So, many people on the forum have been asking about specific classes. However, this thread will be a general topic; a place where you can post about any race and class.
So, put what you think is the best class for each race stat-wise
Man:
Hobbit:
Dwarf:
Elf:
Also, are there any race/class combos that simply suck?
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Elves are one of the better choices for just about anything. If you choose your craft to be scholar ... "Return to Rivendell" makes that a lot less of a p.i.t.a.
Elves not only have the best starting zone but also have the bow bonus for Hunters and they look better than everyone else too. A lot of the classes were *loosely* based on Elven lore characters: Warden: Haldir, Minstrel: Luthien Tinuviel, Hunter: Legolas Greenleaf, Rune Keeper: Celbrimbor.
(I say loosely because if they were true to lore, Elves would be too powerful to play as player characters. Tolkein Elves were the shizzz. All other races paled in comparison to them.)
Dwarves ... well, they are short, ugly, greedy and smell bad (but make for great obstacles on Dwarf Hopping day). Lore classes based on Dwarves; Champion: Gimli, son of Gloin. Aside from my personal bias against them, they tend to make rather good Guardians. Besides Champ or Guard, I pretty much can't stand them in any other role and very few people actually excel at them.
Hobbits: Burglars and some Hobbit Mini's I have seen are really good. Hobbit lore based Class: Guard, Samwise gamgee (I know this makes very little sense) Burglar: Bilbo Baggins. Though many people think Hobbits make relatively poor guards, you will find those who contradict this as well.
The Race of Man: Lore Master; Gandalf the Grey and Captain: Boromir
However, men are the middle ground and tend to be good at all of the classes they have access to.
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Seconded. However I'd think Champions are also best played by Dwarves, as LM are best played by men. I think Hobbits do a fine job in most classes they play, and as for Elves, they don't have much going for them outside of Hunter imo.
Tekkud Demonstrates fail quite fashionably ... though I only give Tek a 1.3.
Elves are one of the better choices for just about anything. If you choose your craft to be scholar ... "Return to Rivendell" makes that a lot less of a p.i.t.a.
Elves not only have the best starting zone but also have the bow bonus for Hunters and they look better than everyone else too. A lot of the classes were *loosely* based on Elven lore characters: Warden: Haldir, Minstrel: Luthien Tinuviel, Hunter: Legolas Greenleaf, Rune Keeper: Celbrimbor.
(I say loosely because if they were true to lore, Elves would be too powerful to play as player characters. Tolkein Elves were the shizzz. All other races paled in comparison to them.)
Dwarves ... well, they are short, ugly, greedy and smell bad (but make for great obstacles on Dwarf Hopping day). Lore classes based on Dwarves; Champion: Gimli, son of Gloin. Aside from my personal bias against them, they tend to make rather good Guardians. Besides Champ or Guard, I pretty much can't stand them in any other role and very few people actually excel at them.
Hobbits: Burglars and some Hobbit Mini's I have seen are really good. Hobbit lore based Class: Guard, Samwise gamgee (I know this makes very little sense) Burglar: Bilbo Baggins. Though many people think Hobbits make relatively poor guards, you will find those who contradict this as well.
The Race of Man: Lore Master; Gandalf the Grey and Captain: Boromir
However, men are the middle ground and tend to be good at all of the classes they have access to.
Here, ladies and gentledwarves, we have a perfect example of the evil scourge that has fallen across our lands. I am unsure if it is troll or elf, as the two smell much the same, but the lack of intelligence demonstrated has caused me to conclude that what we have here is most likely trollish in nature.
He claims that fast travel to Rivendell makes being a scholar much easier. This would be true, save that the point is irrelevant, given that the Mathom-House has superior crafting facilities for scholars.
The elven starting zone is pink and pale green. What designer thought that would be a good idea, I do not know. Additionally, the starting zone features a number of elves moaning about how miserable their lives are, while the dwarves are fighting foes scarcely half a league away, in order to protect their homes AND the elven lands. If the elves are indeed superior, why must the dwarves fight for them? Do you think the loss of dwarven fathers and brothers who will never come home again weighs less heavily on the hearts of the Khazad than the few elven casualties that have been sustained?
