Thread: Freeps wiped with 3 to 1 numbers

Good fights yesterday i had a group of 7 creeps that rolled the 25+ freeps in tr 4 times
and 2 times at ec. Well i think there was about 15 at ec but 7 of us did a good job.
Dunuf was leading them i think thats why it was fail
All the creeps in my group were rank 9+ and vets so this helped lots.

creeps are op

I love this kind of thread. I love the selective details, the bragging and the call outs. This thread has it all.

Some questions, because I'm genuinely interested...

Was TR blue? If it was, you guys rock, if it wasn't, meh.

Were you the ONLY creeps there? If you were, you guys rock, if you weren't, meh.

Were all of the freeps vets or moderately experienced outside of a zergball scenario? If they were, you guys rock, if not, meh.

You see I've once wiped a raid of 12 creeps solo, they were on the CG in a keep, I took down the healer quick, then the tank, then the cg pretty much did the rest. It was fun, but the circumstances were in my favour. Worth bragging about? Only if I need to compensate for something.

This other time, I was in a group of just me, and I wiped a creep raid of 24 in the open field. There were 6billion freeps there too at the time, but so far as you're concerned, I was solo, all the creeps died, I am a legend. Let me make a thread..... Oh wait, no, sorry, thought I was compensating for something again there.

Anyway cool thread, definitely +rep from me......

Originally Posted by pibob314

I love this kind of thread. I love the selective details, the bragging and the call outs. This thread has it all.

Some questions, because I'm genuinely interested...

Was TR blue? If it was, you guys rock, if it wasn't, meh.

Were you the ONLY creeps there? If you were, you guys rock, if you weren't, meh.

Were all of the freeps vets or moderately experienced outside of a zergball scenario? If they were, you guys rock, if not, meh.

You see I've once wiped a raid of 12 creeps solo, they were on the CG in a keep, I took down the healer quick, then the tank, then the cg pretty much did the rest. It was fun, but the circumstances were in my favour. Worth bragging about? Only if I need to compensate for something.

This other time, I was in a group of just me, and I wiped a creep raid of 24 in the open field. There were 6billion freeps there too at the time, but so far as you're concerned, I was solo, all the creeps died, I am a legend. Let me make a thread..... Oh wait, no, sorry, thought I was compensating for something again there.

Anyway cool thread, definitely +rep from me......

hahahahaahahahahahah thats why we all love u wulf =D

Originally Posted by pibob314

This other time, I was in a group of just me,

And this other time, at band camp....

I wasn't leading, nice try though.


And really, it's no surprise that creeps wipe freeps more often than not. Freeps rarely have power (Thank you flies) Are usually outnumbered and have to deal with 7 audacity creeps that don't have the drawbacks that the freeps have.

That and the creeps have the advantage in healing. 3-1 numbers don't really mean much if you have 3 defilers and 2 warleaders, no amount of freep DPS can punch through that.

Originally Posted by pibob314

I love this kind of thread. I love the selective details, the bragging and the call outs. This thread has it all.

Some questions, because I'm genuinely interested...

Was TR blue? If it was, you guys rock, if it wasn't, meh.

Were you the ONLY creeps there? If you were, you guys rock, if you weren't, meh.

Were all of the freeps vets or moderately experienced outside of a zergball scenario? If they were, you guys rock, if not, meh.

You see I've once wiped a raid of 12 creeps solo, they were on the CG in a keep, I took down the healer quick, then the tank, then the cg pretty much did the rest. It was fun, but the circumstances were in my favour. Worth bragging about? Only if I need to compensate for something.

This other time, I was in a group of just me, and I wiped a creep raid of 24 in the open field. There were 6billion freeps there too at the time, but so far as you're concerned, I was solo, all the creeps died, I am a legend. Let me make a thread..... Oh wait, no, sorry, thought I was compensating for something again there.

Anyway cool thread, definitely +rep from me......

