Thread: FA vs Moors Swap Weapon

I am curious to see what champs in the Moors are doing if they have a FA weapon built for PvE. Assuming you do not have a second FA, are you switching to SA that has a Moors legacy build or sticking with your FA? I am a DW and undecided if I want to make 2H SA weapon for the Moors. Loss of DPS vs Moors-type legacies (sprint, hamstring, horn) and higher spike damage.

Keep SD CD and sprint duration on a swap weapon, junk third age. Problem solved.

Originally Posted by Lookslegit

Keep SD CD and sprint duration on a swap weapon, junk third age. Problem solved.

Thanks Lookslegit but I am talking about First Age vs Second Age

I'd keep my Moors weapon even if it was a SA compared to swapping in a PvE FA. Don't think the DPS increase is worth all the swapping I'd do or the difference in relics.

Don't need hamstring duration with 3 pcs of the moors set. Sprint/SD on a swap weapon. Stick with your first age for +~10% damage.

Hammie range (the important one IMO) is on your Rune Stone anyways. Agree with other posters that swap for sprint on anything else. If you like rend bleed buff then put it on your FA anyway as imo its great for both PvP and PVE.

As a Champ, if I had a FA, I'd never use anything else.

talk to me about this SD/Sprint on a swap. So, swap in the cheap third age and pop SD and swap back to the 2h?

Originally Posted by Tarenius

Don't need hamstring duration with 3 pcs of the moors set. Sprint/SD on a swap weapon. Stick with your first age for +~10% damage.

Don't need that set (as its entirely useless) if you just legacy hamstring and go with melee defence on frenzy and bracing triple cure. The set bonuses aren't even close to equivalent.

Originally Posted by Nuth_KM

talk to me about this SD/Sprint on a swap. So, swap in the cheap third age and pop SD and swap back to the 2h?

Generally yeah but you need to wait for the goofy 1-2s animation to complete otherwise the CD legacy won't take affect.

Originally Posted by Lookslegit

Generally yeah but you need to wait for the goofy 1-2s animation to complete otherwise the CD legacy won't take affect.

I often curse the "immediate" animation of Sudden Defence.

Sudden Defense swapping works fine once you get the hang of it. Tremendous waste of points (along with the sprint legacy) on a primary weapon.

As to the OP, sticking with your first ager and using the relevant moors legacies on a swap weapon is your best bet. If your first ager is a 1H and you want to be rolling 2H for the moors, then weapon swapping (building fervour with the first age 1H then swapping to a 2nd age 2H to use brutal/clobber or auto crit) will be the most effective in my experience; otherwise I would just stick with the first age.

Imho, it's easier to make a PVP FA and then still use it in PVE. PVE is less challenging; you don't need to max out every single little thing there to succeed.

Originally Posted by Otdanon

Imho, it's easier to make a PVP FA and then still use it in PVE. PVE is less challenging; you don't need to max out every single little thing there to succeed.

You really don't need to in PvP either. A lot of people go out of their way to *not* do it, in fact.

I see the advantages of swapping. However, I also abhor it. It feels out of place, not right, not IC. And it is cumbersome - I will not stoop to macro-ed play.

Is swapping truly needed as a Champion? Can we not win without it?

Originally Posted by Rainothon

I see the advantages of swapping. However, I also abhor it. It feels out of place, not right, not IC. And it is cumbersome - I will not stoop to macro-ed play.

Is swapping truly needed as a Champion? Can we not win without it?

Of course you can get by without swapping. But like most things, having it is necessary if you want to optimize yourself.

Use of hotkeys/adept clicking can entirely negate the 'clunkiness' of swapping. I have a swap weapon and rune, as well as constantly swapping between DW/2H in my rotation. It just takes practice and a good setup (mouse buttons help a lot too).

Originally Posted by MaroonDragoon

You really don't need to in PvP either. A lot of people go out of their way to *not* do it, in fact.

I know, but I have never understood the motivation of people who gear down, saying they want the fights to be "fair". Anyway, part of the time any player is getting attacked by way more attackers than he can handle. Under these circumstances I don't understand why I should go easy on my opponents, who can sometimes group up and kill me without any risk (since they are healing each other). On the contrary, I would prefer my char to be as OP as possible (to a reasonable extent) to fight back efficiently.

Maybe if someone is a 1 vs 1 fanatic who has to offer odds to make people fight him, then yes, I see the point. But why do it in regular pvp?

Originally Posted by Otdanon

I know, but I have never understood the motivation of people who gear down, saying they want the fights to be "fair". Anyway, part of the time any player is getting attacked by way more attackers than he can handle. Under these circumstances I don't understand why I should go easy on my opponents, who can sometimes group up and kill me without any risk (since they are healing each other). On the contrary, I would prefer my char to be as OP as possible (to a reasonable extent) to fight back efficiently.

Maybe if someone is a 1 vs 1 fanatic who has to offer odds to make people fight him, then yes, I see the point. But why do it in regular pvp?

I'm not saying you shouldn't try to optimize your gear for PvP. I'm just disagreeing with the statement that you need to max out every single little thing to succeed in the Moors.