Elves are the best race for hunters? There is a reason we call them huntards. They know nothing but pew-pew, drawing aggro from the stout tank, and wiping the raid. We have reasonably determined that the claim that classes were based off of characters was a falsehood, considering that Samwise did not wear heavy armor and carry a shield any more than Legolas set traps to snare his foes or Elrond carried a staff and had a polar bear following him everywhere and causing lag.
Elves should be too powerful for player characters? If that is true, why are you fading? That's right, because even hobbits are stronger than you. Admittedly this is due in part to number, seeing as how your kind appears unable to reproduce... is that due to the anatomical similarities between males and females making things a little... difficult?
Dwarves are ugly? A skinny, pale-skinned, beardless twig of an elf would think so. It is mere ignorance, so I forgive you for that. Noting your claim that elves look better than all other races, I would also like to remind you that we dwarves do not walk as if we had a three-foot stick up our bum-hole, unlike every male member of your auspicious race (at least I assume every male member... I really can't tell the difference much of the time, and neither can anybody else). We are also not as pale-skinned as a worm that has lived the last hundred years under a rock, and we are not thin to the point of a twig-like appearance... two things that cannot be said about your kin. Greedy? It is good to know that elves did not sunder continents, slay their kin, and cause two ages of warfare due to their lust for the Silmarils. Smell bad? You try working (I know, a foreign concept to an elf) in a mine for weeks on end, or slaving over a hot forge deep underground. We'll see how you reek then.
I find it amusing that you think that "very few people excel at them". Apparently the race of the character determines the skill of the player. This is news to me, and explains much about the quality of your average elf hunter.
Hobbits are terrible as anything but burglars; they would rather sit at home and drink tea and eat. They do not have the strength of body to bear heavy armor and a shield, much less against mighty foes to protect their fellows. The reason they can in-game is because every race needed a tank, healer, and ranged DPS, even if it makes no sense.
Men are stout fellows and well-suited to many things. Primarily because they are moderately sized, but not elves.
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I checked each classes' starting stats and I think this is how it goes.
Burglar: Hobbit. Why: Higher morale, higher power, hobbit-silence
Captain: Man. Why: Only option.
Champion: Man. Why: Higher agility, higher critical hit. Or Dwarf. Why? Higher morale. Pick which one you like.
Guardian: Hobbit. Why: Higher morale, and you NEED high morale to tank.
Hunter: They say it`s Elf, but I don`t see any evidence of this in the base stats... Oh yeah, it`s a trait
Lore-Master: Elf. Why: Higher power
Minstrel: Hobbit. Why? Higher morale AND power
Rune-Keeper: Dwarf. Why? Higher morale and might. And the ability top use melee weapons
Warden: Elf. High power, high agility.
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I checked each classes' starting stats and I think this is how it goes.
Burglar: Hobbit. Why: Higher morale, higher power, hobbit-silence
Captain: Man. Why: Only option.
Champion: Man. Why: Higher agility, higher critical hit. Or Dwarf. Why? Higher morale. Pick which one you like.
Guardian: Hobbit. Why: Higher morale, and you NEED high morale to tank.
Hunter: They say it`s Elf, but I don`t see any evidence of this in the base stats... Oh yeah, it`s a trait
Lore-Master: Elf. Why: Higher power
Minstrel: Hobbit. Why? Higher morale AND power
Rune-Keeper: Dwarf. Why? Higher morale and might. And the ability top use melee weapons
Warden: Elf. High power, high agility.
I have to question your choice of Elf for Warden. I have tried playing Warden as Elf, Man & Hobbit and can categorically state that Hobbit is the only one of the three that has remained unbeaten. Admittedly it sometimes has problems seeing over the surrounding grass and bushes, but it is a natural Warden and can take on challenges that I wouldn't even dare consider with an Elf!
Indeed, I delight in seeing Marksdorfs pierce foes from afar and hearing Minstrel-dorfs inspire their brethren with tales of striking the earth and delving deep.
Why do you need a swift travel to Rivendell because you're a scholar? There's absolutely no reason to go there unless you're playing in a time warp that is pre Dunnieland.......galtrev has everything.
Even though Endurance got nerfed badly, it's still better than Elf-Parry. And +75 vit FS buff is highly underrated.
Just another example of why all you elves are so wrong.....stuck in old ways.
Go build more boats and run away please, I think we Dorfs can handle it.