+1

Now since that is out of the way someone was saying difference between mini/rk/ and def/warleader. Assuming of high rank on the creeps and since I played all 4 at end game in moors here is the ranking.
1. Mini
2. Rk (for the versatility)
3. Defiler
4. Warleader

By the way +1 more rep for wulfie (if I could). Heck even I could brag about my LM single handedly killing a full raid of creeps in TA as I have done that before. However, they only had one healer, it was back with full CC in effect, and not a darn one of them tried to hit me. Meaningful, not in the slightest. Fun? Fraking hell yeah!

Originally Posted by gleowine

+1

Now since that is out of the way someone was saying difference between mini/rk/ and def/warleader. Assuming of high rank on the creeps and since I played all 4 at end game in moors here is the ranking.
1. Mini
2. Rk (for the versatility)
3. Defiler
4. Warleader

By the way +1 more rep for wulfie (if I could). Heck even I could brag about my LM single handedly killing a full raid of creeps in TA as I have done that before. However, they only had one healer, it was back with full CC in effect, and not a darn one of them tried to hit me. Meaningful, not in the slightest. Fun? Fraking hell yeah!

1. Mini - 6-7k morale very squishy
2. Rk (for the versatility) - 6-7k morale more squishy than minie
3. Defiler - 15k+ morale lower heals than RK and minie hard to kill, also with more in a group can leave the oposite raid whitout power
4. Warleader - up to 20k morale very hard to kill plus he can buble the defilers

I know minies are OP , rk's can do some insane dmg , but they die in 3 seconds as well when they are primary target in raids , oposite to WL's and defilers
So 1 defiler alive is better than 3 dead minies

Originally Posted by Sharkyrra

1. Mini - 6-7k morale very squishy
2. Rk (for the versatility) - 6-7k morale more squishy than minie
3. Defiler - 15k+ morale lower heals than RK and minie hard to kill, also with more in a group can leave the oposite raid whitout power
4. Warleader - up to 20k morale very hard to kill plus he can buble the defilers

I know minies are OP , rk's can do some insane dmg , but they die in 3 seconds as well when they are primary target in raids , oposite to WL's and defilers
So 1 defiler alive is better than 3 dead minies

seen 1 rk outhealing craids dps on him self??

Originally Posted by sarefx

seen 1 rk outhealing craids dps on him self??

I used to be able to pull this off. Since update 6 however I can still put out a ton o heals once attuned but, I cant outheal an entire raid anymore.

Between interupts, fears, stuns, knockdowns and creeps increased DPS its just not possible as long as it once was. Which by the way is a good thing. I never should have been able to outheal 24 creeps punding on me as long as I could before U6.

I can still heal through a raid focus fire for a few seconds 2-3 maybe 5 if i get really lucky and if Im fully attuned and everything is off CD. Where as back in Moria days I could outheal a raid of creeps for 30 secs or better.

As someone else mentioned though......You cant directly compare creep/freep healers. All healing classes in the right hands are very effective both sides.

Originally Posted by FatherDamien

I used to be able to pull this off. Since update 6 however I can still put out a ton o heals once attuned but, I cant outheal an entire raid anymore.

Between interupts, fears, stuns, knockdowns and creeps increased DPS its just not possible as long as it once was. Which by the way is a good thing. I never should have been able to outheal 24 creeps punding on me as long as I could before U6.

I can still heal through a raid focus fire for a few seconds 2-3 maybe 5 if i get really lucky and if Im fully attuned and everything is off CD. Where as back in Moria days I could outheal a raid of creeps for 30 secs or better.

As someone else mentioned though......You cant directly compare creep/freep healers. All healing classes in the right hands are very effective both sides.

Watch Celebraena sometime...

Originally Posted by Tumgruk

Freeps rarely have power (Thank you flies)

Flies is a single target power debuff and even if quite potent, it take a while to totally drain a target out of power. I would estimate about 60 seconds for an average minstrel. Theres no way this skill can affect a whole raid, given the current amount of minstrel playing in the Moors.

