Thread: Freeps wiped with 3 to 1 numbers

Good fights yesterday i had a group of 7 creeps that rolled the 25+ freeps in tr 4 times
and 2 times at ec. Well i think there was about 15 at ec but 7 of us did a good job.
Dunuf was leading them i think thats why it was fail
All the creeps in my group were rank 9+ and vets so this helped lots.

creeps are op

I love this kind of thread. I love the selective details, the bragging and the call outs. This thread has it all.

Some questions, because I'm genuinely interested...

Was TR blue? If it was, you guys rock, if it wasn't, meh.

Were you the ONLY creeps there? If you were, you guys rock, if you weren't, meh.

Were all of the freeps vets or moderately experienced outside of a zergball scenario? If they were, you guys rock, if not, meh.

You see I've once wiped a raid of 12 creeps solo, they were on the CG in a keep, I took down the healer quick, then the tank, then the cg pretty much did the rest. It was fun, but the circumstances were in my favour. Worth bragging about? Only if I need to compensate for something.

This other time, I was in a group of just me, and I wiped a creep raid of 24 in the open field. There were 6billion freeps there too at the time, but so far as you're concerned, I was solo, all the creeps died, I am a legend. Let me make a thread..... Oh wait, no, sorry, thought I was compensating for something again there.

Anyway cool thread, definitely +rep from me......

Originally Posted by pibob314

I love this kind of thread. I love the selective details, the bragging and the call outs. This thread has it all.

Some questions, because I'm genuinely interested...

Was TR blue? If it was, you guys rock, if it wasn't, meh.

Were you the ONLY creeps there? If you were, you guys rock, if you weren't, meh.

Were all of the freeps vets or moderately experienced outside of a zergball scenario? If they were, you guys rock, if not, meh.

You see I've once wiped a raid of 12 creeps solo, they were on the CG in a keep, I took down the healer quick, then the tank, then the cg pretty much did the rest. It was fun, but the circumstances were in my favour. Worth bragging about? Only if I need to compensate for something.

This other time, I was in a group of just me, and I wiped a creep raid of 24 in the open field. There were 6billion freeps there too at the time, but so far as you're concerned, I was solo, all the creeps died, I am a legend. Let me make a thread..... Oh wait, no, sorry, thought I was compensating for something again there.

Anyway cool thread, definitely +rep from me......

hahahahaahahahahahah thats why we all love u wulf =D

Originally Posted by pibob314

This other time, I was in a group of just me,

And this other time, at band camp....

I wasn't leading, nice try though.


And really, it's no surprise that creeps wipe freeps more often than not. Freeps rarely have power (Thank you flies) Are usually outnumbered and have to deal with 7 audacity creeps that don't have the drawbacks that the freeps have.

That and the creeps have the advantage in healing. 3-1 numbers don't really mean much if you have 3 defilers and 2 warleaders, no amount of freep DPS can punch through that.

Originally Posted by Tumgruk

Freeps rarely have power (Thank you flies)

Flies is a single target power debuff and even if quite potent, it take a while to totally drain a target out of power. I would estimate about 60 seconds for an average minstrel. Theres no way this skill can affect a whole raid, given the current amount of minstrel playing in the Moors.

Originally Posted by Tumgruk

Are usually outnumbered and have to deal with 7 audacity creeps that don't have the drawbacks that the freeps have.

This argument is irrelevent. Both side are outnumbered sometimes, its not something specific to freeps. As for Audacity, its a stat available to both side as well.

Originally Posted by Tumgruk

That and the creeps have the advantage in healing. 3-1 numbers don't really mean much if you have 3 defilers and 2 warleaders, no amount of freep DPS can punch through that.

This is possibly one of the most absurd argument ever made in those forums. A decent minstrel can outheal any defilerS hands down while a properly healing traited captain can outheal a WL.

I tested my maximum healing output a few week ago and posted the results in PvP section. I scored about 800-900 HPS (Heal Per Seconds) in optimum conditions (out of combat) while Wallet on his minstrel (and far from being top geared) scored 1400-1500 HPS, which is almost DOUBLE.

Hell, even a warden conviction can outheal me (proven fact).

Originally Posted by pibob314

I love this kind of thread. I love the selective details, the bragging and the call outs. This thread has it all.

Some questions, because I'm genuinely interested...

Was TR blue? If it was, you guys rock, if it wasn't, meh.

Were you the ONLY creeps there? If you were, you guys rock, if you weren't, meh.

Were all of the freeps vets or moderately experienced outside of a zergball scenario? If they were, you guys rock, if not, meh.

You see I've once wiped a raid of 12 creeps solo, they were on the CG in a keep, I took down the healer quick, then the tank, then the cg pretty much did the rest. It was fun, but the circumstances were in my favour. Worth bragging about? Only if I need to compensate for something.

This other time, I was in a group of just me, and I wiped a creep raid of 24 in the open field. There were 6billion freeps there too at the time, but so far as you're concerned, I was solo, all the creeps died, I am a legend. Let me make a thread..... Oh wait, no, sorry, thought I was compensating for something again there.