Dorf likes dorfs for their unsual colors and textures, and for their hardy drinks.
-Dorfortwuf
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Dorfs Gotta Dorf
A Dorf A Day
1 Dorf 2 Dorf Red Dorf Blue.....*wanders off afters shinies*
The elven starting zone is pink and pale green. What designer thought that would be a good idea, I do not know. Additionally, the starting zone features a number of elves moaning about how miserable their lives are, while the dwarves are fighting foes scarcely half a league away, in order to protect their homes AND the elven lands. If the elves are indeed superior, why must the dwarves fight for them? Do you think the loss of dwarven fathers and brothers who will never come home again weighs less heavily on the hearts of the Khazad than the few elven casualties that have been sustained?
Elves are the best race for hunters? There is a reason we call them blah blah blah *burp* blah
Thanks for the laugh. Dwarves would be one to make claims about the similarities between the males and females of elves. If you know your lore, this is the most laughable of your attempts.
Mathom House ... for which you actually can't enter until you have what standing is it again? Oh right. So, while people work towards getting Mathom house cred just so they can go in and work on scholar ... yeah you have demonstrated yet again why you fail. I suppose if you're a Hobbit scholar and constantly getting Mathom's there is some merit there but for the other races this is not so. Scholar's Guild is in where? DING DING DING RIVENDELL. Thank you for failing.
I love that you label me a troll when the trolling began with your post that ended /thread. You sir are demonstrating hypocrisy. bravo.
As to your other inane ramblings ... the Elven starting zone is beautiful and unsoiled by the evil and greed of the inhabitants while half a league away there are a group of bearded midgets digging into the earth and destroying the landscape at a pace which makes everything grey, plain and unsightly. Of course the colors in Elven lands are painful to you. To someone who sees nothing but the murk of dreary, dingy dark mines, colors might seem a fright. Knowing this, we shall forgive your lack of appreciation for actual beauty for the time being.
Even fading, Tolkein Elves are more powerful than most races. The Elves were smart enough to see their world disappearing and concluded that it was time to move on. Instead of living with the hubris of thinking that they were going to be able to continue with the breeders and somehow compete or be accepted *ahem*. Dwarves too are fading, they just refuse to see it. No one can account for their lack of foresight but ... it's that lack of foresight which makes their failure so fun to watch when replaying the Fall of Moria.
And yes, Dwarves are ugly. Short, fat, overly-hairy, neolithic facial features and short stumpy legs sitting under a brine keg. It is not ignorance to simply state what is so obvious to see. Dwarves could not walk with a three foot stick in their bum-hole (as you so eloquently put about Elven males ... though I would have to agree that they do seem a bit ... uptight) ... at that point they would be 2 feet off the ground and impaled. And again with the male/female similarities. Must be difficult when selecting a female dwarf ... I mean so meany beard styles to choose from. Please. Surely, you can do better than that. Wonder how many poor dwarves fell asleep in the mines and started rubbing their wives beards, woke up to some mack-daddy love-fest and were in shock to realize that their best buddy was having the same dream. "Where's your hand?" "Between two pillows." "THOSE AREN'T PILLOWS!" ... "How about that Balrog?!"
Haha you bring up the Silmarils. How long ago was that? how often did something like that happen? Oh yeah, once ... two ages for elves is like a day and a half for you short lived races. How many times have the Dwarves through their greed unleashed evil through and around Moria? How many of them can't run a parcel between Durin's Way and the Chamber of the Crossroads without asking actual better people to go do it for them? How many complain about how their was once trade between the Elves and the Dwarves? Oh right, you know if the Dwarves had listened they wouldn't be in this mess. But greed ... a whole other animal undid that. Blame the Elves though ... great way to deflect responsibility. Slaving, working ... not a foreign concept ... at least the working part. But when you're long lived, you need not toil away every single day ... wasting your life trying to build something that you will be too dead to enjoy. Must be rough. Oh look. Another beautiful sunrise. Too bad that dwarf is dead ... at least he left a nice carved rock behind. This will make a great table for the hobbits to dance upon. I shall invite them over later.