Originally Posted by Tumgruk

Are usually outnumbered and have to deal with 7 audacity creeps that don't have the drawbacks that the freeps have.

This argument is irrelevent. Both side are outnumbered sometimes, its not something specific to freeps. As for Audacity, its a stat available to both side as well.

Originally Posted by Tumgruk

That and the creeps have the advantage in healing. 3-1 numbers don't really mean much if you have 3 defilers and 2 warleaders, no amount of freep DPS can punch through that.

This is possibly one of the most absurd argument ever made in those forums. A decent minstrel can outheal any defilerS hands down while a properly healing traited captain can outheal a WL.

I tested my maximum healing output a few week ago and posted the results in PvP section. I scored about 800-900 HPS (Heal Per Seconds) in optimum conditions (out of combat) while Wallet on his minstrel (and far from being top geared) scored 1400-1500 HPS, which is almost DOUBLE.

Hell, even a warden conviction can outheal me (proven fact).

Originally Posted by whitefox1313

Flies is a single target power debuff and even if quite potent, it take a while to totally drain a target out of power. I would estimate about 60 seconds for an average minstrel. Theres no way this skill can affect a whole raid, given the current amount of minstrel playing in the Moors.

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The flies drain power to all around them, if they are supposed to be single target power drain they are bugged and not working as intended .

Originally Posted by whitefox1313

This is possibly one of the most absurd argument ever made in those forums. A decent minstrel can outheal any defilerS hands down while a properly healing traited captain can outheal a WL.

I tested my maximum healing output a few week ago and posted the results in PvP section. I scored about 800-900 HPS (Heal Per Seconds) in optimum conditions (out of combat) while Wallet on his minstrel (and far from being top geared) scored 1400-1500 HPS, which is almost DOUBLE.

A dead ministrel HPS=0 while a defiler one =800-900 HPS , even so 90% of the creeps have over 15k morale while 90% of the freeps have under 8k morale.

Originally Posted by Sharkyrra

The flies drain power to all around them, if they are supposed to be single target power drain they are bugged and not working as intended .




A dead ministrel HPS=0 while a defiler one =800-900 HPS , even so 90% of the creeps have over 15k morale while 90% of the freeps have under 8k morale.

I'd say both whitefox and you are correct.


You have to remember Max HP and When the healing occurs, both timing of heals as well as Hots vs Singles.


I have seen those flies force a freep raid to retreat yesterday, The minstrels were stuck in combat for some time and completely ran out of power.

I however get in and out of combat so often from killing or being killed, I really have never had a problem with power.

Originally Posted by Sharkyrra

The flies drain power to all around them, if they are supposed to be single target power drain they are bugged and not working as intended .

Hummm...Do you have any proof of that? Quite frankly, im using my flies only in 1vs1, since given the current fighting pace, i see this skill as a waiste of time in raid vs raid situation, since targets die very fast.

Originally Posted by Sharkyrra

A dead ministrel HPS=0 while a defiler one =800-900 HPS , even so 90% of the creeps have over 15k morale while 90% of the freeps have under 8k morale.

Your maths are terribly wrong here bro. About 40-50% of the total creeps population at any given moment are wargs players. And the standard warg have around 11-12k morale. The only creeps with such high morale pool are WL and they are very few playing now. Defilers may hit the 15k bar if WL buffed AND morale traited, but we are also few to play the class anymore.

As for freeps, the average would be more toward the 9-10k even if a few can in fact run with less than 8k.

Originally Posted by whitefox1313

Flies is a single target power debuff and even if quite potent, it take a while to totally drain a target out of power. I would estimate about 60 seconds for an average minstrel. Theres no way this skill can affect a whole raid, given the current amount of minstrel playing in the Moors.

