

I doubt it would *confuse* him. Shock him, perhaps...but not confuse. On the other hand, he might just use the opportunity to buy a nice camisole for his wife.

Who would also be well over 100 years old, and thank you very much for *that* mental image.

Originally Posted by Ameranth

Who would also be well over 100 years old, and thank you very much for *that* mental image.

In fact, she was a couple of years older than he was, and there's no reason she couldn't wear a nice lacy camisole which no-one but her husband could see.

Originally Posted by JustEscape22

I'm a girl... I admit I have NOTHING against lookin' all sexy and if I was in a different kind of game where revealing outfits were an option for toons I'd have nothing against people prancing around town in a thong... it would make me laugh! but as much as I favor cute skirts and high-heels, this is Lord of the Rings, not some anime-based game where the ladies are half-dressed. Not to mention Tolkien's world and the way the characters dressed would have been realistic for the time period it was inspired by. I'm glad the game creators stayed reasonable in that department, not to mention I enjoy the dark-age inspired wardrobe of dresses the game has to offer (though I'd like to see something more simular to what was featured in the films). It would be funny to look at, but to someone who appreciates the lore and culture that Tolkien created it would sort of cheapen things up.

Yay, the sweet voice of reason

If anything though slightly low-cut armour (if done tastefully) wouldn't be half bad considering most all the gowns are low-cut...

Armour should always look functional - that's a pet peeve of mine, the stuff's there to try to keep you from being killed, after all. Low-cut hauberks and *ahem* breastplates are really very silly

Originally Posted by Radhruin_EU

Yay, the sweet voice of reason


Armour should always look functional - that's a pet peeve of mine, the stuff's there to try to keep you from being killed, after all. Low-cut hauberks and *ahem* breastplates are really very silly

In the real world I can see breastplates -- as in wrought-iron or maybe -bronze bras, instead of actual breastplates which cover the whole torso -- as explicable in a culture in which (a) women fought in battle --and there were some of those -- and (b) metal was scarce and difficult to work. Such a fighting woman might acquire a pair of metallic breast protectors because they were what she could afford; she'd cover the rest of her body with leather, which would be more available and cheaper.

In the same way, a male fighter would, if he could, obtain a metal groinplate.

But in fact, if a fighter (male or female) could get *any*thing made of iron or bronze, it would be first a sword or axe, and second a helm.

The kind of minimal "armour" the OP and others have been talking about isn't really armour; it's an excuse to portray not-quite-naked females in a fantasy setting -- and not "fantasy" as Tolkien wrote it, but "fantasy" in the daydreams of ... as they used to say in the original Renaissance Faires in the sixties, lusty youths in whom the sap doth rise. The work of Frank Frazetta was the culmination of this trend, in the latter half of the twentieth century.

Tolkien was once a lusty youth in whom the sap did rise, but his thoughts were not about chicks in chainmail; they were about Edith Bratt, to whom he was forbidden to speak or write till he was twenty-one. That accomplished, they got married and lived happily ever after till they died.

As to the current generation of youths, they have REAL porn available to them on a million websites. Nobody needs chicks in chainmail in anything based on LotR.