You know nothing of the quality of my Elven hunter. I have played with several players who play Dwarves and among them I know of perhaps three that really excel with the race and class they chose ... but in the pug's when I see a Dwarf Mini or Rk, I know to quickly find another team. I have found far more skilled players who play the race of men, elves and dare I say hobbits. I won't ascribe your playing style because I don't know you. While I am enjoying this nerd-fest tet-a-tet, I will refrain from that judgement.
Hobbits are fine folk whom know the value of sitting back and enjoying the fruits of their labour. they know how to appreciate the world around them. Men have yet to prove themselves. despite the failings of Isildur, they still show great promise. We Elves leave a proud history behind and even the Dwarves at one time could have said that. Thorin's hall is a fine ruin that the humans will one day point to and talk about the finer points of Dwarven craftsmanship. The beautiful forests and fading monuments of the Elves will be mentioned in stories but ultimately both of our races will be forgotten. We'll be over in Valinor ... you'll be well ... yeah.
This has been a fun exchange. I would still submit that the trolling began long before I posted here. I think you were just surprised someone would actually stand up to you. Be well half-stack.
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Why do you need a swift travel to Rivendell because you're a scholar?
Even though Endurance got nerfed badly, it's still better than Dwarf cries. Broooook katchoo!
Just another example of why all you dwarves are so wrong.....stuck in lameness.
Go carve more rocks and pawn off your failures please, I think we Elves are amazing.
Elf likes Elf for their grace a, charm and beauty as well as colors and textures, and for their wonderful lore.
-godzundheit
Scholars Guild is located in Rivendell. Unless you have a friend/kinmate port or summon you to Dunland, you're going to Riv. For experienced players this is probably an easy prospect for newer players (as was probably the case with OP) that may not be as easy a task.
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Quite easy
Dwarf: Guardian & Champ, Because: more Vitality and Might with such things as dwarf endurance, + vitality and the block rating as racials, not to mention the often used map to Thorins, more fate and Headbutt.
Men: Captain, LM & Warden, Because: Man heal is a benefactor, you'll also get the 20 more will + the 2% morale thingy. IICR there is this trait which gives 400 to evade, block & parry too? Also you will get that handy map to Bree.
Elf: Hunter, Runekeeper, Because: more agility, 2% more power, that 75% parry for 10sec and the stealth and more Fate with map to Rivendell.
Hobbit: Burg, Mini, Because: Play Dead, 1 hope, throw stone, map to Michel Delving and the stealth.
“Progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things”
If it's a non-leveling alt, there's no reason to need the port to Rivendell, because you won't be moving around. The race zones are all pretty closely linked by swift anyways. Race ports are nice, but the purpose they serve playing isn't specifically to go to one of them as much as have an extra non-milestone port while adventuring. Unless you are spending a lot of time in each of the zones leveling or hanging out, but even then you have a milestone for a reason. Race ports aren't that big of a deal. But 21st and galtrev are the 2 best hubs.
You don't have to 'work' for mathoms. There's a reason half the zones drop mathoms. Because the shire itself sucks.
Elves 'see the land fading'? They are the morons who helped sauron take power.
Elves are intentionally a-sexual.
Dorfs hide their women. Big difference.
Who was the first to kill? Elves.
Hey Sauron came back? Let's all build boats and run away.
If you don't run with people based immediately on race that's called racist.
Let's add racist to the traits for elves.
As for man, the 5% inc healing is their biggest boon, with man heal a close second. BPE is nice, but inc healing is always important, whereas bpe isn't if you aren't being physically smacked. Man also has their Lore book reward from part of the Dunnieland story, another 2% inc healing.
Dorf endurance of stone is and has been the best defensive racial trait, even though it got nerfed. Because mits are better than parry. You can mit things that you can't parry. That's just base mechanics.
Dorfs Gotta Dorf
A Dorf A Day
1 Dorf 2 Dorf Red Dorf Blue.....*wanders off afters shinies*
I know it's hard for elves to type and spell, but it's not brok. Idk if it's the overbearing sense of hypocrisy turning your beloved trees into escape vehicles or soft hands unable to grab a quill firmly, but it's baruk. I know dorfs invented spelling and words and language, but come on, you are just embarrassing yourself.
Dorfs Gotta Dorf
A Dorf A Day
1 Dorf 2 Dorf Red Dorf Blue.....*wanders off afters shinies*
I know it's hard for elves to type and spell, but it's not brok. Idk if it's the overbearing sense of hypocrisy turning your beloved trees into escape vehicles or soft hands unable to grab a quill firmly, but it's baruk. I know dorfs invented spelling and words and language, but come on, you are just embarrassing yourself.