Atm the flies have an AOE effect. I just have to be in a certain range of them to be affected. It takes much less than 60 seconds on classes that do not have a high power regen. The flies also seem to stack which brings the power drain up signifigantly.

Is it possible there bugged?

Originally Posted by FatherDamien

I used to be able to pull this off. Since update 6 however I can still put out a ton o heals once attuned but, I cant outheal an entire raid anymore.

Between interupts, fears, stuns, knockdowns and creeps increased DPS its just not possible as long as it once was. Which by the way is a good thing. I never should have been able to outheal 24 creeps punding on me as long as I could before U6.

I can still heal through a raid focus fire for a few seconds 2-3 maybe 5 if i get really lucky and if Im fully attuned and everything is off CD. Where as back in Moria days I could outheal a raid of creeps for 30 secs or better.

As someone else mentioned though......You cant directly compare creep/freep healers. All healing classes in the right hands are very effective both sides.

Celebraena outhealed plok's raids dps more than once after update 6. I seen it with my own eyes and all creeps that been in a raid, of course she had SI and couple captain buffs, but still one healer against a craid?? and yes they had captain, but captain healing sucks they have like 1 dependent heal and 2 HoTs if they traited right and have right shield brother, so it wouldnt have made a big impact.

Just putting my input in, flies definitely have an AoE powerdrain it's what makes them so awful in raid on raid atm and you can tell when there's a Defiler or two around because you'll see a fellowship or two completely drained out of power..I've been having to use Song-Brother much more than usual.

As for running away I'm not sure if it's entirely possible, they're either just as fast or faster than standard run speed which makes it a pain, can't be slowed either.

Originally Posted by caddy776

Atm the flies have an AOE effect. I just have to be in a certain range of them to be affected. It takes much less than 60 seconds on classes that do not have a high power regen. The flies also seem to stack which brings the power drain up signifigantly.

Is it possible there bugged?

It seems to WAI. The skill description use both single and plurial form (i joined a SS so you can see by yourself) which explain my (honest) mistake. My bad. I didnt realized that the skill power drain was AoE, and certainly not that it could also stack. If so, then yes, its a bit OP.

1) Traited Flies are AoE power drain. They can drain a melee class with less than 2k power in ~30 seconds. About a minute for a high power pool class, but then, it's rarely the only power drain ticking + banners. Yes, they can wipe raids if not handled properly. They of course have 12.8k morale. At any rate, they affect everyone in a radius. They're very, very powerful.

2) RKs can pump out more healing than minstrels can and they can do so uninterrupted (with SI support). Small group RKs with good allies are simply unstoppable. See Garny's recent video for reference. RK healers > minstrel healers in the Moors IMO.

3) Defilers/WLs are far tougher than healing minstrels OR healing RKs so HPpS is really not even a terribly useful measure in the Moors IMO. Overhealing a target is completely useless.


Carry on!

Last night, I corpsejumped Cyntwo... THRICE.
Last night, I rezzed Cyntwo............. NONE

Originally Posted by Jungleghost

Last night, I corpsejumped Cyntwo... THRICE.
Last night, I rezzed Cyntwo............. NONE

Sars can tank keeps!

Originally Posted by whitefox1313

Hummm...Do you have any proof of that? Quite frankly, im using my flies only in 1vs1, since given the current fighting pace, i see this skill as a waiste of time in raid vs raid situation, since targets die very fast.

Bio: IIRC pre U6 or perhaps ROI flies were single target (might have been the difference btwn normal and imp flies).. either way, they do effect multiple targets currently. Flies are a great gift to give a heavy as he is running back into the safety of his healers.

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

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2) RKs can pump out more healing than minstrels can and they can do so uninterrupted (with SI support). Small group RKs with good allies are simply unstoppable. See Garny's recent video for reference. RK (Cel) healers > minstrel healers in the Moors IMO.

3) Defilers/WLs are far tougher than healing minstrels OR healing RKs so HPpS is really not even a terribly useful measure in the Moors IMO. Overhealing a target is completely useless.