Anyway cool thread, definitely +rep from me......

+1

Now since that is out of the way someone was saying difference between mini/rk/ and def/warleader. Assuming of high rank on the creeps and since I played all 4 at end game in moors here is the ranking.
1. Mini
2. Rk (for the versatility)
3. Defiler
4. Warleader

By the way +1 more rep for wulfie (if I could). Heck even I could brag about my LM single handedly killing a full raid of creeps in TA as I have done that before. However, they only had one healer, it was back with full CC in effect, and not a darn one of them tried to hit me. Meaningful, not in the slightest. Fun? Fraking hell yeah!

Originally Posted by gleowine

+1

Now since that is out of the way someone was saying difference between mini/rk/ and def/warleader. Assuming of high rank on the creeps and since I played all 4 at end game in moors here is the ranking.
1. Mini
2. Rk (for the versatility)
3. Defiler
4. Warleader

By the way +1 more rep for wulfie (if I could). Heck even I could brag about my LM single handedly killing a full raid of creeps in TA as I have done that before. However, they only had one healer, it was back with full CC in effect, and not a darn one of them tried to hit me. Meaningful, not in the slightest. Fun? Fraking hell yeah!

1. Mini - 6-7k morale very squishy
2. Rk (for the versatility) - 6-7k morale more squishy than minie
3. Defiler - 15k+ morale lower heals than RK and minie hard to kill, also with more in a group can leave the oposite raid whitout power
4. Warleader - up to 20k morale very hard to kill plus he can buble the defilers

I know minies are OP , rk's can do some insane dmg , but they die in 3 seconds as well when they are primary target in raids , oposite to WL's and defilers
So 1 defiler alive is better than 3 dead minies

Originally Posted by Sharkyrra

1. Mini - 6-7k morale very squishy
2. Rk (for the versatility) - 6-7k morale more squishy than minie
3. Defiler - 15k+ morale lower heals than RK and minie hard to kill, also with more in a group can leave the oposite raid whitout power
4. Warleader - up to 20k morale very hard to kill plus he can buble the defilers

I know minies are OP , rk's can do some insane dmg , but they die in 3 seconds as well when they are primary target in raids , oposite to WL's and defilers
So 1 defiler alive is better than 3 dead minies

seen 1 rk outhealing craids dps on him self??

Originally Posted by Sharkyrra

1. Mini - 6-7k morale very squishy
2. Rk (for the versatility) - 6-7k morale more squishy than minie
3. Defiler - 15k+ morale lower heals than RK and minie hard to kill, also with more in a group can leave the oposite raid whitout power
4. Warleader - up to 20k morale very hard to kill plus he can buble the defilers

I know minies are OP , rk's can do some insane dmg , but they die in 3 seconds as well when they are primary target in raids , oposite to WL's and defilers
So 1 defiler alive is better than 3 dead minies

Minis and RKs traiting and/or gearing bad is not my problem. I have played every single one of those 4 classes at high rank and that is how they stand. That doesn't mean people will play them to their potential or gear them to be better in the moors. Many keep PvE stats and gear when they go to the moors and that doesn't mean a particular class is bad, just the person is bad at playing their class in the moors.

Rk's don't have to come close to dying in 3 secs, and the good ones who can play do not. In fact no Rk dies in 3 seconds, not in a 1 v 1 and not even in more lopsided fights unless it's a raid roll. If any RK is dying that fast they are simply not good as a RK.

Now I am not saying I dislike defilers or warleaders, they have their place and in some occasions are better suited for certain tasks. However, taken as a whole the defiler and warleader are still playing high school baseball against the RK who is a star rookie in the majors and the mini who is already starring in the majors.

Originally Posted by pibob314

I love this kind of thread. I love the selective details, the bragging and the call outs. This thread has it all.

Some questions, because I'm genuinely interested...

Was TR blue? If it was, you guys rock, if it wasn't, meh.

Were you the ONLY creeps there? If you were, you guys rock, if you weren't, meh.

Were all of the freeps vets or moderately experienced outside of a zergball scenario? If they were, you guys rock, if not, meh.

You see I've once wiped a raid of 12 creeps solo, they were on the CG in a keep, I took down the healer quick, then the tank, then the cg pretty much did the rest. It was fun, but the circumstances were in my favour. Worth bragging about? Only if I need to compensate for something.

This other time, I was in a group of just me, and I wiped a creep raid of 24 in the open field. There were 6billion freeps there too at the time, but so far as you're concerned, I was solo, all the creeps died, I am a legend. Let me make a thread..... Oh wait, no, sorry, thought I was compensating for something again there.

Anyway cool thread, definitely +rep from me......

Ahhh wulfhram my fav hunter on this server i think all hunters should play like you bro.
1= tr was red shame on us we should have took our 7 creeps and charged the 25+ freeps in the open.
2= No we were not the only creeps there but the only creeps doing anything.
3= Yes it was 90% vets and others so really keep should have fliped blue.
We even wiped then all in flag room with no npc's just the chaos of freeps was funny.