Yawn. It was intentionally misspelled. You midgets are so easily riled.
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Midget is offensive. So you are admittedly racist, elitist, vegetarian, a-sexual, tree hugging, dishonorable, cowardly, flowery and discriminatory.
Let's add those trats
I misspelled that on purpose.
You need to take your atitude somewhere else, this game is not about hate, greed, cowardice, name-calling, discrimination, or put-downs. You need to respect other players and people because pretty soon you'll find all the fellowships you try to join 'full'...
Dorfs Gotta Dorf
A Dorf A Day
1 Dorf 2 Dorf Red Dorf Blue.....*wanders off afters shinies*
Midget is offensive. So you are admittedly racist, elitist, vegetarian, a-sexual, tree hugging, dishonorable, cowardly, flowery and discriminatory.
Let's add those trats
I misspelled that on purpose.
You need to take your atitude somewhere else, this game is not about hate, greed, cowardice, name-calling, discrimination, or put-downs. You need to respect other players and people because pretty soon you'll find all the fellowships you try to join 'full'...
Every word in your post is offensive. But thank you for proving my point on how easy it is to get a rise out of you.
You have successfully sucked the life out of this thread. While Tekkud actually got the fun in the back and forth jabs, you seem to want to make this personal. I have no interest in that. As far as taking my attitude elsewhere, I will. I recommend you do the same.
this game is not about hate, greed, cowardice, name-calling, discrimination, or put-downs. You need to respect other players and people because pretty soon you'll find all the fellowships you try to join 'full'
I agree and this was a fun conversation. Somewhere the tone changed ... oh yes, when you started posting. So take your hypocrisy along with your attitude elsewhere.
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As entertaining as it is to see you both display a array of pointless fighting you are forgetting the facts of each race
Elves are knock out easy
Dorfs are tossable
Hobbits are puntable
And Men are greedy.
As entertaining as it is to see you both display a array of pointless fighting you are forgetting the facts of each race
Elves are knock out easy
Dorfs are tossable
Hobbits are puntable
And Men are greedy.
The End
/laughs and drinks to that
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I came across this thread in the hopes of learning about what class traits to use.
Alas, instead I found one of THE funniest debates between elves and dwarfs online. For both sides, the writing was simply elegant, rich with wit, and so hysterical, I had to step away from my screen so I could, ahem, ROFL.
Tekkud and Vilmaril deserve high reps! "+Rep" to you both!
I came across this thread in the hopes of learning about what class traits to use.
Alas, instead I found one of THE funniest debates between elves and dwarfs online. For both sides, the writing was simply elegant, rich with wit, and so hysterical, I had to step away from my screen so I could, ahem, ROFL.
Tekkud and Vilmaril deserve high reps! "+Rep" to you both!
Stat advantages/disadvantages can be remedied IMO. It boils down to preference. Personally I can't associate anything but the Burglar with Hobbits, with the exception of Hunter with limitations. (The Guardian being inspired by Sam Gamgee is a pointless marketing tidbit and the Mr. Gamgee in the game has a couple words to say about it )
As I see it the Dwarves are the best fit for a Guardian with their enduring nature and stout stature. Elves make good Hunters and RK's though I went with a Dwarf RK. My Champion, LM and Mini are Men (the Mini being a lady ). Captains are hard-coded to be Men so we can't do anything about it, not at least right now.
As for Wardens... Well, I usually don't like over-powered and outbalanced classes but for sake of obsessive completeness I'll make one someday and because of the concern of racial and sexual balance among my toons it will be an Elven lady
I came across this thread in the hopes of learning about what class traits to use.
Alas, instead I found one of THE funniest debates between elves and dwarfs online. For both sides, the writing was simply elegant, rich with wit, and so hysterical, I had to step away from my screen so I could, ahem, ROFL.
Tekkud and Vilmaril deserve high reps! "+Rep" to you both!
Seconded, I couldn't believe the quality of the debate between dwarves and elves as I saw it on screen in this age!!
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). Captains are hard-coded to be Men so we can't do anything about it, not at least right now.
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