Your statements seem to contradict each other. I don't see how you could possibly think any Defiler/WL is tougher than Cellebriana(sp?) when it comes to healing/survivability in small to mid combat. You could perhaps state that it is due in part to "RKs with good allies" but the end result doesn't change.

Take any Defiler/WL give them 3 creep companions any rank any class, doesn't matter, no way can they take even a fraction of the beating Cel can take. I realize that Cel/Garny/Basslion might have the best gear(no idea actually) and obviously they are solid players, but the mechanics available to them as freeps simply don't exist for creeps.

Originally Posted by Fraegster

Bio: IIRC pre U6 or perhaps ROI flies were single target (might have been the difference btwn normal and imp flies).. either way, they do effect multiple targets currently. Flies are a great gift to give a heavy as he is running back into the safety of his healers.

Flies r OP, if I can take one skill our of defilers it will be flies without a doubt lol

Originally Posted by Fraegster

Your statements seem to contradict each other. I don't see how you could possibly think any Defiler/WL is tougher than Cellebriana(sp?) when it comes to healing/survivability in small to mid combat. You could perhaps state that it is due in part to "RKs with good allies" but the end result doesn't change.

WLs and Defilers are built to withstand a ton more damage than a freep light armor. That's what I mean. Not talking about game mechanics (which favor GROUPED freeps obviously). Talking basic character models. The issue about HPpS is really very much secondary IMO. It doesn't matter we can overheal our targets is my point.

Look at the silly screeny I posted above. A freep light armor cannot do that. Not a perfect illustration but ...

Your argument is flawed. I am a god.

Originally Posted by pibob314

I love this kind of thread. I love the selective details, the bragging and the call outs. This thread has it all.

Some questions, because I'm genuinely interested...

Was TR blue? If it was, you guys rock, if it wasn't, meh.

Were you the ONLY creeps there? If you were, you guys rock, if you weren't, meh.

Were all of the freeps vets or moderately experienced outside of a zergball scenario? If they were, you guys rock, if not, meh.

You see I've once wiped a raid of 12 creeps solo, they were on the CG in a keep, I took down the healer quick, then the tank, then the cg pretty much did the rest. It was fun, but the circumstances were in my favour. Worth bragging about? Only if I need to compensate for something.

This other time, I was in a group of just me, and I wiped a creep raid of 24 in the open field. There were 6billion freeps there too at the time, but so far as you're concerned, I was solo, all the creeps died, I am a legend. Let me make a thread..... Oh wait, no, sorry, thought I was compensating for something again there.

Anyway cool thread, definitely +rep from me......

Ahhh wulfhram my fav hunter on this server i think all hunters should play like you bro.
1= tr was red shame on us we should have took our 7 creeps and charged the 25+ freeps in the open.
2= No we were not the only creeps there but the only creeps doing anything.
3= Yes it was 90% vets and others so really keep should have fliped blue.
We even wiped then all in flag room with no npc's just the chaos of freeps was funny.

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

WLs and Defilers are built to withstand a ton more damage than a freep light armor. That's what I mean. Not talking about game mechanics (which favor GROUPED freeps obviously). Talking basic character models.

Hummmm... ==>

Armour level: Biohazzard 5643 Jaiyne 5580 ==> Even

Physical Mitigation: Biohazzard 5643 Jaiyne 5092 ==> Defiler by 10%

Tactical Mitigation: Biohazzard 5643 Jaiyne 7903 ==> Minstrel by 40%

Resistance: Biohazzard 3124 Jaiyne 8885 ==> Minstrel by 150%


Where exactly do you see this clear advantage i would have over you? I admit i graduated from Sars Ninjery Lol and Stuff school, but aside of this?

