Thread: Anyone tested Element of Surprise in Shadow Stance?

I have two guys I know well who used DPS meters to test with and without the Element of Surprise trait while Shadow stanced and said there was no difference in DPS or frequency of crits. They haven't posted numbers, but has anyone else tested it out?

Because if it was indeed nerfed silently then I'll unslot it in favor of rallying howl.

It won't increase your hit strength, but it does increase your crit chance (I'm using it). In every engagement I have at least 25% crit hit with it usually being around 35%. This is due to the +20% crit chance from element of surprise.

Bottom line, it works and is well worth the slot.

everytime I duel with a warg he has >50% Critchance on his Sneak-Skill... (Bloody Maul, Sudden Maul and the third one (I always forget the name))

therefore I think that the traid works (but I don't think that it's correctly - the Burg trait with 5% Crit from stealth doesn't work for FA either)

Even if its working its only 20%

1 of 5 chance isnt a big deal

Burgs have 100% Devs

Champs have 100% Crits

spamming beastel claws criting almost every time is way better than a 1 time deal like a burg a champ dude do the math..

Originally Posted by haroldhnicholos

spamming beastel claws criting almost every time is way better than a 1 time deal like a burg a champ dude do the math..

Did the math

6 hits for 1K = 6K (Warg in Shadow spamming Claws)

1 hit for 6K= 6K (Champ ISB + Remorseless Strike)

The math tells me a 6K single strike > 6 1K strikes

Originally Posted by haroldhnicholos

spamming beastel claws criting almost every time is way better than a 1 time deal like a burg a champ dude do the math..

Then you consider that Freep AAs crit for what Creep attacks crit for. Wargs obviously don't out DPS Burgs or Champs.

Originally Posted by Melmadoc

show me this 6k Crit from a Champ or the 6k Dev from a Burg in a Duel against an Audacity7-Warg...

furthermore wargs have duble the life of a Burg or a Champ with enough Mastery for a 6k Crit-Only Remorseless...

Creeps having higher morale doesn't mean much. Putting aside the much larger Freep DPS to counter act this...Freeps have skills like Knives Out and Champ Bubbles/Sprint to make their lower morale less of a factor.

Originally Posted by Samus1111111

It won't increase your hit strength, but it does increase your crit chance (I'm using it). In every engagement I have at least 25% crit hit with it usually being around 35%. This is due to the +20% crit chance from element of surprise.

Bottom line, it works and is well worth the slot.

Let me quote my very first post (second post in the thread) since it has your answer (questioning if you read the entire thread :S)...

Yes I saw your response. I wanted to see if anyone else would respond with any testing they have done. I don't know how to use add-ons and test meters and the like and have no inclination to learn.

So far I've got three people telling me "no it doesn't work" and two tell me "yes it does".

Originally Posted by .44

Yes I saw your response. I wanted to see if anyone else would respond with any testing they have done. I don't know how to use add-ons and test meters and the like and have no inclination to learn.

So far I've got three people telling me "no it doesn't work" and two tell me "yes it does".

It most certainly works.

And being disrespectful to people who actually have an 'inclination to learn' isn't really doing you any favours.

I tested Element of Surprise with Shadow and it does appear to improve dps. From the tests I ran my dps with or without Element had a variation of 100-200 dps, but I didn't run many tests so it's largely up to chance what the exact dps numbers were. Only ran 2 fights without Element of Surprise since honestly it's a LOT harder without it traited.

I hope this answers your question. If you try to run many more tests you'll no doubt get more precise numbers but my purpose for testing was merely to see if Element was worthwhile, not to find the accurate numbers.

Originally Posted by MaroonDragoon

It most certainly works.

And being disrespectful to people who actually have an 'inclination to learn' isn't really doing you any favours.

1) The other folks in this thread (even those who were off topic) have been way more helpful than you are being. They are at least relating their experiences with the trait or tests that they have run.

2) I was disrespectful to nobody. I responded that I had seen the initial response which was simply "Yes it works" when I had others say "No it doesn't". I had hoped that someone who knew how to use combat analyzing add-ons (as I don't know how) had done a test of the trait and was simply asking that if they had that they share their results so we could all have a definitive answer that wasn't anecdotal.

3) Thanks to the people who actually stayed on topic and who shared their test results or at least their experiences with the trait.