Originally Posted by whitefox1313

Hummmm... ==>

Armour level: Biohazzard 5643 Jaiyne 5580 ==> Even

Physical Mitigation: Biohazzard 5643 Jaiyne 5092 ==> Defiler by 10%

Tactical Mitigation: Biohazzard 5643 Jaiyne 7903 ==> Minstrel by 40%

Resistance: Biohazzard 3124 Jaiyne 8885 ==> Minstrel by 150%


Where exactly do you see this clear advantage i would have over you? I admit i graduated from Sars Ninjery Lol and Stuff school, but aside of this?

Nowhere did I ever say advantage...

Of course they're not going to be carbon copies (not to mention, Jaiyne is very geared and traited). But I think you need to look more closely at your character within game to see how you're built to be able to take more damage than a minstrel or RK. You'd have to be able to, with the way freep damage is. That is why when creep mitigations were borked, it was a slaughter. They're probably not even high enough in fact.

Morale
BEP
Mitigations
Resistances
Audacity

These are the measures - outside of your skills - that account for your specific ability to absorb a certain amount of damage while you're healing yourself or others. You play a sturdy class. You're not going to be as tanky as a WL, ofc.

So here`s a situation :

I tested out the LM Raven buffs with Anunakai the other day
Raven gave him 1315 Shadow mitigation + when active the raven gave another 30% shadow mitigation and a huge Azz evade buff..

Now lately i`ve encountered with creep raids that when we meet up with Garny`s group , at first it was near impossible to take their ''perfect circle'' of group buffs that pretty much made Garny/Celebreana/Stardayn/Baslion indestructable.
And i know some of you may think differently but with my experience lately ive been taking out the Ravens out first , forget garny and his crew i just hit the raven and kill it first to remove all those mitigations and evades , and that group started to fall by this order :

Raven ( Baylife )
Celebreana
Garny
Stardayn

Now i see all these freeps crying about the flies sucking out power ?
news flash people.... try taking out the flies first , i know its hard to resist the temptation of blowing up a creep warg/ba/spiders squishes or whatever but try to take out the flies first to remove the problem.

You dont see us cry about the raven and its buffs eh ?
Change your priority and you might have different results

Originally Posted by Gell

Now i see all these freeps crying about the flies sucking out power ?
news flash people.... try taking out the flies first , i know its hard to resist the temptation of blowing up a creep warg/ba/spiders squishes or whatever but try to take out the flies first to remove the problem.

You dont see us cry about the raven and its buffs eh ?
Change your priority and you might have different results

So lets say there are 4 defilers in the raid(maybe more) they each throw flies at your group. Those 4 flies drain the entire raids power in 10 seconds(might be less just throwing in a number). Each fly has 12k morale. Times 4 there is at least 48k worth of damage you need to kill those 4 flies in the 10 or so seconds you actually have power to use skills. Say a miracle happens and this plan succeeds, 30 seconds has passed and all of those flies are re-applied. Game over.

Originally Posted by Gell

So here`s a situation :

I tested out the LM Raven buffs with Anunakai the other day
Raven gave him 1315 Shadow mitigation + when active the raven gave another 30% shadow mitigation and a huge Azz evade buff..

just so your not confused or anything, the only buff the raven gives to players is tactical mitigation... the huge evade buff is a self buff that only applies to the raven, so trying to kill a raven while it has this buff up is possibly the worst thing you can do.. especially if all your skills deal shadow damage

and flies are BaS, while I agree that freeps have a ton of ridiculous abilities none of them come close to flies alone... i'd nerf flies and buff other skills to compensate ... like defiler debuffs and damage

Originally Posted by DaviLOTR

just so your not confused or anything, the only buff the raven gives to players is tactical mitigation... the huge evade buff is a self buff that only applies to the raven, so trying to kill a raven while it has this buff up is possibly the worst thing you can do.. especially if all your skills deal shadow damage

and flies are BaS, while I agree that freeps have a ton of ridiculous abilities none of them come close to flies alone... i'd nerf flies and buff other skills to compensate ... like defiler debuffs and damage

Well thanks for the update.
however i and the other group have no issues whatsoever with that buff to take down the raven, and it does seem to help while removing the shadow mit buff, the 5 or so wargs in the raid do tend to hit harder and it does help taking yoru group down.
Some in the raid suggested it wasnt the case and that we should keep pounding on Celebreana , however, ive tried that and it doesnt seem to work. As long as i take down the raven and it seems the group mitigation goes down and it feels like were actually hurting you guys i will keep doing so.
removing the raven that takes away 30% of our damage , thats a whole lot of DPS were missing out on especially with a raid that has a group of wargs.

It sucks that defilers have had two skills come out that clearly weren't tested properly - as they were R14 (?) skills before the store happened.

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

It sucks that defilers have had two skills come out that clearly weren't tested properly - as they were R14 (?) skills before the store happened.

Heres an idea, call me kooky. Kill the flies. 12k no mits, whats that .000000000002 seconds of freep dps, if you can get them to focus fire.

Originally Posted by Gell

Well thanks for the update.
however i and the other group have no issues whatsoever with that buff to take down the raven, and it does seem to help while removing the shadow mit buff, the 5 or so wargs in the raid do tend to hit harder and it does help taking yoru group down.
Some in the raid suggested it wasnt the case and that we should keep pounding on Celebreana , however, ive tried that and it doesnt seem to work. As long as i take down the raven and it seems the group mitigation goes down and it feels like were actually hurting you guys i will keep doing so.
removing the raven that takes away 30% of our damage , thats a whole lot of DPS were missing out on especially with a raid that has a group of wargs.

Um no, you focusing the raven probably actually contributes more to our survivability than taking away from it. While you guys are derping through a 100% evade debuff, we are healing back up. The raven does not take away 30% of your damage. 1300 tactical mit is like 4% Damage reduction for most of us, so yeah there's that I guess. The most that the raven does is shred fire mitigation, and that debuff is AOE and lasts for a minute, so even if you take it down it's already done it job.

The reason why Celeb is so hard to take down is because She/I are blowing cooldowns to keep her alive. But, uh yeah, the raven is really important... keep focusing it, that 4% mitigation really helps...

Originally Posted by TheBigMenace

Um no, you focusing the raven probably actually contributes more to our survivability than taking away from it. While you guys are derping through a 100% evade debuff, we are healing back up. The raven does not take away 30% of your damage. 1300 tactical mit is like 4% Damage reduction for most of us, so yeah there's that I guess. The most that the raven does is shred fire mitigation, and that debuff is AOE and lasts for a minute, so even if you take it down it's already done it job.

The reason why Celeb is so hard to take down is because She/I are blowing cooldowns to keep her alive. But, uh yeah, the raven is really important... keep focusing it, that 4% mitigation really helps...

I kept telling them in craid just all focus rk and use all cds to kill, when cappy pops bubble save cds and heal up than dps her again after bubble, eventually she will die, if cappy uses insta rez kill her right away as she rezzes, than kill cappy right away than lm, but no one wanted to listen to me in the craid =) btw gj guys on survivability, u guys just lack dps, unless there is shilow =P

Originally Posted by oninoakuma

Heres an idea, call me kooky. Kill the flies. 12k no mits, whats that .000000000002 seconds of freep dps, if you can get them to focus fire.

You're misunderstanding me. I'm saying it sucks for THEM that the skills aren't tested, and as a result, will likely be adjusted. The same happened to Blight, which was bugged when it went live.

At any rate, let's all just kill each others' pets now. The Raven is evil, kill it...

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

You're misunderstanding me. I'm saying it sucks for THEM that the skills aren't tested, and as a result, will likely be adjusted. The same happened to Blight, which was bugged when it went live.

I understand what you meant Jaiyne, but if the flies are so brutal agains a raid, you have 2 options, kill them or mova away from them.